Guild Wars 2

Would a website based Armory akin to what WoW has to offer via it’s Armory be a feasible, possible & wanted feature for guild wars 2?

It would be a lot of work without a doubt, hence the (?) at the end of ‘suggestion’, would this be something the community would want?

Hell no.
It would only lead to people being bullied for playing how they want.

No idea what that is, never having set (virtual) foot inside WoW. I assume you could provide a link?

a) how can you assume people here know what that actually is?
b) for suggestions, you should not use WoW references. Just describe what a feature does as many people will instantly dismiss your idea based on the fact it is from WoW.

DeanBB.4268:

No idea what that is, never having set (virtual) foot inside WoW. I assume you could provide a link?

I’m unsure if forum policy allows us to directly link other MMO features? So I’ll just describe it. It’s basically an inspect feature that is website based. You type in the character name and can look at his gear, his guild, achievements, pets, PvP rank, etc.

As for whether I want this…I’m not opposed to it. But currently the community is quite polarized over zerk/notzerk. That may be reason enough to not implement it.

Yeah, as Sorin said it’s basically a website-based inspect. I would personally rather not have this for GW2.

Algreg.3629:

a) how can you assume people here know what that actually is?
b) for suggestions, you should not use WoW references. Just describe what a feature does as many people will instantly dismiss your idea based on the fact it is from WoW.

It’s a fair assumption considering WoW is one of the largest MMOs in the market and this is an MMO game.

Not many people actually care if you reference other MMOs (even WoW), only people with something against it specifically or ex-players seem to make a fuss about it.

Sorry Joshua, but as someone already stated the idea of someone being able to look up your gear and build and critique you for not playing the zerker meta could be a terrible idea.

Hell no, then people would know I’m lying about having full beserker gear for instances. Until they realize that meta isn’t required I’m gonna continue to lie about it and keep wearing my preferred soldiers gears.

psizone.8437:

It’s a fair assumption considering WoW is one of the largest MMOs in the market and this is an MMO game.

not really, there are quite a lot of MMO players that never played WoW. And as that feature apparently didn´t exist all the time, chances are even people who used to play WoW have no idea what it is. And even if, you can reach those extra people if you just explain.

psizone.8437:

Not many people actually care if you reference other MMOs (even WoW), only people with something against it specifically or ex-players seem to make a fuss about it.

absolutely not, just check any gaming forum and see the torches and pitchforks raised when that reference comes up. You may want to try a forum search just here.

I think its maybe something like this :
http://u.eq2wire.com/soe/appearance_items/1292785668550

And yes .. EQ2 had that before WoW. And it never was a problem there, it was
just interesting to look up what stuff others were using.

/15 charr

I think the biggest concern here (as with an inspect tool) as others have already highlighted would be negativity, bullying, etc because of a persons choice of stats.

However, I think something akin could be implemented to show just the skin being used, and perhaps even the color of the gear tier, but leave the specific stats / runes / sigils / infusions off all together.

I wouldn’t be opposed to a more general tool, like what we see with Guild Wars Hall of Monuments, but would feel a little invasion of privacy if people could look through my Hero panel, so to speak.

What do you mean you don’t like my mini!

Algreg.3629:

not really, there are quite a lot of MMO players that never played WoW. And as that feature apparently didn´t exist all the time, chances are even people who used to play WoW have no idea what it is. And even if, you can reach those extra people if you just explain.

absolutely not, just check any gaming forum and see the torches and pitchforks raised when that reference comes up. You may want to try a forum search just here.

Of course there will be a few that haven’t played it, myself included, but a simple google search of what OP mentioned would have filled that gap in knowledge in seconds. Considering that game has 10 million-ish subscribers, odds are a fair few would have understood what the armory was.

Yeah, you’ll have the odd forum (or some people) that go on a riot whenever a rival game is mentioned, but it isn’t as much of an issue as it once was. Now, as I said, it’s not that much of an issue if someone casually mentioned another game to explain a similarity.

We shouldn’t be telling people not to mention something as trivial as this for fear that someone will somehow get offended. It’s much easier to just mention the game and get right to the point.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I think the biggest concern here (as with an inspect tool) as others have already highlighted would be negativity, bullying, etc because of a persons choice of stats.

However, I think something akin could be implemented to show just the skin being used, and perhaps even the color of the gear tier, but leave the specific stats / runes / sigils / infusions off all together.

http://gw2-fashion.com/
http://gw2style.com/

These sites fit your description, they’re fan based and completely optional so it’s a win/win situation on that end.

psizone.8437:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I think the biggest concern here (as with an inspect tool) as others have already highlighted would be negativity, bullying, etc because of a persons choice of stats.

However, I think something akin could be implemented to show just the skin being used, and perhaps even the color of the gear tier, but leave the specific stats / runes / sigils / infusions off all together.

http://gw2-fashion.com/
http://gw2style.com/

These sites fit your description, they’re fan based and completely optional so it’s a win/win situation on that end.

Not exactly what I was referring to. The OP wants something like WoW’s armory which is a real time (relatively) view of what a searched for character is wearing. Along with a whooooooole bunch of other stuff (achievements, crafting, etc). Which, I think something could be done, but like I said the concern would be with actually showing things like the trait spread, the skill bar, the gear stats. A lot of people don’t wan’t to share those specifics.

It could of course not show player based stats, gear worn or trait choices.
I merely used it as a way to track my characters/accounts progress through the game, through the content i had cleared and what i had been up too.

For example it could show things like (As an example) “Joshua acquired ‘Dusk’ Via a random drop/mystic forge.”

Algreg.3629:

a) how can you assume people here know what that actually is?
b) for suggestions, you should not use WoW references. Just describe what a feature does as many people will instantly dismiss your idea based on the fact it is from WoW.

A) That is why we have google, my friend.
B) That is not really my fault though if someone dismisses a reference i make to another MMO that is for some reason publicly shamed upon in any forum board not related to that game, it’s just a game.

Beldin.5498:

I think its maybe something like this :
http://u.eq2wire.com/soe/appearance_items/1292785668550

And yes .. EQ2 had that before WoW. And it never was a problem there, it was
just interesting to look up what stuff others were using.

EQ2U is another great example, it shows a lot more than just, what i’m wearing and what my trait setup is (aa’s in the case of eq2), which could also be utilized for EQ2.

Obviously things like quests wouldn’t really fit in, but it could show things like Events done by zone, Number of world boss kills, Most favourite event (Event most repeated by the player)

Algreg.3629:

as many people will instantly dismiss your idea based on the fact it is from WoW.

That’s their problem though, not OP’s. Don’t blame the OP for the short-sighted and close-minded people on this forum.

I agree though, the OP could be a bit more clear about what the armory is for those who haven’t played WoW.

While I vaguely know what the WoW armory is, OP could elaborate on how it would benefit this game. If someone hasn’t ever played WoW, asking for an armory doesn’t give enough information to evaluate his suggestion either pro or con as they don’t know what the armory does exactly or why he is suggesting it.

psizone.8437:

It’s a fair assumption considering WoW is one of the largest MMOs in the market and this is an MMO game.

I didn’t know what it was, and i’m fairly sure my 3 irl friends that play gw2 would not know what it was, based on none of us ever playing wow (in fact one of them has never played an mmo outside of gw2 for longer than a few hours)

that being said… I disagree with this suggestion. it just doesn’t sound like it would benefit the game in any way (perhaps if you provided examples of where it would benefit the game it would change my opinion)

heartless.6803:

Hell no, then people would know I’m lying about having full beserker gear for instances. Until they realize that meta isn’t required I’m gonna continue to lie about it and keep wearing my preferred soldiers gears.

While I have doubt about this system, posts like this want me to have the system more. I use the LFG every day to do dungeons, and I see the plenty of casual/anyone welcome to join groups. Why Not just join them? Why do you have to be a jerk? I’m sorry if someone was rude because you weren’t in zerker gear. Most people who prefer zerker are not “zerker is the only thing that works” – just that it’s optimal. You may feel that everyone is that way, but it’s typically just the complainers that are vocal.

Sounds kinda stalkerish to me. If someone wants to know what I’m wearing they can ask and if I feel like sharing I will. I don’t see any use for this except bullying or deriding other players I can’t think of any good reason to make that part of the GW2 community.

I don’t understand the people who are concerned about “their privacy” to be honest. I mean we are talking about armor stats in a videogame here, not the size of your genitals or your salary.

I’d love to see a GW2 armory. Not only will it be easier to show my builds to other people that way but it’s also a cool way to share your character’s looks with other people and non-GW2-players.

I’d say 100% no on this, how would this be used any different then the often discouraged inspect suggestion?

Something like this would be used to increase exclusive play style/gear choices not inclusive for all players.

Another game: Path of Exile also uses something similar if not the same as what’s described. But I too don’t see this needed for gw2 either. Nor would I want someone inspecting my gear/characters, would you? So, I’ll pass.

If someone truly wants to know what item I’m using on a specific character, they can ask me themselves. Otherwise no one wants their characters/account broadcasted publicly.

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

Would a website based Armory akin to what WoW has to offer via it’s Armory be a feasible, possible & wanted feature for guild wars 2?

It is an inspect feature – and gear inspect is a touchy subject that a significant part of community doesn’t want to see in this game.
Now, if it was limited to skins, the answer might be way more favorable.

Nah, Anet are all about love and friendship and wanna avoid stuff like inspecting armor, which often leads to an unhealthy lifestyle of elitism~

Also many here would appreciate you not using that taboo 3 letter word in your thread name and post. :O

Sorry but this is a rather meh suggestion and sounds more like a “I’m gonna look this person up to see if they’re wearing zerk twerk for this dungeon blah blah”. I’ve neither set foot in WoW only once for the 1 month thing agessss ago but this sounds very similar to AQWorlds where you can view everything a player has/equipped etc.. ehhh.

Zephyra.4709:

Sorry but this is a rather meh suggestion and sounds more like a “I’m gonna look this person up to see if they’re wearing zerk twerk for this dungeon blah blah”. I’ve neither set foot in WoW only once for the 1 month thing agessss ago but this sounds very similar to AQWorlds where you can view everything a player has/equipped etc.. ehhh.

I wonder how many people really care so much about what some kittens think
or who even wants to play with them.

Do you really care about people who think that APs are a way to judge player
skills .. or people who think a group with 4 warriors is better than everything
else .. or whatever else of kitten stuff those so called “speedrunners” think ?

Also in EQ2 there was a function to disable beeing viewed by others.
Of course normally that were only some very few elite raiders.

I really don’t see how people can say “i don’t want people to know what i’m wearing”

Why? I think people highly overestimate how many people would actually use this feature to see what you’re wearing.

They would have to Minimize the game, go to the guild wars 2 website, go to the armory, search your name, browse your armory and then guess whether the information the server has gathered is up to date or not.

I guarantee many of you join dungeon groups listed as “zerk run” where nobody asks you to link the armor you’re wearing in chat, that’s faster, they don’t do that, so why on earth would they go through the effort to check your armory profile?

And as already stated, it can be set to only show skins and dyes.

Doggie.3184:

Also many here would appreciate you not using that taboo 3 letter word in your thread name and post. :O

That’s their problem, if people get emotional or aggravated over me using another game as an example, then they have a problem. It’s just a game.

It’s a very good idea, like the armoury of Diablo 3. People in multiplayer games like to show what they got and what they achieved.
I like the idea of an online armory a lot, but it would probably require so much of Anets staff. It’s not an easy feature I imagine.

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

I really don’t see how people can say “i don’t want people to know what i’m wearing”

Why? I think people highly overestimate how many people would actually use this feature to see what you’re wearing.

They would have to Minimize the game, go to the guild wars 2 website, go to the armory, search your name, browse your armory and then guess whether the information the server has gathered is up to date or not.

Minimizing the game or using an alternate monitor would be a trivial time expenditure. I don’t really care if people know what I’m wearing or not, but I would prefer to avoid the inclusion of a tool that’s primary use would be to bully or force people to play certain ways.

Just a skin viewer I’m 100% fine with (though it makes more sense to just ask or use the wardrobe to look for yourself)

As far as showing what people have achieved, we already have cheevo points, how would being able to view someones armor/stats help you see what they have achieved?

Miku.6297:

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

I really don’t see how people can say “i don’t want people to know what i’m wearing”

Why? I think people highly overestimate how many people would actually use this feature to see what you’re wearing.

They would have to Minimize the game, go to the guild wars 2 website, go to the armory, search your name, browse your armory and then guess whether the information the server has gathered is up to date or not.

Minimizing the game or using an alternate monitor would be a trivial time expenditure. I don’t really care if people know what I’m wearing or not, but I would prefer to avoid the inclusion of a tool that’s primary use would be to bully or force people to play certain ways.

Just a skin viewer I’m 100% fine with (though it makes more sense to just ask or use the wardrobe to look for yourself)

As far as showing what people have achieved, we already have cheevo points, how would being able to view someones armor/stats help you see what they have achieved?

I can be misused to perhaps what you call bully. But on the other hand I dont care what people think about my chars and builds.
The armory in Diablo has provided me with more help than any bullying, I dont think anyone ever said well thats a crap bow, you cannot come.

aspirine.6852:

I can be misused to perhaps what you call bully. But on the other hand I dont care what people think about my chars and builds.
The armory in Diablo has provided me with more help than any bullying, I dont think anyone ever said well thats a crap bow, you cannot come.

It’s not really about if you care or you don’t care what other people think of your chars. It’s about the overall impact something like this would have on the community and the game.

It’s basicly a gear checker; so the normal use is to allow players to be more exclusive vs inclusive. Someone joins, you don’t like his gear so… kick. (The only advantage would be the ability to stop someone from joining a group requesting zerker and lieing. allthough the fact that people would even feel the need to lie is more proof of the reason this tool would be abused)

I don’t really think the comparing GW2 to D3 is an even field, the games are reasonably different.

Miku.6297:

It’s not really about if you care or you don’t care what other people think of your chars. It’s about the overall impact something like this would have on the community and the game.

It’s basicly a gear checker; so the normal use is to allow players to be more exclusive vs inclusive. Someone joins, you don’t like his gear so… kick. (The only advantage would be the ability to stop someone from joining a group requesting zerker and lieing. allthough the fact that people would even feel the need to lie is more proof of the reason this tool would be abused)

I don’t really think the comparing GW2 to D3 is an even field, the games are reasonably different.

I have to agree with Miku here. Sure, it would be nice to show off what you have, but you can do that already. This would be used as a gear check more often than not.

It’s not a gear checked unless you want to. It only gets updated when you logout, and even then it’s a snapshot. If you use an armory as a gear check, you are a complete idiot.

Nah dude, if you want to see what skin a player is using, ask him! It’s a MMO for Dwayna’s sake!

aspirine.6852:

It’s not a gear checked unless you want to. It only gets updated when you logout, and even then it’s a snapshot. If you use an armory as a gear check, you are a complete idiot.

the arguement that it’s not unless you want to doesn’t really work. Exe: Player A does not want to use it as a gear check, player B does… Player A joins player B’s group, player B checks his armory to make sure hes up to his “standards” = the system just got used as a gear check, even on someone who does not want it use it that way.

Please lets avoid slinging insults/name calling, it really doesn’t add anything positive to the discussion.

Sorel.4870:

Nah dude, if you want to see what skin a player is using, ask him! It’s a MMO for Dwayna’s sake!

This. Very much this.

aspirine.6852:

It’s not a gear checked unless you want to. It only gets updated when you logout, and even then it’s a snapshot. If you use an armory as a gear check, you are a complete idiot.

People will use it as such, and will go off whats seen in the armory. Sure they might be idiots, but that doesnt change the fact it will be used as such.

Hell no, then people can tell that i’m still running around in exotic armor

Arkinos.7245:

Hell no.
It would only lead to people being bullied for playing how they want.

Already happening anyway.

In fact, it’s far worse than it is in WoW, as in WoW the builds have now been made fairly equal, with each choice being a choice of equivalents; so, there are no choices that are considered really “wrong”, anymore.

Apart from, possibly, situationally – like barrage, in dungeons, pulling too many mobs at once.

This idea might make it even worse though, I guess, as ATM they have to assume and ask, rather than just looking.

Not that that stops them.

My answer to this problem would be to make the traits and skills work more like the talents and glyphs work, in WoW.

Yes, it may be slightly less “interesting” and “unique”, but it makes for a far less unpleasant group player experience.

Sorin.4310:

heartless.6803:

Hell no, then people would know I’m lying about having full beserker gear for instances. Until they realize that meta isn’t required I’m gonna continue to lie about it and keep wearing my preferred soldiers gears.

While I have doubt about this system, posts like this want me to have the system more. I use the LFG every day to do dungeons, and I see the plenty of casual/anyone welcome to join groups. Why Not just join them? Why do you have to be a jerk? I’m sorry if someone was rude because you weren’t in zerker gear. Most people who prefer zerker are not “zerker is the only thing that works” – just that it’s optimal. You may feel that everyone is that way, but it’s typically just the complainers that are vocal.

Most of the “everyone is welcome” groups are just training sessions for future zerker groups.

The leader normally questions everyone and “advises” them on builds and gear (whether they want to be advised, or not) and then forces them to play in the skip>stack>melee playstyle.

At least, I assume it is just a playstyle?

At this point, I don’t even know anymore, as they act like it is the only way anyone can possibly play.

Obviously, I know the main justification for why we stack all the time – although, I think the need to stack for buffs should be removed from the game, as it is an extremely boring and limiting design.

…and as for melee doing more damage than ranged, don’t get me started…

Tigaseye.2047:

This idea might make it even worse though, I guess, as ATM they have to assume and ask, rather than just looking.

It would definitely make the situation worse, with one quick click the players gear and build gets “quality” checked. This just enables elitism, with very few other benefits.

As far as builds being “wrong” or right, in GW2 PVE dungeoning isn’t what I would consider challenging. Most dungeons can be beat in most set ups. Just DPS DPS DPS makes it faster. Keep in mind comparing GW2 and WoWs dungeoning is far from an even basis (unless wow has changed a TON) GW 2 has no trinity so it’s mostly personal survival and DPS, meaning damage stats = faster clears 95% of the time.

I’ve done lots of dungeons, out of all my runs, I’ve only encountered a few pushy people giving people “advice”; as long as no wipes happen.

I totaly agree with removing the stacking strat, most dungeons could be broken down into character sized areas everyone stands to hit 1 and kill a boss.

Miku.6297:

I’ve done lots of dungeons, out of all my runs, I’ve only encountered a few pushy people giving people “advice”; as long as no wipes happen.

Well, I’ve only ever, knowingly, joined “everyone is welcome” type groups and they have, almost exclusively, been run by a would-be trainer leader who then dictates how the run is done.

One of them even stood in a corner, refusing to join in and chatting to his guild (probably about how noobish we were!), if anyone dared to play in their own way.

Of course, as a Ranger, who uses a bear pet (due to other pets dying in 2 secs) and favours a longbow (yeah, how dare I favour a bow as a Ranger!) I have probably had worse experiences than some other people, as there is a lot of Ranger hate, but still.

At this point, I have just given up doing any dungeons, at all, because at best they are boring and lacking in immersion (i.e. an almost permanent view of nothing but the hollow insides of other characters) and at worst they are depressing.

I could make my own groups, but I don’t know all the paths well enough to do that and don’t think I should have to do that, especially as the fundamental flaws lie within the game design itself.

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

Would a website based Armory akin to what WoW has to offer via it’s Armory be a feasible, possible & wanted feature for guild wars 2?

It would be a lot of work without a doubt, hence the (?) at the end of ‘suggestion’, would this be something the community would want?

I don’t want some website with other players gear. I want ingame inspect option.