Guild Wars 2

With this Suggestion are meant the Torch, the Shield, the Focus and the Warhorn.
Weapons, which currently can be used only as offhand weapon in the right hand.
Its a huge weapon skill design flaw, to make these weapons only useable as offhand weapons.
These 4 weapons should be also useable for all classes, which ckittene these weapons as a mainhand weapon, so that you can deal also with these weapons some serious damage to get easier with them the killing blows.
Getting fir the Weapon master Achievement of these 4 weapons is due to this skill design discrepancy a real pain in the kitten and it should be done somethign about this.
Yes, changign this bad situation would mean to implement a few new weapon skills, but that effort should it be really worth it so that the overall game makes more fun and there then beign also a bigger chance, that those weapons getting more used also by players. Here are some Skills Suggestions for how you could make those 4 weapons more interesting for the classes, which ckittene those 4 weapons.

Lets start with the Shield

Warrior

AA
1) Tackle > Shield Uppercut > Body Slam
Hit your foe with a fast Tackle of your Shield, followed by an Uppercut to cause Bleeding ending in a poweful leaping Body Slam holding your Shield as protection in front of you, causing the foe to get dazed for a second.

2) Shielderang
Throw your Shield like a boomerang, hitting all foes in line of it and also in the line of it, when it returns to you. Causes with each hit vulnerability. Range: 700

3) Backhand Bash
Turn your upper body quickly aroud by 90° to hit all targets in that angle in frotn of you and to knock back a target with the Shield Bash that stands behind you.

Guardian

AA
1) Reflector Strike
Attack your foe with the shield and if you receive in that tiem self damage, a part of the received damage will be dealt extra to the foe that you currently attack.

2) Radiant Shield
Reflect the Light with your Shield to create a Ray of Light to attack with it your foes, causes Blinding. Range 1200

3) Valiant Defender
Block attacks and get healed whenever you block an attack with this Skill and gain a random Boon

Engineer

AA
1) Rusty Bash
Hit your foe with your shield, causing randomous conditions among poison, bleeding, weakness or torment.

2) Barrier Device
Activate a Barrier Field Turret that holds only for a few seconds and automatically exlodes after its duration is over. Using this Skill causes also your Utility Skill Turrets to receive Protection in that time. In the time that Barrier Field is up, enemies can’t enter that Barrier Field, but you alos can’t leave it. The Barrier Field will absorb Projectiles, but not Ground Target Skills that damage from the ground, like Marks for example.

3) Explosive Bash
You rush towards your fow with some dynamite on the frotn of your Shield, lettign it explode on touch with your foe, cause you to knock your target back and cause at the spot of collision an AoE Explosion that causes burning.

There is a reason that it is not done and that is because some weapons are not designed to be used in the primary hand – foci, shields, and warhorns for example.

Also,
how would a warrior wielding two shields look like?
That’s not really “historical correct” (even though magic isn’t either).

Thats nonsense and you know it.
There’s no reason not to add through this change some new build options for the classes that ckittene these 4 weapons.

If they add now every now and then some new Utility Skills, or just make the Offhand Weapons also useable for Main Hand makes no difference at all.
Both ways would improve the Build Diversity of GW2 and thats everything, what matters and not such thought out nonsense “design rules” saying that weapon X must be used only as offhand – thats plain just childish thinking …

If I can wield a Torch in a left hand, then I can wield it also with my right hand – so plain simple can reasoning be and its just Anets game design, that the left hand is used for Main Hand Skills and the right hand for offhand skills.

Theres nothing telling about it, that Shields, Torches, Focus and Warhorns must be used only as Support Weapon, only because you maybe have not the creativity thats lacking here, to think about skills, how those weapons could also be used as an active Main Hand Weapon perhaps, which is no reason at all to be against improving Build Diversity for all Classes.

This falls also under the category of – let everyone play how they want.
If I would like to play a Warrior/Guardian/Engineer for example rather with an offensive stylized Shield Gameplay, then this should be just realistically possible.
We are talking here about 1 hand weapons and my character should be free to decide, in which hand he uses which weapon.

This childish reason of yours is like saying, everyone should use fork and knife only with the fork in the left hand and the knife in the right hand, because its thought so to use them that way (by design)
But there are also righthanded forks and lefthanded knifes, which you ckittene the other way around for the people, which need it that way or are somehow used it that way to make usage of these tools in that way whyever

@ Lana:
You answer your own question by yourself, even its historically not used to see that, we play still a fantasy game, with magic spells, so not everything in this game must be 100% historically correct.
But look at this picture
http://i.stack.imgur.com/og176.jpg

You may also look at this:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/27107-Can-the-Devs-allow-Dual-Wielding-Shields

Actually there is a reason why in the past, lefthanded people where forced to become righthanded. If you have a lefthanded soldier who hold his sword in left hand and shield in right hand, he can’t fight with a righthanded soldier, because it’s sword versus sword and shield versus shield. That’s why everyone has to hold his sword in righthand, and shield in lefthand.
I can understand your concern about achievment points, but maybe it’s something like Dolyak slayer in WwW, we’re not supposed to have it now, it’s a long term goal….

Edit: Torch in main hand could be very cool for Ele. It could give an Indiana Jones style to any medium-weight class, and engineers really need new weapons.

Great idea i hope you can balans it !!! right now pvp team cant balance this game and they relase only buffs and nerfs , lets add more skills to help them !! double warhorn warriors incoming !!

Gettign the achievements just a slightly more comfortable is just only a nice side effect for me by making that suggestion.
The main reason why I suggest this here is still because I’d like to see these weapons also having a more offensive style of gameplay, adding with this a bit more build diversity (some new skills)

The WvW Achievements are a completely different topic, those achievements were already massively flawed by their whole design from the begin on of this game, because the designer who was responsible for those achievements obviously never has made the math with his proposed numbers for the achievenents to see, how flawed those achievements all are and are in dire need of gettign some 0’s erased or the game gettign improved to fasted up somehow the point gain towards those achievements, so that we can reach the max ranks quicker and not first in like 15+ years or longer if we’d do something in the game in that time for 24/7 >.<

PS: and oh please, don’t derail this thread please into a silly game balance discussion, thats not the topic here, nor our job to think about in the first place.

Orpheal.8263:

With this Suggestion are meant the Torch, the Shield, the Focus and the Warhorn.

There is a reason all of those are designated “off-hand” items: because they aren’t even really weapons. At least shield (and torch somewhat) makes sense to carry into battle. Focus and warhorn already take some suspension of disbelief as it is. I guess focus maybe could work because it’s basically just a conduit for magic (as much as sceptre or staff are, anyway). Warhorn, though? Really? No one should be dual-wielding warhorns — you are gearing up for warfare, not auditioning for a marching band.
Each of these only make sense when paired with an actual striking weapon that can conceivably deal damage. As a primary “weapon” they are just nonsense.

Orpheal.8263:

Its a huge weapon skill design flaw, to make these weapons only useable as offhand weapons.

You have just asserted this, without backing it up. I don’t see how this is a flaw at all, let alone a “huge” one.

Orpheal.8263:

These 4 weapons should be also useable for all classes

What? WHY? This is a non sequitur that does not follow from your original topic. Why do all professions need a warhorn? Again, you are just making assertions without backing it up.

Orpheal.8263:

so that you can deal also with these weapons some serious damage to get easier with them the killing blows.

No one in their right mind should be wielding two shields or two musical instruments with the intention of dealing “some serious damage.”
The achievement from killing blows is actually the only substantial point you have raised in defense of your idea, but it is trivial at best. Why should anyone be in a rush to rack up killing blows with a shield? ArenaNet shouldn’t be designing new weapon functionality and skills around this silly achievement.

Orpheal.8263:

Yes, changign this bad situation would mean to implement a few new weapon skills

Lol, this is not a “bad situation” at all. You are really blowing this out of proportion.

I would love to see some weapons become usable by more professions, so we can get more variety of skills, but forcing a warhorn into everyone’s main hand is not a good way to do it.

Warhorn: Blowing into it until the enemy dies of annoyance.

The only weapon I want to complain about is shield. (Focus is annoying too)

Warhorn is one of the easiest weapon to train.
Torch is ok as well.

For what reason I’ll let you guys to figure out yourself.

@ Fyre

They are weapons, you wield them in combat and everythign that you wield in combat can be seen as a weapon, otherwise they be called “Offhand Tools”, but in the end, each weapon is just a “tool”, a tool to kill somebody, regardless how you see it.

You say that they are as primary weapon nonsense, because you just lack in the creativery to think out skills for them, you just aren’t able to imagine, how these weapons could work as primary weapons, thats all.

Focus is total simple, because its anyway just a magical weapon, thats used by the scholar classes Elementalist, Necromancer and Mesmer and the magical soldier class, the Guardian, their skills are all just based only on magic spells.
its together with the shield the absolute most simplest weapon to give them also weapon skills for the main hand.

Torch requires just a little bit creativity to just come up with unique skills that aren’t too similar and Warhorn is the only creativity challenge, but in a game thats full of magic spells and special skills, this shouldn’t be of such a big problem.

And I didn’t made an assertion, I just said my opinion there and I back it up, if you want to see it that way with the reason of realism, that a one handed item simply can be wielded in any hand that you want, Its totally ridiculous to make there a limitation and just makes no sense at all. If I wield my torch now with my left or my right hand, is total up to me and in regard of which coice i made, it should change my weapon skills of the Torch to either be of more offensive, or more supportive type in that case

Shouldn’t be so hard to understand that it belongs to realism to be able to wield a 1handed weapon in any hand that you want.

You next quote from me is a missing words-typo, thats why it seems to look so out of context and topic to you.
That would have been the correct sentence:

These 4 weapons should be also useable as Main Hand Weapons for all classes, that can make use of them

I think those parts got somehow lost without me noticing it, when I formatted my text.

I’ll come up with some easy next examples for the Focus in the next posting.

PS: Has anyone of you at all ever thought about it, that Anet could also simply lock those weapons out from being dual wielded, if you decide to use them as Main hand Weapon?? I guess not, nobody here has thought about that easy solution for just 1 Cent that when you main hand a shield, that you couldn’t use it at the same tiem for Offhand and vice versa, if thats so much of a problem for many…

My Main Goal is just gettign those weapons as main hand weapon, my suggesstion is not really about dual wielding those weapons, even if it would be just a side effect from my suggestion. So Id personally have no problems with it, if anet would lock those weapons out from being able to dual wielded.
I want just only the freedom to decide, if i use those weapons with my main or my offhand and the improvement of build diversity that comes from that..

Dual-Shield .. really ? All you could do with that is maybe play a roman turtle

Focus

Necromancer

AA
1) Gaze of Contempt
Deals Damage and removes a boon, if the target has more than 2 boons

2) Chillblains
Deals Damage to a foe and causes Torment and Chill

3) Demonic Flesh
Creates a Demon Flesh Armor around you that temporarely increased your Vitality and causes foes that attack you to suffer on Poison. While this Skill works, theres a chance for you to summon a Flesh Reaver when being hit

Mesmer

AA
1) Fragility
Deals damage and causes vulnerability.
Foes that have been attacked with Fragility, will receive within the next 3 seconds more Shatter Damage from Shatter Skills

2) Aneurysm
Deals damage, causes Bleedings and lets the foe lose 50% Endurance

3) Ignorance
A Skill that temporarely deactivates effects of Bleeding, Poison, Torment and Burning.
Are any of those conditions still active on you, when Ignorance ends, those conditions will be put onto your nearest foe then and the foe receives increased damage per every condition that gets moved to that foe by this skill.

Guardian

AA
1) Spell Breaker
Deals line of sight damage, extra damage versus all kinds of adds like minions, pets, summons, players that use at the moment conjured weapons. Removes Fear, Weakness, Burning, Torment or Blindness from allies, that stood in its line of sight if that ally suffered from one of these conditions at that moment.

2) Retribution
An AoE Skill of Whirling Lights that reflect back projectile attacks and all nearby allies in near receive Retaliation

3) Heavens Delight
Create an AoE of shining light rays that deals damage over time. Allies get cured from conditions if they stand in that AoE over time periods

Elementalist

Fire

AA
1) Inferno
Create at the Ground Target a little AoE Flame Pillar that deals damage over time at that spot for 3 seconds

2) Bed of Coals
Create a Fire AoE, that causes Vulnerability and Torment, if foes run over it, with the torment becoming stronger, if they keep on standing on that place for longer

3) Mind Burn
Deals damage and lets foes burn. Deals extra damage if you have lesser Endurance, than your foe and causes longer lasting Burns

Wind

AA
1) Lightning Orb
Shoots out a Ball of Lightning that damages foes over time in a line of sight, while it moves forward slowly. Deals extra damage to every water attuned foes.

2) Shell Shock
Creates a lightnign field that creates damage over time in it and causes vulnerability with a chance to knock foes also down.

3) Mind Shock
Deals damage and dazes foes. Deals increased damage and longer dazes if you have more health than your foe.

Water

AA
1) Swirling Water
Create an Aura of Water around you that deals damage over time at all nearby foes that stand direct at you. Blocks Projectiles if you use this at the moment where the projectile would hit you.

2) Blurred Vision
Damages foes in the AoE and causes Weakness

3) Mind Freeze
Deals Damage to foes and chills them, if you have at that moment more Endurance than your foe, plus dealing extra damage, if you have more Endurance.

Earth

AA
1) Crystal Wave
Shout out multiple crystals in a fan shape, but removes conditions from foes, dealing significant extra damage for every removed condition

2) Ash Blast
Creates a big dust cloud that blocks projectiles and blinds foes that run into it, causing also Poison from the ash that you inhale in that moment

3) Mind Petrification
Deals damage and Petrificates foes. Deals increased damage and petrificates longer, if you have lesser health than your foe.

PS: as you can see, basically all nice skills from GW1 converted over to GW2

To whoever think dual shield is not possible and viable, check this.

Aomine.5012:

To whoever think dual shield is not possible and viable, check this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRPQFHEruyE

One of the most boring videos i’ve ever seen that only proves that it
1. looks totally stupid
2. makes no damage
so no .. its not really viable

Beldin.5498:

Aomine.5012:

To whoever think dual shield is not possible and viable, check this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRPQFHEruyE

One of the most boring videos i’ve ever seen that only proves that it
1. looks totally stupid
2. makes no damage
so no .. its not really viable

+1

Additionally, shields in GW2 are worn on the back, where would you put the other shileld? On the hip? They are too big for that.

i am more worried about no 4th and 5th skill for 1 handed weapons, would love to have this made possible:
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110509054613/gauntlet/images/4/4d/Gauntlet07_Art_Valkyrie_1_Lighter.jpg

sorudo.9054:

i am more worried about no 4th and 5th skill for 1 handed weapons, would love to have this made possible:
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110509054613/gauntlet/images/4/4d/Gauntlet07_Art_Valkyrie_1_Lighter.jpg

Dual wield that weapon .. thats how it works.

Beldin.5498:

sorudo.9054:

i am more worried about no 4th and 5th skill for 1 handed weapons, would love to have this made possible:
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110509054613/gauntlet/images/4/4d/Gauntlet07_Art_Valkyrie_1_Lighter.jpg

Dual wield that weapon .. thats how it works.

i facepalmed…..really, ever heard of role play ever in your life?
maybe you take all the weapons you can think of but there are ppl out there who want their character to have the weapon they need and nothing extra, you also need to keep in mind that not all weapons can be dual wielded by every single profession.

Lana Del Rey.1873:

Additionally, shields in GW2 are worn on the back, where would you put the other shileld? On the hip? They are too big for that.

On my mount.

Just kidding.

Beldin.5498:

Dual-Shield .. really ? All you could do with that is maybe play a roman turtle

Image a bunch of Warriors with the new ascended Ventari armor under that shield wall, holding the SM Lord Room against 2 enemy blobs, while your own zerg PvD´s the rest of EB.

sorudo.9054:

Beldin.5498:

sorudo.9054:

i am more worried about no 4th and 5th skill for 1 handed weapons, would love to have this made possible:
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110509054613/gauntlet/images/4/4d/Gauntlet07_Art_Valkyrie_1_Lighter.jpg

Dual wield that weapon .. thats how it works.

i facepalmed…..really, ever heard of role play ever in your life?
maybe you take all the weapons you can think of but there are ppl out there who want their character to have the weapon they need and nothing extra, you also need to keep in mind that not all weapons can be dual wielded by every single profession.

What you ask for is as far away from roleplaying than wanting to dual-wield 2-handers .. you maybe facepalmed a little too much.

Beldin.5498:

sorudo.9054:

Beldin.5498:

sorudo.9054:

i am more worried about no 4th and 5th skill for 1 handed weapons, would love to have this made possible:
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110509054613/gauntlet/images/4/4d/Gauntlet07_Art_Valkyrie_1_Lighter.jpg

Dual wield that weapon .. thats how it works.

i facepalmed…..really, ever heard of role play ever in your life?
maybe you take all the weapons you can think of but there are ppl out there who want their character to have the weapon they need and nothing extra, you also need to keep in mind that not all weapons can be dual wielded by every single profession.

What you ask for is as far away from roleplaying than wanting to dual-wield 2-handers .. you maybe facepalmed a little too much.

so your answer in short:
no, i have never ever done any role play and have no idea what it implies.

would’ve saved everybody’s time…..

sorudo.9054:

Beldin.5498:

sorudo.9054:

Beldin.5498:

sorudo.9054:

i am more worried about no 4th and 5th skill for 1 handed weapons, would love to have this made possible:
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110509054613/gauntlet/images/4/4d/Gauntlet07_Art_Valkyrie_1_Lighter.jpg

Dual wield that weapon .. thats how it works.

i facepalmed…..really, ever heard of role play ever in your life?
maybe you take all the weapons you can think of but there are ppl out there who want their character to have the weapon they need and nothing extra, you also need to keep in mind that not all weapons can be dual wielded by every single profession.

What you ask for is as far away from roleplaying than wanting to dual-wield 2-handers .. you maybe facepalmed a little too much.

so your answer in short:
no, i have never ever done any role play and have no idea what it implies.

would’ve saved everybody’s time…..

Short answer is : you have no clue what roleplaying is. Something like skills or stats are totally unimportant if you play a role because they are all totally OOC.

While I don’t think that the OP’s suggestion is a good one, I would like to say that I could easily see a warhorn as main hand weapon for a Mesmer. First skill can just be a sonic blast type of attack, the second and third can work like the Ranger warhorn skill that summons birds to attack a target by having phantasmal animals come in to attack when called.

Dual focus and torch? I guess I can see that.

Main hand shields? No, that’s really not a good idea. Sorry, it’s just not. And I’d love to play a warrior with a shield in the main hand, and a sword in the left (and green armor).

Beldin.5498:

sorudo.9054:

Beldin.5498:

sorudo.9054:

Beldin.5498:

sorudo.9054:

i am more worried about no 4th and 5th skill for 1 handed weapons, would love to have this made possible:
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110509054613/gauntlet/images/4/4d/Gauntlet07_Art_Valkyrie_1_Lighter.jpg

Dual wield that weapon .. thats how it works.

i facepalmed…..really, ever heard of role play ever in your life?
maybe you take all the weapons you can think of but there are ppl out there who want their character to have the weapon they need and nothing extra, you also need to keep in mind that not all weapons can be dual wielded by every single profession.

What you ask for is as far away from roleplaying than wanting to dual-wield 2-handers .. you maybe facepalmed a little too much.

so your answer in short:
no, i have never ever done any role play and have no idea what it implies.

would’ve saved everybody’s time…..

Short answer is : you have no clue what roleplaying is. Something like skills or stats are totally unimportant if you play a role because they are all totally OOC.

to you maybe, to me it is.
i don’t role play just for the looks, the skills and weapons need to fit the character just as much.
if my character only wields a one handed weapon and nothing else then that’s what happens, i have some characters that refuse to use certain weapons even if it isn’t meta.

oh and FYI, clearly you’re an kitten role player if you think that way, i go fully or not at all.

nice idea! dual wielding shields wouldn’t make much sense but there is potential to add new skills to existing weapons, simply by swapping “sword/main – shield/off” to “sword/off – shield/main” .
you wouldn’t have to change the animation for storing the shield.

basically different stances:

sword/warhorn is offensive
warhorn/sword is support

just an example though.

I would rather see shield usable as a 2H weapon over dual wield. You could actually do some damage with a shield using both hands. Good knockdown, lots of swiping and slamming.

I want a mainhand focus just so I can dual wield beer mugs

Jerus.4350:

I want a mainhand focus just so I can dual wield beer mugs

Mainhand Moonshine so you can refill that mug

But I’d love more damage options for the offhand weapons so it doesn’t take forever for the weapon master achievements.