Guild Wars 2

olTThreelo.6710:

Yes there are idiots but getting abused and intimidated all the time? It has never happened to me. Exactly why are people gravitating to you? Do you say a bunch of stupid stuff in chat or something? I’m puzzled.

I am actually puzzled too why he got abused so many times? So far, in the 3 years I have been playing, I only got trolled a few times and once I got screamed at for not rezzing a party member in a middle of a fight between a boss character. Lol.

Somnium Luna.6294:

Confident man dont fall so easily on the tales of people around him.

You realise that not everyone who plays games is an adult; let alone a male?

Do you, honestly, think that it is reasonable to (for example) expect a shy, 12 year old girl to have to react like an impervious, adult man, or go “play with Barbie”?

Please open your mind.

People were mean to you on the internet? That’s a first.

SirDrygan.1823:

olTThreelo.6710:

Yes there are idiots but getting abused and intimidated all the time? It has never happened to me. Exactly why are people gravitating to you? Do you say a bunch of stupid stuff in chat or something? I’m puzzled.

I am actually puzzled too why he got abused so many times? So far, in the 3 years I have been playing, I only got trolled a few times and once I got screamed at for not rezzing a party member in a middle of a fight between a boss character. Lol.

I can’t say I’ve had more than a few jerkfaces in map chat and one on the forums myself but I’m pretty introverted. Someone who actually seeks out lots of interaction might have a few more experiences. There are people online who specifically decide to target someone whether they visibly react or not because.. well.. they’re immature bratheads with enough issues for a subscription but I’m thinking those aren’t the types OP is running into.

As a super-sensitive person, I do empathize with the OP. I am introverted, sheltered, and can’t always tell when people are just joking or are being aggressively mean. However, I recognize this as a problem that I have (I blame genetics and my ultra-religious upbringing), and I don’t expect others to change to accommodate me. I need to learn to be less sensitive (or “grow a thicker skin”, which in nature occurs as something is exposed to “harsh elements” and is a regular part of growth and maturity). Until I do, I generally stay away from people or places in game that rub me the wrong way because that is not so much fun for me. And I play this game to have fun.
The verbal abuse in this game is a problem, but there is a system in place already for that. It isn’t going to eliminate the problem as a whole, because there will always be trolls on the internet. Despite that, and I think someone stated this already, this is actually one of the friendliest games out there.
As for the “visual abuse”, I really can’t think of anything in this game that could be used to be emotionally damaging. Annoying, yes. So annoying they’re driving me insane…? Okay, maybe, although “This person is really annoying” is not a good enough reason to report someone, IMO. I believe one definition of “insanity” is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results, which is why people keep saying “Don’t feed the trolls”. It does nothing useful, and they’ll just drive you crazy.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

There have been other threads and conversations about people following others to harass them by jumping up and down beside them while the other person is playing, throwing down skills, following them around to jump/throw down skills even if they waypoint, tracking them down to resume jumping/throwing down skills.

*Imo, what the people being harassed need to do is turn it around. Instead of them following you, you are leading them. You are now their boss.

Who decides where to go? You do. Who leads them into a group of mobs so they can be killed? You do. Who decides to go afk for a while, “forcing” them to stand beside you until you are good and ready to come back? You do. Who is making them pay attention to wherever you want to go, stand beside you while you harvest, do jumping puzzles they don’t want to do? You are.*

It’s all in who is making the other person do what they want. If you are running from them, trying to get away, then they are the boss. If you are leading them around by the nose, then you’re the boss.

Hahaha this is brilliant. XD

OP, next time you get griefed, you should do this. It might actually be kinda fun.

I have decided if someone follows me around unwanted, I will lead them off a cliff.. or to the erp spot in Wayfarer Foothills.. or to go stand on the lava in Mount Maelstrom.. or other fun places

The OP should not be taken seriously. He “roleplays” but I put that in quotes because he’s very bad at it and attempts to confront random people in-character who aren’t even roleplayers. He takes it as a personal attack on himself when they respond with trolling. Instead of walking away he persists and then he claims that they were the ones harassing him.

For those of us who don’t pick fights, the current tools are sufficient.

Ok i know this is a troll post, but if it was serious this will be my opinion here:

If you scroll down youll se the ESRB RATING of this game, lest see what it says:

Blood, Mild Language, Use of Alcohol, Violence.

Ok, the only thing missing here to make it a epic game is nudity (partial or complete), but lest say theres a lot of people that actually get… ABUSE… here, pleaso OP stop playing 16+ ESRB games (online and offline ones), and that is a recomendation for your 14th years old friend also, couse belive me games today will offend you in so many ways… dont waste your time….

I cant actually belive that someone can get that emotional damage for a game; in real life people gets bully, even from their family. so lest ask what will happen when you find yourserl on and empty map, i mean rly? trolling is really subjetive, actually i have epic trolled some times (english is not my native languaje) for the way i speak on world map, but some times is really creative and epic funny.

so have fun!

I’ve never met you Khristophoros.7194 – in fact I’ve never encountered you before today so you have by way of subjective reasoning never met me, encountered me or interacted me. In other words, your commentary is a finger-wagging work of fiction and a poorly written one at that. One more thing, as I simply cannot resist, are you an authority on roleplaying characters? By what standard do you measure your alleged abilities? But then that has always been the way of the critic, they act to deface others work yet are incapable of producing anything which can rival or better it.

As we used to say back in the Old Country, you’re full of hot air.

And my original question still remains, WHY are so many of the negative or derisive commentators here so unwilling to entertain the possibility of visually blocking the bullies? Could it be perhaps that it would stop your “fun” at other peoples expense?

tairneanach.8427:

Personal abuse, I get that. Trolling, verbal harassment, sure. Trying to bring a PC down on its knees by firing off a load of effects at once, sure, though I probably won’t ever be personally affected by that. But intimidiation by having a character firing off skills or standing close to your character? I simply don’t see how that could be intimidating in any way.

Here’s the definition in Oxford’s English Dictionary:
“Frighten or overawe (someone), especially in order to make them do what one wants”

How can you be frightened or overawed by pixels being close to other pixels? Someone invading your personal space in real life, sure, but… They can’t do anything to you. Well, they can annoy you, I suppose, but why would that be frightening?

Edit: This isn’t meant as an attack. I simply seek enlightenment.

I was thinking the same thing. I struggle to see how someone following you around in game is intimidating. Especially if you have them blocked.

Belenus.9132:

I’ve never met you Khristophoros.7194 – in fact I’ve never encountered you before today so you have by way of subjective reasoning never met me, encountered me or interacted me. In other words, your commentary is a finger-wagging work of fiction and a poorly written one at that. One more thing, as I simply cannot resist, are you an authority on roleplaying characters? By what standard do you measure your alleged abilities? But then that has always been the way of the critic, they act to deface others work yet are incapable of producing anything which can rival or better it.

As we used to say back in the Old Country, you’re full of hot air.

And my original question still remains, WHY are so many of the negative or derisive commentators here so unwilling to entertain the possibility of visually blocking the bullies? Could it be perhaps that it would stop your “fun” at other peoples expense?

I’m not against it, I will say however it would be a technical nightmare from a coding standpoint.

I’m against it because the current block feature works. It works and we don’t need Anet dumping resources into something like OP suggested. I’m not colorblind but I would much rather prefer Anet work on a colorblind mode if they are fixing QoL issues.

OP they won’t implement this anyway. If you spend any decent amount of time in the forums and have a general understating of Anet and how they work it won’t happen so really just close the thread there’s no point. Have a nice day

I’m not against making people invisible except it’s not the best answer as there are other problems associated with it, such as in PvP or in WvW. It would be far better if other solutions were looked at first. For example if you block someone then they should get zero information about you if they friend you, such as whether or not you are even online.

Block is sufficient in the majority of situations and since someone jumping beside you or putting down skills is no worse than annoying, it doesn’t require radical rewriting of block to solve. If the OP is being deliberately tracked down and harassed by the same people over a period of time (and is himself not deliberately aggravating the situation) then he too should get the necessary information and report it to Support to be resolved if he is not able to resolve it himself.

Well, Just a flesh wound.3589 its simple, the proposed blocking enhancements are simply not implemented for PvP or WvW and if players who have visually blocked other players prior to entering either mode they can expect them to be visible otherwise it would just cause chaos. And as for it not being practical from a programming point of view – garbage!

If you knew anything at all about procedural programming you would know that such things are designed to be modified on demand for whatever task is required. The same idea was implemented in an earlier interactive world (Second Life) with no issue whatsoever. That world did not come crashing down nor did the code freeze. The servers did not power down nor did anyone lose their accounts.

The point is the programmers at ArenaNET are very talented individuals and as such have already augmented and adapted the existing code millions of times over to tweak it and to get it doing what it is supposed to be doing. So from a programming perspective it is entirely possible and workable.

I also feel it necessary to remind you that when I speak of abuse of the tools and actions we have access to in Guild Wars 2 I am mentioning instances predominately of players who for whatever reason amuses them choose to abuse others and as soon as you block one of them another pops it’s head up and pretty much does something new to you so it becomes necessary to literally block as required a line of would-be troublemakers as and when the instances take place, and I accept that. I would just like the nature of that blocking to be enhanced.

Most of the time (as I’ve suggested above – must pay attention) I see no point in reporting them as it wastes my time and the time of ArenaNET employees who have better things to be doing than reading abusive comments or checking for actions deemed illegal – but they do and I respect them for it. And they often act to deal with such troublemakers. Recently one such player had their account seized their avatar stripped of all of it’s illegally obtained enhancements and it was ‘’executed.’’

In my case I get a lot of attention before I character role-play and it seems some people see that as an opportunity to abuse me – which is why I, and other role-players, tend to experience a much higher percentage of such instances than the average player.

Those players who spend all their time in PvP and WvW don’t really have time to role-play as they are too busy hitting each other and aside from the occasional grunt, I’m sure that the idea of dialogue is the least of their worries. Besides I could argue that they have a completely different mindset to the players who want to immerse themselves in the TRUE Tyria – the maps of the planetary surface (and the mists).

That has been my observation at least. In addition to my helping out new players I also spend time in level 80+ areas but there is little to do there other than test your mettle, to band with other like-minded individuals and to collect; and PvP/WvW simply does not appeal to me and does not suit my choice of game play.

I even speculate at times that when certain types of abuse takes place it is because the abusers both bored and see other people, not just NPC’s as targets of opportunity who won’t fight back. Well, that thinking is a fallacy and it is not acceptable. Ultimately you have two realistic choices here; change society (or the online society) so that violence of this sort is completely unacceptable and the punishment for such is so horrible that only the dumbest would dare to abuse another, or implement blocking enhancements to provide protection to players who feel as if they are being abused for whatever reason they feel the need to give.

AMENDMENT: I’ve just recalled that those persons leaping into the Mystic Forge in Lion’s Arch now take on the appearance of energy beings. Their avatar is replaced with it in fact. It does not take much of a stretch of the imagination to blank out an avatar then, as you simply choose to tell your local client software not to render them or if rendering is required to render them with all colors set to transparent in that instance. In the case of the Forge, I see my avatar as an energy being – as do others, and I see theirs as energy as well (if they are in the Forge).

APPENDUM and its now almost a year after the original posting and I’m still experiencing the sort of abuse mentioned here. You can also add to that the usual trolls jumping around in front of me while I’m trying to enjoy a role-playing session, setting of explosions, targeting me with flash and portal effects. Basically anything which entertains their tiny little minds. So with that in mind, ARENANET, CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE SERIOUS CONSIDERATION TOWARDS BLOCKING THE IMAGE OF ABUSERS, AS WELL AS THEIR EFFECTS/SOUND EFFECTS once blocked, so I and people like me who just want to enjoy Guild Wars 2 can block these idiots and see them VANISH, and all of the tools they are using to abuse me and others vanish right along with them!

Before anyone says it cannot be done, oh yes, it can! I’m a programmer and know something about structured programming. I also successfully implemented this when using a game called Second Life, so it is entirely possible within a structured environment to change the attributes so that they will not be rendered locally. That means that everyone else will see these people, but once I have blocked them, I will not. It is a simple and elegant solution to the abusing problem.

That said, I also suggest an amendment to the existing reporting system to include INTIMIDATION for the sake of intimidation. Most of these idiots get their fun at the expense of others by actively acting to emotionally intimidate them and I in the worse case situations where having been blocked from sending me dialogue, I still have these people IN MY FACE, bouncing up and down, inside my avatar, setting off effects and in many cases the only way to STOP SUCH ABUSE is simply to leave, or to log out completely. I play Guild Wars 2 so I can relax, so to have this happen to me – at the moment about six times a day on average – can be very irritating – and its made all the worse by the fact that they know I cannot report them for intimidating behavior.

Belenus.9132:

APPENDUM and its now almost a year after the original posting and I’m still experiencing the sort of abuse mentioned here. You can also add to that the usual trolls jumping around in front of me while I’m trying to enjoy a role-playing session, setting of explosions, targeting me with flash and portal effects. Basically anything which entertains their tiny little minds. So with that in mind, ARENANET, CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE SERIOUS CONSIDERATION TOWARDS BLOCKING THE IMAGE OF ABUSERS, AS WELL AS THEIR EFFECTS/SOUND EFFECTS once blocked, so I and people like me who just want to enjoy Guild Wars 2 can block these idiots and see them VANISH, and all of the tools they are using to abuse me and others vanish right along with them!

Before anyone says it cannot be done, oh yes, it can! I’m a programmer and know something about structured programming. I also successfully implemented this when using a game called Second Life, so it is entirely possible within a structured environment to change the attributes so that they will not be rendered locally. That means that everyone else will see these people, but once I have blocked them, I will not. It is a simple and elegant solution to the abusing problem.

That said, I also suggest an amendment to the existing reporting system to include INTIMIDATION for the sake of intimidation. Most of these idiots get their fun at the expense of others by actively acting to emotionally intimidate them and I in the worse case situations where having been blocked from sending me dialogue, I still have these people IN MY FACE, bouncing up and down, inside my avatar, setting off effects and in many cases the only way to STOP SUCH ABUSE is simply to leave, or to log out completely. I play Guild Wars 2 so I can relax, so to have this happen to me – at the moment about six times a day on average – can be very irritating – and its made all the worse by the fact that they know I cannot report them for intimidating behavior.

hm, let me get this straight , you want to do something to others who are jumping up and down in close proximity to you? oh no, am I going to get banned for “/threaten” with a charr? Devs!! We need a large enough space so our avatars don’t touch each other.

this thread, just PC in another form.. seriously, just man up and deal with it.

Belenus.9132:

APPENDUM and its now almost a year after the original posting and I’m still experiencing the sort of abuse mentioned here. You can also add to that the usual trolls jumping around in front of me while I’m trying to enjoy a role-playing session, setting of explosions, targeting me with flash and portal effects. Basically anything which entertains their tiny little minds. So with that in mind, ARENANET, CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE SERIOUS CONSIDERATION TOWARDS BLOCKING THE IMAGE OF ABUSERS, AS WELL AS THEIR EFFECTS/SOUND EFFECTS once blocked, so I and people like me who just want to enjoy Guild Wars 2 can block these idiots and see them VANISH, and all of the tools they are using to abuse me and others vanish right along with them!

Before anyone says it cannot be done, oh yes, it can! I’m a programmer and know something about structured programming. I also successfully implemented this when using a game called Second Life, so it is entirely possible within a structured environment to change the attributes so that they will not be rendered locally. That means that everyone else will see these people, but once I have blocked them, I will not. It is a simple and elegant solution to the abusing problem.

That said, I also suggest an amendment to the existing reporting system to include INTIMIDATION for the sake of intimidation. Most of these idiots get their fun at the expense of others by actively acting to emotionally intimidate them and I in the worse case situations where having been blocked from sending me dialogue, I still have these people IN MY FACE, bouncing up and down, inside my avatar, setting off effects and in many cases the only way to STOP SUCH ABUSE is simply to leave, or to log out completely. I play Guild Wars 2 so I can relax, so to have this happen to me – at the moment about six times a day on average – can be very irritating – and its made all the worse by the fact that they know I cannot report them for intimidating behavior.

We don’t know the back story here. If you’re being trolled by people “about six times a day on average”, it seems odd that it’d just be random, anonymous trolls. It sounds more like people you have a history with for whatever reason. You can always take screenshots, and then submit a support ticket with a description of the trolling. That may get more results than just reporting in-game.

Regardless, you bumped a thread that’s been dead for a year. So, this thread will probably be closed soon (bumping dead threads is against the rules). You’d be better off just making a new one if you really want to continue the discussion.

I agree with Rose, submit a ticket with screenshots, as it’s classed as harassment. I roleplay on a regular basis, and certainly don’t suffer from trolls nearly as regularly as you are doing.

Take some screenshots and sent them to customer support with a description of the problem.

Then just move on. The worst thing you can do is react to them, and that includes on the forum. That’s what they want. Set your status to “offline” (on the friends page I think), play your game and ignore them. When you have finished for the day move your avatar to one of the cities and just leave it there and walk away from the PC. If they follow you they will waste their time “abusing” an AFK player.

Fortunately it’s a fairly rare thing in GW1 and GW2.

You can always purchase a single player game if you don’t want social interactions with other human beings, or are incapable of dealing with them in a rational manner. Because this thread is not rational; and bumping it after 1 year cause you didn’t get what you want, is not rational either.
That aside, I doubt anyone is gonna cater a game to your personal satisfaction(role-playing is not the priority of gw2) and create an infraction system according to your distorted moral code
As a side note, I can’t find a reason for this thread to exist, it serves the purpose of 1 person venting his anger and instead of finding a solution to his problem (find a less populated map, use instances, be mentally prepared to attract all kinds of attention when you rp in a city) literally screams on the forums till people obey him (cause this has strayed too far from a single request)

I agree with the idea of preventing the client from rendering blocked logins. It could be a client-side feature.

Justification: roleplay events such as moots, weddings, funerals, etc.

• Some roleplayers decide to do a wedding. One troll can ruin the entire event.
• Logic already exists to cull the number of rendered characters on the screen.
• WvW and PvP should ignore the rendering block and use regular culling rules.

Exactly, Kate Soulguard.7132 – thank you! And as for screen capturing, reporting, have done this until I’m blue in the face and may I say that the people at ArenaNET have been very nice about it, but have said that there is very little they can do about it and frankly I understand this and agree with them. You cannot stop these people, and sending them out a letter saying “cease and desist” is a complete waste of time, so the best course of action would be, as I’ve suggested to cut-out the whole mess by simply blocking their dialogue, character, fx and audio. Basically, its the Guild Wars 2 version of the bugblatter beast of traal – you cannot see it, it cannot see you. Problem solved! One last thing, as before, when I read replies which say “man up” and “get over yourself” and “you must be easily frightened” I am forced to conclude that said replies are from abusers who know that if my concerns were taken seriously their ‘fun’ would be at an end and there would be no point in trolling or intimidating other players.

One additional note, it was suggested that they will ‘’move on’’ if ignored. An interesting theory. I was engaged in some RP this week and one troll stood INSIDE my avatar for more than forty minutes jumping up and down on the spot. When I moved, they moved and continued jumping. NEVER underestimate the stupidity of an abuser.

You can’t regulate politeness. You can’t create technological tools to force it upon people. One price we pay for socializing with strangers is that they’ll do strange things. The surest way to attract trolls is to… give them attention. You want them to go away? Ignore them.

That’s what I do when someone posts repeatedly in the forums asking ANet to resolve a problem that the poster can deal with on their own.

I’m not so sure about culling specific avatars (mostly because it might not be trivial to implement – i can already see several important points of difference between this and the old culling mechanics), but blocking feature should really be expanded to really work. For one, blocking should make it impossible for person blocked to friend you in order to see where you are. Just as blocking someone should not show you where they are too (while it can be currently useful to avoid blocked people, it can work the other way too, and, like friend feature, can be used to find you back)

I’m having a hard time getting intimidate as opposed to annoy from 2 and 3 in the OP.

Ok, so I totally get wanting to have a way to silence griefers — and we have that as the block command.

However, I can’t follow the desire to hide people visually (unless said griefers are distracting while you try to RP). I mean, just block them, and so what if they are running around you? My little brother does that to my character all the time, but I just don’t care.

OP you are either the most unlucky guy or the most intolerant.

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