Guild Wars 2

do you want achievement points leaderboards removed?

yes? no? why?

for me, yes. please.
it would reduce a lot of complaints on the forums.

thank you!

I wouldn’t mind seeing them gone…but then some people like them. I don’t really see the purpose of dailies and HoM rewards are counted though.

No keep them, just remove any AP’s from GW1 out of them.

Let us keep our AP’s for the rewards sure no problem Anet can do that AND deduct them off the leaderboards. Not hard to do I should imagine.

For the record I have 300 points from GW1 and really don’t care about the leaderboards but it’s obvious many players who played GW2 ONLY do care.

Vayne.8563:

I wouldn’t mind seeing them gone…but then some people like them. I don’t really see the purpose of dailies and HoM rewards are counted though.

well, i don’t see any purpose for them not counting though.

Paulytnz.7619:

No keep them, just remove any AP’s from GW1 out of them.

Let us keep our AP’s for the rewards sure no problem Anet can do that AND deduct them off the leaderboards. Not hard to do I should imagine.

For the record I have 300 points from GW1 and really don’t care about the leaderboards but it’s obvious many players who played GW2 ONLY do care.

hmmm. nah. i prefer to keep my extra achievement points from guild wars 1.

the way i see it, the bulk of the complaints comes from people whining about unable to “compete” in the achievement points leader board.

remove the achievement points leader board.

problem solved.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Paulytnz.7619:

No keep them, just remove any AP’s from GW1 out of them.

Let us keep our AP’s for the rewards sure no problem Anet can do that AND deduct them off the leaderboards. Not hard to do I should imagine.

For the record I have 300 points from GW1 and really don’t care about the leaderboards but it’s obvious many players who played GW2 ONLY do care.

hmmm. nah. i prefer to keep my extra achievement points from guild wars 1.

the way i see it, the bulk of the complaints comes from people whining about unable to “compete” in the achievement points leader board.

remove the achievement points leader board.

problem solved.

I’m sure the tens of players who actually care about the leaderboard are outraged.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Paulytnz.7619:

No keep them, just remove any AP’s from GW1 out of them.

Let us keep our AP’s for the rewards sure no problem Anet can do that AND deduct them off the leaderboards. Not hard to do I should imagine.

For the record I have 300 points from GW1 and really don’t care about the leaderboards but it’s obvious many players who played GW2 ONLY do care.

hmmm. nah. i prefer to keep my extra achievement points from guild wars 1.

the way i see it, the bulk of the complaints comes from people whining about unable to “compete” in the achievement points leader board.

remove the achievement points leader board.

problem solved.

But you are asking for the removal of the leaderboards entirely which means you don’t care about them. My suggestion is that they ONLY remove our extra AP’s from GW from the LEADERBOARDS and NOT our in game rewards.

So really it should not bother you. Why remove something from the game that you don’t care about which clearly others do? That’s like saying “I don’t care for Jumping puzzles let’s remove them”.

Conncept.7638:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Paulytnz.7619:

No keep them, just remove any AP’s from GW1 out of them.

Let us keep our AP’s for the rewards sure no problem Anet can do that AND deduct them off the leaderboards. Not hard to do I should imagine.

For the record I have 300 points from GW1 and really don’t care about the leaderboards but it’s obvious many players who played GW2 ONLY do care.

hmmm. nah. i prefer to keep my extra achievement points from guild wars 1.

the way i see it, the bulk of the complaints comes from people whining about unable to “compete” in the achievement points leader board.

remove the achievement points leader board.

problem solved.

I’m sure the tens of players who actually care about the leaderboard are outraged.

sure they will definitely not be happy if they care.
but no worries it will die off very quickly and silently when more rewards are introduced etc.

people are very forgetful.

Conncept.7638:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Paulytnz.7619:

No keep them, just remove any AP’s from GW1 out of them.

Let us keep our AP’s for the rewards sure no problem Anet can do that AND deduct them off the leaderboards. Not hard to do I should imagine.

For the record I have 300 points from GW1 and really don’t care about the leaderboards but it’s obvious many players who played GW2 ONLY do care.

hmmm. nah. i prefer to keep my extra achievement points from guild wars 1.

the way i see it, the bulk of the complaints comes from people whining about unable to “compete” in the achievement points leader board.

remove the achievement points leader board.

problem solved.

I’m sure the tens of players who actually care about the leaderboard are outraged.

If you ask me there must have been a reason Anet added these leaderboards in the first place. They either thought there was a big enough playerbase who cares about it or wanted to try and create such a playerbase.

In either case I really doubt they would remove such a thing now or not respond to such issues when clearly there is going to be such a moan about it on the forums.

Paulytnz.7619:

But you are asking for the removal of the leaderboards entirely which means you don’t care about them. My suggestion is that they ONLY remove our extra AP’s from GW from the LEADERBOARDS and NOT our in game rewards.

So really it should not bother you. Why remove something from the game that you don’t care about which clearly others do? That’s like saying “I don’t care for Jumping puzzles let’s remove them”.

hmmm. true, i dun care about the achievement points leader boards. to me, them achievement points leader boards brought more harm to the community than good.

though what you suggested may be a good alternative, to me, it sounds like too much work. outright removing it is much easier.

for the jumping puzzle example, well, jumping puzzles were originally part of the game, hence, should not be removed.

achievement points leader board is something added on later.

if it brings more harm then good then removing it is justified. from my point of view, that is.

I looked at it a few times. I didn’t see anything very interesting. I don’t mind if they keep it. Some of those players I noticed on the front page might be a little unhappy with it. Then again they could always take a screen shot to look at from time to time.

Paulytnz.7619:

If you ask me there must have been a reason Anet added these leaderboards in the first place. They either thought there was a big enough playerbase who cares about it or wanted to try and create such a playerbase.

In either case I really doubt they would remove such a thing now or not respond to such issues when clearly there is going to be such a moan about it on the forums.

hmmm true. well, i have no idea why they introduced it though.
i have seen more complaints regarding achievement points ever since the achievement points leader boards were introduced.

I think part of the reason they added the leaderboards was to try and stimulate usually competitive people into trying out more things in game that usually they didn’t bother with. Such as people who usually gave up after first failing a dungeon or jump puzzle.

I thought perhaps now these people who are usually competitive might retry and try other things in game to try and get them out there and doing them. So I never thought of the leaderboards as a bad thing with that regard.

But now we have these reward chests I guess that could fill that role. Problem is they have already created a few “I’m the top of the list elite”s now it might be tough to just simply remove.

Paulytnz.7619:

I think part of the reason they added the leaderboards was to try and stimulate usually competitive people into trying out more things in game that usually they didn’t bother with. Such as people who usually gave up after first failing a dungeon or jump puzzle.

I thought perhaps now these people who are usually competitive might retry and try other things in game to try and get them out there and doing them. So I never thought of the leaderboards as a bad thing with that regard.

But now we have these reward chests I guess that could fill that role. Problem is they have already created a few “I’m the top of the list elite”s now it might be tough to just simply remove.

hmmm. i think you are right.

what about drastically increasing the achievement points for achievements that are much harder and time consuming to achieve?

I don’t see how trading complaints about the leaderboards for complaints about the removal of the leaderboards is a step in the right direction. Or a step at all.

Sorin.4310:

I don’t see how trading complaints about the leaderboards for complaints about the removal of the leaderboards is a step in the right direction. Or a step at all.

hmmm you got me confused now. O_O

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Paulytnz.7619:

I think part of the reason they added the leaderboards was to try and stimulate usually competitive people into trying out more things in game that usually they didn’t bother with. Such as people who usually gave up after first failing a dungeon or jump puzzle.

I thought perhaps now these people who are usually competitive might retry and try other things in game to try and get them out there and doing them. So I never thought of the leaderboards as a bad thing with that regard.

But now we have these reward chests I guess that could fill that role. Problem is they have already created a few “I’m the top of the list elite”s now it might be tough to just simply remove.

hmmm. i think you are right.

what about drastically increasing the achievement points for achievements that are much harder and time consuming to achieve?

I was thinking about this recently myself but not bothered to make a post suggesting it. Certainly some jump puzzles are harder than others for example yet they all reward 10 points.

But then again I guess it’s the same as DE’s. All are not equal yet most pay the same reward……

Remember those events you had to solo that take an actual 5-10 mins (that actually state x amount of time remains) and yet you could do another 5 in that same time and get 5x the same reward?

This game is still so new there is a LOT of balancing (by that I mean appropriate rewards for the time/effort put in) that needs to be done, they will get there one day I’m sure.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Sorin.4310:

I don’t see how trading complaints about the leaderboards for complaints about the removal of the leaderboards is a step in the right direction. Or a step at all.

hmmm you got me confused now. O_O

1) create leaderboards.
2) complaints about leaderboards.
3) remove leaderboards.
4) complaints about the removal of leadeboards.
5) forums don’t improve – just find a new thing to complain about.

I have no opinion either way on whether the Leaderboards stay or go. I honestly never even look at it. XD

Honestly, they shouldn’t of been made in the first place in my opinion.

It’s achievement points. Not anything special or skill wise. It is just a way to flaunt your ability to grind and wave your digital manhood in other people’s faces for having more points than they do.

And with all the complaints about the Hall of Monuments giving an extra 500 points, it should just be removed. I love how no one was complaining when they only gave 50 points, yet once it hit 500, everyone threw a fit.

Think of it like this. Even if you had 10,000 Achievement points, the person who played GW1 would of had 10,050 Achievement points. But it wasn’t a big deal was it? No one complained at all. But now that it is awarding 500 points, everyone is making it a big deal. Doesn’t make any sense to me and is rather ridiculous to complain about it now.

So how was it fine before, but now it is unfair?

I didn’t even know there was one until I saw the number of people whining about them today. I don’t think there should be one in the first place, so yes I would love to see it removed so people stopped complaining about it so much.

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Honestly, they shouldn’t of been made in the first place in my opinion.

It’s achievement points. Not anything special or skill wise. It is just a way to flaunt your ability to grind and wave your digital manhood in other people’s faces for having more points than they do.

And with all the complaints about the Hall of Monuments giving an extra 500 points, it should just be removed. I love how no one was complaining when they only gave 50 points, yet once it hit 500, everyone threw a fit.

Think of it like this. Even if you had 10,000 Achievement points, the person who played GW1 would of had 10,050 Achievement points. But it wasn’t a big deal was it? No one complained at all. But now that it is awarding 500 points, everyone is making it a big deal. Doesn’t make any sense to me and is rather ridiculous to complain about it now.

So how was it fine before, but now it is unfair?

Agreed 100% on your entire post. I’d love to see it copy pasted into the 2 page HoM QQ thread.

Was 20, not 50. And 20 is not 500. And ppl with 10k+ points were doing dailies, all of them, day after day, long before there were leaderboards.

For 20 pts, if it was that, you only need to play 2 days more than the other guy. That sounds viable. For 500 you need 25 times more. I’m sure now you see why 500 is far bigger deal than 20.

All that kittening about loving new points coming from ppl who apparently don’t care about points is amazing. Or is it that now you really care, after you were unjustly rewarded and find yourself feeling like it’s a competition too?

Leaderboards should stay, GW1 AP points should be completely removed from that ranking.

Make it so it only shows friends/guilds.

fellyn.5083:

Make it so it only shows friends/guilds.

This. This this this this.

Zero Tolerance.1539:

Was 20, not 50. And 20 is not 500. And ppl with 10k+ points were doing dailies, all of them, day after day, long before there were leaderboards.

For 20 pts, if it was that, you only need to play 2 days more than the other guy. That sounds viable. For 500 you need 25 times more. I’m sure now you see why 500 is far bigger deal than 20.

All that kittening about loving new points coming from ppl who apparently don’t care about points is amazing. Or is it that now you really care, after you were unjustly rewarded and find yourself feeling like it’s a competition too?

Leaderboards should stay, GW1 AP points should be completely removed from that ranking.

So what if the person from GW1 plays those 2 days as well then? You’d still be under them no matter what.

What I am saying is, GW1 players will always be on top regardless of how many points you earn. If you reach 10,000 points, that GW1 player will still have 10,020 points. Even if you do two days of dailies to get 10,020, they will have 10,040 if they do those days to. No matter what, they will always be ahead.

It has been this way since the beginning and we have always known it would be this way. So how is 500 any different than 20? It doesn’t matter if you do 25 days of dailies to catch up or not. If they do 25 days of dailies as well, they will still be ahead of you. No matter what, they will always be ahead.

So why is it a big issue now, but wasn’t before? Oh it was fine when it was only 20 points, but now it’s unfair that it is 500 points? In both scenarios, they are still ahead and always have been. So why is it all the sudden an issue now when it wasn’t before?

It’s always been an issue – and ppl playing for APs were talking about it before between themselves. I can easily count on someone missing 2 days while I won’t. Counting on 50 days is really not the same, trust me.

I don’t have a problem with them. I don’t look at the achievement points being any kind of competition though. I could care less how many people have.

Fernling.1729:

I don’t have a problem with them. I don’t look at the achievement points being any kind of competition though. I could care less how many people have.

well, some people are not amused.

i think it is in the best interest of everyone that the achievement points leaderboard is removed ASAP since it causes more harm than good.

Ruith.5861:

Before this change I was around rank 30 in EU. After it I’m more like rank 50. Why? Because apparently doing things in another game is relevant to this game. I played GW1 and supported Anet by buying that game and expansions – I just did not play it as long as some people. I would prefer there to be absolutely no achievement points based on GW1 – period.

It is a different game. Why do they want AP hunters to log off GW2 and go play GW1 again? Because at this rate, when I have nothing else to do as is often the case… I will go and play that game where Gems are not on offer… thereby I shall not be paying Anet any more… it is totally illogical from a business model point of view.

I started from the beginning in GW2 – we already have to put up with that arrogant “God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals” title that spams the screen everywhere you look… for heaven’s sake why now this extra link in the form of Achievement Points?

If I had known in advance that a player’s time spent in another game was going to be relevant to ranking in this game I would not have tried so hard to get to the top… this is a real kick in the teeth to the really hardcore AP hunters out there who just didn’t play GW1 enough to get that totally unfair whack of APs.

The strong ill-feeling that this has generated is in no way warranted by the “happy feeling” that may be gained by players who gain lots of APs from this update.

If you agree with any of this, please add your views below and support a call to have the GW1 Achievement Point change revoked asap.

I’m inclined to believe a very small amount of people actually have a problem with it. Like everything, people will complain. I think it would be worse if they removed them now.
Besides, anet wants people to want more achievement points. It keeps them logging in everyday.

Fernling.1729:

I’m inclined to believe a very small amount of people actually have a problem with it. Like everything, people will complain. I think it would be worse if they removed them now.
Besides, anet wants people to want more achievement points. It keeps them logging in everyday.

hmmm “anet wants people to want more achievement points. It keeps them logging in everyday.” i think you are right. O_O

well they can have their complain threads, we can have our removal thread ahah.

all is fair.

Fernling.1729:

I’m inclined to believe a very small amount of people actually have a problem with it. Like everything, people will complain. I think it would be worse if they removed them now.
Besides, anet wants people to want more achievement points. It keeps them logging in everyday.

Exactly. The people who REALLY want the achievements will either buy or go back to GW1 every now and then – which isn’t a bad thing. Not to mention the community outcry on the forums opposed to this is so small (really there’s only 10 people or so who have said that they’re opposed) that it won’t be enough to cause a reaction.

On my server I showed people this thread and so many people outright laughed at some of the people commenting here. A lot of people who I told this to on my server were confused as to why this would make people mad. Most of the higher tiered players (On the leaderboards that some of these people hold as the be all end all) on my server that I talked to saw it as a challenge to do better and work harder at getting their spot back.

Either way this affects nothing and it’s all about people being greedy for a useless spot on a useless leaderboard and trying to take achievements away from others.

If Anet didn’t want the achievements to matter they wouldn’t have included the HoM category in GW2 since beta.

Sorin.4310:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Sorin.4310:

I don’t see how trading complaints about the leaderboards for complaints about the removal of the leaderboards is a step in the right direction. Or a step at all.

hmmm you got me confused now. O_O

1) create leaderboards.
2) complaints about leaderboards.
3) remove leaderboards.
4) complaints about the removal of leadeboards.
5) forums don’t improve – just find a new thing to complain about.

0) complaints that there are no leaderboards
1) create leaderboards.
2) complaints about leaderboards.
3) remove leaderboards.
4) complaints about the removal of leadeboards.
5) forums don’t improve – just find a new thing to complain about.

A small addition.

Why should they be removed? I don’t see any reason

Why? Catering to trolls is not a good way to do business.

With 600 hours of casual play I made it to the leaderboards for my server. I’m happy with that. If I can do that, anyone can.

As I’ve already said:

I have no problem with ANet rewarding their loyal (GW1) customers.

The reward is not unreasonable.

I played GW1 for 2 weeks and have respect for those who stuck with it for so long. Take that anyway you want.

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As for achievements, I don’t know how many I actually have, nor do I care.

When I raised this particular forum issue with my guildmates, to get more feedback, the response was an immediate 1 of 2 reactions:

1) What? There’s a leaderboard?
2) Leaderboard? Oh that? I have no idea where it even is.

As for GW1 titles/arrogance? When I notice titles, which is rare, and I see “God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals”, my only reaction is: oh, it’s someone who spent a lot of time in GW1. Nothing more. Nothing less. I’m glad it is meaningful for them.

My guild does not use titles because they aren’t amusing enough in combination with the right name. Others may have found differently.

I understand this is apparently a concern for some players. In perspective, I don’t find anything out of line, ANet has been open about caring about their loyal players since before release (see: names brought over).

Well said Goldenwing. And yeah before all the tears started flowing about this I had no idea there even was a leaderboard. Seems pointless to me and this QQfest just reinforces that thought.

Yeah remove the AP from GW1. Don’t want to be forced to play that crappy old game(they might want ot make money from this and get people to buy that game and the expansions). There are already the titles and stuff(which I don’t need since there are enough other titles from GW2 only… but that rewards should be enough for GW1 players).

Also cap the points from ALL repeatable stuff – which means cap on dailies also(not only on stuff like Agent of Entropy). This way players starting later also would have a chance to catch up since players that played from the start would reach a cap some day and not always be ahead… and you would be forced to play other parts of the game and get all the permanent achievements(like WvW and sPvP even if you got your 10k+ only from dungeons and PvE and dailies).

Luthan.5236:

Yeah remove the AP from GW1. Don’t want to be forced to play that crappy old game(they might want ot make money from this and get people to buy that game and the expansions). There are already the titles and stuff(which I don’t need since there are enough other titles from GW2 only… but that rewards should be enough for GW1 players).

Also cap the points from ALL repeatable stuff – which means cap on dailies also(not only on stuff like Agent of Entropy). This way players starting later also would have a chance to catch up since players that played from the start would reach a cap some day and not always be ahead… and you would be forced to play other parts of the game and get all the permanent achievements(like WvW and sPvP even if you got your 10k+ only from dungeons and PvE and dailies).

Wrong thread. We’re talking about removing the leaderboards, not the HoM reward points. I agree that infinite achievement points make the entire system basically pointless – which brings me back to “remove the leaderboard for a pointless system.”

Vayne.8563:

I wouldn’t mind seeing them gone…but then some people like them. I don’t really see the purpose of dailies and HoM rewards are counted though.

And exactly due to discussions like that Leaderboards should be removed. As long as they exist people will agrue over whether some achievements should be worth more or less than others (with opinions usually depending on whose achievements the each arguing person posess).

Astralporing.1957:

Vayne.8563:

I wouldn’t mind seeing them gone…but then some people like them. I don’t really see the purpose of dailies and HoM rewards are counted though.

And exactly due to discussions like that Leaderboards should be removed. As long as they exist people will agrue over whether some achievements should be worth more or less than others (with opinions usually depending on whose achievements the each arguing person posess).

Exactly. Achievements are all in the same interface, yet some people who don’t want to or can’t acquire certain ones will always complain that they should be worth less to those who can or did earn them.

I almost forgot that the leaderboards exist actually. Personally, I have no opinion/dont care.

Removing daily completely would also be a good idea yeah. I mean there are still the rewards like laurels and for PvE daily the chance at stuff from the gem store(I often got a BL salvage kit) that are good enough rewards itself. I do dailies cause of this.

And all peole should do them because of this. Not like “hey I only need to to 5 ouf o 10+ but I’m doing everythign cause I want every single 1 achievement point” – that is stupid.

Leaderboards still can stay. But they should fix the other stuff – especially now that you get rewards for achievement points. This is more of a problem… giving rewards newer players never will reach cause they can’t get the past dailies and there is no cap.

Luthan.5236:

giving rewards newer players never will reach cause they can’t get the past dailies and there is no cap.

new players will reach them eventually.

but if you remove achievement points from dailies, you will actually be stopping them from reaching it.

Zero Tolerance.1539:

It’s always been an issue – and ppl playing for APs were talking about it before between themselves. I can easily count on someone missing 2 days while I won’t. Counting on 50 days is really not the same, trust me.

wow you’re taking this really hard. Maybe go outside? Take walks more often?
I find it always helped me when I started thinking about things like my KDR & accuray stats too much in FPS’s…

ilr.9675:

wow you’re taking this really hard. Maybe go outside? Take walks more often?
I find it always helped me when I started thinking about things like my KDR & accuray stats too much in FPS’s…

Didn’t get my post, trying to be funny. Well done my son. BTW, since when being FPS nab gives anyone qualifications to organize other ppl outdoor activities?

Read up on some stuff like rankings, competition, fair play and even ground, e-sports and all that. This game apparently had ambitions to be e-sports game. And it has ppl in development team who have no clue about leaderboards, ranking etc.

Whatever FPS game you played, did other team start with point advantage just cos they played previous release? No. You getting a picture now?

Zero Tolerance.1539:

Whatever FPS game you played, did other team start with point advantage just cos they played previous release? No. You getting a picture now?

It’s a good thing, then, that the PvP rankings were in no way affected by the HoM (and living story) PvE achievement points change.

And that GW2 is not an FPS game.

Astralporing.1957:

Zero Tolerance.1539:

Whatever FPS game you played, did other team start with point advantage just cos they played previous release? No. You getting a picture now?

It’s a good thing, then, that the PvP rankings were in no way affected by the HoM (and living story) PvE achievement points change.

And that GW2 is not an FPS game.

Really, please… It’s an example. In no ranked game in the world (well, I don’t know them all ofc) you get ranking points for anything you did in previous releases. It does not matter if it’s PvP or PvE, MMO or FPS.

Zero Tolerance.1539:

Really, please… It’s an example. In no ranked game in the world (well, I don’t know them all ofc) you get ranking points for anything you did in previous releases. It does not matter if it’s PvP or PvE, MMO or FPS.

You got those points from the day one. Nothing has really changed.
And i wouldn’t call GW2 a ranked game. It has a ranking, but it has never been a major point. Except perhaps in PvP, but those rankings, as i said, weren’t affected.

Zero Tolerance.1539:

Read up on some stuff like rankings, competition, fair play and even ground, e-sports and all that.

achievement points are none of those that you mentioned.

achievement points are, achievement points.

Zero Tolerance.1539:

ilr.9675:

wow you’re taking this really hard. Maybe go outside? Take walks more often?
I find it always helped me when I started thinking about things like my KDR & accuray stats too much in FPS’s…

Didn’t get my post, trying to be funny. Well done my son. BTW, since when being FPS nab gives anyone qualifications to organize other ppl outdoor activities?

Read up on some stuff like rankings, competition, fair play and even ground, e-sports and all that. This game apparently had ambitions to be e-sports game. And it has ppl in development team who have no clue about leaderboards, ranking etc.

Whatever FPS game you played, did other team start with point advantage just cos they played previous release? No. You getting a picture now?

To be fair, PvE was never meant to be esports, only SPvP was…and that’s a whole different subset of the game. The PvE leaderboard has nothing to do with esports (as much as I agree with your other concerns).