Guild Wars 2

So..

Why is this even a debate to begin with if I can party with people cross server anyways to do a dungeon?

Do people have a problem with convenience? The arguement of, “it ruins the game and community” is nill due to the fact that people can jump in and out of any server through guesting anyways.

Why is this an issue? Why are people so ignorant towards a process that would only save them time and lower frustrations for people who don’t have 4+ hours a day to play the game?

It’s not like their would be a queue time because of the lack of a holy trinity.

… So what’s the deal?

It’s also VERY sad that a website like this even exsists;
http://www.gw2lfg.com/

inb4 “too hard to make friends” or “join a guild”.
I have 8 guilds and I usually have to go into all of them just to ask for people to run a dungeon, and then usually I have to pick a random up anyways.

This method of group finding is just dumb.. Very, very old school, time consuming and dumb. It’s like using a terrible video card in a computer with amazing compenents. Just why do it?

I don’t even know a single person who does dungeons because they like them, they do the for whatever reasons they have to do them.

Once those reasons are finished, they never go back.

This month, my guild was super busy, everyone was in dungeons. Why? The Monthly. Once we all completed our monthly, no one has any desire to do the dungeons.

I don’t see why a LFG tool is needed. If you have 8 guilds and can’t find 4 people that want to run a dungeon the problem is the dungeons, not the players.

That’s a bad response, plenty of reasons to do dungeons; including components for legendaries.

Got to run them over and over.

And also, if that were true, why would that website exsist? Your opinion is just wrong. “People just don’t want to run them!” , worst excuse I’ve heard yet.

Sorry.

There is no debate.

Add gw2lfg.com to the guild wars interface in some manner. End of discussion.

I’m in only one guild (a small one at that), and normally can find a guildie or two that want to go to a dungeon with me without any problems. Then one person asks for players on map chat where the dungeon is located and one in Lions Arch, and the group is full in less than 10 minutes. No matter if it’s peak time or late at night or early in the morning. I never used that LFG website once in my life and I do dungeons more or less on a daily basis.

I really can’t see where the problem is, unless your server is totally different than mine.
Don’t see anything wrong at all with having to actually make contact and talk to people before you jump into the action.

If I liked playing together with whoever I ended up with, people go on my friend list and I have even more players to ask if not enough guildies are around.
That’s community, and a nice way to get to know people on your server.

I do like it that way because things are personal and you make friends you actually care to see again, unlike that anonymous mass phenomenon LFG tools create.

Kumu Honua.2751:

There is no debate.

Add gw2lfg.com to the guild wars interface in some manner. End of discussion.

I thought everyone used this by now. Rarely find a dungeon grp in /m

Any debate I’ve seen about it has been very one-sided. People want an LFG Tool in-game; the anti argument is really weak (the community will suffer; though I can’t imagine how, realistically).

ANet has said that they’re working on it. As always, they can’t give an ETA, but it’s always good to hear that they at least have it slated.

Velkyn.5168:

I really can’t see where the problem is, unless your server is totally different than mine.
Don’t see anything wrong at all with having to actually make contact and talk to people before you jump into the action.

This is exactly the problem. There’s 24 US servers and each one has different player demographics in terms of time zones/concurrent population. I didn’t like the idea of using that LFG site either, but it is way easier for me to find or add people to a group that way. What I’m stuck with if I don’t use the site is spamming LFG in the zone outside the dungeon and then porting to LA overflow to spam and then transferring to LA of my server to spam some more and repeat.
We can already guest over to other servers and run with people from other servers. The addition of a LFG tool won’t prevent you from making contact with people on your own server, but it does make me have to wait an hour or two to find a group.

In my mind there is nothing to debate, the best LFG tool I have come across in my 10 years of playing MMO is from RIFT. Where players are selected for there roles and then put in a group.

For some players like myself with limited play time a cross server tool, would be more helpful then standing in LA yelling out LFG for half hour with no responses. At least if there was a tool of some type, I could continue to farm and play while waiting for a group to pop. I realize that MMO’s are meant to be time sinks, but not in away that forces me to sit in LA for valuable playing time hoping to get into a dunteon run.

Cheers

I love doing dungeons when I have the time, I’m just against any auto dungeon finder because it means people aren’t even talking.

Fixing the group finder like anet say they want to, is a good thing, allows people to group for all sorts of things not just dungeons.

until then gw2lfg is great, so don’t spend time being frustrated, try it :P

Half Mystic.9072:

So..

Why is this even a debate to begin with if I can party with people cross server anyways to do a dungeon?

Do people have a problem with convenience? The arguement of, “it ruins the game and community” is nill due to the fact that people can jump in and out of any server through guesting anyways.

Why is this an issue? Why are people so ignorant towards a process that would only save them time and lower frustrations for people who don’t have 4+ hours a day to play the game?

It’s not like their would be a queue time because of the lack of a holy trinity.

… So what’s the deal?

It’s also VERY sad that a website like this even exsists;
http://www.gw2lfg.com/

inb4 “too hard to make friends” or “join a guild”.
I have 8 guilds and I usually have to go into all of them just to ask for people to run a dungeon, and then usually I have to pick a random up anyways.

This method of group finding is just dumb.. Very, very old school, time consuming and dumb. It’s like using a terrible video card in a computer with amazing compenents. Just why do it?

As much as it pains me to say this you’re absolutely right. I hated dungeon only lobby games but it seems that’s what the management at Anet wants so why not have one. They need this type of thing now that they’ve successfully turned this game into a dungeon grinder.

What I don’t understand is how they could let this game turn into a dungeon grinder. Now They want everything to be all about the dungeons, why not make it simple to find a group and stand around in the cities like zombies like all other games before this one, waiting to join a group of strangers get yelled at or do the yelling if some newb drops by and is just along for the fun. Who cares if dungeons have been shown to destroy communities by allowing the worst of the worst players in any community to demand things like dps meters and gear check to discriminate.

They’re going to have to do some major changes to the world coming up to get their casuals back, starting with content. DE metas would be a good start, but before all that they’re either going to have to fix the problems with DR or remove DR entirely until they can learn to program it not to harm the players.

There is no reason not to have it. Think I heard Anet say that the social interactions of looking for party members, yelling in map chat and using their poor excuse of a lfg tool now brought players closer. They just fail to realize that their entire game has made players require little to no social interaction with each other.

Everyone has a name that sticks across every GW2 server so it’s logical to have a lfg tool that allows you to group up with people across all of these servers. Not having to hop in and out of LA to get a new group of players in an overflow. It’s convenience when it comes down to it. I would go as far to say that I just don’t think they really know how to implement it or even code it to make it work properly.

I have been an LFG tool advocate since the game released, and really think this game could benefit from one. HOWEVER, I strongly believe that before they implement one they really, really need to fix the utterly broken /kick system in grouping. Otherwise it’s going to be a slaughter out there…

Gw2lfg is actually fantastic, the fact that dungeons are cross-server and you can leave/read comments about the run eliminates any potential issues (“But you don’t have berserker’s gear!?!!”) with finding a bad/undesired group, and makes the entire experience quick and easy. I’ve literally never spent more than 15 minutes to find a full group and almost all of the runs composed of gw2lfg teammates went well.

Guild runs are always preferable, but it’s a great resource. ANet would literally need to do nothing but provide an in-game HTML hook to the gw2lfg interface and its work would be done.

Who cares if dungeons have been shown to destroy communities by allowing the worst of the worst players in any community to demand things like dps meters and gear check to discriminate.

I think you may well be missing the myriad benefits of the system.

GW2LFG lets those players group with each other to their hearts’ content, without bothering you. Skip listings that say “must be warrior/have DPS gear” or “only full speed zerg runs” and look for (or create) ones that say “no skipping/fighting all,” “any classes welcome,” “first time,” etc.

I have no tolerance for “you must be [x] to get in group” mentality and I still use gw2lfg all the time if I can’t fill up a guild run. By and large the players I’ve met have been a delight to group with.

Effectively forming groups for fractals would be vastly more slow and tedious without gw2lfg.

The whole “no lfg tool to make people socialize” did never convince me anway. Think about the time before everybody and their dog used that site, 99% of the lion’s arch map chat was “lfm2, level 16, 10ar req”. That’s basically a primitive text form of what a lfg tool offers, only worse because much fewer people get to see it.
I have never ever, seen anybody having an actual conversation because of lfgs, the only thing I could even vaguely imagine would be someone berating someone else about how much ar would be needed for any given level.

TLDR: GW2lfg is here to stay, the game mechanics basically demand it to. Might as well implement it properly now.

gw2lfg is a very suitable alternative if ANet doesn’t have the resources to focus on an lfg tool at the moment.

However, I would like to eventually see an in-game official alternative.

I’m sure they would not have problems coding in the LFG interface. When you open the trading post interface, it’s actually loading a chromium browser page and the info is shared among all servers. They can do the same with LFG.

Just looking at http://www.gw2lfg.com/ its bring back those awful feeling I got back when I was playing wow. Why you may ask ? Because already I see people posting YOU MUST DO MAX DPS AND MUST LINK YOUR GEAR or be kick. This is the part where people is going to get use then abuse.

How would this be abused? No one is forcing you to join the group that you don’t want to. Without the LFG tool you would still encounter that group by shouting out LFG in chat, except you would not know that there are 20 other people from other servers looking for someone and they don’t have gear requirements.

They are already working on a LFG tool. They’ve said it’ll be usable for more than just dungeons.

i say copy gw2lfg.com!

its a little bit social, but not too much

but the game needs a tool, for sure… dont expect to do story mode dungeons without it.
i hope new players can find a way to learn about it.

Dikeido.8436:

Just looking at http://www.gw2lfg.com/ its bring back those awful feeling I got back when I was playing wow. Why you may ask ? Because already I see people posting YOU MUST DO MAX DPS AND MUST LINK YOUR GEAR or be kick. This is the part where people is going to get use then abuse.

Only abused if they join and dont meet the party’s demands.

I’ve had great success recruiting through the site taking whomever types /join first. Of course… that one time I picked up some that didnt speak English because I accidently posted in the Euro section didnt work out so well. :P

This needs to be done sooner rather than later for a couple of other reasons I’m not seeing mentioned here.

Firstly, when they had the outstanding idea of adding the entrance to Fractals in LA, they all but killed off normal social chat there. There’s a slow clap moment if ever I saw one.

And secondly, while I appreciate how useful gw2lfg is, surely it poses a security risk?
At the moment it doesn’t require account names or passwords, but it DOES require a character name. If the operators of the site decided to, I’m sure they could find some nefarious way of exploiting the site and the userbase. Do ArenaNet really want to be forcing their players to use something that could potentially put their accounts in danger?

Spamming LFG and using a LFG tool are the same thing. They don’t ruin the idea of a server community because there already isn’t one. If there was one you wouldn’t be spamming “LFG” or having to resort to an external website. Furthmore if there was a server community people wouldn’t be relying on their guilds to find groups either, indeed guild reliance is probably one of the biggest ways to destroy the idea of a server community because it makes people extremely insular (anyone outside the guild is greeted with suspicion despite being on the same server).

Pretty sure there was never resistance toward a gw2lfg.com style dungeon/group finder. What people have a problem with is a completely randomized group builder. Which I agree is a step further than the tool needs to be taken.

EverythingXen.1835:

Only abused if they join and dont meet the party’s demands.

Welcome to the future of what MMO “communities” mean, folks.

You can thank WoW for this, and Arenanet for deciding to try to follow in that game’s footsteps.

Tolmos.8395:

EverythingXen.1835:

Only abused if they join and dont meet the party’s demands.

Welcome to the future of what MMO “communities” mean, folks.

You can thank WoW for this, and Arenanet for deciding to try to follow in that game’s footsteps.

What does this have to do with WoW. If a group is looking for a player with certain characteristics then they are free to do so. Players looking for a group are free to not join. Why should ANet be trying to group up people that don’t want to be together.

Tolmos.8395:

EverythingXen.1835:

Only abused if they join and dont meet the party’s demands.

Welcome to the future of what MMO “communities” mean, folks.

You can thank WoW for this, and Arenanet for deciding to try to follow in that game’s footsteps.

Sorry… if youre stupid enough to join a team full of elitist dickheads (proudly proclaiming this in the description of the dungeon run) when there are plenty like myself that take whomever comes along, you’re asking for abuse.

Use the site to AVOID idiot groups like that. Just like they AVOID groups like mine.

I’ll use the in game LFG when it gets implemented to do the same.

Didn’t FOTM (rofl at the insulting acronym) already do enough to turn this game into “Lion’s Arch Wars”?

Hello all.

I think why a lot of people are blown off by an “LFG tool” probably took place when WoW implemented a tool as such. All you had to do was sign up on the tool. It would auto-match and put a group together for you. There were implications and the repercussions are the current opinions about it.

Many claim to be vanilla players but I think probably 1 in 10 were. One step before this auto-matching system was a far simpler tool.

You pick a dungeon, you put your name on it. Your name/class/level is displayed. Anyone too lazy to form a party would just put their name on it and wait to be called out. Anyone with the initiative to form a party would have a buffet.

Now because populations per server on WoW are pretty large compared to most other MMOs, if I couldn’t find anyone on the list, I could do cold calling. I could do a specific search based on a level/profession/guild. A result would show and I’d ask around.

And if you entered yourself into a party, your name disappears from the list. This doesn’t happen on GW2LFG.com Furthermore, it relies on the warm cochleas (‘kittenles’, courtesy of Alan Shore) of a player’s heart to remove his entry out of his own accord if he finds what he needs.

Which doesn’t happen, as a result, I’d only entertain people forming groups or form a group on my own. Those who post LFG literally, probably aren’t so bright. Logically speaking, if any exists.

This has potential to be abused by silly people who randomly ask for help or gold but, the good thing is, runs are often organized within the server and your name gets around. And if people didn’t have the intention to do so, they know it’s probably gonna be a good run and come along anyway.

These days there’s hardly any interaction within the server over there or over here. It’s flawed. You can argue day in day out against an LFG tool, but you must be affiliated with the Westboro Church(wiki it) if you can’t even admit there’s something flawed with the status quo.

Lastly, on the above post(or maybe a little further). You have your choice to be sub-par they/I have my choice to be an elitist jerk. If the party stated their demands clearly and you joined, you’re the sponge. But if that party/I did not state their demands before you joined, then admittedly, said party/I would be an kitten

It goes both ways. Draw the distinction. Stop whining.

(So that’s where that silly go to word came from. Can’t even name a shellfish without a censor)

It’s really hard to find much merit in any complaint regarding that website. It’s so easy, fast, and just plain old efficient that it’s just mindblowing. I’ve had consistently positive experiences through using it, and the negative experiences usually last a total of 10 minutes before you’re back finding a new group and completing your objective.

I kid you not, it would amaze me if anet could create a system that would improve on what that website already does so well. Not to even sound negative… it would just be really hard from a dev’s position to create something better than that. It almost feels to me that it would be more intelligent on their part to acknowledge how awesome that site is publicly and just let them do what they do, and focus on other areas of in-game improvement. I know they won’t do that because they probably feel “responsible” for providing in an official capacity the service that lfg.com provides… but it’s gonna be tough, especially now that it’s such a part of the “meta”, as they like to call our collective behavioral habits.

At any rate, it’s a great site. The only shortcomings that come from it come from the players you find on it, as opposed to the site itself. “User error”, so to speak.

I’m not saying anything is wrong with gw2lfg.com, in fact it’s a brilliant idea.

What I’m saying is that it’s kind of sad that it even exsists as Anet should have had this sort of system in the game already – obviously people are wanting it as a fan actually CREATED a site for it and many, many people use it.

I know they are implementing a tool already but I hope it’s a good one as if it’s just, “Click here to put up a comment that says your looking for a group”, it’s gonna be a failure.

Halanna.3927:

I don’t even know a single person who does dungeons because they like them, they do the for whatever reasons they have to do them.

I do dungeons because I like them, same for my bf.
You now know two of those weird people who play for fun! Hope you find more of these in your journeys.

That website isn’t instant though. I’d much rather prefer an in game click to invite/join, or a chat type system where you seen players lfg right now, not 5 minutes ago..

I tried making something simple myself but it lacks the people using it to make it really work.

http://shiverpeaks.com/forum/showthread.php?1519-GW2-chat-based-event-updater-lfg

It was more for events, but I’m sure could work for a single server lfg. But its not perfect.

IMO, if you pretend to be advanced game, at least use ALL modern features. I feel like dropped back with outdated dungeon mechanic, especially external website for find party.
but it only IMO, for sure, don’t mean to offence, just share my point of view.
Good luck to all who loves stay in town and spam chat.
Limitation of guild only / friends only grouping is shame for MMO, but again, I can admit, many people love to do it this way, as it may create elite groups / anti pug access limitation etc.
to be honest, I prefer from a far games with easy grouping, only my personal taste, for sure.

Vorch.2985:

gw2lfg is a very suitable alternative if ANet doesn’t have the resources to focus on an lfg tool at the moment.

I don’t think that’s ever been officially stated, currently there are 2 (in my mind) options A ) they really really don’t want to (community reason and what not) and B ) they don’t have the resources. ANet obviously has never come out and said: “We don’t have the resources” for the obvious reasons. You see a statement like that would be heavily loaded, one could easily deduce a number of things (correctly or incorrectly) from it.

So yeah, we don’t really know. I like to think it’s because they believe it wouldn’t be beneficial to the game experience, although I think that says more about me than anything else.