Guild Wars 2

People have different tastes, different activities as to how they consider fun.

Some people like SPvP, and hate it when classes are unbalanced

Some people like end-game Pve, and hate it when there are not enough interesting challenges

Some people, like me, hate it when Arenanet nerfs farming points because I like to make gold and find farming relaxing

There are many activities in this game that players can do. I think if you have a closed-mindset as to what you consider fun, you are more likely to get disgruntled. If you enjoy MMO’s in general, though, and play different aspects, I think you will enjoy the game.

I agree, I think I’m in the minority in that I enjoy this game just for what it is. I’m not saying I’m better than players who don’t, I guess everyone has a different view.

I thought this game was going to please a far larger percentage of MMO players but I can see I was wrong now. I happy to be in the slice that does love it, let the good time roll

Genophix.3098:

I agree, I think I’m in the minority in that I enjoy this game just for what it is. I’m not saying I’m better than players who don’t, I guess everyone has a different view.

I thought this game was going to please a far larger percentage of MMO players but I can see I was wrong now. I happy to be in the slice that does love it, let the good time roll

I’m not sure why you think you’re in the minority. You may well, however, be in the minority of people who post on forums. In game might show a different story. Someone who logs in to relax or play the game solo, or just doesn’t spend as much time is far less likely to post on a forum than people who min/max. I mean it’s not like you have to ask about what’s the best build, or what class performs the best, because you play what you like.

In fact, I’m actually convinced there are far more people who play solo or just immerse themselves in the world than anyone suspects. I can’t prove it but it sure seems like there’s a bunch of us out there.

Vayne.8563:

Genophix.3098:

I agree, I think I’m in the minority in that I enjoy this game just for what it is. I’m not saying I’m better than players who don’t, I guess everyone has a different view.

I thought this game was going to please a far larger percentage of MMO players but I can see I was wrong now. I happy to be in the slice that does love it, let the good time roll

I’m not sure why you think you’re in the minority. You may well, however, be in the minority of people who post on forums. In game might show a different story. Someone who logs in to relax or play the game solo, or just doesn’t spend as much time is far less likely to post on a forum than people who min/max. I mean it’s not like you have to ask about what’s the best build, or what class performs the best, because you play what you like.

In fact, I’m actually convinced there are far more people who play solo or just immerse themselves in the world than anyone suspects. I can’t prove it but it sure seems like there’s a bunch of us out there.

The vast majority of them are unlikely to be on the forums. Only a minority of players use it as the devs confirmed, which means those in game are happy enough pottering along doing their own thing.

I think you get a lot of complaints from different groups of players because the game was designed to try and cater to them all. Rather than focusing in on a specific target player, they aimed to get as many people from other MMO’s and even game genres. I feel this lack of focus is also why many people find fault with the particluar area that drew them here in the first place.

But I do agree that as long as you play it for what it is, you can have a mostly enjoyable experience in the game.

Congratulations, this is the first forum post since launch, that I give a +1 thumbs up to.

I too am a laid-back, happy-go-lucky player. Sure I have some things in the game that I would oh so like to change but in the grand scheme of things, if the game stayed exactly the same as it is right now, I would continue to happily play for many years to come. I read all these rant and rage quotes spewing doom and gloom for the future of GW2 and it just makes me shake my head. I look at it like hey, it’s only a game, if you’re not having fun then you shouldn’t be playing.

Maybe it is somewhat different for me because I only do PvE. I could personally care less what happens in sPvP, WvW or Dungeons cause it just does not affect my game play. So I guess there is just less for me to complain about.

So play the game however it makes you happy and remember… Be excellent to each other!

The game originally tried to cater to us all in the beginning. The complaints started rolling in when they left us with pages of bugs that haven’t been addressed at all for months now, with causing some of our play styles to be utterly broken and no function all in the name of getting rid of bots (which really backfired on them because bots just switched to something they can’t nerf, resource nodes and are still teleporting to this day, so they pretty much only chased off all of their beloved legit farmer players, there’s alot more of us then you think), and have a long list of unfulfilled promises that they’ve made althroughout the process, now that we’re coming up on the anniversary, are they going to give us some more fluff and hope we don’t say anything?

It’s one thing to ignore some minor trouble here and there that doesn’t affect gameplay, it’s entirely another to try to ignore the heaping pile of mess that comes from no clear direction or focus on the fixes that are needed, and some of us are just plain tired of the lack of professionalism and the hyped manipulation at every turn.

I started playing GW 2 less than 2 months ago. I was brought in by a good friend who had been playing about 6 months. Within a few weeks of starting I had leveled a Warrior and ele to 80 and was outfitting them in exotics.

My friend asked me where I got that cool sword and I linked my gear for him. He was flabbergasted. He linked his gear and he was totally outfitted in a mishmash of green and blue gear that “he liked the look of”.

Over the course of the next few weeks as we discussed our characters and classes I realized his traits were a mess and he had no understanding of the meta game at all.

He chose trait lines to get a certain skill that didn’t harmonize with his weapons and because that trait line “gives me X stat boost”. All the while I had been working on my build theory and crunching numbers at the test golems extensively. (He didnt’ even know how he could enter the PvP area).

But you know something? We both love the game. We play together, we kill mobs and do personal stories, JP’s, events and dungeons with pugs or my guildies.

He doesn’t die much more than anyone, or suck or slow me down. We have a blast in TS and laugh at people who rage in game or on the forums.

I learned to slow down a little and hopefully he’s learned that if he really wants to do condition damage he should maybe think about putting that stat on some of his equipment.

I guess the point of this pointless story is that there is stuff here for everyone. We can enjoy the game from completetly different perspectives and yet come together and have a laugh.

okay.

I agree. I just sign on and go where the game takes me. Sometimes its wvw with a level 15 alt or just roaming pve harvesting as I go and knocking out a heart or 2. Its just a game.

Sometimes when reading the forums while at the office, I just have to sit back and wonder at the mindsets that can get so overworked at a video game.

Absolutely nothing ANet does or could do would affect my enjoyment of this game. Nerf?…well, lets just figure out how to get around it or make it work…no sweat. Even the lag issue right now, while annoying..isn’t gonna make me quit. They’ll get it fixed eventually.

Maybe its an age thing. But to me, its just game that I play in my free time from the real world.

And you will have more fun if you focus on the red dot….there it is……no it’s there!!!!……there she go………there!

OP’s first post.

That’s how this game was really meant to be played. It is a second world that players should enjoy. There is a something for everyone in this game. Most of the things this game lacks are not really a huge deal or even matter because of what GW2 has already.

I’m one of the players that enjoys the game for what it is and doesn’t interact on the forums.

It’s a fun, beautiful game (the best art team in the industry right now) that many playstyles can enjoy. However, it is not the innovative, unique, and living world that I was hoping it’d be after watching ANet’s Manifesto.

I’ve long given up hope that this game will become the living and breathing world I wanted it to be, so I just enjoy it for what it is.

Zhavari.7190:

I’m one of the players that enjoys the game for what it is and doesn’t interact on the forums.

Lol, gw2 logic at best.

There is something for everyone, I believe the devs managed to produce something extraordinary, I have been playing videogames since I can remember, and this is the first time that I feel that games are moving forward, sometimes it feels more like a toy, sometimes it feels like a blast from the past!

there is so much going on! hopefully, this continues the way it is, and creates an audience all for itself, of gamers that can take the time to enjoy the scenery, and then ready their swords and spells to bring the monster down, each akittens own pace.

I specially like the rhythm it has, for someone my age, its just what I like, not too slow, not too fast, just the right amount of grind for my needs, hopefully this game can grow and bloom as something different and not take shortcuts or easy roads to please the masses that just want more iterations of the same things.

great post Op!

To the OP - have to agree. It can even be boiled down to a player’s gameplay participation in general. For example, as a PvX player, I find the game refreshing and constantly rewarding being able to bounce from PvE to WvW to tPvP as I see fit. I can see though why non-PvX players would get bored with simply one aspect of the game and consequently frustrated in the delay of real reward such as a legendary, full cultural armor, etc.; and also why the above mentioned features you referenced would also frustrate one specific type of player that doesn’t utilize the balance this game offers.

I disagree about the idea that the people chasing goals/loot want challenges. In my years of MMO playing, I’ve find this to be less and less true. Even if you look at the goal oriented players, you will likely find these players to be the ones those most willing to skip content or exploit to lower the challenge.

I don’t need phat lootz, but I would like more of a challenge. I’d like to enable a hard mode for dragon bosses and other meta bosses. However, I know as soon as something challenging is put into a MMO, people rush to find a way around the challenge. The “casuals” who don’t want challenge don’t care enough to be the ones doing this. It’s the self-proclaimed “hardcore” that rush to remove challenge, skip content and exploit.

Anytime people face a challenge in GW2, they try to reduce the challenge through brute force, often by increasing numbers. The game needs to be better at reducing the effectiveness of this tactic, but the tactic itself reveals that the people crying for challenging content are somewhat suspect.

A lot of interesting replies…thanks for that.

On the topic of focus…this is where it sort of gets hairy. No MMORPG today can really afford to focus, because I’m not sure that any one demographic is enough to support any AAA title. Sure if you have a smaller, more modest offering, you can get away with a really small player base, but if you want to do something extraordinary, and take some risks, you have to appeal to a wider range of people.

As an example PvP-centric MMOs tend not to do as well or get as big. The one exception to this is Eve, which is a subscription game of about half a million players. In that case it’s the subscription that allows it to function.

Guild Wars 2 isn’t really trying to be all things to all people. It really is a theme park in the truest sense of the word…like Disney World. You have fantasy land for the little kids, you have space mountain for the thrill seekers, you have the Hall of Presidents for an older audience. There’s something for everyone, but there are plenty of individual attractions that each person would ignore.

But those attractions take time and manpower and money to build. No one can afford to do it all at once, so you lay down the bare bones system and you hope to grow it. They took culling out o WvW, and they’re making changes there, coming up very shortly. They’re added an observer mode and private arenas to SPvP and both of those are strong options. It’s a backbone for what I believe will be their first paid tournament. And PvE gets the living story, which like it or not, some people really like. The only harder core experiences in the game are likely Arah, the Temples in Orr and Fractals.

There’s stuff for everyone to do but for certain demographics there’s not enough stuff. But the more you like a variety of styles the more happy you’ll be with the over all theme park experience. You pay one price, you get into the gate.

On the topic of RNG, that’s a hot topic for everyone (including me) well the last I checked Disneyworld still had expensive food and expensive souvenirs. You want a t-shirt from Disney World, you’ll be paying top dollar. Plenty of people go to Disney World for the experience and not for the t-shirts and plenty complain about the price of the t-shirts, but you don’t need one to ride Space Mountain.

Of all the problems I have with the game, RNG (both in the sense of getting a precuror and skins in the boxes in the cash shop) are probably the things that irk me the most. But they don’t change my over all experience of everything else offered, any more than a t-shirt or souvenir of any kind changes my opinion of the experience of going to a theme park. The question, as always is, it helps the overhead, which helps develop more attractions, which I get for the price of admission whether I buy that t-shirt or not.

There are flaws in this game…there’s no doubt about it. But there is no game in existence that offers this breadth of experience to me. In fact, this is the firsr game in which I’ve truly enjoyed PvP. In other games, it was too much like a second job.

In the end, we all pull from the game what we want. If we’re limited in our play styles there’ll be less rides for us to enjoy personally and the game will be worth less to us. For guys like me this is about as good as an MMO gets.

Sorry for the ramble…it’s 6 am. lol

Sorry Vayne I have to disagree. And agree. And the two are not in conflict.

I enjoy min/maxing my characters, I enjoy goals, I enjoy challenges (try doing fractals with only 4), I enjoy the scenery, I enjoy rolling alts, I enjoy being “casual” during the week, solo wandering and exploring, I enjoy being “hardcore” during the weekends with my guild on my designated “main” and enjoy both PvE and WvW. Heck, I even enjoy farming. I sit in both of the cultures you describe.

Having said all that, I don’t ever think of myself as a GW player. And I don’t think I ever will. There’s just something about this game that irritates me in a way that no other MMO has, outside of GW1. (I will let you know as soon I figure out what exactly it is. ) Btw, I hated GW1. There’s a lot about GW2 I don’t like, starting with some of the values the devs have demonstrated via content/direction since release. That’s a whole other thread and I think most of us have thrashed that one to bits.

I appreciate the artwork and the time and energy that has gone into the game. And the fact that the environment is more community-oriented and less competitive than most other MMOs (DAoC exception).

I like a lot of the GW2 game mechanics and don’t think I could ever go back to any of the 7 or 8 other MMOs I have played over the years. The devs are onto something there.

However, like most MMO’s that I play, I found myself bored 3 months after release and in the space of exploring the game to see if I could get past that feeling by finding new experiences. I’m here because my guild is here. So I’m trying to make the best out the game they enjoy.

No MMO will ever have all that I want. That’s just a given.

I can’t even say GW2 comes close or is “as good as could get”. Because it doesn’t feel that way… to me.

To other players, if that works for you, fantastic! Happy Gaming.

I will continue, as I have before, to try and keep a balanced approach (there’s that concept!) with the understanding that every MMO has trade-offs, and it’s a matter of what can be accepted/tolerated. And I’m sure, at some point I will walk away. In the meantime, I’m going to enjoy what I can.

Approach indeed.

goldenwing.8473:

Sorry Vayne I have to disagree. And agree. And the two are not in conflict.

I enjoy min/maxing my characters, I enjoy goals, I enjoy challenges (try doing fractals with only 4), I enjoy the scenery, I enjoy rolling alts, I enjoy being “casual” during the week, solo wandering and exploring, I enjoy being “hardcore” during the weekends with my guild on my designated “main” and enjoy both PvE and WvW. Heck, I even enjoy farming. I sit in both of the cultures you describe.

Having said all that, I don’t ever think of myself as a GW player. And I don’t think I ever will. There’s just something about this game that irritates me in a way that no other MMO has, outside of GW1. (I will let you know as soon I figure out what exactly it is. ) Btw, I hated GW1. There’s a lot about GW2 I don’t like, starting with some of the values the devs have demonstrated via content/direction since release. That’s a whole other thread and I think most of us have thrashed that one to bits.

I appreciate the artwork and the time and energy that has gone into the game. And the fact that the environment is more community-oriented and less competitive than most other MMOs (DAoC exception).

I like a lot of the GW2 game mechanics and don’t think I could ever go back to any of the 7 or 8 other MMOs I have played over the years. The devs are onto something there.

However, like most MMO’s that I play, I found myself bored 3 months after release and in the space of exploring the game to see if I could get past that feeling by finding new experiences. I’m here because my guild is here. So I’m trying to make the best out the game they enjoy.

No MMO will ever have all that I want. That’s just a given.

I can’t even say GW2 comes close or is “as good as could get”. Because it doesn’t feel that way… to me.

To other players, if that works for you, fantastic! Happy Gaming.

I will continue, as I have before, to try and keep a balanced approach (there’s that concept!) with the understanding that every MMO has trade-offs, and it’s a matter of what can be accepted/tolerated. And I’m sure, at some point I will walk away. In the meantime, I’m going to enjoy what I can.

Approach indeed.

Yep, the game isn’t for everyone. No game is.

But it’s certainly better for certain types of players than others. I’d definitely be interested to know what annoys you about the game, though. I find that interesting.

Each person chooses how to approach the game. You can appreciate what the game has and what you like about it, or you can dwell on what it lacks and the aspects you don’t like. I choose to focus on the positive aspects of the game, and should the negative ever overwhelm them, I will play another game instead.

For my personal tastes, this is the best game I’ve found so far. But I realize that it’s not for everyone.

Vayne.8563:

Genophix.3098:

I agree, I think I’m in the minority in that I enjoy this game just for what it is. I’m not saying I’m better than players who don’t, I guess everyone has a different view.

I thought this game was going to please a far larger percentage of MMO players but I can see I was wrong now. I happy to be in the slice that does love it, let the good time roll

I’m not sure why you think you’re in the minority. You may well, however, be in the minority of people who post on forums. In game might show a different story. Someone who logs in to relax or play the game solo, or just doesn’t spend as much time is far less likely to post on a forum than people who min/max. I mean it’s not like you have to ask about what’s the best build, or what class performs the best, because you play what you like.

In fact, I’m actually convinced there are far more people who play solo or just immerse themselves in the world than anyone suspects. I can’t prove it but it sure seems like there’s a bunch of us out there.

The fact that YOU are actually convinced about something, or YOU do something in a way rather than another, doesn’t mean that it must be the right way.
There’s people who enjoy reward and gratification by playing the game, and GW2 is far from rewarding, because 99% of the things you loot is useless and hold little to no value.
That comes from someone who actually like to lose herself around, chatting with guildies, doing world events and some wvw from time to time… And absolutely can’t stand more than one CoF run every 4 or 5 days.

Valanga.5942:

Vayne.8563:

Genophix.3098:

I agree, I think I’m in the minority in that I enjoy this game just for what it is. I’m not saying I’m better than players who don’t, I guess everyone has a different view.

I thought this game was going to please a far larger percentage of MMO players but I can see I was wrong now. I happy to be in the slice that does love it, let the good time roll

I’m not sure why you think you’re in the minority. You may well, however, be in the minority of people who post on forums. In game might show a different story. Someone who logs in to relax or play the game solo, or just doesn’t spend as much time is far less likely to post on a forum than people who min/max. I mean it’s not like you have to ask about what’s the best build, or what class performs the best, because you play what you like.

In fact, I’m actually convinced there are far more people who play solo or just immerse themselves in the world than anyone suspects. I can’t prove it but it sure seems like there’s a bunch of us out there.

The fact that YOU are actually convinced about something, or YOU do something in a way rather than another, doesn’t mean that it must be the right way.
There’s people who enjoy reward and gratification by playing the game, and GW2 is far from rewarding, because 99% of the things you loot is useless and hold little to no value.
That comes from someone who actually like to lose herself around, chatting with guildies, doing world events and some wvw from time to time… And absolutely can’t stand more than one CoF run every 4 or 5 days.

So what you’re saying is that your desire for loot is so basic to your play style that you can’t enjoy the game because of the way loot drops work. Other people can enjoy the game because they’re not as focused on loot. This is exactly what I’m talking about. It’s a mindset.

The Guild Wars series was never really a loot series to begin with. Loot drops in Guild Wars 1 felt the same way. It’s entirely possible you want a different game from this one, because you’re trying to play other games here. You’re focusing on an aspect of the game that clearly isn’t what the game was designed for.

You’re probably right, thumb up anyway. I think I may have been tainted in my expectation of the game by the prequel.

In Skyrim I was happy to raid tombs and in Dead Rising 2: Off the Record happy swinging baseball bats at zombie heads lol. Not sure why in this game I feel different, time spent on prequel?