There is only ONE slot for an infusion in the ascended rings, (all trinkets actually). If you think I’m going to waste time overwriting one just to see if more will appear… well.. not!
I seriously sense a troll…. especially since all you do is tell us… and won’t show..
What Henry is talking about is attuned rings which I believe require either unlocking tier two of the fractal mastery or completing various levels of fractals to get the mats to do it.
There is only ONE slot for an infusion in the ascended rings, (all trinkets actually). If you think I’m going to waste time overwriting one just to see if more will appear… well.. not!
I seriously sense a troll…. especially since all you do is tell us… and won’t show..
What Henry is talking about is attuned rings which I believe require either unlocking tier two of the fractal mastery or completing various levels of fractals to get the mats to do it.
Yes but they are for agony resistance… and NOT for the WvW infusions he’s trying to make us believe they will take.
I’m missing something. You could only put utility infusions into an amulet before. They changed the name, but that’s all you can put there now as well. So, no change other than the name. ???
It was also possible to put versatile infusions.
yea it was, but not anymore. The Neck slot is now worthless when only considering Agony.
I dont understand this move really, it was the first easy ascended that all players could obtain and get a +5 base AR going.
The Potion change is nice, but I do not want to have to rely on a consumable to make up for the +7 loss.
Much easier(but possibly more expensive) to get higher AR in all the other slots though.
There is only ONE slot for an infusion in the ascended rings, (all trinkets actually). If you think I’m going to waste time overwriting one just to see if more will appear… well.. not!
I seriously sense a troll…. especially since all you do is tell us… and won’t show..
What Henry is talking about is attuned rings which I believe require either unlocking tier two of the fractal mastery or completing various levels of fractals to get the mats to do it.
Yes but they are for agony resistance… and NOT for the WvW infusions he’s trying to make us believe they will take.
Here is what the patch notes say.
Offensive, defensive, and agony infusions are now simply known as infusions, and any infusion can be slotted into any infusion slot.
I think maybe the wiki has not caught up yet. I don’t have any attuned rings to look in game because I rarely do fractals and have little interest in them.
Balance? What balance? Stupid PVE fractal? Or WHAT? That +5 ability and 1% def or dam are not an earthquake, but far better than utility kitten! I have no need agony, gold or magic find, I have 2 mill. karma and I lost 25 laurels! And force to log in or play what I would not like to play!
Madness… they have some creatives in this? Or any sane game developer? It looks like only kittens worked on this kitten idea!
Did i miss something or….
You can put your Infuisions now in the Rings, i have 3 WVW Infusions in every Ring, it also should work with every other Kind of Infusion
There is only ONE slot for an infusion in the ascended rings, (all trinkets actually). If you think I’m going to waste time overwriting one just to see if more will appear… well.. not!
I seriously sense a troll…. especially since all you do is tell us… and won’t show..
What Henry is talking about is attuned rings which I believe require either unlocking tier two of the fractal mastery or completing various levels of fractals to get the mats to do it.
Yes but they are for agony resistance… and NOT for the WvW infusions he’s trying to make us believe they will take.
Here is what the patch notes say.
Offensive, defensive, and agony infusions are now simply known as infusions, and any infusion can be slotted into any infusion slot.
I think maybe the wiki has not caught up yet. I don’t have any attuned rings to look in game because I rarely do fractals and have little interest in them.
Thank you! Yes I didn’t read all the patch notes… so as it stands it sounds like he is correct. But then again at the end of the day it will be no use to me since I don’t do fractals.. I still have a bunch of infusions that I can’t do anything with… sigh
…. and it’s looking like now I have to play other parts of the game once again just to get extra goodies for the one part I like the most… arg … ah well, I’ll just do without the extra slots… and cross fingers that ANet actually listens to some of the people in this thread.
It was a stupid decision to force ppl to play pve.
Yes, when I complained about being forced to play WvW for PvE rewards (the mapping title and that spoon, for examples), WvW players in droves told me to just suck it up and do the content.
Yeah. Yet another change that Anet did not think through. I would rather have the laurels. And where do you get enrichment infusions? They aren’t in the Laurel Merchant in WvW
All pve merchants have them, wvw has no discount (+ badges of honour) mode for them, i guess hence they are forgotten in npc list.
Legendary weapons can be hidden now!
No excuse anymore for not giving ‘hide mounts’-option
No thanks to unidentified weapons.
Balance? What balance? Stupid PVE fractal? Or WHAT? That +5 ability and 1% def or dam are not an earthquake, but far better than utility kitten! I have no need agony, gold or magic find, I have 2 mill. karma and I lost 25 laurels! And force to log in or play what I would not like to play!
Madness… they have some creatives in this? Or any sane game developer? It looks like only kittens worked on this kitten idea!
Tbh if you are not logging in you are not even playing so what’s the issue?
Since when did this business of being a hero become being a business?
There is only ONE slot for an infusion in the ascended rings, (all trinkets actually). If you think I’m going to waste time overwriting one just to see if more will appear… well.. not!
I seriously sense a troll…. especially since all you do is tell us… and won’t show..
and the agony ones take agony resistance infusions…
Search for Attuned or Infused on the Wiki to find the rest.
However, you have a point that you now have to play PvE content (fractals) to get them. I’ve made the same argument in reverse (I’m a PvE-only player), so I sympathize. (Which is a lot better than I received from the WvW crowd.)
But, if you want ANet to change this, I suggest a heck of a lot better attitude.
However, the communication and explanation around the change is confusing and I feel done very poorly. Even if you understand the system, reading the patch notes didn’t convey anything understandable. For years the 6 different meanings of “infusion” has been nothing but confusing. Trying to explain to someone how to use infusions was an exercise in futility. Even if this change might make that better, the opportunity for a clear and easy to understand explanation of the system was lost.
Yes but they are for agony resistance… and NOT for the WvW infusions he’s trying to make us believe they will take.
There are exactly two kinds of infusions now: infusions and enrichments. All slots (except 1) now take ALL infusions. The sole exception is the amulet slot, which only takes enrichments.
And, if you’re less belligerent, they might even add a feature to change its type.
Much easier(but possibly more expensive) to get higher AR in all the other slots though.
Yeah, a little. I never swapped out my magic-find infusion, so it took me 11s, 12s, and 13s to get to 149 (which now seems to be all you need, according to the new interface?)
But, I can’t swap weapons yet. So, I’m going to port my +7s over to new weapons once they become overkill.
And, if you’re less belligerent, they might even add a feature to change its type.
His belligerence is understandable. If you had experienced the bs ANET has thrown at WvW players ever since launch you would understand and probably react the same way. This is just another slap in the face added to a huge list of slights from ANET.
Walk a mile in someone’s shoes before you condemn them.
Tbh if you are not logging in you are not even playing so what’s the issue
I expect for this demagogy!
For examle here is the summer, good time, outdoor activities and not everybody is a great all-day cubehead… So the issue is that 20-30 laurel requires 1-2 month to gather up, dependent of your choices, and after that I still can’t purcase any useful… Lvl 80 chars, no need karma, gold or any other kitten.
I think maybe the wiki has not caught up yet. I don’t have any attuned rings to look in game because I rarely do fractals and have little interest in them.
Yeah, but to get a ring attuned, it only costs money, a +1 agony infusion (which you can buy for a dime on the TP), and 1/10 of a spirit shard. (Just don’t forget to remove the infusions before you make one.)
Now, to get the third slot on a ring (or the second one on a back piece), you have to infuse them. And, unfortunately for WvW-only and PvP-only folks, that requires time in fractals.
In effect, all amulets are now “utility infusion only” — they just call it “enhancement slot” instead.
Whatever bonus you had from other types of defensive/offensive infusions can be replaced or modified with the other slots. The amulet might have been ‘nerfed’ but our ability to buff was enhanced.
John Smith: “you should kill monsters, because killing monsters is awesome.”
Let’s not degrade to personal shots… Nothing I posted was nonsense… Some was incorrect it seems because the slot assignments were changed.. but you still have to do fractals to get the extra infusion slots and that sucks.. As I noted above, I will simply have to stop worrying about it since I don’t do fractals… Hopefully ANet will give us something nice in place of the infusions we can’t use anymore.
Please forgive me. I let my emotions get the better of me. Considering I made exactly the same argument in reverse in the past, I should know better.
Yes, infusing them requires fractals. But, attuning rings doesn’t. I’m not sure if those two slots are valuable to you WvW and PvP people or not. ???
To make up for my insult, I offer to personally escort you through the first 10 fractals. Just ping me in-game and mention who you are. It will take a couple weeks, though. 10 fractals would be at least a start on your quest for enough mojo to infuse something.
There is only ONE slot for an infusion in the ascended rings, (all trinkets actually). If you think I’m going to waste time overwriting one just to see if more will appear… well.. not!
I seriously sense a troll…. especially since all you do is tell us… and won’t show..
and the agony ones take agony resistance infusions…
Search for Attuned or Infused on the Wiki to find the rest.
However, you have a point that you now have to play PvE content (fractals) to get them. I’ve made the same argument in reverse (I’m a PvE-only player), so I sympathize. (Which is a lot better than I received from the WvW crowd.)
But, if you want ANet to change this, I suggest a heck of a lot better attitude.
I have the same attitude for PvE people forced into WvW to get things to enhance their preferred game play. Frankly I don’t find complaining about something that has cost me stuff in this game, and cost even a minimal amount of attributes a bad attitude.
I admit I didn’t read the release notes completely otherwise I would have known about the change in the infusion type. However, I would still not be happy with the change to the Amulet, or with the fact that I would have to do fractals in order to take advantage of the other slots that could be available. This is an attempt to get me to play a part of the game I don’t enjoy. Regardless of the game style, in my opinion it’s not right to make it so people have to go into areas they don’t like just to get things that help their game style.
You can call that a bad attitude if you want.. I call it asking to get what I have paid for in more than laurels and in game gold… :P
Let’s not degrade to personal shots… Nothing I posted was nonsense… Some was incorrect it seems because the slot assignments were changed.. but you still have to do fractals to get the extra infusion slots and that sucks.. As I noted above, I will simply have to stop worrying about it since I don’t do fractals… Hopefully ANet will give us something nice in place of the infusions we can’t use anymore.
Please forgive me. I let my emotions get the better of me. Considering I made exactly the same argument in reverse in the past, I should know better.
Yes, infusing them requires fractals. But, attuning rings doesn’t. I’m not sure if those two slots are valuable to you WvW and PvP people or not. ???
To make up for my insult, I offer to personally escort you through the first 10 fractals. Just ping me in-game and mention who you are. It will take a couple weeks, though. 10 fractals would be at least a start on your quest for enough mojo to infuse something.
lol.. nooooooooooo noooooooooooo.. oh please… run over me with a steamroller.. but don’t make me go in there for that… bahaaa… [lowering head and weeping]
Let’s not degrade to personal shots… Nothing I posted was nonsense… Some was incorrect it seems because the slot assignments were changed.. but you still have to do fractals to get the extra infusion slots and that sucks.. As I noted above, I will simply have to stop worrying about it since I don’t do fractals… Hopefully ANet will give us something nice in place of the infusions we can’t use anymore.
Please forgive me. I let my emotions get the better of me. Considering I made exactly the same argument in reverse in the past, I should know better.
Yes, infusing them requires fractals. But, attuning rings doesn’t. I’m not sure if those two slots are valuable to you WvW and PvP people or not. ???
To make up for my insult, I offer to personally escort you through the first 10 fractals. Just ping me in-game and mention who you are. It will take a couple weeks, though. 10 fractals would be at least a start on your quest for enough mojo to infuse something.
The extractor requires fractal access or gems correct? Which again doesn’t help us. Not going to bother until anet gets a clue. The 6 infusions from my toon’s amulets will just sit in storage until then. I wont fill up the empty slots in the amulets, the options are useless to me.
I have the same attitude for PvE people forced into WvW to get things to enhance their preferred game play. Frankly I don’t find complaining about something that has cost me stuff in this game, and cost even a minimal amount of attributes a bad attitude.
I admit I didn’t read the release notes completely otherwise I would have known about the change in the infusion type. However, I would still not be happy with the change to the Amulet, or with the fact that I would have to do fractals in order to take advantage of the other slots that could be available. This is an attempt to get me to play a part of the game I don’t enjoy. Regardless of the game style, in my opinion it’s not right to make it so people have to go into areas they don’t like just to get things that help their game style.
You can call that a bad attitude if you want.. I call it asking to get what I have paid for in more than laurels and in game gold… :P
I suspect they just didn’t think it completely through. It’s obvious they did think about the related topic of balance, because allowing amulets to have all types of infusions (old definition) would grant one more slot to a certain segment of players.
But, I don’t think they thought of the refunding practice. Refunding only fractal relics for agony means that the other infusions are pretty much worthless.
Perhaps a good compromise would be to grant an ability to switch ones amulet to accept the new “infusions” (but no longer accept enrichments). And, vice-versa.
So, they wouldn’t need to add a slot; just allow it to be swapped. Maybe?
Soooo… I had WvW infusions in all my amulets (10+, CBA logging all my charas to check, and getting bombarded with now-useless infusions in the mail). Is that at least 50 laurels and 1250 badges down the pan, with my only compensation some “refunded” (lol) stuff to either destroy or let idle in my bank?
Is there nobody whose job it is to think about this stuff? Or d’you just not care?
The extractor requires fractal access or gems correct? Which again doesn’t help us. Not going to bother until anet gets a clue. The 6 infusions from my toon’s amulets will just sit in storage until then. I wont fill up the empty slots in the amulets, the options are useless to me.
Cash only (24s). But, you have to go into the fractal lobby to get one. That’s free, though.
I think maybe the wiki has not caught up yet. I don’t have any attuned rings to look in game because I rarely do fractals and have little interest in them.
Yeah, but to get a ring attuned, it only costs money, a +1 agony infusion (which you can buy for a dime on the TP), and 1/10 of a spirit shard. (Just don’t forget to remove the infusions before you make one.)
If I read the wiki correctly that method also requires having unlocked fractal mastery tier 2 to acquire the Agonized Essence. I’m currently in mastery point limbo and since I don’t often do fractals I have not spent any points in the fractal track. I know that’s my personal problem but it still means I’ll have to re-earn the privilege of using my infusions. I still think the best way for Anet to solve this issue is to allow players to return the removed infusions to the vendor for a laurel refund. That way players that want to go about attuning their rings can and those that don’t can get their laurels back. People that choose the laurel refund could use the laurels toward the enrichment that now sits vacant in the amulet slot or keep them for whatever. It seems like a fair solution to me at least.
The extractor requires fractal access or gems correct? Which again doesn’t help us. Not going to bother until anet gets a clue. The 6 infusions from my toon’s amulets will just sit in storage until then. I wont fill up the empty slots in the amulets, the options are useless to me.
Cash only (24s). But, you have to go into the fractal lobby to get one. That’s free, though.
That worked, thanks. Built a two slot ring to test. Bit of a pita to do all the rings up on my different toons but I won’t have to do fractals. Good enough.
can i get plz magicfind karma gold and exp slots
for all the other items plz (rings earrings weapon armor backpiece)
because i not give a kitten about the low stat increase
because i not give a kitten about the agony resistance and fractals
because i not give a kitten about wvwvw infusions
stil waiting for those ;D and i am not joking full karma train armor would be nice cause the millions i have are not enough o.O
I do not want utility enhancements. Never have. So fine, my amulets will now have empty slots. But I also have a bunch of non-agony infusions I can’t use. My characters are fully geared. Please let me return the useless infusions for laurels. That would be a true and proper refund.
Having the attuned rings helps to offset the loss of the amulet infusion, but it still stinks to have to slog through fractals for the best stats in WvW.
I really hope that Anet will add some sort of option for the WvW players to get this that does not require playing outside WvW.
I am with the above posters that would rather suffer some form of torture before spending any amount of time doing fractals.
Having the attuned rings helps to offset the loss of the amulet infusion, but it still stinks to have to slog through fractals for the best stats in WvW.
I really hope that Anet will add some sort of option for the WvW players to get this that does not require playing outside WvW.
I am with the above posters that would rather suffer some form of torture before spending any amount of time doing fractals.
Oh I expect a new reward track to be imcoming to address this, might be a few months away tho….if not longer
Since when did this business of being a hero become being a business?
Much easier(but possibly more expensive) to get higher AR in all the other slots though.
Yeah, a little. I never swapped out my magic-find infusion, so it took me 11s, 12s, and 13s to get to 149 (which now seems to be all you need, according to the new interface?)
But, I can’t swap weapons yet. So, I’m going to port my +7s over to new weapons once they become overkill.
6*9(from 2 rings) + 12*8 is what I am going for. Not sure is that is optimal(cheapest).
If you have a 11, 12 and 13 and fully infused and attuned rings you should be able get 2 to 3 characters to 150 now.
They listed the reasoning behind this change as trying to simplify a complicated system but to be honest I spent an hour just trying to figure out how to replace the +7 agony lost on my amulet, and the amount of new items and vendor tabs introduced is so cluttery it’s very easy to get lost and confused. Fractals even at highest scale are already very easy with the HoT power creep so getting +5 to a stat to make myself more OP feels like a really unnecessary time/resource sink. Being able to skip the reagent and just craft +11 AR infusions is nice but all this other stuff is a mess.
Another innovation which is universally deplored in chat as well as here.
A large number of senior players have no use for more gold, magic find (lol), exp or karma so the only alternatives to our infusions offered to us are valueless.
Please reverse this change.
Well, it should have been like this from the start.
But “it should have been like this from the start” updates aren’t always well received. It usually depends on how the transition is done.
Remember when they removed MF from gear? Then people could at least pick the new stats for their gear.
Rather than getting a few relics backs, I would have preferred to exchange all these surplus +5 and +7 versatiles I got for +5 and +7 agony ones I can use to craft me some +9s.
Also, the enrichments need more variety, like WvW Rank, WvW Reward, PvP reward, map bonus rewards, exp from events, and map currency.
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So confusing .. more so for some of us who don’t fret over this sorta stuff.. thanks for the tips people have posted previously I was able to find a laurel vendor in LA who had compatible infusions for my amulet.. patch notes made a lot of assumptions and were WHOLLY UNHELPFUL for those of us who don’t craft and such and predominantly play wvw and not pve and don’t do fractals.
Overall, the merging of offensive/defensive was very good. It gives me more options with the gear I have. As the title suggests it’s basically the amulet. Probably giving laurels back would have made more people happy but in my situation I’m fine with getting the infusion back. I guess I’ll bump up my MF on the amulet.
Q: …is there a specific reason the amulet infusion slot has been replaced with the enrichment slot instead of just… well, having two slots? I have to get a bit more AR for 14 characters now, which is quite the hassle, just because the amulet slot is gone. Was it a technical limitation you didn’t get around reasonably or was it simply a choice?
Developer response:
A: It was a systemic limitation.
With the change to infusion slots which let players place any Infusion into any Slot, we couldn’t keep both kinds of amulets.
[it] actually takes fewer +1 Agony Infusions to get 150 AR post-patch. To get 150 AR now, you only need to make 12 +8s and 6 +9s. You don’t need +11s or +10s anymore.
If you currently have a set of +11s and +10s, you can take those to the new vendor in the Mistlock Observatory to break them down into +9s and +8s. Once you’re down breaking them down, you should have enough Infusions to get 150 AR and still have 2 +9s left over.
Q: Is there any way to add a WvW Infusion refunder for laurels since the new infusions slots now allow for any type of infusion, the defensive infusions are pretty useless now.
And the dev response:
A: No plans for that. Those infusions are still functional, even if they’re not meta, and refunding laurels is tricky because those can convert to gold.
John Smith: “you should kill monsters, because killing monsters is awesome.”
Q: …is there a specific reason the amulet infusion slot has been replaced with the enrichment slot instead of just… well, having two slots? I have to get a bit more AR for 14 characters now, which is quite the hassle, just because the amulet slot is gone. Was it a technical limitation you didn’t get around reasonably or was it simply a choice?
Developer response:
A: It was a systemic limitation.
With the change to infusion slots which let players place any Infusion into any Slot, we couldn’t keep both kinds of amulets.
[it] actually takes fewer +1 Agony Infusions to get 150 AR post-patch. To get 150 AR now, you only need to make 12 +8s and 6 +9s. You don’t need +11s or +10s anymore.
If you currently have a set of +11s and +10s, you can take those to the new vendor in the Mistlock Observatory to break them down into +9s and +8s. Once you’re down breaking them down, you should have enough Infusions to get 150 AR and still have 2 +9s left over.
Q: Is there any way to add a WvW Infusion refunder for laurels since the new infusions slots now allow for any type of infusion, the defensive infusions are pretty useless now.
And the dev response:
A: No plans for that. Those infusions are still functional, even if they’re not meta, and refunding laurels is tricky because those can convert to gold.
So… To be clear… They have players deep in their kitten once again… Thank you guys, you are great!
That is silly. In general this change is good, but for some players this change has negative consequences. And those people could complain here.
Simplifying how infusions work and how to get AR is a great change. Everyone who has ever tried to explain infusions to someone else will be happy with the change. But players who used infusions not for AR but for other things have a good reason not to be so happy. And if you have your gear complete with AR the +5 infusion you get back in your mail from the amulet is useless.
LOL I hate threads like this, and I dislike reading them. Watch this video and you will understand why, it doesn’t matter and its actually a buff not a nerf.
