The Cure For Gold Seller Messaging?

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Posted by: KStudios.2850

KStudios.2850

A proposal to Anet on a viable, and relatively simple, method to cull the accessibility of gold sellers to their target audience (namely the hapless player masses afk’ing in Divinity’s Reach). The solution would be to employ a personal message reviewing system if the player in question toggled it via their options menu. Once activated, all incoming personal messages will have to accepted, declined, etc by the player receiving them. Also of note, if the player is not there to receive said message, as in is actually afk, the message prompt will automatically “decline” after a set time (say like 3 mins or something). With no harm or foul to either the sender nor receiver. As an example, the pop-up prompt could appear something like below:

“(Player name) has sent you a personal message: [Accept] [Decline] [Block Player] [Always Allow This Player]”

I’m really kind of at my wits end on this issue. I afk’ed off and on while doing laundry the other day, and in that two and a half hour time span received no less than a dozen gold seller PM’s in Divinity’s Reach. We all block and report them, but it seems to do us little good. While I’m certain the folks in the Anet Dev team are doing whatever they can to cull the tide of “Hace a nice day!” ’s the average player receives, their efforts seem futile in the wake of the sheer numbers of sellers.

Yumiko Togashii
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Posted by: Just a flesh wound.3589

Just a flesh wound.3589

I love getting gold seller messages.

Report. Report. Report. Report.

HA! Take that, you thief of stolen accounts! I hope you lost money today and I’m glad to be the one that cost you if you did.

Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.

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Posted by: Yumiko Ishida.3769

Yumiko Ishida.3769

I don’t know what DR you are in, but the ones I’m in the afkers are legitimate players (albiet mostly RPers and just goofballs) I had maybe one or two gold seller occasionally but don’t be going on a witch hunt just because we stand around on the statue!

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Posted by: Inculpatus cedo.9234

Inculpatus cedo.9234

I’m not sure what the advantage is, other than one? less click? Maybe two. A player would still be spammed with messages, just a different message.

I suppose it is all about the number of clicks. It’s kind of amusing how we find clicking a button taxing nowadays.

Good luck on your suggestion.

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Posted by: KStudios.2850

KStudios.2850

I’m not sure what the advantage is, other than one? less click? Maybe two. A player would still be spammed with messages, just a different message.

I suppose it is all about the number of clicks. It’s kind of amusing how we find clicking a button taxing nowadays.

Good luck on your suggestion.

It’s not the clicking that’s the issue, it’s the chat box obstructing eyesore that is the gold seller’s sales pitch. Over, and over, and over…

Yumiko Togashii
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Posted by: Inculpatus cedo.9234

Inculpatus cedo.9234

Instead, the multi-line ‘(Player Name) has sent….’ message. Spam is spam. /shrug

Again, good luck.

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Posted by: BrooksP.4318

BrooksP.4318

Or that reporting gold sellers=auto ignore

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Posted by: Seera.5916

Seera.5916

That won’t stop it.

The ONLY way it will stop is if NO ONE who plays GW2 buys gold from them anymore.

That’s the only way it will ever end.

No amount of inconveniencing players will solve it.

It would also be very annoying to be out in the world fighting and aiming an AOE and have that pop up come up and interrupt me. Or block my screen and make it so that I die.

So I wouldn’t opt into it. It’s much easier and better for the game and economy to report the mail. Not let it return to sender.

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Posted by: BrooksP.4318

BrooksP.4318

That won’t stop it.

The ONLY way it will stop is if NO ONE who plays GW2 buys gold from them anymore.

That’s the only way it will ever end.

No amount of inconveniencing players will solve it.

It would also be very annoying to be out in the world fighting and aiming an AOE and have that pop up come up and interrupt me. Or block my screen and make it so that I die.

So I wouldn’t opt into it. It’s much easier and better for the game and economy to report the mail. Not let it return to sender.

This isn’t true. Gold sellers will infest any game regardless of buyers. They are in games where there isn’t any way to transfer funds, like WoT. Their goal is really to hijack accounts, not really sell gold.

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Posted by: Seera.5916

Seera.5916

That won’t stop it.

The ONLY way it will stop is if NO ONE who plays GW2 buys gold from them anymore.

That’s the only way it will ever end.

No amount of inconveniencing players will solve it.

It would also be very annoying to be out in the world fighting and aiming an AOE and have that pop up come up and interrupt me. Or block my screen and make it so that I die.

So I wouldn’t opt into it. It’s much easier and better for the game and economy to report the mail. Not let it return to sender.

This isn’t true. Gold sellers will infest any game regardless of buyers. They are in games where there isn’t any way to transfer funds, like WoT. Their goal is really to hijack accounts, not really sell gold.

But what’s the point if they don’t make a profit on it? I would imagine they wouldn’t keep buying new accounts if they weren’t making a profit on it.

Of course there is always someone who buys from them so it’s a moot point now isn’kitten Because they would only stop if literally no one was buying.

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Posted by: BladeRain.6543

BladeRain.6543

So rather than letting gold sellers ineffectively spam into your chat box, you’d rather them basically get free advertising from an on-screen centered prompt saying, “HEY! You received a message from thisguy.9876. Accept or Decline?” A feature which, should I wish to enable/disable I’d have to toggle it through the Options menu?

Yeah no.

I just set my status to Invisible. Problem solved with just as much or fewer clicks.

Or that reporting gold sellers=auto ignore

Or this. Been silently hoping for this to become a standard thing. Invisible status pre-empts it, but this would prevent multiple-within-a-minute spams.

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Posted by: KStudios.2850

KStudios.2850

The entire point is to block the sales pitch from ever gracing the player’s chat box in the first place. Those complaining about it wouldn’t have to toggle it on. It would be a completely optional non-mandatory system. One I personally have wanted since the game began. As it negates the ability of not only gold sellers to reach me, but PvP and WvW trolls as well.

Also, I know that going “invisible” disables PM’s, but it also well… makes me invisible. I have an active and very social guild and friends that I do not wish to hide from. Being invisible all the time would negate the entire purpose of having such.

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Posted by: chemiclord.3978

chemiclord.3978

But what’s the point if they don’t make a profit on it? I would imagine they wouldn’t keep buying new accounts if they weren’t making a profit on it.

Of course there is always someone who buys from them so it’s a moot point now isn’kitten Because they would only stop if literally no one was buying.

Well… it depends on the game and the person involved.

In some games, it’s to legitimately sell gold. These sort of groups will have people grinding out currency and sell it to other players.

In others, the goal is to take control of the account, either to skin the entire account for rare materials (like salvaging or disenchanting rare gear that can be given to the thief’s account). Or the purpose can be to take control and sell the account itself. I remember during my raiding heyday that top raiders would get offers to sell their account for over $1,000 or so.

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Posted by: Miku.6297

Miku.6297

Just out of curiosity, did you block/report each seller after their message? Where all the messages from a different source? Sometimes they message in quick succession, and if you are AFK you may have multiple messages from the same seller.

Block and reporting 12 messages in 2 and a half hours really isn’t that taxing, and in my opinion shows A-net has made some progress in dealing with them.

I usually afk on and off most of the day, and I know I haven’t really had much of a problem, sure I get a message from time to time, but I just block/report then move on.

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Posted by: penelopehannibal.8947

penelopehannibal.8947

Right Click. Report. Block. Re-Name in ignore list to ‘Gold Seller’. Watch the account go ‘offline’ within an hour, and never come back.

Considering each one is a separate account, and more than likely using a different proxy and IP address, ArenaNet are dealing with them pretty well if you ask me.

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Posted by: Jaymee.1560

Jaymee.1560

I kinda view it like getting junk mail in real life. Or having to put up with door-to-door salesmen. (sighs). It can’t be stopped. We just have to put up with it. I often set my status to “Offline” when I’m really not in the mood to see that crap.

I use to be a Ritualist and a Paragon in my former life…

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Posted by: Seera.5916

Seera.5916

But what’s the point if they don’t make a profit on it? I would imagine they wouldn’t keep buying new accounts if they weren’t making a profit on it.

Of course there is always someone who buys from them so it’s a moot point now isn’kitten Because they would only stop if literally no one was buying.

Well… it depends on the game and the person involved.

In some games, it’s to legitimately sell gold. These sort of groups will have people grinding out currency and sell it to other players.

In others, the goal is to take control of the account, either to skin the entire account for rare materials (like salvaging or disenchanting rare gear that can be given to the thief’s account). Or the purpose can be to take control and sell the account itself. I remember during my raiding heyday that top raiders would get offers to sell their account for over $1,000 or so.

If literally no one was buying in a particular game and that persisted for months at a time, I’m 100% positive that the gold sellers wouldn’t remain. Not if the game is Pay to Play or Buy to Play. A Free to Play game they aren’t losing any money if no one buys.

But GW2 is Buy to Play. If literally no one was buying from them, then they would lose money by continuing to make new accounts as old ones get banned. And free trials are too infrequent to rely on them. I can’t imagine any company (and that what gold sellers are, part of a company) that would consciously make a decision to not make as high of profits as possible.

But of course, there will always be some players who decide to buy from them. For a variety of reasons. So there will always be gold sellers.

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Posted by: Sankofa Jimiyu.1567

Sankofa Jimiyu.1567

Much like using the trading post to get around currency transfer limitations, gold spammers will navigate the problem the way regular spammers use regular email, with opening statement to get you to accept and then open it to receive delicious spam.

The problem is caused by players that keep buying gold. They are who we don’t see in all of this unless their accounts get stolen. On that end, the better way to deal with that is to have the ability to report those outrageously priced items on the TP that the gold buyers post for the gold sellers to buy to transfer gold.
Only ANet can see that information, and deal with both parties…at least until they find another way to game the system.

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Posted by: Kichwas.7152

Kichwas.7152

Or that reporting gold sellers=auto ignore

That’s all the fix it needs right there.

That and… people could try AFKing somewhere less busy than Divinity’s Reach.

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Posted by: GummiBear.2756

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for this to be even mildly efficient it would have to at least be on per default, or not toggleable at all, at which point it would be a MAJOR inconvenience for legitimate players (to the point that a good deal would stop playing the game altogether), for what would be a minor obstacle for the goldseller)

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Posted by: Just a flesh wound.3589

Just a flesh wound.3589

They probably pay for stolen credit cards as well as stolen accounts. With these two tactics, they have to pay some for accounts but it’s provably not the full price. If they are in certain counties, they use convicts as slave labor to decrease costs and beat them went they don’t meet quotas. (The convicts are required to do a full shift of work in the prison and then forced to work another long shift for the gold sellers). This means they get more profit with each sale, even if the number of sales are fewer.

Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.

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