Guild Wars 2

1. Have an intern or CR make a list of all the hot topics that appear on the forums.
2. Chris reviews and vets the potential topics and finalizes a list.
3. From that list, Chris/ANet chooses some (1/2x, where x is the total number of CDI’s they think are doable).
4. For the other half, they provide an in-game survey that each account can vote once.
5. Responders rate the topics (if there are eight, rate them one to eight in terms of preference). Add the totals and the lowest 1/2x are done as CDI’s.

I say 1. ANet should decide.

We all know mounts would be #1 topic if 2.

Andred.1087:

I say 1. ANet should decide.

We all know mounts would be #1 topic if 2.

Precursor crafting. And it wouldn’t be pretty.

I would love it if you guys discussed what is happening with the Mac version. The game crashes constantly in group events and wvw making it really difficult to enjoy playing. Also, there is no support in the Mac support forum.

Anet choosing the topic makes sense. Letting the forum users choose would just end up with buckets of posts about what to talk about without actually getting anywhere

I would vote to let Anet choose, because having the forum choose would just be “GIB MOUNTS PLZ” and other stuff that will never happen. I would hate the CDI to just be “I’m sorry, but we will never be doing that.”

1) Anet chooses

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Last comment I’m making on this issue:

If you all want ANet to choose the issue, fine. Just be prepared for a very large group of posters to feel angry and alienated that ANet has chosen an issue they feel is not important. This will sour the atmosphere more than it already is.

Heck, be prepared to feel that way yourself if what ANet chooses is not to your liking.

Option 2.

While there will be some more chaos with it, it will also allow ANet to see just what it is the playerbase, or at least the forum playerbase, is gunning for.

People will also just complain, when we choose and alot of people will be kittened about it, that the Com hasn’t chosen “the right topic”, so what ??

Your argument is invalid. People will just complain for the complain’s sake, because otherwise they seem to feel themself not very good, if they haven’t something they can complain about >.>

However, with ANet choosing the topic, we don’t have to waste time with any pointless polls to decide, which topic the community wants.
If ANet decides, the community will automatically focus itself onto that chosen topic. The best thing, that we all do from that moment on is then just to ADAPT to the situation and make the very best out of it. -So simple

If more people would stop to QQ like little crybabies permanently and start to adapt to situations rather to try to help as best as possible ANet to improve the current situation, then we would be already alot further.

It doesn’t help a slightest bit, when we waste now more time about deciding which topic the community wants, as this would make at the current moment the community only more toxic in itself, because everyone wants to see something completely different getting discussed next.

We have to stop wasting time with such personal issues and have finally to move this game forward and that’s done in the best way, when Anet makes up for the decision which topics get discussed. Plus, its the most unbiased solution, that is fair.

NewTrain.7549:

Last comment I’m making on this issue:

If you all want ANet to choose the issue, fine. Just be prepared for a very large group of posters to feel angry and alienated that ANet has chosen an issue they feel is not important. This will sour the atmosphere more than it already is.

Heck, be prepared to feel that way yourself if what ANet chooses is not to your liking.

I feel there is something ANet should be doing here with this thread: Being more specific. I don’t believe nashing of teeth and wailing will be any less if players get to choose anyways.

How does this process work? Are we going to be presented with a list of topics we choose from or do we get to randomly throw out topics to a thread and someone from Anet will us some criteria to kitten from that nonsense what topic we choose?

To be honest, I don’t really understand what they meant from ‘players choose’. Choose from what? How? It’s a little unfair. Some more honesty … it’s almost silly to me we are being asked this. This isn’t really the input players are wanting to provide. I think most people are simply interested in having some response to an idea or suggestion they have for some element of the game.

I choose option #2:

Topic would be ‘Making Ooze a Playable Race’ :p

Just kidding, my choice of CDI would be ‘Updating The Open World And Endgame Activities’. Basically, trying to make ALL of Tyria interesting to go back to. I mean, Mina’s Shooting Gallery still isn’t open, and the Human/Charr summit in Fields Of Ruin has been going on for 2 years!

For the first time ever, Anet is giving you the choise to choose a CDI topic of our interest and you vote for option 1? Just like it was before? Is it just becouse you can’t handle and wait for a little discussion on whether our concerns are legitimate or not or whether they can be talked about or not? Seriously, they’ve been postponing or not even working on so many features the community as a whole actually wants. What a missed opportunity to raise them at least some alarms and maybe, just maybe change that, but… nope.
I don’t see this, realistically, as something they can potentially do, but something we want them to do, if you know what I mean, what a pity.

narwhalsbend.7059:

I would vote to let Anet choose, because having the forum choose would just be “GIB MOUNTS PLZ” and other stuff that will never happen. I would hate the CDI to just be “I’m sorry, but we will never be doing that.”

Actually when someone posts a thread about what do you want to see in game mounts rarely appear. Mostly the things people ask for is new zones, classes, weapons, skills – that sort of thing.

Telemin.7380:

You pick them, I believe if you do that, there will be a greater chance at results being shown.

Agreed.

I choose #1 Anet chooses.

If that doesn’t go, then #2 Dungeons.

You better choose.

If we choose, we’ll probably pick something you a are not… prepared to talk for now. If ANet chooses the topic, it’ll be more likely to be something that may be worked on.

Is it me or does it seem like every other post in this thread is someone stating what he/she thinks is wrong or wants instead of discussing the ACTUAL topic of how to choose the topics for future CDIs?

honestly? despite what the community as a whole seems to think:
you(anet as a whole) are better game designers and programmers than we are. i’d rather Anet listen to, but not rely, on player feed back. D3 made that mistake.

NewTrain.7549:

Last comment I’m making on this issue:

If you all want ANet to choose the issue, fine. Just be prepared for a very large group of posters to feel angry and alienated that ANet has chosen an issue they feel is not important. This will sour the atmosphere more than it already is.

Heck, be prepared to feel that way yourself if what ANet chooses is not to your liking.

im thinking if all they see is we dont want it they will decide not to implement such idea. i just want the cdis to be a throw around of ideas. i think id like anet to throw out several ideas and have us choose which one we would want. even negative feedback can be good feedback

NewTrain.7549:

Last comment I’m making on this issue:

If you all want ANet to choose the issue, fine. Just be prepared for a very large group of posters to feel angry and alienated that ANet has chosen an issue they feel is not important. This will sour the atmosphere more than it already is.

Heck, be prepared to feel that way yourself if what ANet chooses is not to your liking.

The potential for a large group of players to feel angry and alienated exists no matter what method is chosen. My reason for preferring that Anet choose is simply because I think that this whole process is very fragile right now and the potential fall out of having a topic chosen by popular vote be something that they cannot talk about right now seems huge. Possibly the deathknell of the entire CDI relaunch.

Something chosen by Anet, ideally with some attention having been paid to what some of the more popular discussion topics have been on the forums, reddit, etc means something they can talk about at length. If its already something that we talk about as players then I think it has a good possibility of being a win/win.

If the first topic goes well then perhaps the process will have some momentum and move on to player chosen topics later.

Not saying you are wrong, just wanted to put it out there that the preference for Anet to choose is not necessarily a sign of laziness or disinterest in coming up with a topic of our (if others’ reasoning is similar to mine) own.

Basic vote: ANet chooses.

Advanced vote: ANet chooses three to five topics, then the players decide which of those we go with.

If the players pick from any and all topics, there’s a very real chance that the topic picked will be something that can’t be worked with very well right now. The CDI won’t generate any real results, and it will seem like a big waste of time all around.

ANet chooses. They know what may be possible to do and at least keep it from becoming a shouting match down here.

Relshdan.6854:

lol…so Anet will choose.

wow….this player-base is so passive aggressive. instead of stating what you want, you wait for them to not do what you want, so you can complain.

I thought of this, too. Although, I haven’t looked to see who has voted what, namely certain accounts voting for choice one. That would be dishonorable.

Khenzy.9348:

For the first time ever, Anet is giving you the choise to choose a CDI topic of our interest and you vote for option 1? Just like it was before? Is it just becouse you can’t handle and wait for a little discussion on whether our concerns are legitimate or not or whether they can be talked about or not? Seriously, they’ve been postponing or not even working on so many features the community as a whole actually wants. What a missed opportunity to raise them at least some alarms and maybe, just maybe change that, but… nope.
I don’t see this, realistically, as something they can potentially do, but something we want them to do, if you know what I mean, what a pity.

Actually, it is not the first time ever. In some of the other CDIs, the playerbase was allowed to choose. It took some time to come to a consensus, but a consensus was achieved, and the topic for the CDI chosen.

I prefer to waive that extra time, and let the Devs choose a topic they feel invested in, where we might see some results in a more timely manner. But, that’s just me. =)

Please pick the topics, I don’t think we as a community can really agree in one topic that needs to be discussed.

Considering how fruitful the past CDI’s have been. I’m really happy it’s back.

People don’t feel like THEIR choice will be made so they attack the other players….. If you want to see selfishness look at all these players (You don’t vote like me your lazy/dishonorable/stupid/wasting time/blahblahblahblahbalh) welcome to a democracy. Your ideas aren’t the best just because they come out of your mouth. Follow the rules of the post (which is obviously something you can’t even do) stop trying to derail the conversation. Voice your opinion in another post.
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SOME people annoy me trying to mask your selfishness as “good intentions” I won’t be starting an argument with anyone. Feel free to reply but don’t expect an answer. Follow the post discussion! 1 or 2 very simple. Stop trying to derail the conversation! ( I shouldn’t even respond to them but man that is frustrating!)

To be honest. After thinking about this more I don’t really see the point in bringing the CDI back. Mainly because im not satisfied at all from the progress made on CDI’s. The only thing we’ve seen really made progress on is the living story, which isn’t surprising.

The Commander Tag CDI did absolutely nothing within the time it was out. We did waste 25 pages of conversation to have 4 new colors and account bound functionality. Whats to say anything else we will discuss will be any different? On top of that, we knew the colored commander tags existed months and months and months ago, through datamining. So what was actually going on in the mean time?

1: Anet chooses.

i’ll just drop my vote here.

as many others have mentioned, anet probably knows best what they need to do.

As much as I’d like players to choose a topic, the amount of complaining by all the people who ‘were not chosen’ would drown out any advantage from those that did have the question chosen.

cough SAB cough

Better for Anet to choose. Besides, I’d rather you respond seriously to solicited questions than reply ‘we can’t disclose this information at this time’ 42 times in a row in response to unsolicited questions.

ANet will definitely need to choose. But what they could do is that, every week, they put up a list of the 5 most popular topics and then get the community to vote for what they’d like to see discussed next week. That way players still feel like they get some say in what happens.

Zaxares.5419:

ANet will definitely need to choose. But what they could do is that, every week, they put up a list of the 5 most popular topics and then get the community to vote for what they’d like to see discussed next week. That way players still feel like they get some say in what happens.

Hi,

I also believe that this is the best solution.

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1. Anet chooses

But it better be good. We don’t need another CDI about CDI’s or about Living Story.

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Hi All,

The CDI is starting up again. How would you like the topic/s to be chosen for this round.

Here are you options for now:

1: Anet chooses.
2: You list your number 1 topic and the one with the must number of votes wins.

Note: This isn’t a call for topics just asking how to pick them(-:

Chris

I already posted this in thread that Colin started, BUT I want to give it maximum attention so I will post here as well.

Chris, your CDI is fantastic idea, but it lacks like you said in many threads, a better way to communicate between devs and community. I don’t know if you heard of them or even played their games if you had enough free time, but they are called Amplitude Studios and they have their own CDI from the start of their company, indeed they are using that concept for more then 3 years, and they have benefited from it greatly.
I’ll give you link since it will be much easier to see what I mean

http://endless-space.amplitude-studios.com/G2G-Votes2

Not only does community vote on art, units, content, but they also vote what feature should get in the game. I think this is a great platform, and given the Anet resource it could be made even better. This way devs give options that they can talk about, and community gets to vote on what we should discuss . I call this win win situatiuon.
You “only” need to create platform where fans can vote on the topic

Cheers, I hope this will give you some ideas on how to improve CDI, and keep up the good work

I prefer to choose the subject, but the No. 1 parrait not hurt me at first.

Lots of interesting items would be addressed:

*Dungeons.
*évents
*Raids
*Expansion
*The mechanisms under water
*Weapons for all
*The changing environment
*the crafts
*Precursors
*The mini-games
*puzzles
*The disappearance of the sab
*PvP
*WvW
*The desires of RP (residential, exploration, emotes, mischief of megaserveur, an evolution of the environment, day and night, weather, armor has to develop a truly integrated the universe. Developed cities and information races. codex bestiary, and point interrets. customizing the character (hair, beard, additions to the races, as tatoo, etc.))

And it is also discussing your need equipment to do it?

Arena net should chose. Because that way the comunity will argue less and Arena net knows what people are interested at any given time.

like the CDIs gonna change something…

A-net Chooses

+ a suggestion from us.

Our suggestion could be guidance of what to think about for an upcomming CDI (as long as it doesnt involve A-nets first choice).

papryk.6273:

like the CDIs gonna change something…

U have to be on top of the special people list to not notice the changes made according to what ppl said in CDIs. They didn’t do all of them for obvious reasons even a dead horse could understand, but they did do a big part of them.

As for choosing..i say do it like this:

Anet makes a list of what they think should be discussed, and from that list of max 5 topics we vote on the one we want to discuss atm. Voting can be done via straw voting. This way everyone wins.

PS. That list should NOT evade “important for the community” topics like expansions, precursors, Cantha…RAIDS and things like these…because these topics are the ones that have been on the mind of the community since the start without any answer or foreseeable answer which naturally leads to the lack of transparency feeling.

If WE (anet+community) fail to communicate on the topics above stated, that have had hundreds of topics created each, it will either keep the no-transparency-feeling or make it worst REGARDLESS of how many CDIs u do. U have to take responsibility over the community demands and give straight answers….not evade answers. Evading means no transparency instantly.

It’s about time u guys stop doing what u think is right for the game and start listening to what your community thinks is right for the game. If a huge part of the community wants/is interested in something u need to heavily discus THAT something, not evade it.

How about we do a minion coin flip?

Let a golem attack a target
If it attacks: Anet chooses
If it stops to smell the roses: Community vote.

^^

But seriously i think the community should choose, but that would delay the process so I would prefer Anet to choose…..

(WvW XD)

1. Anet chooses. Because it will make no difference what we say, post or do here, unless this round of CDI is actually listened to. On previous performance, it will be a complete waste of time.

Telemin.7380:

You pick them, I believe if you do that, there will be a greater chance at results being shown.

This.

(1) SAB
(2) Trading Post
(3) Mobile Gameplay

1: Anet chooses.

I vote for number one “Anet chooses” because there’s the best chance of something useful coming of it: if we vote for “popular” topics then there is no guarantee that anything will ever be used because our “biggest issue” may not even be a concern for Anet.

I would propose that ANet Chooses

As the CDI is a Development Tool, only a Developer would have the wherewithal to know what topic would best assist in a particular development process.

Though the player side of the community has some great ideas in the brainstorming area, they are mostly clueless in the viability of potential implementation. Only the Devs have a competent take on:

• cost of development
• human resources available
• constraints imposed by NCSoft
• limitations of the game engine…

I do understand that any limitation of the brainstorming process has the chance of limiting creativity, but there just has to be some channeling of the community’s genius toward the greater good.

So I think the people in the know(Devs), are going to have to be the ones setting the parameters/direction THEN let us loose to explore

Pifil.5193:

1: Anet chooses.

I vote for number one “Anet chooses” because there’s the best chance of something useful coming of it: if we vote for “popular” topics then there is no guarantee that anything will ever be used because our “biggest issue” may not even be a concern for Anet.

I would even go as far as to say that Anet has consistently ignored some of the largest concerns of the community. So yes, by all means let them choose them selves. Otherwise, what would be the point?

While I know Anet won’t pick something I’d like to see, I also know that leaving it to us to vote would be equally bad (nerf warriors, mounts, adding grind, etc would win). You choose Anet, you choose.

The only way that this works in the current situation is that Anet picks the topics. If the playerbase chooses the topic (either from the communities list (true choice) or from Arenanet’s list (illusory choice) either of these creates the illusion of collaboration, which will only lead to a downward spiral once the ‘we can’t discuss this’ card is played.

Arenanet can call this a Collaborative Initiative, but in reality it isn’t. This is a focus group making requests on how to be fed content. As a group, there will be synergy by putting our heads together in cooperative manner with the devs, however, Arenanet holds all the cards in this game. No matter how awesome the ideas, they have final choice of implementation. This is not a bad thing, just a statement of facts.

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Hi All,

The CDI is starting up again. How would you like the topic/s to be chosen for this round.

Here are you options for now:

1: Anet chooses.
2: You list your number 1 topic and the one with the must number of votes wins.

Note: This isn’t a call for topics just asking how to pick them(-:

Chris

i want anet to choose the topic

reasons: if it is a player chosen topic, you (devs) would know (or at least get a feeling of) what the community whants most and can be sure of a hype participation (i assume) cause its a community driven topic.
on the other hand, if anet chooses the topic, we player get a feeling of what you are working on and where you (devs) feel the need for community help, which i believe is far more productive than a topic needed but far way down the road.

if really used as such, this is a perfect way to tell and talk about upcoming features and players get a hang of the moving direction.