Guild Wars 2

Here is my story.

I am an achiever. As you can guess, I like to achieve things in games, that’s what achievement are there for.

So I decided to launch myself into a challenge. Getting a WvW title. Pretty hard isn’t it? Yet I took the easy one: using 1,000,000 ressources into Siege Weapons.

As you can guess, it requires quite a grind. So I optimised my way to progress into it: buying massives amounts of Flame Rams (best for Ravits/Price) with honor badges and gold.

Now as you can guess, I need to use those Flame Rames. And I need to find the necessary supply.

Easy: supply camps. You can build up to 5 flame rams around a supply spot so I just have to build, leave, find another spot, build, etc…

Now, the biggest problem I ever had in that game: WvW players. Most of them on my server are stupid like hell. Every time they see me doing that, they want to report me.

And the discussion always goes like that:

Player: “Hey, you, what the hell are you doing. Flame Rames in a camp? You’re a f… spy.”

Me: “I’m just doing my achievements. Doesn’t bother anyone, supplies automatically refill in camps. And I’m not a spy, I don’t speak German (we are French, our ennemies are German) and why would an ennemy even pay gems and wait a week just for that?”

Player (did not read anything) : So you’re griefing us for achievements! What a selfish behavior!

Me: “But, it refills, so it doesn’t bother anyone!”.

Player: “Heh, everyone, this player is building Flame Rames in camps! Let’s report him!”.

Player2&3&4: “Oh what a noob let’s all report him!”.

Me: “Heh, but what motive are you going to put inside the report?”.

Player: “Botting!”.

Me: “Won’t work. Mods check if it’s true or not.”

Player: “No, we’ll massive report you and you’ll be banned!”.

So, yea, here is my daily suffering. Being reported, again and again, treated as a noob by my server and hunted everywhere. The thing I’m the most afraid of is to be really banned, so Mod, could you tell me if you are going to ban me for this?

Also, should I contact support? I’m here for that kind of advice, not to be bashed my more WvW players: “Heh, what you’re doing is really stupid! Let’s report you too!”.

Thanks for reading

I’m pretty sure you’re not breaking any rules so just ignore them. Being reported by a bunch of scrubs isn’t going to get you banned and nothing you do is really going to make them stop. If you see people yelling at you over it, just pop them into the Block list and continue on your work. I’m more interesting in seeing somebody achieve a WvW title than seeing XXXXXXX server win or lose WvW for the 5th week in a row.

Isn’t supply required to upgrade camp?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Camp#Upgrades

Not to mention if someone (or a full guild) comes by and wants to refill his supplies he can’t. Or if a tower is beeing attacked the door cannot be repaired by players.

Now I don’t think you can be reported for that but is this achievement worthwhile?

I don’t think you can get in trouble for that. :o

What server are you on? The first thing that came to mind was that, if people on your server start messing with you, and I’m on an opposing team… I could jump out from behind a building and kill them all. :>

I think there’s something wrong with me. lol

Animando.7956:

Isn’t supply required to upgrade camp?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Camp#Upgrades

Not to mention if someone (or a full guild) comes by and wants to refill his supplies he can’t. Or if a tower is beeing attacked the door cannot be repaired by players.

Now I don’t think you can be reported for that but is this achievement worthwhile?

If supply is full, and he takes 10 supply… then waits for it to refill, takes 10 more supply, etc. it’s not a big deal. I assume that’s what he’s doing. If he’s taking it all, yea, that’d kitten off WvW people a lot.

Animando.7956:

Isn’t supply required to upgrade camp?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Camp#Upgrades

Not to mention if someone (or a full guild) comes by and wants to refill his supplies he can’t. Or if a tower is beeing attacked the door cannot be repaired by players.

Now I don’t think you can be reported for that but is this achievement worthwhile?

Supplies never run out at camps unless a zerg pops by and whisk it all away and even then the supplies is only gone for a few minutes.

With this post, you’ve effectively reported yourself for griefing your server – cool!

Why not pick a PvE achivement to go after rather than WvW. Here’s why. WvW is about, well, WvW. I realize there are a lot of people there doing a lot of things but it’s basically a war complete with strategy and tactics. To see someone running around doing miscellaneous things that don’t contribute to anything beyond himself is going to bring grief to you from someone. My suggestion, stay out of dungeons and WvW to the extent that you can’t contribute to the primary activity. Achievements like Dungeon Master shouldn’t be a problem, but something like “Wave a Bouquet before 5 Bosses” could be trouble.

I doubt Anet punishes people for going for WvW achievements. If they would it would be a good reason to quit this game. After all its their fault if they make achievements which take decades to complete without such behavior.

Here’s my suggestion.

Build arrow carts instead of flame rams. Arrow carts are actually useful when placed at supply camps (i.e. to repel attacks), and players may even be grateful to you for providing them.

The problem with your behaviour is that your server is only allowed to have a set number of siege engines on the map. When you use the allotment of siege engines that are ineffective in their placement it causes the rest of the players representing your server to not be able to use siege in a place where they are actually helpful. Yes, you already knew this. Yes, you are griefing. It might not be against the rules but it IS against the spirit of the rules, and it is very bad behavior.

If you don’t want to be “bullied” use your supply where it’s effective — build siege, repair walls or gates…

If I were on your WvW team I would make a point of explaining the problem in chat right before I reported you. Then the support members that have to check the reports would at least know without doubt that you aren’t doing it in ignorance. Efficiency isn’t a good excuse for being a jerk.

Aye.8392:

The problem with your behaviour is that your server is only allowed to have a set number of siege engines on the map.

Hm. I wasn’t aware of that.

If that’s the case… Yea, OP, you really shouldn’t be doing that.

zTales.4392:

Aye.8392:

The problem with your behaviour is that your server is only allowed to have a set number of siege engines on the map.

Hm. I wasn’t aware of that.

If that’s the case… Yea, OP, you really shouldn’t be doing that.

I’ve noticed a limit because when you build 5 flame rames around a supply spot, you can’t build anything more in a determined perimeter. But that perimeter is pretty small, anyone can still build a lot of arrow carts/balistas inside the camp.

Two points:

First, you’re violating the spirit of WvW. The achievements are supposed to be earned in the course of participating in WvW in a manner that aids your server’s attempts to win. By building siege engines where they’re easy to build rather than where thery’re needed, you’re not doing anything to help your server.

And you’re occupying a slot in the WvW realm while someone more willing to help the team might be sitting in a queue. Ideally, one would enter WvW to actively participate in a way that helps his server. Entering just to spam something for the sake of a personal achievement is, in my opinion, selfish. You’re not doing your share to make the community better.

Second, while I feel you’re violating the spirit of competition and community, you’ve done nothing against the letter of the rules. ArenaNet will not punish you. And unless you care about your reputation among your server’s WvW community, there’s nothing the players can do to you either (short of insulting you, which you can and should ignore).

So just ignore everyone else if the only thing you care about is achievements. But I hope you’re reconsider the means by which you’re attempting to earn WvW achievements. Who knows, you might even have fun.

Keiran.1896:

zTales.4392:

Aye.8392:

The problem with your behaviour is that your server is only allowed to have a set number of siege engines on the map.

Hm. I wasn’t aware of that.

If that’s the case… Yea, OP, you really shouldn’t be doing that.

I’ve noticed a limit because when you build 5 flame rames around a supply spot, you can’t build anything more in a determined perimeter. But that perimeter is pretty small, anyone can still build a lot of arrow carts/balistas inside the camp.

Honestly, now this just sounds ridiculous. You seriously don’t understand why you’re being “bullied”?

Also, Darkace is right. If you want a WvW title, play WvW. Otherwise, what’s the point?

Keiran here is building rams because rams, according to Mike Ferguson, do not share the “total siege weapons build” count but have their only exclusive ram counter. He builds at most 5 in two supply camps per map meaning that the number of possible rams drops from 100 to 90. While obviously people repeating his behavior will cause a problem, Keiran alone is not because no map, no matter what wild accusation you make, is going to use up 90 rams at once. It’s absolutely not griefing. Griefing is a deliberate irritation against other players, but for Keiran the irritation is simply a side effect of bad game design that you all have your panties in a knot over.

As far as “going against the spirit of the achievement” (which I find absolutely comical because there’s no kittening way you’re going to get that achievement through normal play), “taking up a queue spot” (there are usually 10 or more useless players running the Jumping Puzzle at any given time just for the 500 Badges for the Legendary), and “interrupting WvW for your selfish crap” (if you think the difference of one person in ZERG VS. ZERG is going to change rather or not your server wins, you are completely delusional), you just need to get over it.

GoZero.9708:

Keiran here is building rams because rams, according to Mike Ferguson, do not share the “total siege weapons build” count but have their only exclusive ram counter. He builds at most 5 in two supply camps per map meaning that the number of possible rams drops from 100 to 90. While obviously people repeating his behavior will cause a problem, Keiran alone is not because no map, no matter what wild accusation you make, is going to use up 90 rams at once. It’s absolutely not griefing. Griefing is a deliberate irritation against other players, but for Keiran the irritation is simply a side effect of bad game design that you all have your panties in a knot over.

….oh. Well then if that’s the case, it doesn’t matter.

All this new information, lol. I can definitely understand why people who don’t know that would get upset.

Players behaving like this seem to have popped up on almost every server by now. The problem is that this behaviour is not strictly against the rules and while it is disruptive to overall WvW gameplay, players are not getting punished for it. I know that Anet is evaluating the situation, since our server has been struggling with someone behaving in this manner for quite some time now, although much worse than what the OP describes.

Let’s hope that Anet finds a solution to this mess in a timely manner.

GoZero.9708:

(if you think the difference of one person in ZERG VS. ZERG is going to change rather or not your server wins, you are completely delusional), you just need to get over it.

Oh really? Here is a little story for you: a few weeks ago our server held Stonemist castle and one player (just one!) was using up all the supplies to build useless stuff like flame rams on walls and repairing a wall that was under fire, even though a wall upgrade was about to be completed.

When the castle was finally besieged in earnest it had zero supplies and no new defensive siege equipment could be placed, which forced our server to relinquish posession, so the new owner would destroy all the useless rams for us (at this point we weren’t even able to besiege anything, as we couldn’t place any rams anymore on that map).

You do realize that all those people you call stupid are actually right?
Not only you’re wasting supply of your server just for your own “achievements”, but you’re trying to “grind” something that isn’t meant to be grinded, having the supplier title should mean you built a lot of useful siege.

You’re probably the worst player I’ve ever heard of OP, I’m astonished you had the guts to make a thread to confess such a shame, and even complain that everyone should help you at it.

This is why I hate traditional MMO players. They just want to grind everything to “show off” while actually being very terrible players at everything.

Red Falcon.8257:

You do realize that all those people you call stupid are actually right?
Not only you’re wasting supply of your server just for your own “achievements”, but you’re trying to “grind” something that isn’t meant to be grinded, having the supplier title should mean you built a lot of useful siege.

You’re probably the worst player I’ve ever heard of OP, I’m astonished you had the guts to make a thread to confess such a shame, and even complain that everyone should help you at it.

Question remains, is the achievement bad because it can be “grinded” or is it bad because it’s something that has no variety and has a huge kitten number which will take a stupid amount of time and resources, ie: a grind if you want to actually get it some time this year?

Hellkaiser.6025:

Question remains, is the achievement bad because it can be “grinded” or is it bad because it’s something that has no variety and has a huge kitten number which will take a stupid amount of time and resources, ie: a grind if you want to actually get it some time this year?

It would definitely be better if this was not tied into any achievements or titles and just be a statistic for curious people. Keep the kill and capture achievements, but remove anything that requires supplies.

Hellkaiser.6025:

Question remains, is the achievement bad because it can be “grinded” or is it bad because it’s something that has no variety and has a huge kitten number which will take a stupid amount of time and resources, ie: a grind if you want to actually get it some time this year?

Neither.

Just because something can be used wrong it doesn’t make it “bad” in itself.
It’s like saying cars are bad because they can be used to kill.
Can’t always blame Anet for player’s exploitive usage of features, because realistically you can’t code everything in a way that it can’t be possibily used wrong.
Most times in life you’re given things you can use wrong or right, it’s up to the person to use things responsibly.
Take some freakin responsibility people, it isn’t really a bad thing to use common sense.

It’s your time and effort, AND it’s your game as much as theirs. Ignore the kiddies OP and play how you see fit.
Don’t let anyone tell you how to play or how to spec/emote/RP/stand-on-your-head! It’s your life, live it! (Oh God I sound like a condom advert…).

Red Falcon.8257:

exploitive

The player who does this should be reported for exploiting, yup.

Exploits can be reported directly to ArenaNet at
exploits@arena.net

You’re welcome

Honestly, I agree with them. You are selfishly pursuing your little titles at the expense of your servers success.

Red Falcon.8257:

Hellkaiser.6025:

Question remains, is the achievement bad because it can be “grinded” or is it bad because it’s something that has no variety and has a huge kitten number which will take a stupid amount of time and resources, ie: a grind if you want to actually get it some time this year?

Neither.

Just because something can be used wrong it doesn’t make it “bad” in itself.
It’s like saying cars are bad because they can be used to kill.
Can’t always blame Anet for player’s exploitive usage of features, because realistically you can’t code everything in a way that it can’t be possibily used wrong.
Most times in life you’re given things you can use wrong or right, it’s up to the person to use things responsibly.
Take some freakin responsibility people, it isn’t really a bad thing to use common sense.

In everything we create we hold a responsibility to make sure that it isn’t abused, this dilemma doesn’t always arise of course but when it does it’s usually quickly fixed, cars don’t kill people, but that doesn’t stop us developing road safety rules and laws as well as altering designs of cars themselves to help offset the potentially fatal happenings or lessen the human interference factor. While it’s unfair to expect A-Net to perfectly handle every new update, they do have a responsibility to ensure that IF this is causing disruptive behavior in WVWVW that it is in fact curbed and altered to be less intrusive.

My question’s stand, if the achievement wasn’t such a mountain of a grind, would it truly be such a big deal to players?

If it wasn’t possible to finish the achievement by spamming useless siege equipment, would it have been better thought out?

Both of those are questions that only the developers can answer.

Keiran.1896:

Here is my story.

I am an achiever. As you can guess, I like to achieve things in games, that’s what achievement are there for.

So I decided to launch myself into a challenge. Getting a WvW title. Pretty hard isn’t it? Yet I took the easy one: using 1,000,000 ressources into Siege Weapons.

As you can guess, it requires quite a grind. So I optimised my way to progress into it: buying massives amounts of Flame Rams (best for Ravits/Price) with honor badges and gold.

Now as you can guess, I need to use those Flame Rames. And I need to find the necessary supply.

Easy: supply camps. You can build up to 5 flame rams around a supply spot so I just have to build, leave, find another spot, build, etc…

Now, the biggest problem I ever had in that game: WvW players. Most of them on my server are stupid like hell. Every time they see me doing that, they want to report me.

And the discussion always goes like that:

Player: “Hey, you, what the hell are you doing. Flame Rames in a camp? You’re a f… spy.”

Me: “I’m just doing my achievements. Doesn’t bother anyone, supplies automatically refill in camps. And I’m not a spy, I don’t speak German (we are French, our ennemies are German) and why would an ennemy even pay gems and wait a week just for that?”

Player (did not read anything) : So you’re griefing us for achievements! What a selfish behavior!

Me: “But, it refills, so it doesn’t bother anyone!”.

Player: “Heh, everyone, this player is building Flame Rames in camps! Let’s report him!”.

Player2&3&4: “Oh what a noob let’s all report him!”.

Me: “Heh, but what motive are you going to put inside the report?”.

Player: “Botting!”.

Me: “Won’t work. Mods check if it’s true or not.”

Player: “No, we’ll massive report you and you’ll be banned!”.

So, yea, here is my daily suffering. Being reported, again and again, treated as a noob by my server and hunted everywhere. The thing I’m the most afraid of is to be really banned, so Mod, could you tell me if you are going to ban me for this?

Also, should I contact support? I’m here for that kind of advice, not to be bashed my more WvW players: “Heh, what you’re doing is really stupid! Let’s report you too!”.

Thanks for reading

you should be punished, maybe not ban, but you desirve an punishment
1.you cut your ally’s supply’s
2. every wvwvw map got an siege limit
you troll it , and make your team unable to build defensive and offensive siege.
3. i would report you too, i would even pay transfer to enemy server to hunt you
4. yes , you sabotage your team

I wouldnt see a problem with it if he waited on the supply to resupply. For example took 10 and waited for 10 to resupply before taking 10 more. Then it really isn’t a real big deal.

Yeah people will still complain because they will run up and see the rams and think someone was jerking them around.

On the flip side I would imagine this isn’t what he is doing. It would take much to much time, and it is much easier to make things harder for other people, then to make them hard for yourself.

Wth ? You should stop doing that,there is a siege cap limit,meaning there can only Be a XX amount of Sieges on a map at one time.You are wasting supplys,and your wasting those siege spots,i agree with them,you shouldn’t do that.Also your draining every supply camp on that map,and wonder why it is you get reported ? And yet call them stupid…

I didn’t come to debate with more players about whether I should continue or not to build Flame Rames, but if you really want me to defend myself…

1. Players reporting me are putting “botting”. You guys are the first to complain when bots are not getting banned fast enough, yet everytime someone is doing something that you don’t like you report him for “botting” and you wonder why the Support Team is so busy and slow? They have to check everytime to see if this is truly about botting or not, and most of the time it is not. So yes, I call those players “stupid”. If they’re not happy, they should fill up a support ticket about me.

2. I guess thousands of people have already a legendary weapon, but how many have this title? The amount of supply needed for this title is INSANE, I mean, ONE MILLION!
1k per day takes 3 years.
5k per day is very hard and takes 200 days.
10k per day is insane and yet it still takes 100 days.
So can you imagine that this title is meant to be acquired “over time”, by simpling playing the game? A normal player, using like 300 supply everyday would take 9 years getting this!

3. Again, I’m not disturbing my server. Sure it’s disturbing the eyes of my team, when they see 5 flames rams in a camp, but in no way it’s disturbing their victory! Supply refills fast, siege weapons limit is separated from flame ram limit, and when I hear that a commander wants to refill his supply there, sure I leave the supply for them!

Keiran.1896:

Me: “But, it refills, so it doesn’t bother anyone!”.

How could you possibly believe that? It refills at a very slow pace meaning other people can’t build the siege they need on the map, can’t upgrade, can’t enjoy the actual point of the mode because you’re messing around and hurting your own team like a real winner. All for meaningless cheevos.

If that’s your attitude then the best thing for the devs to do is not ever add another WvW cheevo.

Keiran.1896:

I didn’t come to debate with more players about whether I should continue or not to build Flame Rames, but if you really want me to defend myself…

1. Players reporting me are putting “botting”. You guys are the first to complain when bots are not getting banned fast enough, yet everytime someone is doing something that you don’t like you report him for “botting” and you wonder why the Support Team is so busy and slow? They have to check everytime to see if this is truly about botting or not, and most of the time it is not. So yes, I call those players “stupid”. If they’re not happy, they should fill up a support ticket about me.

2. I guess thousands of people have already a legendary weapon, but how many have this title? The amount of supply needed for this title is INSANE, I mean, ONE MILLION!
1k per day takes 3 years.
5k per day is very hard and takes 200 days.
10k per day is insane and yet it still takes 100 days.
So can you imagine that this title is meant to be acquired “over time”, by simpling playing the game? A normal player, using like 300 supply everyday would take 9 years getting this!

3. Again, I’m not disturbing my server. Sure it’s disturbing the eyes of my team, when they see 5 flames rams in a camp, but in no way it’s disturbing their victory! Supply refills fast, siege weapons limit is separated from flame ram limit, and when I hear that a commander wants to refill his supply there, sure I leave the supply for them!

I didnt say it,so you can defend yourself,there is nothing to defend here.You should stop doing it,period.Continue and you will let more and more people rage on you on your server,your pick.You now know WHY people dont like it,your chance to do something about it.If you want to get that achievement ? Go help build some sieges for the commander instead and stop being a kitten……

And btw,its Insane that you are willing to Waste ONE MILLION supplys on building rams around a kitten supp camp.

Um, you know that if you want to get this achievement AND be useful in WvW at the same time, just offer a commander to help building siege in any keep/tower they are holding. Most often you won’t even need to buy the blueprints that way, just run supply from a camp to the keep and back and help building whatever they need built.

The difference to your approach is that this way, they will love having you around.

Hello,

Since this thread is not inviting to constructive and health discussion, it is now closed.

Thank you for your understanding.