Guild Wars 2

Hi ANet,

I understand that the WURM / TEQ timings conflicted with trying to organise a massive event of people to be able to kill one or the other – and changing the timings of one of the other events was needed.

We have been running a EU Teq kill on a US Server (Jade Quarry) at server time : 1pm. This was only possible with the help of people across all of Europe who resided on a US Server (many guesters took part across the US Servers and came to Jade Quarry) – and took a very long time to setup and establish this kill slot. We are still educating many individuals who have never been killing TEQ or know what to do.
We know from our own guild that this will affect many individuals and they will no longer be able to participate if we shift it forward 1hr or back 1 hr.

We are currently examining both options of server time: 12:00pm (kill) / 2pm (kill) – neither of these would allow sufficient numbers for guildies that used to be able to participate to take part in this event.
(12pm server kill = 8pm UK, 9pm France/Germany, 10pm Russia : Too early for many UK peeps to attend get to the org phase for 7pm.
2pm server kill= 10pm UK, 11pm France/Germany,Midnight Russia: Too late for many Western Europeans to participate.
Previously it was 12pm (server time) ORG Time – 1pm (server time) Kill)

There are many guilds which have already organised kills around Tequatl – If possible could we move the WURM timing (as this event is being done less frequently) than Tequatl (and reset TEQ timing back).

Given that there are very few EU organised suitable timings for people on NA Servers this shifting of the event may have now put the nail in the coffin of being able to organise this event moving forward for EU People on NA Servers.

Please – look at this, if at all possible and shift the WURM time instead of the TEQ time.

Many Thanks,
A New Home [MYTH]

I agree, TEQ kills from our guild was the thing that was keeping me logging in every evening, even when I don’t have much time. TEQ kill was for me at 1am, organization was starting at midnight, so I was going to bed at 1:30 AM or even later. It’s already too late, but I was there to help my guild and my server. Now, as Home said, noon servertime spawn is too early for UK so guild won’t organize it at this time, but next one is at 2am my local time, and I obviously can’t stay that late every day.

I know, NA server was made for US people mostly and if I want to do events for my local time I should go to EU server, but I won’t leave server with my guild and lots of friends only because of one event.

So… that’s it. I really don’t think these changes can force us to do wurm instead, you just leaving little group of players without part of content, which is sad.

So…. a one hour time difference is game breaking for you? On a related note, why should Anet make major shifts in scheduling because one or two people are inconvenienced? What about the 150 people who now can do both Wurm and Teq back to back? This change is a blessing.

This is about more than 1-2 people being affected.
The ability to do the TEQ → Wurm was the reason for the change – we understand that.

What we were asking for is the Wurm to have been changed rather than the TEQ timing.
Some of the better guilds were already planning TEQ → Wurm runs based on the same spawn time within the same hour. This is as they can escort the NPCs slowly to first get a fast TEQ Kill then do the Wurm straight after with no wait.
(There is no 45 min wait, its non-stop action – now they have to wait 45 mins before they can start the wurm).

This isnt about a few players being inconvienced as it also affects many other servers who had established TEQ kill times.

The only saving grace – Is how daylight saving times may take effect soon. Not sure how this changes the time slot : this may make it work if server time stays the same and the local times of individuals stay the same.

But its a few weeks before all this takes effect across all time-zones.

Kinda have to agree here…. figured wurm would have changed since Teq has ben around longer…. ah well, looks like less sleep for me

Forgive me, but I’m still not sure what the issue is. Here’s how I understand it

Hour 1 – Tequatl
Hour 2 – Wurm
Hour 3 – Tequatl
Hour 4 – Wurm

This is how the events have been updated, right?

Please yes!

/15chars

The issue is not the alternating of the events – thats fine for clock timers.
What the thing is how it affets local-times for the kill – previously for teq this was:

SERVER TIME….LOCAL TIME……………………….COUNTRY
12:00-13:00…………20:00-21:00 (GMT)………….Uk
12:00-13:00…………21:00-22:00 (GMT+1)………France/Germany
12:00-13:00…………22:00-23:00 (GMT+2)………Norway/Russia/Romania
- This server-time/local time allows these 3 locals to play and achieve a teq kill.
Most players were up later in the evening allowing people to get back home from work and take part on a NA Server as a group of EU People together for the TEQ Kill.
The 12:00 time is the organisation start phase which allowed UK Invididuals just enough time to get back from work, get dinner and play with others.

Now.. it shifts to:
[A] – Earlier Slot:
SERVER TIME….LOCAL TIME……………………….COUNTRY
11:00-12:00…………19:00-20:00 (GMT)………….Uk
11:00-12:00…………20:00-21:00 (GMT+1)………France/Germany
11:00-12:00…………21:00-22:00 (GMT+2)………Norway/Russia/Romania
→ This puts pressure on UK Invididuals with jobs (they cannot get home/sorted) before the event starts to help organise.

or [B] Later Slot:
SERVER TIME….LOCAL TIME……………………….COUNTRY
13:00-14:00…………21:00-22:00 (GMT)………….Uk
13:00-14:00…………22:00-23:00 (GMT+1)………France/Germany
13:00-14:00…………23:00-00:00 (GMT+2)………Norway/Russia/Romania
→ This then becomes a very late slot for individuals in France/Russia (possibly too late).

The problem is more acute for an EU Time-slot on a NA Server – now thats the above explained in the most simple form I can make it.

This is all before Summer-Time clocks kick in…..
Now if Server Time does not adjust this will rectify it-self at the end of the month when local time-clocks move:
[A] – Earlier Slot becomes [D]:
SERVER TIME….LOCAL TIME……………………….COUNTRY
11:00-12:00…………20:00-21:00 (GMT+1)………….Uk
11:00-12:00…………21:00-22:00 (GMT+2)………France/Germany
11:00-12:00…………22:00-23:00 (GMT+3)………Norway/Russia/Romania
- Note: GMT+1 is British Summer Time or Daylight Savings Time
→ Everything is back as it was, and everyone is happy.

If the Server-time Adjusts then we have the problem with [A] or [B] – either too late or too early.

This is why the question is asked:
Q) Does the Server-Time adjust in relation to the Local Time zones?
- We are trying to understand the effect this will have before rescheduling this event.

I thought the server time was affected by us daylight savings. I remember it being really confusing for a few weeks with our GM.

Anyway, yeah the shift makes established events tricky, while frankly no one really wants to do the wurm because it’s so much work training and teaching people how to do content we aren’t even sure how to approach ourselves. Especially when it proves to be be like pulling crocodile teeth to find volunteers for keystone type roles during these events.

Also many don’t see the rewards for succeeding in these tougher encounters as worth the effort invested, compared to the trains. Same issue with harder dungeons vs a string of easy ones.

Would be nice to not have to spoon feed how to do something to lazy people, but this isn’t the place for that discussion.

Hopefully a good middle ground can be reached, sooner rather than later.

Found the answer to the question: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Reset-Time-Daylight-Savings-Time – Don’t PANIC !!

It looks like on the 30th MARCH:
[A] – Earlier Slot becomes [D]:
SERVER TIME….LOCAL TIME……………………….COUNTRY
11:00-12:00…………20:00-21:00 (GMT+1)………….Uk
11:00-12:00…………21:00-22:00 (GMT+2)………France/Germany
11:00-12:00…………22:00-23:00 (GMT+3)………Norway/Russia/Romania
– Note: GMT+1 is British Summer Time or Daylight Savings Time
? Everything is back as it was, and everyone is happy.

Seems ANET May have been planning ahead for us all !
They love us all really !

As a daily organiser for Teq on my server I must agree that only the Wurm had to be changed. The fact that the LA events that spawn at xx:00 (and the LS events before this end at xx:50) I find it difficult at this time to properly put together a kill for Teq. I know it’s temporary but come on.. give us a bone here.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

So…. a one hour time difference is game breaking for you? On a related note, why should Anet make major shifts in scheduling because one or two people are inconvenienced? What about the 150 people who now can do both Wurm and Teq back to back? This change is a blessing.

Then Wurm could have been shifted instead of Teq. I honestly don’t even know of any server that is actively doing wurm. ArenaNet probably thought that since Teq/wurm were on the same timer that was the reason wurm wasn’t getting done. The real reason is because ArenaNet decided, poorly I might add, to develop content for the hardcore players and due to the poor rewards and massive amount of effort it simply isn’t worth doing.

Distaste.4801:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

So…. a one hour time difference is game breaking for you? On a related note, why should Anet make major shifts in scheduling because one or two people are inconvenienced? What about the 150 people who now can do both Wurm and Teq back to back? This change is a blessing.

Then Wurm could have been shifted instead of Teq. I honestly don’t even know of any server that is actively doing wurm. ArenaNet probably thought that since Teq/wurm were on the same timer that was the reason wurm wasn’t getting done. The real reason is because ArenaNet decided, poorly I might add, to develop content for the hardcore players and due to the poor rewards and massive amount of effort it simply isn’t worth doing.

Absolutely 100% correct.
Edit: For example after Teq we go straight for the Karka kill. If the Wurm get’s scaled down to Teq difficulty I see people rushing for it after Southsun. It would be a nice triple kill. But the wurm is way to hard and unrewarding even I don’t bother with it.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

So…. a one hour time difference is game breaking for you? On a related note, why should Anet make major shifts in scheduling because one or two people are inconvenienced? What about the 150 people who now can do both Wurm and Teq back to back? This change is a blessing.

It’s not the time shift that is making established raids hard, it’s the fact that Teq has been an odd hour spawn since it’s inception → wurm is the newest content and therfore should have been changed to the even hour leaving Teq as he always was.

The LA spawn time matching up with Teq is also a major killer as people are busy getting achievs and killing scarlet to be bothered coming to a teq run. Things may stabalize once this portion of LS is over and DLS kicks in.

Late night guys I feel you , I really do. I know I essentially just became usless unless I manage to get online by 10pm CDT (rare these days) =p

I do not understand the problem fully. As soon as summer time starts in Europe all is the same like now. How did you solve the problem with summer time and standard time until now?