Guild Wars 2

I don’t want to inspect gear.What i want is to inspect the achievements

You l33ts should start a guild so you don’t have to worry about pUGs. I am sure you and all your friends…..oh wait nvm

I still say no, and I don’t want them to keep changing the game we bought as is to cater to WOW refugees

My two cents:

A big “NO” to inspecting gear. Every other MMO has that feature. If I want to inspect people, I’ll play those games.

Please try to keep GW2 different from other MMO’s; even if you’ve already started down the slippery WoW-clone slope, it’s not too late to stop.

Chuo.4238:

My two cents:

A big “NO” to inspecting gear. Every other MMO has that feature. If I want to inspect people, I’ll play those games.

Please try to keep GW2 different from other MMO’s; even if you’ve already started down the slippery WoW-clone slope, it’s not too late to stop.

Every other car has round wheels, my next one will have squares!!!!

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Umm…agreed to the fullest

But I think they mean they want to see yer junk afore you run with them in their devastation party[/quote]

LOL…I know but its a pet peeve of mine so i throw it out when ever I can.

The only way I could agree with inspect is if it was a 2-ways system.
You /inspect a player and he gets a pop-up where he can accept or decline the request.
Should also come with an auto-decline feature for those who never want to be inspected.

Red Falcon.8257:

The only way I could agree with inspect is if it was a 2-ways system.
You /inspect a player and he gets a pop-up where he can accept or decline the request.
Should also come with an auto-decline feature for those who never want to be inspected.

The problem is that if you decline, you would still then get excluded based on the fact that you decline.

Red Falcon.8257:

The only way I could agree with inspect is if it was a 2-ways system.
You /inspect a player and he gets a pop-up where he can accept or decline the request.
Should also come with an auto-decline feature for those who never want to be inspected.

This is great.

Chuo.4238:

My two cents:

A big “NO” to inspecting gear. Every other MMO has that feature. If I want to inspect people, I’ll play those games.

Please try to keep GW2 different from other MMO’s; even if you’ve already started down the slippery WoW-clone slope, it’s not too late to stop.

Terrible logic.

So that’s why some people don’t want mounts or duels either? “Because WoW has it”.

Jesus, get over yourselves. And is inspect an wow-only feature now?

Winfernal.9208:

Chuo.4238:

My two cents:

A big “NO” to inspecting gear. Every other MMO has that feature. If I want to inspect people, I’ll play those games.

Please try to keep GW2 different from other MMO’s; even if you’ve already started down the slippery WoW-clone slope, it’s not too late to stop.

Terrible logic.

So that’s why some people don’t want mounts or duels either? “Because WoW has it”.

Jesus, get over yourselves. And is inspect an wow-only feature now?

Most of them doesn’t want gear inspect cause of magic find. Remove magic find and 95% of community would say yes on gear inspection.

i dont mind if there is a gear check or not. i dont give a kitten 8-)

the problem with gw2 is that they didnt took the gw1 gear filosofie with.
stats on gear other then armor makes people asking for the best.

and concerning gw2 becomming like other mmo’s,
its allready was like other mmo’s when it got on the market.

The problem is that if you decline, you would still then get excluded based on the fact that you decline.

I think communication will play a big part here. If you send a request with a whisper saying ‘hey I just want to see how much AR you have’ or something, then I do not see why the recipient will decline. If they declined your request without a whisper explaining why, then in all honesty that just means that either a) the person was trying to hide something or b) seems disinterested towards the needs of the -entire- group as a whole and doesn’t deserve to be in your group in the first place.

I have not played this game for very long, so I don’t know how much my opinion will be valued here. Hear me out though.

• Gear checks allow players to check others’ stats to see if they are attending dungeon runs to simply ‘leech’ off the team as a whole, among other selfish reasons. The downside of this is that gear checks will slowly open the possibility of having only this- build, no exceptions, no questions asked. GW2 is said to be a ‘skill-based’ game, and gear checks will make the game more focused towards one’s gear and not one’s skill. This can be solved with the ‘request to inspect’ system another person suggested.
• I personally do not understand why people say ‘I play this and this way and your opinion is irrelevant’. Sure, if you’re on PvE then I don’t see why people should care much about your build. On the case of dungeons on fractals, where you agreed to be with a group, you also agreed to the fact that you will need to meet the needs of the entire team. Don’t be a snob with the LaLacan’thearyou card. Make sure that before the dungeon run, everyone is on the same page. If gear check is implemented, allow them. If not, then tell them your gear. If you join a group with the mentality of a stubborn child, then you don’t deserve to be in that group.
  On the other hand, if a person seems to want to kick you for your build then suggest a compromise (or just find another group, perhaps). If the group doesn’t want any compromises at all, then they don’t deserve you.

And this reminds me of that reddit post…

Gear Inspection is a disease that needs to be left within the rotting carcass of WoW.

May that mechanic never find its way into GW2.

Sovta.4719:

Winfernal.9208:

Chuo.4238:

My two cents:

A big “NO” to inspecting gear. Every other MMO has that feature. If I want to inspect people, I’ll play those games.

Please try to keep GW2 different from other MMO’s; even if you’ve already started down the slippery WoW-clone slope, it’s not too late to stop.

Terrible logic.

So that’s why some people don’t want mounts or duels either? “Because WoW has it”.

Jesus, get over yourselves. And is inspect an wow-only feature now?

Most of them doesn’t want gear inspect cause of magic find. Remove magic find and 95% of community would say yes on gear inspection.

You got it backwards. Remove magic find and 95% of the community won’t ever ask for inspections again.

maddoctor.2738:

Sovta.4719:

Winfernal.9208:

Chuo.4238:

My two cents:

A big “NO” to inspecting gear. Every other MMO has that feature. If I want to inspect people, I’ll play those games.

Please try to keep GW2 different from other MMO’s; even if you’ve already started down the slippery WoW-clone slope, it’s not too late to stop.

Terrible logic.

So that’s why some people don’t want mounts or duels either? “Because WoW has it”.

Jesus, get over yourselves. And is inspect an wow-only feature now?

Most of them doesn’t want gear inspect cause of magic find. Remove magic find and 95% of community would say yes on gear inspection.

You got it backwards. Remove magic find and 95% of the community won’t ever ask for inspections again.

Magic Find has nothing to do with this discussion.

I would wager that 95% of the GW2 playerbase doesn’t want gear inspection.

A vocal 5% does, so that they can exclude others from their groups for reasons that often have literally 0% impact on how successful the group will be in completing the dungeon. Agony resistence is an exception.

I wish someone would run a poll on this so that we could see the actual number of people who want/don’t want gear inspect.

NO. Useless stuff for WoW dropouts and paranoid MF haters.
It’s not needed.

Grunties.6841:

You l33ts should start a guild so you don’t have to worry about pUGs. I am sure you and all your friends…..oh wait nvm

I still say no, and I don’t want them to keep changing the game we bought as is to cater to WOW refugees

+1 for you!

holotype.1643:

Magic Find has nothing to do with this discussion.

Well if you check earlier posts and other threads about the subject you can see that some little stats are causing trouble and people want them to be visible (MF and AR) if MF and AR was visible there would not be any more inspection posts.

Except from some very few “elitists”

Sovta.4719:

Winfernal.9208:

Chuo.4238:

My two cents:

A big “NO” to inspecting gear. Every other MMO has that feature. If I want to inspect people, I’ll play those games.

Please try to keep GW2 different from other MMO’s; even if you’ve already started down the slippery WoW-clone slope, it’s not too late to stop.

Terrible logic.

So that’s why some people don’t want mounts or duels either? “Because WoW has it”.

Jesus, get over yourselves. And is inspect an wow-only feature now?

Most of them doesn’t want gear inspect cause of magic find. Remove magic find and 95% of community would say yes on gear inspection.

Nope, because it’s wrong for this game in principle, and many, many “leet” people do believe that Berserker’s is the one way to go for maximum “effectiveness” and a fastest speed run-not even Soldier’s or Knight’s would make it.

electriette.8952:

The problem is that if you decline, you would still then get excluded based on the fact that you decline.

I think communication will play a big part here. If you send a request with a whisper saying ‘hey I just want to see how much AR you have’ or something, then I do not see why the recipient will decline. If they declined your request without a whisper explaining why, then in all honesty that just means that either a) the person was trying to hide something or b) seems disinterested towards the needs of the -entire- group as a whole and doesn’t deserve to be in your group in the first place.

I have not played this game for very long, so I don’t know how much my opinion will be valued here. Hear me out though.

• Gear checks allow players to check others’ stats to see if they are attending dungeon runs to simply ‘leech’ off the team as a whole, among other selfish reasons. The downside of this is that gear checks will slowly open the possibility of having only this- build, no exceptions, no questions asked. GW2 is said to be a ‘skill-based’ game, and gear checks will make the game more focused towards one’s gear and not one’s skill. This can be solved with the ‘request to inspect’ system another person suggested.
• I personally do not understand why people say ‘I play this and this way and your opinion is irrelevant’. Sure, if you’re on PvE then I don’t see why people should care much about your build. On the case of dungeons on fractals, where you agreed to be with a group, you also agreed to the fact that you will need to meet the needs of the entire team. Don’t be a snob with the LaLacan’thearyou card. Make sure that before the dungeon run, everyone is on the same page. If gear check is implemented, allow them. If not, then tell them your gear. If you join a group with the mentality of a stubborn child, then you don’t deserve to be in that group.
  On the other hand, if a person seems to want to kick you for your build then suggest a compromise (or just find another group, perhaps). If the group doesn’t want any compromises at all, then they don’t deserve you.

And this reminds me of that reddit post…

Once more, the problem becomes that the “leet” becomes the norm over time with inspect gear, therefore most people will follow “leet” gear “guidelines”, in fear of not being accepted into groups due to having the “wrong” gear (whether they are truly “elite”, that’s another question… gear has nothing to do with skill, but whatever, friend). This game in particular is not the perfect vehicle for inspect gear mechanics.

Elitists should just play with like-minded elitists period, and they should find it difficult to find them (without the assistance of any inspect gear tool), because they are “elite”, no? The elite are not supposed to become common after all, otherwise there’s no “leetness” to themselves.

I agree, a close-minded person doesn’t deserves the company of a good player that chooses to play differently than him/her, but for that good player to not be able to find groups at all because of “leet” group-think would be a travesty-it does and will happen if implemented.

(Even on GW1, with no inspect gear mechanics whatsoever, people were rejected or kicked after pinging builds that didn’t meet the required meta “effective” standard; to that effect, this game offers way more flexibility, which is ironic given that we don’t have as much build diversity on this one.)

Can you people please leave WoW out of this? WoW was NOT the first to introduce this, and it is a terrible argument to use. Please use some real arguments for a good discussion about this topic.

Its a good feature, and anyone who talks about elitism needs to get over themselves.

Lets run through some hypotheticals:

You join a group for fractals. They inspect you and find you dont have enough AR. They ask if you forgot to equip your rings. If you cannot equip enough AR. You get the boot.
This is fair and just. While a skilled player can make up for a lack of AR, you are trying to get the party to take you on faith that you are skilled enough. This isnt fair to the other 4 people. No one should have to rely on the idea that a PuG is skilled.

You join a party for CoF farm. They inspect you and find that you arent running zerker gear. They ask you to switch and when you cannot they kick you.
This is fair and just. Part of the CoF farm is doing it as fast as possible, this means zerker gear. Yes a skilled player may still outDPS a non skilled one, but that doesnt mean you can, and your party again would have to take you on faith of your abilities, which they (quite correctly given the standard of most PuG’s) wont.

You join a group, they inspect you and find you dont have exotic gear. They kick you.
This is fair and just. Exotics do make a serious difference. I really shouldnt have to explain the basic process by now.

Complaining that you will be kicked by parties is honestly entitlement. You are demanding that parties take you because you perceive yourself to be just as strong/capable as people who have natural advantages over you due to their gear. Even if you were correct (and you probably are not. As gear is easy as balls to obtain, so if you cant get a proper gear set, then you probably arent as good as you think you are) you are still demanding that 4 other people take you on your word, and be prepared to carry you if you’re wrong. No one wants to do that.

The argument is self-defeating.
Take a party of full exotics, and one in not full exotics.
Do you honestly believe the not full exotics party will clear just as fast and as easily as the full exotic party? If so then you dont have a problem, simply form parties specifically for not full exotic players and do whatever it is you need to. If you dont believe it will be as fast/easy then you know exactly why people would kick you for it.

Elitism is just entitled whiners complaining that every party should cater specifically to them, despite them not meeting (the absurdly easy) requirements of that party.

Also holy kitten being able to just right click someone to view what awesome looking armor they’re wearing would be sweet as all heck.

Zenyatoo.4059:

Its a good feature, and anyone who talks about elitism needs to get over themselves.

Lets run through some hypotheticals:

You join a group for fractals. They inspect you and find you dont have enough AR. They ask if you forgot to equip your rings. If you cannot equip enough AR. You get the boot.
This is fair and just. While a skilled player can make up for a lack of AR, you are trying to get the party to take you on faith that you are skilled enough. This isnt fair to the other 4 people. No one should have to rely on the idea that a PuG is skilled.

You join a party for CoF farm. They inspect you and find that you arent running zerker gear. They ask you to switch and when you cannot they kick you.
This is fair and just. Part of the CoF farm is doing it as fast as possible, this means zerker gear. Yes a skilled player may still outDPS a non skilled one, but that doesnt mean you can, and your party again would have to take you on faith of your abilities, which they (quite correctly given the standard of most PuG’s) wont.

You join a group, they inspect you and find you dont have exotic gear. They kick you.
This is fair and just. Exotics do make a serious difference. I really shouldnt have to explain the basic process by now.

Complaining that you will be kicked by parties is honestly entitlement. You are demanding that parties take you because you perceive yourself to be just as strong/capable as people who have natural advantages over you due to their gear. Even if you were correct (and you probably are not. As gear is easy as balls to obtain, so if you cant get a proper gear set, then you probably arent as good as you think you are) you are still demanding that 4 other people take you on your word, and be prepared to carry you if you’re wrong. No one wants to do that.

The argument is self-defeating.
Take a party of full exotics, and one in not full exotics.
Do you honestly believe the not full exotics party will clear just as fast and as easily as the full exotic party? If so then you dont have a problem, simply form parties specifically for not full exotic players and do whatever it is you need to. If you dont believe it will be as fast/easy then you know exactly why people would kick you for it.

Elitism is just entitled whiners complaining that every party should cater specifically to them, despite them not meeting (the absurdly easy) requirements of that party.

Also holy kitten being able to just right click someone to view what awesome looking armor they’re wearing would be sweet as all heck.

Finally someone who can think.
It’s not fair to inspect your gear, but it’s fair to make other 4 guys carry you.

Sovta.4719:

Zenyatoo.4059:

Its a good feature, and anyone who talks about elitism needs to get over themselves.

Lets run through some hypotheticals:

You join a group for fractals. They inspect you and find you dont have enough AR. They ask if you forgot to equip your rings. If you cannot equip enough AR. You get the boot.
This is fair and just. While a skilled player can make up for a lack of AR, you are trying to get the party to take you on faith that you are skilled enough. This isnt fair to the other 4 people. No one should have to rely on the idea that a PuG is skilled.

You join a party for CoF farm. They inspect you and find that you arent running zerker gear. They ask you to switch and when you cannot they kick you.
This is fair and just. Part of the CoF farm is doing it as fast as possible, this means zerker gear. Yes a skilled player may still outDPS a non skilled one, but that doesnt mean you can, and your party again would have to take you on faith of your abilities, which they (quite correctly given the standard of most PuG’s) wont.

You join a group, they inspect you and find you dont have exotic gear. They kick you.
This is fair and just. Exotics do make a serious difference. I really shouldnt have to explain the basic process by now.

Complaining that you will be kicked by parties is honestly entitlement. You are demanding that parties take you because you perceive yourself to be just as strong/capable as people who have natural advantages over you due to their gear. Even if you were correct (and you probably are not. As gear is easy as balls to obtain, so if you cant get a proper gear set, then you probably arent as good as you think you are) you are still demanding that 4 other people take you on your word, and be prepared to carry you if you’re wrong. No one wants to do that.

The argument is self-defeating.
Take a party of full exotics, and one in not full exotics.
Do you honestly believe the not full exotics party will clear just as fast and as easily as the full exotic party? If so then you dont have a problem, simply form parties specifically for not full exotic players and do whatever it is you need to. If you dont believe it will be as fast/easy then you know exactly why people would kick you for it.

Elitism is just entitled whiners complaining that every party should cater specifically to them, despite them not meeting (the absurdly easy) requirements of that party.

Also holy kitten being able to just right click someone to view what awesome looking armor they’re wearing would be sweet as all heck.

Finally someone who can think.
It’s not fair to inspect your gear, but it’s fair to make other 4 guys carry you.

Yeah to the elitist, carrying someone means they aren’t wearing best in slot items and it might increase their speed runs by 60 seconds – yet they’ll sit their waiting for the right person for an hour.

Outside of that you’re going to get bad players no matter what you implement and as long as you are going to PuG that’s the risk you run. If the gear is truly that important to you and you can’t find four other people to run dungeons with perhaps skyrim or something would be more up your alley.

Carrying someone means ressing them 20-30 times, in fotm usually cause of little AR.
Or maybe Skyrim is for you, cause you don’t have to be good team player there. Only make sure to put easy mode.

Sovta.4719:

Carrying someone means ressing them 20-30 times, in fotm usually cause of little AR.
Or maybe Skyrim is for you, cause you don’t have to be good team player there. Only make sure to put easy mode.

Don’t get your panties in a knot because I am right. You are a small minority of the small minority if that’s what it means to you. I doubt it though. Stop pugging or stop crying. If you can’t find friends to play with then as I said offline games may be best for you.

no Just no – does “gearscore” ring a bell?

Poledo.3256:

Sovta.4719:

Carrying someone means ressing them 20-30 times, in fotm usually cause of little AR.
Or maybe Skyrim is for you, cause you don’t have to be good team player there. Only make sure to put easy mode.

Don’t get your panties in a knot because I am right. You are a small minority of the small minority if that’s what it means to you. I doubt it though. Stop pugging or stop crying. If you can’t find friends to play with then as I said offline games may be best for you.

lf2m arah p3. experienced only
lf last guardian fractals 20 daily (self invit)
LF 2M heavy fratal 18 ^^
LF1M Warriors CoF p1 farm!
warr LFG arah path3,2 experienced group only
LF1M frac12+14 war/guard only =) heavy-way!
yea, i am minority

Sovta.4719:

Poledo.3256:

Sovta.4719:

Carrying someone means ressing them 20-30 times, in fotm usually cause of little AR.
Or maybe Skyrim is for you, cause you don’t have to be good team player there. Only make sure to put easy mode.

Don’t get your panties in a knot because I am right. You are a small minority of the small minority if that’s what it means to you. I doubt it though. Stop pugging or stop crying. If you can’t find friends to play with then as I said offline games may be best for you.

lf2m arah p3. experienced only
lf last guardian fractals 20 daily (self invit)
LF 2M heavy fratal 18 ^^
LF1M Warriors CoF p1 farm!
warr LFG arah path3,2 experienced group only
LF1M frac12+14 war/guard only =) heavy-way!
yea, i am minority

Looks like you are, those people are online playing the game and having fun it seems.

Poledo.3256:

Sovta.4719:

Poledo.3256:

Sovta.4719:

Carrying someone means ressing them 20-30 times, in fotm usually cause of little AR.
Or maybe Skyrim is for you, cause you don’t have to be good team player there. Only make sure to put easy mode.

Don’t get your panties in a knot because I am right. You are a small minority of the small minority if that’s what it means to you. I doubt it though. Stop pugging or stop crying. If you can’t find friends to play with then as I said offline games may be best for you.

lf2m arah p3. experienced only
lf last guardian fractals 20 daily (self invit)
LF 2M heavy fratal 18 ^^
LF1M Warriors CoF p1 farm!
warr LFG arah path3,2 experienced group only
LF1M frac12+14 war/guard only =) heavy-way!
yea, i am minority

Looks like you are, those people are online playing the game and having fun it seems.

I’m doing spvp as i type, but most of the players are like you so its easy.
And yea, they are having fun looking for avoiding guys like you. Would love to see your face when they introduce gear check (and they will, like agony, like new gear)

Sovta.4719:

Poledo.3256:

Sovta.4719:

Poledo.3256:

Sovta.4719:

Carrying someone means ressing them 20-30 times, in fotm usually cause of little AR.
Or maybe Skyrim is for you, cause you don’t have to be good team player there. Only make sure to put easy mode.

Don’t get your panties in a knot because I am right. You are a small minority of the small minority if that’s what it means to you. I doubt it though. Stop pugging or stop crying. If you can’t find friends to play with then as I said offline games may be best for you.

lf2m arah p3. experienced only
lf last guardian fractals 20 daily (self invit)
LF 2M heavy fratal 18 ^^
LF1M Warriors CoF p1 farm!
warr LFG arah path3,2 experienced group only
LF1M frac12+14 war/guard only =) heavy-way!
yea, i am minority

Looks like you are, those people are online playing the game and having fun it seems.

I’m doing spvp as i type, but most of the players are like you so its easy.
And yea, they are having fun looking for avoiding guys like you. Would love to see your face when they introduce gear check (and they will, like agony, like new gear)

Thanks for proving that you are what I suspected, one of the elitist snobs. Good job on assuming some person you have read three posts from is a noob and bad player just because I disagree with you. Don’t worry you won’t need to see my face if they introduce gear check (and they won’t) because I will have stopped playing at that point. See unlike you, I don’t moan and complain, I just move on without expecting people to cater to my whims.

Then move on, why are you commenting?

Are you being purposely obtuse or really that ignorant?

Winfernal.9208:

Chuo.4238:

My two cents:

A big “NO” to inspecting gear. Every other MMO has that feature. If I want to inspect people, I’ll play those games.

Please try to keep GW2 different from other MMO’s; even if you’ve already started down the slippery WoW-clone slope, it’s not too late to stop.

Terrible logic.

Not logic at all, really.

Point is: we don’t need an inspection feature in GW2, and I like it that way. I hope it stays that way.

wildcode.5403:

This should not be implemented as it will result in “elitist” behaviour with any sort of group activity and encourage discrimination against sections of the community who do not have the “expected” setup.

As an example someone might want to speed run dungeons, and have it in their mind that only people setup for DPS can do speed runs efficiently so will start inspecting anyone who wants to join the party to see if they have a class cannon build or not, and remove anyone who does not.

Also, how far do you take a system like this, just armour, jewels, weapons, what about traits and skills? Implementing a partial inspect system will result in some vocal members wanting more information from the inspection.

Guild Wars 2 is about, using ArenaNet’s own mantra, playing the game the way you want, this include armour setup, weapons, jewels, traits and skills. Allowing an inspection tool would ultimately result in a reduction of variety in player builds as people will standardise their builds to what groups expect them to have.

Theres already plenty of elitest behaviour…just PUG a fractals grooup…

May as well add more fuel to the fire…I say add it

Winfernal.9208:

So first off, for those who don’t know what it is.

“Inspecting gear” is a feature where you can check anyones gears in a UI. By right clicking or something else.

My view on this:

It would make it easier to check out someones gear if you’re curious. You wouldn’t have to link every piece.

But then again, It would also increase the level of “gear checking” for dungeons, etc. At that would pollute the community. “You must have x gear to enter this group”. Just like the “You have to be warrior to join this group”, only worse.

It would also make it easier to bash somone because of their gear.

These are the only things i can think about when it comes to this topic.

So, i ask you.

Should it be implented? Or not? Give us your opinion!

Simply put no to ingame gear check. Now if AN wants to start a fractal gear score system where content is locked until you reach a certain agony rating I’m fine with that.

It’s sad that we can’t trust other players to tell the truth about their gear and stats and experience and have to resort to such methods instead.

I’m kind of middle of the road for the whole thing. I have never experienced a bad group because I genuinely felt that the person that was always getting downed had kitten gear/build. I think people should be allowed to play the way they want, and with that they should learn by that experience if their build/gear is not up to par with the way they play or the dungeon or whatever. Different gear/setup works with different playstyles. You don’t have to be BiS or cookie cutter to be good at the game.

Being able to see achievements might be ok. Of course this doesn’t mean they are ‘good’ in order to get the achievements, but it might be a less invasion way to judge peoples ability.

I understand wanting to maybe see someones AR for fractals. But even so, if thats the only dungeon we will ever need the dumb resistance stat in then it doesn’t merit for inspection ability imo.

Katreyn.4218:

It’s sad that we can’t trust other players to tell the truth about their gear and stats and experience and have to resort to such methods instead.

I’m kind of middle of the road for the whole thing. I have never experienced a bad group because I genuinely felt that the person that was always getting downed had kitten gear/build. I think people should be allowed to play the way they want, and with that they should learn by that experience if their build/gear is not up to par with the way they play or the dungeon or whatever. Different gear/setup works with different playstyles. You don’t have to be BiS or cookie cutter to be good at the game.

Being able to see achievements might be ok. Of course this doesn’t mean they are ‘good’ in order to get the achievements, but it might be a less invasion way to judge peoples ability.

I understand wanting to maybe see someones AR for fractals. But even so, if thats the only dungeon we will ever need the dumb resistance stat in then it doesn’t merit for inspection ability imo.

Whats sad is the elitist attitude that no one should ever be wearing gear that they see as unfit. They want to force others to play their way or they get kicked and excluded. They have this idea in their heads that if their missing 2 points into power, or precision, or some other stat, they’re a noob, play bad, and will have to be carried. No. This is a skill based game; anyone with rare armor on could mop the floor with another with exotic gear, or could use teamwork and outmatch a person with the best gears effectiveness if they know how to play. Look at the player, not the gear.

Every one is too serious about this me and my friend play WoW and now started to play GW2 and there is nou gear inspect?? it is not difficult we would like to see when the other one got a nice new gear piece, and yes some people will be arrogant about their gear….sou what let them nobody should care that function would just be fun and nice to have….

I personally am not a fan of gear checking. I’m generally confident in my ability to carry people who are less better off. However I can not not always say the same for my allies.

PvE in practically any MMO has never really needed an elite team and yet too many insist they have only the best whether that means waiting longer or calling a dungeon/raid/event off altogether.

It honestly annoys me to no end. Arguing the point also doesn’t tend to teach such idiots anything. It just makes them angry. It’s not as bad as how every MOBA player is a self-proclaimed expert, but it’s bad nontheless.

Terrible idea. I make sure I get full exotic equipment on my characters now before even really attempting any of the dungeons but if people started making requirements of needing such gear then that just becomes a ridiculous level of elitism.
While pinging skills in the original GW was necessary in some parts to make sure people weren’t too ill-equipped it still led to really obnoxious conversations a lot of the time because of people who were “better at the game” than others.

As has been said before, inspect skins but not stats.

I’m going for that Ascended Amulet with my laurels. And I either want the 20% gold or 20% MF.

I can run dungeons exp fine now that I’ve my exotic gear and rare accessories. I run dungeons for cash and tokens. I don’t care if it takes 3 minutes longer because I didn’t have the +4 precision or whatever infusion.

And in terms of actual gear identity, there are more than enough sites that show armour skins; dulfy, gw2 wiki, gw2armor…I honestly don’t think it’s that necessary as we have a fantastic out of game information well provided by knowledgeable pillars of the community. 90% of the time people will want to know about the skins.

I do, however, agree that you should be able to check AR for high level fractals…but it’s not like they’re gonna last long if they don’t have it, are they?

Sovta.4719:

Zenyatoo.4059:

Complaining that you will be kicked by parties is honestly entitlement. You are demanding that parties take you because you perceive yourself to be just as strong/capable as people who have natural advantages over you due to their gear.

Finally someone who can think.
It’s not fair to inspect your gear, but it’s fair to make other 4 guys carry you.

The underlying problem with this argument is the assumption that somehow exotic gear or a particular set of gear can overcome poorly built or played characters in GW2. Don’t you think that the players that are there to leech off of other folks are going to put on the gear that gets them the most acceptance into a group?

There is no way to tell before you actually play with someone whether or not they can carry their weight, and gear inspections are just a way to exclude people without giving them a chance to explain why they don’t need the gear you think they do. If you’re looking for someone experienced with a particular dungeon path, you should be able to tell by talking with them if they know what it necessary to get it done quickly. You should also be able to tell in the first couple of fights whether someone is dead weight, and replace them before you waste too much time.

If someone asks me to link my gear without being concerned about my build, I just drop team and find another. Regardless of what people think, unless you’re running a straight cookie cutter build and gear template, there’s no way to tell from solely from your gear whether or not you’ll be successful on a team. And pushing people into cookie cutter builds stifles more creative builds that might be more efficient than the one that everyone has decided is the Best.

I get that people don’t want to take the time to build a team – they just want to run the dungeon fast and not have to babysit anyone. The answer to that problem is not gear inspections, it’s some sort of measurement of their experience with the dungeon in question.

Pandemoniac.4739:

Complaining that you will be kicked by parties is honestly entitlement. You are demanding that parties take you because you perceive yourself to be just as strong/capable as people who have natural advantages over you due to their gear.

Don’t you think that the players that are there to leech off of other folks are going to put on the gear that gets them the most acceptance into a group?
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Don’t you think we won’t find out in dungeon?
And yes, you can tell by gear if someone did FotM.

Sovta.4719:

Pandemoniac.4739:

Don’t you think that the players that are there to leech off of other folks are going to put on the gear that gets them the most acceptance into a group?

Don’t you think we won’t find out in dungeon?

That’s my point exactly. You can’t tell before you get into the dungeon, but you’re excluding folks that could very well be an asset by just looking at gear. You can’t tell if the gear that you see them wearing when you inspect them will actually be the gear they wear in the dungeon. By relying on gear, you’re limiting yourself to a pool of folks that probably has a higher percentage of people that intend to make the team carry them.

It would be better to be able to see badges of some sort for accomplishing different dungeon related things. Gear is the worst way possible to judge the effectiveness of a particular player in GW2. Yeah fractals are special because of the agony mechanic, but it still comes down to guessing when you’re putting together a PUG, and of all the clues you have, gear is the worst indicator of performance.

I’ve better luck judging player effectiveness for PUGs by looking at the names they chose for their character. I also put a check in the capable column if a player starts asking other folks what they’re bringing to the table build-wise so they can adjust their build to fill in the gaps.

Pandemoniac.4739:

It would be better to be able to see badges of some sort for accomplishing different dungeon related things. Gear is the worst way possible to judge the effectiveness of a particular player in GW2. Yeah fractals are special because of the agony mechanic, but it still comes down to guessing when you’re putting together a PUG, and of all the clues you have, gear is the worst indicator of performance.

I’ve better luck judging player effectiveness for PUGs by looking at the names they chose for their character. I also give put a check in the capable column if a player starts asking other folks what they’re bringing to the table build-wise so they can adjust their build to fill in the gaps.

I agreewith this.
Sometimes achievement points show you how experienced is someone and DM title. But we still have problem with MF leechers, it’s selfish and i don’t see point in MF gear anyway. (just give MF buffs like food, boosters, no gear/runes/sigils)

I am against this as everyone has there own build and might have odd stats on there gear , but if it works for them then it is fine.

Also if you play with people you know, and hopefully trust, then you could just talk to them about there build.

DOW Mageski.2097:

I am against this as everyone has there own build and might have odd stats on there gear , but if it works for them then it is fine.

If it works for them they can play solo.

Sovta.4719:

Zenyatoo.4059:

Its a good feature, and anyone who talks about elitism needs to get over themselves.

Lets run through some hypotheticals:

You join a group for fractals. They inspect you and find you dont have enough AR. They ask if you forgot to equip your rings. If you cannot equip enough AR. You get the boot.
This is fair and just. While a skilled player can make up for a lack of AR, you are trying to get the party to take you on faith that you are skilled enough. This isnt fair to the other 4 people. No one should have to rely on the idea that a PuG is skilled.

You join a party for CoF farm. They inspect you and find that you arent running zerker gear. They ask you to switch and when you cannot they kick you.
This is fair and just. Part of the CoF farm is doing it as fast as possible, this means zerker gear. Yes a skilled player may still outDPS a non skilled one, but that doesnt mean you can, and your party again would have to take you on faith of your abilities, which they (quite correctly given the standard of most PuG’s) wont.

You join a group, they inspect you and find you dont have exotic gear. They kick you.
This is fair and just. Exotics do make a serious difference. I really shouldnt have to explain the basic process by now.

Complaining that you will be kicked by parties is honestly entitlement. You are demanding that parties take you because you perceive yourself to be just as strong/capable as people who have natural advantages over you due to their gear. Even if you were correct (and you probably are not. As gear is easy as balls to obtain, so if you cant get a proper gear set, then you probably arent as good as you think you are) you are still demanding that 4 other people take you on your word, and be prepared to carry you if you’re wrong. No one wants to do that.

The argument is self-defeating.
Take a party of full exotics, and one in not full exotics.
Do you honestly believe the not full exotics party will clear just as fast and as easily as the full exotic party? If so then you dont have a problem, simply form parties specifically for not full exotic players and do whatever it is you need to. If you dont believe it will be as fast/easy then you know exactly why people would kick you for it.

Elitism is just entitled whiners complaining that every party should cater specifically to them, despite them not meeting (the absurdly easy) requirements of that party.

Also holy kitten being able to just right click someone to view what awesome looking armor they’re wearing would be sweet as all heck.

Finally someone who can think.
It’s not fair to inspect your gear, but it’s fair to make other 4 guys carry you.

As if somebody in Berserker’s won’t necessarily be “carried”. He/she may be using the gear just as a means to get a group, not because he/she is “awesome.” So many ways to play other than Berserker’s friends.

Berserker’s only people can be so close-minded and intolerant. I mean, it’s totally FINE to love and use Berserker’s, but why isn’t it fine for others to use whatever else? Hint: strict use of Berserker’s gear doesn’t make you any sort of GW2 “elite” player-just elitist, for wanting (more usually, forcing) others to use it in order to be “more efficient”; nothing else will do for your type.

No offense, but the intolerance is rather offensive.

Pandemoniac.4739:

Sovta.4719:

Zenyatoo.4059:

Complaining that you will be kicked by parties is honestly entitlement. You are demanding that parties take you because you perceive yourself to be just as strong/capable as people who have natural advantages over you due to their gear.

Finally someone who can think.
It’s not fair to inspect your gear, but it’s fair to make other 4 guys carry you.

The underlying problem with this argument is the assumption that somehow exotic gear or a particular set of gear can overcome poorly built or played characters in GW2. Don’t you think that the players that are there to leech off of other folks are going to put on the gear that gets them the most acceptance into a group?

There is no way to tell before you actually play with someone whether or not they can carry their weight, and gear inspections are just a way to exclude people without giving them a chance to explain why they don’t need the gear you think they do. If you’re looking for someone experienced with a particular dungeon path, you should be able to tell by talking with them if they know what it necessary to get it done quickly. You should also be able to tell in the first couple of fights whether someone is dead weight, and replace them before you waste too much time.

If someone asks me to link my gear without being concerned about my build, I just drop team and find another. Regardless of what people think, unless you’re running a straight cookie cutter build and gear template, there’s no way to tell from solely from your gear whether or not you’ll be successful on a team. And pushing people into cookie cutter builds stifles more creative builds that might be more efficient than the one that everyone has decided is the Best.

I get that people don’t want to take the time to build a team – they just want to run the dungeon fast and not have to babysit anyone. The answer to that problem is not gear inspections, it’s some sort of measurement of their experience with the dungeon in question.

Finally someone who not only can think, but is also fair and open-minded.

Star Ace.5207:

Sovta.4719:

Zenyatoo.4059:

Its a good feature, and anyone who talks about elitism needs to get over themselves.

Lets run through some hypotheticals:

You join a group for fractals. They inspect you and find you dont have enough AR. They ask if you forgot to equip your rings. If you cannot equip enough AR. You get the boot.
This is fair and just. While a skilled player can make up for a lack of AR, you are trying to get the party to take you on faith that you are skilled enough. This isnt fair to the other 4 people. No one should have to rely on the idea that a PuG is skilled.

You join a party for CoF farm. They inspect you and find that you arent running zerker gear. They ask you to switch and when you cannot they kick you.
This is fair and just. Part of the CoF farm is doing it as fast as possible, this means zerker gear. Yes a skilled player may still outDPS a non skilled one, but that doesnt mean you can, and your party again would have to take you on faith of your abilities, which they (quite correctly given the standard of most PuG’s) wont.

You join a group, they inspect you and find you dont have exotic gear. They kick you.
This is fair and just. Exotics do make a serious difference. I really shouldnt have to explain the basic process by now.

Complaining that you will be kicked by parties is honestly entitlement. You are demanding that parties take you because you perceive yourself to be just as strong/capable as people who have natural advantages over you due to their gear. Even if you were correct (and you probably are not. As gear is easy as balls to obtain, so if you cant get a proper gear set, then you probably arent as good as you think you are) you are still demanding that 4 other people take you on your word, and be prepared to carry you if you’re wrong. No one wants to do that.

The argument is self-defeating.
Take a party of full exotics, and one in not full exotics.
Do you honestly believe the not full exotics party will clear just as fast and as easily as the full exotic party? If so then you dont have a problem, simply form parties specifically for not full exotic players and do whatever it is you need to. If you dont believe it will be as fast/easy then you know exactly why people would kick you for it.

Elitism is just entitled whiners complaining that every party should cater specifically to them, despite them not meeting (the absurdly easy) requirements of that party.

Also holy kitten being able to just right click someone to view what awesome looking armor they’re wearing would be sweet as all heck.

Finally someone who can think.
It’s not fair to inspect your gear, but it’s fair to make other 4 guys carry you.

As if somebody in Berserker’s won’t necessarily be “carried”. He/she may be using the gear just as a means to get a group, not because he/she is “awesome.” So many ways to play other than Berserker’s friends.

Berserker’s only people can be so close-minded and intolerant. I mean, it’s totally FINE to love and use Berserker’s, but why isn’t it fine for others to use whatever else? Hint: strict use of Berserker’s gear doesn’t make you any sort of GW2 “elite” player-just elitist, for wanting (more usually, forcing) others to use it in order to be “more efficient”; nothing else will do for your type.

No offense, but the intolerance is rather offensive.

Dude, i play guardian focusing more on support then DPS, having 2 gears if needed, switching utilitys according to my party and NEEDS of my party.