[Suggestion] Crafting the Precursor
Did anyone promise precursers to be free?
On several you are better of selling the materials and buying from the TP anyway. You’ll end up with more gold.
It wasn’t meant to be a necessarily cheaper option. It was meant as an alternative to the existing methods.
Given that right now a lot of the new things are requiring the mats used for the precursor, the price may be higher than the long term cost. Eventually, the prices for crafted precursors may fall to be on par with current methods.
It’s an absolute failure as is. It should have been the cheaper method, where you invested time instead of gold (in opposition to buying it outright, which is costly but instantaneous), but Anet values the sanctity of existing precursor prices more than they do the happiness of the players.
On top of that, an exotic weapon shouldn’t require ascended mats to craft at all, much less the sheer amount required. I mean, most of the precursors take more wood and/or metal to craft than the Gift of Wood/Metal involved with actual legendaries, probably by at least an order of magnitude!
If it were to be the alternative method, it should be the cheaper method. Why consider an option that costs more gold and time than just selling the mats and buying it outright and still have gold to pocket? I was considering this method because of the random chance of getting the precursor through chests and such, but when you compare the gold cost to craft the item as opposed to just buying outright, you’re losing a lot of gold, and wasting a lot of time. It’s hardly an alternative method.
It’s an absolute failure as is. It should have been the cheaper method, where you invested time instead of gold (in opposition to buying it outright, which is costly but instantaneous), but Anet values the sanctity of existing precursor prices more than they do the happiness of the players.
On top of that, an exotic weapon shouldn’t require ascended mats to craft at all, much less the sheer amount required. I mean, most of the precursors take more wood and/or metal to craft than the Gift of Wood/Metal involved with actual legendaries, probably by at least an order of magnitude!
The problem with time as a currency is that different people go faster than others at things, so time is hard to put into things as a currency. The only time time is an effective currency is when it’s done through time gates, where you are prevented from progressing because you did it too soon in the past.
It’s a different method for those asking for a different means to get the precursor. ANet never claimed it would be cheaper or said that they planned for it to be cheaper.
We also don’t know where the prices of mats will settle in the long term when the demand isn’t as high. The prices of mats may fall down to where it is cheaper to craft than forge or buy outright.
If it were to be the alternative method, it should be the cheaper method. Why consider an option that costs more gold and time than just selling the mats and buying it outright and still have gold to pocket? I was considering this method because of the random chance of getting the precursor through chests and such, but when you compare the gold cost to craft the item as opposed to just buying outright, you’re losing a lot of gold, and wasting a lot of time. It’s hardly an alternative method.
I can’t lose any gold if I don’t buy most of the mats off of the trading post. I’m only wasting time if I end up not finishing the collection.
If it were to be the alternative method, it should be the cheaper method. Why consider an option that costs more gold and time than just selling the mats and buying it outright and still have gold to pocket? I was considering this method because of the random chance of getting the precursor through chests and such, but when you compare the gold cost to craft the item as opposed to just buying outright, you’re losing a lot of gold, and wasting a lot of time. It’s hardly an alternative method.
I can’t lose any gold if I don’t buy most of the mats off of the trading post. I’m only wasting time if I end up not finishing the collection.
You are losing gold when you don’t buy the mats, because if you were to sell the mats, you’d end up with more gold than the precursor is even worth. Why farm and waste the mats crafting something, when you could sell the mats get more gold, and buy the precursor with gold left-over?
As it stands with the prices now, it’s more cost-efficient to farm the mats and sell them, buy the precursor than it is to craft the precursor. Maybe in time it will be reversed, but as we are now, it’s a waste of time.
Because except a few over the top challenges the scavenger hunt for precursor collections is really fun.
If it were to be the alternative method, it should be the cheaper method. Why consider an option that costs more gold and time than just selling the mats and buying it outright and still have gold to pocket? I was considering this method because of the random chance of getting the precursor through chests and such, but when you compare the gold cost to craft the item as opposed to just buying outright, you’re losing a lot of gold, and wasting a lot of time. It’s hardly an alternative method.
I can’t lose any gold if I don’t buy most of the mats off of the trading post. I’m only wasting time if I end up not finishing the collection.
You are losing gold when you don’t buy the mats, because if you were to sell the mats, you’d end up with more gold than the precursor is even worth. Why farm and waste the mats crafting something, when you could sell the mats get more gold, and buy the precursor with gold left-over?
As it stands with the prices now, it’s more cost-efficient to farm the mats and sell them, buy the precursor than it is to craft the precursor. Maybe in time it will be reversed, but as we are now, it’s a waste of time.
Its not Anets fault, its the players fault who sell their precursors on the tp for so cheap and pay so much gold to circumvent the daily timegate on asc mats.
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If it were to be the alternative method, it should be the cheaper method. Why consider an option that costs more gold and time than just selling the mats and buying it outright and still have gold to pocket? I was considering this method because of the random chance of getting the precursor through chests and such, but when you compare the gold cost to craft the item as opposed to just buying outright, you’re losing a lot of gold, and wasting a lot of time. It’s hardly an alternative method.
I can’t lose any gold if I don’t buy most of the mats off of the trading post. I’m only wasting time if I end up not finishing the collection.
You are losing gold when you don’t buy the mats, because if you were to sell the mats, you’d end up with more gold than the precursor is even worth. Why farm and waste the mats crafting something, when you could sell the mats get more gold, and buy the precursor with gold left-over?
As it stands with the prices now, it’s more cost-efficient to farm the mats and sell them, buy the precursor than it is to craft the precursor. Maybe in time it will be reversed, but as we are now, it’s a waste of time.Its not Anets fault, its the players fault who sell their precursors on the tp for so cheap and pay so much gold to circumvent the daily timegate on asc mats.
This.
I’m to tired of these threads to go into the details of how demand for ascendede crafting materials, etc.etc., spikes in prices etc.etc., people undercutting each other to stupid degrees, etc.etc. might affect prices of precursor crafting.
Let’s leave it at: the precursor crafting mechanic provides a needed service to the game.
If you don’t feel like using it, then don’t. No one is forcing you to.
If it were to be the alternative method, it should be the cheaper method. Why consider an option that costs more gold and time than just selling the mats and buying it outright and still have gold to pocket? I was considering this method because of the random chance of getting the precursor through chests and such, but when you compare the gold cost to craft the item as opposed to just buying outright, you’re losing a lot of gold, and wasting a lot of time. It’s hardly an alternative method.
I can’t lose any gold if I don’t buy most of the mats off of the trading post. I’m only wasting time if I end up not finishing the collection.
You are losing gold when you don’t buy the mats, because if you were to sell the mats, you’d end up with more gold than the precursor is even worth. Why farm and waste the mats crafting something, when you could sell the mats get more gold, and buy the precursor with gold left-over?
As it stands with the prices now, it’s more cost-efficient to farm the mats and sell them, buy the precursor than it is to craft the precursor. Maybe in time it will be reversed, but as we are now, it’s a waste of time.Its not Anets fault, its the players fault who sell their precursors on the tp for so cheap and pay so much gold to circumvent the daily timegate on asc mats.
This.
I’m to tired of these threads to go into the details of how demand for ascendede crafting materials, etc.etc., spikes in prices etc.etc., people undercutting each other to stupid degrees, etc.etc. might affect prices of precursor crafting.
Let’s leave it at: the precursor crafting mechanic provides a needed service to the game.
If you don’t feel like using it, then don’t. No one is forcing you to.
I wont be using it as it is a useless service to the game. Even though it provides another way of acquiring a precursor, in the current economy of the game, it’s irrelevant. We all have our opinions and that’s fine, but regardless, facts are facts, and if you’re thinking logically, it’s pointless.
-But be my guest, go craft your precursor, waste your time, lose out on potential gold, makes no difference to me. I have already received the information I set out to obtain through our community. I appreciate all the feedback, I am just baffled and hope that crafting a precursor becomes more relevant as it is one of the features of the expansion I was looking forward to the most.
The problem with precursor crafting is that it’s a god kitten PiA to gather all the ascended materials and the second collection is just a nightmare. First collection was pretty cool for spark and the third one really felt good. I ended up buying most of what I needed instead of just waiting for the time gate.
Taking a look at the first collection for flameseeker prophecies and it seems like a lot of fun too.
Essentially, Anet should reduce the overall mats needed to craft the precursor, while making the seeing the world and completing content part more important and do away with everything related to time gating.
The overall idea is great, but as always with anet, implementation is kitten poor.
If it were to be the alternative method, it should be the cheaper method. Why consider an option that costs more gold and time than just selling the mats and buying it outright and still have gold to pocket? I was considering this method because of the random chance of getting the precursor through chests and such, but when you compare the gold cost to craft the item as opposed to just buying outright, you’re losing a lot of gold, and wasting a lot of time. It’s hardly an alternative method.
I can’t lose any gold if I don’t buy most of the mats off of the trading post. I’m only wasting time if I end up not finishing the collection.
You are losing gold when you don’t buy the mats, because if you were to sell the mats, you’d end up with more gold than the precursor is even worth. Why farm and waste the mats crafting something, when you could sell the mats get more gold, and buy the precursor with gold left-over?
As it stands with the prices now, it’s more cost-efficient to farm the mats and sell them, buy the precursor than it is to craft the precursor. Maybe in time it will be reversed, but as we are now, it’s a waste of time.Its not Anets fault, its the players fault who sell their precursors on the tp for so cheap and pay so much gold to circumvent the daily timegate on asc mats.
This.
I’m to tired of these threads to go into the details of how demand for ascendede crafting materials, etc.etc., spikes in prices etc.etc., people undercutting each other to stupid degrees, etc.etc. might affect prices of precursor crafting.
Let’s leave it at: the precursor crafting mechanic provides a needed service to the game.
If you don’t feel like using it, then don’t. No one is forcing you to.
I wont be using it as it is a useless service to the game. Even though it provides another way of acquiring a precursor, in the current economy of the game, it’s irrelevant. We all have our opinions and that’s fine, but regardless, facts are facts, and if you’re thinking logically, it’s pointless.
-But be my guest, go craft your precursor, waste your time, lose out on potential gold, makes no difference to me. I have already received the information I set out to obtain through our community. I appreciate all the feedback, I am just baffled and hope that crafting a precursor becomes more relevant as it is one of the features of the expansion I was looking forward to the most.
I will. Thank you. As have many others already, hence the price spikes right after HoT went live.
Only because you like playing the game 1-way does not mean every one has to enjoy playing it that way.
Also I would like for you to prove how precursor crafting is a useless service to the game? How else would people who do not want to rely on the mystic forge, and do not simply want to buy the precursor (for what ever reason) get their precursor?
There, not useless no matter how much you want to moan about prices.
The problem with precursor crafting is that it’s a god kitten PiA to gather all the ascended materials and the second collection is just a nightmare. First collection was pretty cool for spark and the third one really felt good. I ended up buying most of what I needed instead of just waiting for the time gate.
Essentially, Anet should reduce the overall mats needed to craft the precursor, while making the seeing the world and completing content part more important and do away with everything related to time gating.
The overall idea is great, but as always with anet, implementation is kitten poor.
I completely agree with you. I don’t mind the grind, but you if you’re not planning on buying everything, you better get started on your CD’s. It’s going to take over a month of dailies to get all the ascended matts needed. You could farm the gold for the precursor and buy it in that time.
If it were to be the alternative method, it should be the cheaper method. Why consider an option that costs more gold and time than just selling the mats and buying it outright and still have gold to pocket? I was considering this method because of the random chance of getting the precursor through chests and such, but when you compare the gold cost to craft the item as opposed to just buying outright, you’re losing a lot of gold, and wasting a lot of time. It’s hardly an alternative method.
I can’t lose any gold if I don’t buy most of the mats off of the trading post. I’m only wasting time if I end up not finishing the collection.
You are losing gold when you don’t buy the mats, because if you were to sell the mats, you’d end up with more gold than the precursor is even worth. Why farm and waste the mats crafting something, when you could sell the mats get more gold, and buy the precursor with gold left-over?
As it stands with the prices now, it’s more cost-efficient to farm the mats and sell them, buy the precursor than it is to craft the precursor. Maybe in time it will be reversed, but as we are now, it’s a waste of time.Its not Anets fault, its the players fault who sell their precursors on the tp for so cheap and pay so much gold to circumvent the daily timegate on asc mats.
This.
I’m to tired of these threads to go into the details of how demand for ascendede crafting materials, etc.etc., spikes in prices etc.etc., people undercutting each other to stupid degrees, etc.etc. might affect prices of precursor crafting.
Let’s leave it at: the precursor crafting mechanic provides a needed service to the game.
If you don’t feel like using it, then don’t. No one is forcing you to.
I wont be using it as it is a useless service to the game. Even though it provides another way of acquiring a precursor, in the current economy of the game, it’s irrelevant. We all have our opinions and that’s fine, but regardless, facts are facts, and if you’re thinking logically, it’s pointless.
-But be my guest, go craft your precursor, waste your time, lose out on potential gold, makes no difference to me. I have already received the information I set out to obtain through our community. I appreciate all the feedback, I am just baffled and hope that crafting a precursor becomes more relevant as it is one of the features of the expansion I was looking forward to the most.I will. Thank you. As have many others already, hence the price spikes right after HoT went live.
Only because you like playing the game 1-way does not mean every one has to enjoy playing it that way.
Also I would like for you to prove how precursor crafting is a useless service to the game? How else would people who do not want to rely on the mystic forge, and do not simply want to buy the precursor (for what ever reason) get their precursor?
There, not useless no matter how much you want to moan about prices.
It’s useless because farming mats-selling mats-buying precursor is more efficient and effective than crafting the precursor. Glad you wasted your time. Congratulations.
You should probably scratch your brain and do things more efficiently, you’ll see results and wont waste your time. Time is the one thing you can’t get back.
If it were to be the alternative method, it should be the cheaper method. Why consider an option that costs more gold and time than just selling the mats and buying it outright and still have gold to pocket? I was considering this method because of the random chance of getting the precursor through chests and such, but when you compare the gold cost to craft the item as opposed to just buying outright, you’re losing a lot of gold, and wasting a lot of time. It’s hardly an alternative method.
I can’t lose any gold if I don’t buy most of the mats off of the trading post. I’m only wasting time if I end up not finishing the collection.
You are losing gold when you don’t buy the mats, because if you were to sell the mats, you’d end up with more gold than the precursor is even worth. Why farm and waste the mats crafting something, when you could sell the mats get more gold, and buy the precursor with gold left-over?
As it stands with the prices now, it’s more cost-efficient to farm the mats and sell them, buy the precursor than it is to craft the precursor. Maybe in time it will be reversed, but as we are now, it’s a waste of time.Its not Anets fault, its the players fault who sell their precursors on the tp for so cheap and pay so much gold to circumvent the daily timegate on asc mats.
This.
I’m to tired of these threads to go into the details of how demand for ascendede crafting materials, etc.etc., spikes in prices etc.etc., people undercutting each other to stupid degrees, etc.etc. might affect prices of precursor crafting.
Let’s leave it at: the precursor crafting mechanic provides a needed service to the game.
If you don’t feel like using it, then don’t. No one is forcing you to.
I wont be using it as it is a useless service to the game. Even though it provides another way of acquiring a precursor, in the current economy of the game, it’s irrelevant. We all have our opinions and that’s fine, but regardless, facts are facts, and if you’re thinking logically, it’s pointless.
-But be my guest, go craft your precursor, waste your time, lose out on potential gold, makes no difference to me. I have already received the information I set out to obtain through our community. I appreciate all the feedback, I am just baffled and hope that crafting a precursor becomes more relevant as it is one of the features of the expansion I was looking forward to the most.I will. Thank you. As have many others already, hence the price spikes right after HoT went live.
Only because you like playing the game 1-way does not mean every one has to enjoy playing it that way.
Also I would like for you to prove how precursor crafting is a useless service to the game? How else would people who do not want to rely on the mystic forge, and do not simply want to buy the precursor (for what ever reason) get their precursor?
There, not useless no matter how much you want to moan about prices.
It’s useless because farming mats-selling mats-buying precursor is more efficient and effective than crafting the precursor. Glad you wasted your time. Congratulations.
You should probably scratch your brain and do things more efficiently, you’ll see results and wont waste your time. Time is the one thing you can’t get back.
Great, now if gaming was all about pure efficiency instead of fun.
All you have proven is that you do not understand the difference.
I’ll say it again, precursor crafting has a purpose. You not agreeing to that purpose or wanting to use the possibilities precursor crafting offers does not void it’s use.
It simply means that you have different priorities. The fact that other players have and are enjoying the crafting is reason enough for it to be useful.
If it were to be the alternative method, it should be the cheaper method. Why consider an option that costs more gold and time than just selling the mats and buying it outright and still have gold to pocket? I was considering this method because of the random chance of getting the precursor through chests and such, but when you compare the gold cost to craft the item as opposed to just buying outright, you’re losing a lot of gold, and wasting a lot of time. It’s hardly an alternative method.
I can’t lose any gold if I don’t buy most of the mats off of the trading post. I’m only wasting time if I end up not finishing the collection.
You are losing gold when you don’t buy the mats, because if you were to sell the mats, you’d end up with more gold than the precursor is even worth. Why farm and waste the mats crafting something, when you could sell the mats get more gold, and buy the precursor with gold left-over?
As it stands with the prices now, it’s more cost-efficient to farm the mats and sell them, buy the precursor than it is to craft the precursor. Maybe in time it will be reversed, but as we are now, it’s a waste of time.Its not Anets fault, its the players fault who sell their precursors on the tp for so cheap and pay so much gold to circumvent the daily timegate on asc mats.
This.
I’m to tired of these threads to go into the details of how demand for ascendede crafting materials, etc.etc., spikes in prices etc.etc., people undercutting each other to stupid degrees, etc.etc. might affect prices of precursor crafting.
Let’s leave it at: the precursor crafting mechanic provides a needed service to the game.
If you don’t feel like using it, then don’t. No one is forcing you to.
I wont be using it as it is a useless service to the game. Even though it provides another way of acquiring a precursor, in the current economy of the game, it’s irrelevant. We all have our opinions and that’s fine, but regardless, facts are facts, and if you’re thinking logically, it’s pointless.
-But be my guest, go craft your precursor, waste your time, lose out on potential gold, makes no difference to me. I have already received the information I set out to obtain through our community. I appreciate all the feedback, I am just baffled and hope that crafting a precursor becomes more relevant as it is one of the features of the expansion I was looking forward to the most.I will. Thank you. As have many others already, hence the price spikes right after HoT went live.
Only because you like playing the game 1-way does not mean every one has to enjoy playing it that way.
Also I would like for you to prove how precursor crafting is a useless service to the game? How else would people who do not want to rely on the mystic forge, and do not simply want to buy the precursor (for what ever reason) get their precursor?
There, not useless no matter how much you want to moan about prices.
It’s useless because farming mats-selling mats-buying precursor is more efficient and effective than crafting the precursor. Glad you wasted your time. Congratulations.
You should probably scratch your brain and do things more efficiently, you’ll see results and wont waste your time. Time is the one thing you can’t get back.
Great, now if gaming was all about pure efficiency instead of fun.
All you have proven is that you do not understand the difference.
I’ll say it again, precursor crafting has a purpose. You not agreeing to that purpose or wanting to use the possibilities precursor crafting offers does not void it’s use.
It simply means that you have different priorities. The fact that other players have and are enjoying the crafting is reason enough for it to be useful.
Has a purpose, yes. Is it worth doing? no.
I’m glad people enjoy doing it, I was hoping for it to be more than what it was.
I wont partake in it because I don’t want to waste time/gold. When the economy is already screwy, I’d rather not waste where I can save. I have fun playing the game, I had fun doing the collection part of the precursor crafting, I enjoy the fact that you have to craft things and turn it in, on the tier 2 part. But alas, the actual crafting part I’m not partial to. And that’s where I say that I will purchase the precursor, I’ll probably still finish the crafting, but I’ll have my legendary long before the crafting process is finished.
Has a purpose, yes. Is it worth doing? no.
Subjective opinion.
Is it the most cost efficient method? Currently no, true.
I’m glad people enjoy doing it, I was hoping for it to be more than what it was.
I wont partake in it because I don’t want to waste time/gold.
Great, how good that it’s not mandatory (for the old precursors). The new ones you
won’t get around using the crafting system.
When the economy is already screwy, I’d rather not waste where I can save.
Yes, the economy is very jumpy at the moment. Dear god, what will we do if prices ever drop. Good advice on being careful though. Deflation is already hitting some of the high value items. Most legendarys are on downward trends value wise.
If it wasnt worth doing….why do you then continue to do it?
People wanted a system where their progress was measurable instead of counting their gold until the point where they could buy the precursor. It wasn’t suppose to be a system where you pay 1 copper to get a legendary – the system as it is already has precursor prices decreasing.
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If it wasnt worth doing….why do you then continue to do it?
If you could read, that would be beneficial. Originally what I posted I reached the tier 2 part of the crafting process when I realized how much the matts were priced at in comparison to the overall cost of the precursor itself. Thus why I quit and made this forum so I could pick up more information. As it is, I’m going to purchase my precursor, then finish my legendary (which is already a time consuming task in itself, god forbid crafting the precursor into that process). Once finished with the legendary (doing the daily CD’s on ascended every day) I’ll finish up the process of crafting a precursor, not for the legendary I’m working on now, but for my 8th legendary. It’s not worth doing, if you’re considering getting a legendary and want to save yourself a lot of time and gold. I will do it because I did enjoy the process of doing it (other than the price comparisons) and will work it into another legendary.
People wanted a system where their progress was measurable instead of counting their gold until the point where they could buy the precursor. It wasn’t suppose to be a system where you pay 1 copper to get a legendary – the system as it is already has precursor prices decreasing.
I’m not claiming I want to pay 1 copper for a legendary, because as you don’t even know, the legendary process itself (without considering the precursor) is already a time consuming and, can be, an expensive task if you choose to go down that road. So your claim to “paying a copper” is just silly. Second of all, I’d rather do all the collection parts of the precursor crafting, and do the crafting itself, but minus a lot of the ascended matts required, as that is where the value even comes in. Ascended matts take days to accumulate especially when you need 30+ (which is over a month, if you can do math) for the first two stages of the precursor crafting alone. And if you wish to skip the time gate, then well, you should just purchase the precursor itself and not even worry about crafting the precursor.
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If it were to be the alternative method, it should be the cheaper method. Why consider an option that costs more gold and time than just selling the mats and buying it outright and still have gold to pocket? I was considering this method because of the random chance of getting the precursor through chests and such, but when you compare the gold cost to craft the item as opposed to just buying outright, you’re losing a lot of gold, and wasting a lot of time. It’s hardly an alternative method.
I can’t lose any gold if I don’t buy most of the mats off of the trading post. I’m only wasting time if I end up not finishing the collection.
You are losing gold when you don’t buy the mats, because if you were to sell the mats, you’d end up with more gold than the precursor is even worth. Why farm and waste the mats crafting something, when you could sell the mats get more gold, and buy the precursor with gold left-over?
As it stands with the prices now, it’s more cost-efficient to farm the mats and sell them, buy the precursor than it is to craft the precursor. Maybe in time it will be reversed, but as we are now, it’s a waste of time.
Because I don’t care about being as efficient as possible. My fun isn’t derived by achieving my goal in the fastest, cheapest way possible. Yours might be and that’s just fine. But mine isn’t and it’s obviously not for others either. Learn to accept that other players get their fun in different ways.
And I’m not losing gold. I can’t lose gold I never owned. I get that there’s an opportunity cost between using mats I gather and selling mats I gather. And guess what? I’ve decided that I’m ok with giving up the gold I could get from selling the mats. I’m not ignorant of how economics work in this game. I knew it was going to be expensive and that while demand for the mats were high due to precursor, guild halls, people making new gear for their new characters, it was definitely going to cost more (either in actuality or potentially depending on how mats were acquired) to craft the precursor than actually buy it.
And like I said before, it’s only a waste of time if I stop the collection. I will add that it’s also a wast of time if you aren’t having fun in the process. By the way, so far, I’ve been having fun on the process.