Guild Wars 2

I think the possibilities to acquire Mystic Coins is way too low and the amount in the recipes you need those is too high. There is a huge imbalance.

So I am aking ArenaNet: How am I supposed to get for instance 500 Mystic Coins for a 2nd Generation Legendary weapon without buying them from the Trading Post?
Correct me if I am wrong but I think there should always be a way to farm materials or at least most of them.

There are pretty much only 2 ways to get them:
Daily log in reward: 20 coins per month
Fractal Daily Chests: 1-2 (if lucky)

There is no way to farm them or acquire them in another way. It is ok if 250 are needed for a 1st Generation Legendary. It takes about a year (note: if i am logging in everyday) to get those together which is a fair time gate for a legendary. But additional 250 coins for a second generation legendary? Why? and HOW?

You need Mystic Coins for all Mystic Froge Skins, for occasion skins (Winters Presence, Nightfury) and for all legendaries.
The balance of needing them and the amount you get them is so unstable, that they only can increase in price on the Trading Post. I wouldn’t wonder if they get 3g each at some point.

What are your thoughts on this?

There is also the daily mystic forger which sometimes occurs a month. If you do all of the daily mystic forgers you might get 4-5 per year

Amaimon.7823:

There is also the daily mystic forger which sometimes occurs a month. If you do all of the daily mystic forgers you might get 4-5 per year

Right, yeh I forgot about that. But yeh, you say it, 4-5 a year ^^

Daily mystic forger comes up 4 to 6 times a month. Now there’s Ley Line anomalies to hunt down that drop one as well.

GW2 has never worked in the way you think it should, why should Mystic coins be any different? Frankly, getting Mystic coins as a login reward is quite generous considering what they are used for.

Obtena.7952:

GW2 has never worked in the way you think it should, why should Mystic coins be any different? Frankly, getting Mystic coins as a login reward is quite generous considering what they are used for.

If we wouldn’t get them as a log in reward this would be broken! It’s our main aquisition of mystic coins. And it’s way to low considering the amounts you need them for most of the recipes.

Players had to rely on the TP for mystic coins since the game launched. The number of ways to acquire mystic coins hasn’t decreased. The number you need to acquire can be reduced further by choosing to get clovers at the end of the 28-day cycle and doing reward tracks.

creepyXtina.2560:

There are pretty much only 2 ways to get them:
Daily log in reward: 20 coins per month
Fractal Daily Chests: 1-2 (if lucky)

You left out the Ley Line Anomaly event that happens every two hours. It has a Mystic Coin as a guaranteed daily drop on completion. By doing that every day, you can double your Mystic Coin gathering.

If you want them for a Legendary weapon, you also have the option of choosing Legendary Crafting Materials as your monthly login reward, for the 7 Mystic Clovers it gives. You can also acquire more Mystic Clovers by completing PvP and WvW Reward Tracks, and thus reduce your need for Mystic Coins.

Beyond that, making gold is easier now than it’s ever been, with T4 Fractals spoon-feeding liquid gold to you, Auric Basin multi-looting shoveling Ectoplasm into your inventory, and even your simple Daily Achievement completion giving you two gold straight-up. You can take some of that extra gold income and buy extra Mystic Coins you need. If you take the two gold you get from finishing your Daily and use it to buy two Mystic Coins each day, now you’re getting more Mystic Coins than you used to back when you got one from each Daily you finished (and they were worth under a silver).

Ayrilana.1396:

Players had to rely on the TP for mystic coins since the game launched. The number of ways to acquire mystic coins hasn’t decreased. The number you need to acquire can be reduced further by choosing to get clovers at the end of the 28-day cycle and doing reward tracks.

I have to agree, the system worked fine. With adding 250 more mystic coins to the 2nd legendary recipe ArenaNet destroyed it though. The price of Mystic Coins went nuts in the Trading Post because you now need the double amount for the new legendaries.

creepyXtina.2560:

Ayrilana.1396:

Players had to rely on the TP for mystic coins since the game launched. The number of ways to acquire mystic coins hasn’t decreased. The number you need to acquire can be reduced further by choosing to get clovers at the end of the 28-day cycle and doing reward tracks.

I have to agree, the system worked fine. With adding 250 more mystic coins to the 2nd legendary recipe ArenaNet destroyed it though. The price of Mystic Coins went nuts in the Trading Post because you now need the double amount for the new legendaries.

Price is how it is because of speculators. You have some people that bought up vast amounts of coins to jack of the price.

Where are you getting 500 from? It’s the same as any legendary except the gifts are different. You still only need 250 mystic coins. I’ve made the Nevermore.

creepyXtina.2560:

Ayrilana.1396:

Players had to rely on the TP for mystic coins since the game launched. The number of ways to acquire mystic coins hasn’t decreased. The number you need to acquire can be reduced further by choosing to get clovers at the end of the 28-day cycle and doing reward tracks.

I have to agree, the system worked fine. With adding 250 more mystic coins to the 2nd legendary recipe ArenaNet destroyed it though. The price of Mystic Coins went nuts in the Trading Post because you now need the double amount for the new legendaries.

The price may have gone nuts, but it’s not because they are being used up.

Mystic coins
Chris Cleary writes….

Most of this price increase revolves around players that are pushing the value up due to the players willingness to pay more. If players are willing to pay more for an item, it’s going to keep increasing until eventually it hits a ceiling for the commodity. We’ve seen the same thing occur with numerous commodities over time.

Right now there is a consistent supply of mystic coins entering the game (way more than are being consumed) and churning through the trading post at a very slow rate. Most of the coins on the market are ones that have been flipped.

In retrospect, this is actually causing the daily login reward to be worth significantly more to players who wish to convert mystic coins to gold.

I don’t see ANet intervening further if supply is greater than demand, high prices or not.

MoarChaos.8320:

Where are you getting 500 from? It’s the same as any legendary except the gifts are different. You still only need 250 mystic coins. I’ve made the Nevermore.

You do need extra ones. The old Gift of Fortune only required 77 Mystic Clovers, to go with the Gift of Might, Gift of Magic and 250 Ectos. The new Mystic Tribute cuts the Ectos out (they move elsewhere in the recipe), requiring Gifts of Condensed Might/Magic, 77 Mystic Clovers and 250 Mystic Coins.

The Mystic Coins in old Legendaries were only needed for the Clovers. Now, you still need the same amount of Clovers, but also 250 Mystic Coins on top of that. If you got your Clovers from PvP/WvW/Login rewards, then that explains why you only needed 250 Mystic Coins, but you would have needed 0 Mystic Coins for an old Legendary.

None of this means there’s really a problem, though. The coins are out there, and it’s probably more advantageous as a whole to have wealthy players inconvenienced by needing to buy extra Mystic Coins at a high price, while poor players get an extra login reward that has actual value for them to sell on the Trading Post and get more gold for other things. Lifting up the poor is more important than placating the rich, especially given the 15% fee that’s coming out of every TP transaction to combat inflation.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

The price may have gone nuts, but it’s not because they are being used up.

Mystic coins
Chris Cleary writes….

Most of this price increase revolves around players that are pushing the value up due to the players willingness to pay more. If players are willing to pay more for an item, it’s going to keep increasing until eventually it hits a ceiling for the commodity. We’ve seen the same thing occur with numerous commodities over time.

Right now there is a consistent supply of mystic coins entering the game (way more than are being consumed) and churning through the trading post at a very slow rate. Most of the coins on the market are ones that have been flipped.

In retrospect, this is actually causing the daily login reward to be worth significantly more to players who wish to convert mystic coins to gold.

I don’t see ANet intervening further if supply is greater than demand, high prices or not.

Thank you for the link. I was looking for a Mystic Coin Thread in the Forum and haven’t found one. I guess I haven’t searched correctly.

MoarChaos.8320:

Where are you getting 500 from? It’s the same as any legendary except the gifts are different. You still only need 250 mystic coins. I’ve made the Nevermore.

You need 500 for the 2nd generation legendaries. I crafted 3 of them already, so I know what I am talking about.

creepyXtina.2560:

MoarChaos.8320:

Where are you getting 500 from? It’s the same as any legendary except the gifts are different. You still only need 250 mystic coins. I’ve made the Nevermore.

You need 500 for the 2nd generation legendaries. I crafted 3 of them already, so I know what I am talking about.

If youve been able to craft three of them in less than a year then it sounds as if the material supply for these long term goal items might be okay after all.

Ashen.2907:

If youve been able to craft three of them in less than a year then it sounds as if the material supply for these long term goal items might be okay after all.

It was extremely expensive and its not getting any better on the trading post. Never saw them as high in price as today (84s) and i thought it should be talked about.

Behellagh.1468:

Daily mystic forger comes up 4 to 6 times a month. Now there’s Ley Line anomalies to hunt down that drop one as well.

I’m currently crafting the backpack, and have been saving up mystic coins. If as you said the Daily Forger comes up 4 to 6 times a month, your acount is bugged. Because there’s no way I would miss a single one of them, and I’ve only seen 1 in the whole of august,

There isn’t an issue you get 20 every 28 days logging in. There’s only a perceived issue that is brought on by a desire for instant gratification and thus resort to the tp to be at the mercy of sellers.

No alteration should be made because a player feels some item is too expensive – you might as well destroy the economy and make everything because there is someone somewhere who thinks item x is also too much

Amaimon.7823:

Behellagh.1468:

Daily mystic forger comes up 4 to 6 times a month. Now there’s Ley Line anomalies to hunt down that drop one as well.

I’m currently crafting the backpack, and have been saving up mystic coins. If as you said the Daily Forger comes up 4 to 6 times a month, your acount is bugged. Because there’s no way I would miss a single one of them, and I’ve only seen 1 in the whole of august,

You’re missing them then. I email 4 minor runes to my alt account to use for this, which means I can see a date, either days or in weeks. The longest time I’ve seen between mystic forge dailies is 2 weeks. I’ve seen another come up a few days later.

Checking right now my email says one week old and I know the previous one wasn’t back in July.

Amaimon.7823:

Behellagh.1468:

Daily mystic forger comes up 4 to 6 times a month. Now there’s Ley Line anomalies to hunt down that drop one as well.

I’m currently crafting the backpack, and have been saving up mystic coins. If as you said the Daily Forger comes up 4 to 6 times a month, your acount is bugged. Because there’s no way I would miss a single one of them, and I’ve only seen 1 in the whole of august,

The schedule shows it appearing 5 times in September alone
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Daily/Table

I can’t remember how many August had, but I’ll see if I can find a list of dates

91 tries -> received 9.

not funny at all. Think bad luck huh?
Can we please get a receipe that doesn’t include R’n’G?

The Mystic forge daily is roughly 1 in 6 dailies. You get 20 from the 28 day reward rotation. That translates into around 320 a year. Now there was a glut and HoT made sure that they would be wiped out with crafting precursors and building Guild Halls.

Perhaps ANet once again over compensated on a sink. But end level stuff should be expensive to make.

I happen to agree with the OP on this. While there may be other ways in which the Mystic coins drop, to me it just seems uneccessarily uncommon. I understand Anets stance and all that, but to me it seems they have made everything that involves these coins so stupidly rare/hard to make, that it just seems wrong. I mean, we have to loot t6 mats, 250 of each type. those are as hard to get as the mystic coins are in drop rates… I understand the need for things to be rare, but with ability to get the same amount of t6 as the mystic coins, it just seems like this is one thing they can ease up on is all. I mean, there are literally hundreds of items that require these in their recipe’s. I think doubling the current drop rate of these would make it so some of these things were a tad easier to obtain… not to mention it would promote the use of other mats needed in those recipes, removing overstocked items from the game.

There is. On day 28 of your log in rewards choose the for Legendary items. Complete certain PvP and WvW reward tracks. Other than that there’s the RNG method.

Tattoolady.1934:

91 tries -> received 9.

not funny at all. Think bad luck huh?
Can we please get a receipe that doesn’t include R’n’G?

I feel ya :/ Had the same once. Hate those Mystic Clovers recipe as well!

ArenaNet should at least let drop items you need for ALL legendaries as only T6 mats, ectos, obsidian shards or mystic coins and not useless loadstones, leather, silk and woods.

creepyXtina.2560:

How am I supposed to get for instance 500 Mystic Coins for a 2nd Generation Legendary weapon without buying them from the Trading Post?

Your options are:

• Wait.
• Don’t wait and pay for the privilege.

Legendary weapons are cosmetic skins, not essential gear. I don’t see any problem in having luxury items require a luxury price, in time or coin.

The high price of mystic coins is also a great mechanism for transferring wealth from the richest players to the newest. Everyone gets the same number of mystic coins each month and those with little interest in legendaries can make a pretty penny.

There’s compelling evidence supporting ANet’s theory that people are hoarding rather than selling and buyers are simply willing to pay a premium to avoid waiting.

ANet offered an interesting experiment near the beginning of LS3’s “current events” — they offered an event that rewards a mystic coin. The price dropped enormously within hours, as people started panic-selling their stored m-coins, worried about a price drop. As soon as people realized that it was one coin/day/account, the price started going back up.

I’m not against ANet increasing the faucets. I wouldn’t mind seeing e.g. 1 laurel per coin, which ties the price to that of heavy crafting bags (currently averaging 80s/laurel pre-tax, about the same as mystic coins).

All the same, I don’t see it as an urgent issue: the supply is plentiful and people do sell coins. As long as buyers are willing to pay more, the price will keep going up despite that.

These are used for crafting legendary weapons. Legendary weapons are expensive. Ingredients used to craft them are also expensive.

As with all of the past discussions on mystic coins, I really don’t see a problem with this. Get them any way you can from in-game means (daily, leyline, etc), and then buy the rest of what you need. The process for getting a legendary weapons should be expensive and difficult if only for the sole reason that their demand allows mats to gain value on the trading post, which in its own way helps to combat gold inflation.

But the short of it is that these are used to craft legendary weapons. If you think those weapons should be cheap and easy to acquire, you’re sorely mistaken.

creepyXtina.2560:

Tattoolady.1934:

91 tries -> received 9.

not funny at all. Think bad luck huh?
Can we please get a receipe that doesn’t include R’n’G?

I feel ya :/ Had the same once. Hate those Mystic Clovers recipe as well!

ArenaNet should at least let drop items you need for ALL legendaries as only T6 mats, ectos, obsidian shards or mystic coins and not useless loadstones, leather, silk and woods.

Lodestones are used for legendary weapons. In fact, almost all drops are used for legendary weapons. Silk is not a possible drop.

drunkenpilot.9837:

These are used for crafting legendary weapons. Legendary weapons are expensive. Ingredients used to craft them are also expensive.

As with all of the past discussions on mystic coins, I really don’t see a problem with this. Get them any way you can from in-game means (daily, leyline, etc), and then buy the rest of what you need. The process for getting a legendary weapons should be expensive and difficult if only for the sole reason that their demand allows mats to gain value on the trading post, which in its own way helps to combat gold inflation.

But the short of it is that these are used to craft legendary weapons. If you think those weapons should be cheap and easy to acquire, you’re sorely mistaken.

I agree, but there was just no good reason for ArenaNet to randomly add 250 mystic coins to the new legendary recipe.

Ayrilana.1396:

creepyXtina.2560:

Tattoolady.1934:

91 tries -> received 9.

not funny at all. Think bad luck huh?
Can we please get a receipe that doesn’t include R’n’G?

I feel ya :/ Had the same once. Hate those Mystic Clovers recipe as well!

ArenaNet should at least let drop items you need for ALL legendaries as only T6 mats, ectos, obsidian shards or mystic coins and not useless loadstones, leather, silk and woods.

Lodestones are used for legendary weapons. In fact, almost all drops are used for legendary weapons. Silk is not a possible drop.

Probably meant bolt of gossamer.

JustTrogdor.7892:

Ayrilana.1396:

creepyXtina.2560:

Tattoolady.1934:

91 tries -> received 9.

not funny at all. Think bad luck huh?
Can we please get a receipe that doesn’t include R’n’G?

I feel ya :/ Had the same once. Hate those Mystic Clovers recipe as well!

ArenaNet should at least let drop items you need for ALL legendaries as only T6 mats, ectos, obsidian shards or mystic coins and not useless loadstones, leather, silk and woods.

Lodestones are used for legendary weapons. In fact, almost all drops are used for legendary weapons. Silk is not a possible drop.

Probably meant bolt of gossamer.

Yeah. It’s used for a few legendaries although it’s probably the cheapest component. Based on the loot table, I think the only item that isn’t used for legendary weapons would be the putrid essence unless I’m mistaken.

JustTrogdor.7892:

Probably meant bolt of gossamer.

Yes, sorry for that :D
Yes, the drops are all used for legendaries. What i mean is we should get at least drops we need for ALL legendaries: Gift of Fortune > T6 Mats + Ectoplasm + Obsidian Shards + Mystic Coins

You don’t need Loadstones, Bolt of Gossamer, Wood, Leather for all of them.

creepyXtina.2560:

JustTrogdor.7892:

Probably meant bolt of gossamer.

Yes, sorry for that
Yes, the drops are all used for legendaries. What i mean is we should get at least drops we need for ALL legendaries: Gift of Fortune > T6 Mats + Ectoplasm + Obsidian Shards + Mystic Coins

You don’t need Loadstones, Bolt of Gossamer, Wood, Leather for all of them.

But those can be turned into gold for things like Icy Runestones. Or other components that you either can’t get except with gold or items you do not wish to farm.

creepyXtina.2560:

drunkenpilot.9837:

These are used for crafting legendary weapons. Legendary weapons are expensive. Ingredients used to craft them are also expensive.

As with all of the past discussions on mystic coins, I really don’t see a problem with this. Get them any way you can from in-game means (daily, leyline, etc), and then buy the rest of what you need. The process for getting a legendary weapons should be expensive and difficult if only for the sole reason that their demand allows mats to gain value on the trading post, which in its own way helps to combat gold inflation.

But the short of it is that these are used to craft legendary weapons. If you think those weapons should be cheap and easy to acquire, you’re sorely mistaken.

I agree, but there was just no good reason for ArenaNet to randomly add 250 mystic coins to the new legendary recipe.

There was a good reason. They saw that the generation of mystic coins was well exceeding the consumption of mystic coins. So they added another sink for mystic coins in order to bring the rate of consumption closer to the rate of generation.

ANet doesn’t just randomly throw together recipes for items. They study the usage and generation of the items and see what the price is on the TP. If items are close to vendor trash or below the value they wish an item to have, they lower the supply to demand ratio to raise the prices either by nerfing supply or buffing demand. Mystic Coins were below that value. So they increased demand. Did they maybe overshoot that demand? Possibly. I don’t know. Given ANet hasn’t done anything drastic to affect the price, the price probably isn’t too far off of where they intended it, if it isn’t already there.

Obtena.7952:

GW2 has never worked in the way you think it should, why should Mystic coins be any different? Frankly, getting Mystic coins as a login reward is quite generous considering what they are used for.

You make it sound like GW2 is a car that only drives backwards, and changing that to include forwards it unnecessary. And then calling it generous that the car drives at all. I doubt that’s the argument you wanted to convey. xD

But yeah personally I wouldn’t mind seeing mystic coins be more available, like picking them at the end of the month or something. It’s not only legendary weapons that use them, and I hate to pick between differents character to focus my account worth of mystic coins on. And I don’t believe anything TP is a good solution to a player material problem.

To me the whole “But it’s on TP!” argument sounds to me like: “Please go here to voluntarily be ripped off by players who want to make a quick buck, while you painstakingly try to grind your materials together. Weee!” … fun… uh no thank you very much. So yeah, I don’t buy much expensive materials on the TP as a result. Then a legendary or fancy skins a much later. And I can stop caring about silly login rewards every day, and stressing about missing out one day because oh kitten I have a life and I can’t always take a moment to login. It definitely doesn’t sound like fun, and I play to have fun, not to miss out because I have a life.

I miss the monthly rewards which made it so it was only 5 months to get 250. That seems also alot more reasonable to me. Although I suppose its the same right now if you wait around for the anomaly chasing every single day. Nothing else to play anyway, do the same boss over and over. More fun…uh-huh (Not that the monthly ever took that long though)

Soo yeah, I think a mystic coin chest after 28 logins is pretty nice. Especially with all the additional legendaries now. And who knows if they add even more legendaries and guild hall upgrades that need them. If not more mystic forge recipes with equally awesome skins. I mean, it’s not only legendaries that use mystic coins. Specialisation weapons are pretty much on hold because of the mystic weapons (or the mystic weapons themselves) needed for it, and I would need to pick between a legendary weapon or a specialisation weapon. Ah well. more slow slow goals because of a limited system that doesn’t account for all the things that need mystic coins.

But yeah, that’s just what I think. And maybe there is some huge stack somewhere in people’s inventories, and I’m totally mistaken that just because they aren’t in my possession it is a problem because a huge stock exists in cyber space. Out of reach. In that (inactive) hoarder’s bank. Useful much. But hey maybe he’ll be generous! Hah! yeah…

The chance of getting only 9 clover from 91 tries are 0.0001%, assuming the wiki is correct at estimating a 33% and the OP used the single clover recipe.

That is extremely bad luck. If you make ~91 additional attempts, I’d recommend:

• Take a ‘before’ and ‘after’ screenshot of your inventory, showing the mats required (philosopher stones, ecto, obbi, and m-coin) and results.
• If the numbers are similar, create a support ticket and update this thread.

It’s certainly possible to get so few clover in 91 tries and given how many legendaries are out there, it was likely to happen to someone at some point. Still, the odds are horrid enough that, if it were me, I’d do additional testing.

Regardless of whether this was normal, it was certainly disappointing. I’m sorry, OP, that you suffered the lowest reported drop rate I’ve seen.

creepyXtina.2560:

JustTrogdor.7892:

Probably meant bolt of gossamer.

Yes, sorry for that
Yes, the drops are all used for legendaries. What i mean is we should get at least drops we need for ALL legendaries: Gift of Fortune > T6 Mats + Ectoplasm + Obsidian Shards + Mystic Coins

You don’t need Loadstones, Bolt of Gossamer, Wood, Leather for all of them.

Yeah but I’m pretty sure many players would appreciate getting those items if they were working towards a legendary that require them. Charged lodestones are about 2.5G. I’m pretty sure those who are crafting Bolt would appreciate getting them. And like stated already, if a player doesn’t need them then they can sell them.

drunkenpilot.9837:

These are used for crafting legendary weapons. Legendary weapons are expensive. Ingredients used to craft them are also expensive.

As with all of the past discussions on mystic coins, I really don’t see a problem with this. Get them any way you can from in-game means (daily, leyline, etc), and then buy the rest of what you need. The process for getting a legendary weapons should be expensive and difficult if only for the sole reason that their demand allows mats to gain value on the trading post, which in its own way helps to combat gold inflation.

But the short of it is that these are used to craft legendary weapons. If you think those weapons should be cheap and easy to acquire, you’re sorely mistaken.

They aren’t just used for legendaries though. They are used for 82 other weapons currently, as well as Rune of Snowfall and feasts of food. Most of those 82 weapons require 50 – 100 Mystic coins as well.

Tattoolady.1934:

91 tries -> received 9.

not funny at all. Think bad luck huh?
Can we please get a receipe that doesn’t include R’n’G?

You don’t want to get clovers, the amount of t6 mats needed for gifts is reduced considerably……unless this is the last piece needed in which case you took the hard route – rip

Dailies + WvW/PvP reward tracks made the need to RNG clovers obsolete. I have 100+ clovers in my bank and didnt toss a single thing in the forge. I you spent gold for so many failed attempts.. ouch.

Prices of mystic coins have prevented me from making feasts recipes I’d have otherwise liked to have.

I’m currently making Astralaria, so I feel the OP’s pain. I get around this by acquiring most of my clovers from wvw rewards tracks (bloodstone fen is a fantastic track) and loyalty chest rewards, which are 7 clovers per month. 11 months is enough for a legendary doing nothing else.

So at least that plan cuts the number of mystic coins I need in half.

echo.2053:

Tattoolady.1934:

91 tries -> received 9.

not funny at all. Think bad luck huh?
Can we please get a receipe that doesn’t include R’n’G?

You don’t want to get clovers, the amount of t6 mats needed for gifts is reduced considerably……unless this is the last piece needed in which case you took the hard route – rip

Um, no, you only want to use the recipe if you need clovers. The resulting T6 mats are worth far, far less than the cost of materials you put into it.

my 2 cents, after making Rodgort’s flame and Nevermore and only needing about 30 clovers to finish Twilight.

The clovers are, by far, the worst item needed for a legendary. Introducing RNG to an already expensive procedure its one of the cheesiest anti-inflation methods ANET ever used. Just make a recipe already so someone who is interested can calculated the total amount of gold needed. I’ve noticed some posts like “you can get coins doing fractal dailys”, “there is a mystic forge daily 4-5 times a month”, “ley-line event gives you one each day”… guys, seriously??? You don’t understand what the problem is here, beyond the ridiculously time-gated coin gathering? It is RNG! You take all these coins with so much effort just to throw them to the MF and pray you will get a good result!
And most of you seem to have absolutely no problem with it…

I get my clovers through PVP tracks but I happen to love PVP. Most players here play strictly PVE, they hate PVP and they don’t have a solid method of obtaining clovers. This is simply not fair for them, something must change.

Sorry for bad english, not my mother language.

Excelvior.8520:

I get my clovers through PVP tracks but I happen to love PVP. Most players here play strictly PVE, they hate PVP and they don’t have a solid method of obtaining clovers. This is simply not fair for them, something must change.

Uh… Thats how the entire game work. In this case you even got it it good since there are multiple methods to get clovers.

For example, I want Ad Infinitum. But I dont want to do fractals. I only want to WvW. What do I do?!?! Something must change, this isnt fair.

Or I could just do fractals but I dooooont waaaaaannnnnaaaaaaa.

Dawdler.8521:

Excelvior.8520:

I get my clovers through PVP tracks but I happen to love PVP. Most players here play strictly PVE, they hate PVP and they don’t have a solid method of obtaining clovers. This is simply not fair for them, something must change.

Uh… Thats how the entire game work. In this case you even got it it good since there are multiple methods to get clovers.

For example, I want Ad Infinitum. But I dont want to do fractals. I only want to WvW. What do I do?!?! Something must change, this isnt fair.

Or I could just do fractals but I dooooont waaaaaannnnnaaaaaaa.

No need to be sarcastic here, ofc if you want a fractal specific item you will have to do fractals. And if you want to create a legendary you will now have to do WvW for the gift of battle after last patch, even thought it screwed all the PVE people (which tbh have the most chances to create a legendary anyway). That has nothing to do with the RNG fact. Just create a recipe that you know it will give you clovers, hell, it actually may be more expensive but at least it will work!

Admittedly I’ve never had anything like the kind of bad luck the OP has, but the Mystic Clover recipe doesn’t bother me.

I think it helps that both times I’ve made a legendary it’s been one of the first things I started working on, so I’ve got plenty of time to save up coins and ecto (and obsidian this time, last time I had more than enough). I’m 10 clovers away from the total this time and probably going to finish that before I have enough dungeon tokens. And if I do get T6 mats they go towards the Gifts, other things I’m crafting or I can sell them for gold.

But as people have said if you don’t want to use the Forge there are numerous WvW and PvP reward tracks that give clovers, and the monthly reward chest.

Excelvior.8520:

even thought it screwed all the PVE people (which tbh have the most chances to create a legendary anyway).

(ignoring the fact that probably 80% of hardcore WvWers have at least one legendary, they are more common than normal skins)

But true, I was being sarcastic. Because its still how the game works. Everything takes time and in order to get shiny stuff, you sometimes have to do things you dont normally do.

Tattoolady.1934:

91 tries -> received 9.

not funny at all. Think bad luck huh?
Can we please get a receipe that doesn’t include R’n’G?

Considering the chance is about 30% to get clovers I think you lied about only getting 9 out of 91.

I think mystic coins are in a good spot. Both lorewise (its Zomorros payment for crafting for you after all) and economywise.