Guild Wars 2

The Elder Dragons have risen, and the result is what we see now in Tyria. We all know that (or at least should know something about them.)

They all correspond to Ancient Elements.

Primordus – Fire
Jormag – Ice
Zhaitan – Death
Kralkatorrik – Crystal (could also be interpreted as Earth)

There is a 5th Elder Dragon that represents Water. He doesn’t have a name…. The Wiki says:

“Another dragon awoke in the deepest parts of the seas, creating tentacled horrors from its surrounding. Its awakening forced the krait, quaggan, and largos living in the Unending Ocean to flee north toward Tyria, in many cases forcing them into the path of the risen armies. Little is known of this dragon still.”

source: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Elder_dragons

Also, his/her own page: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deep_sea_dragon

Has anyone seen any reference to this unnamed water dragon at all in-game?

Yes… It’s what drove the Krait, Quaggan, Karka etc out of the deep ocean (as is stated in that quote you pulled) and during the original Lost Shores event we got tiny snippets of this kind of stuff. (From the Quaggan and from Zommoros)

Also Zhaitan is the dragon of UNdeath, not death – and yes I think that is a pretty important distinction. I would be hesitant to call Kralk an “earth” dragon since it is not stated anywhere and Crystal is not = to earth, besides we have the supposed 6th “Jungle” dragon.

Nonsense, this unnamed dragon has been named bubbles.

Can you cite a source on the “jungle dragon”?

Ashabhi.1365:

Can you cite a source on the “jungle dragon”?

Wiki – Jungle Dragon

Chase.8415:

Nonsense, this unnamed dragon has been named bubbles.

But Bubbles is a well-loved character in a thread that is RP gold….

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Warning-Buoy/first

I am aware that some call him Bubbles, but I was looking for in-game references other than the Karka event.

The name for the Jungle Dragon is Mordremoth. See: Project Alpha battle log after earth attack.

Also, the underwater dragon’s minions are called the Sclerite, said to be corrupted, tentacled monsters. We get a teaser of this from the Strike at SouthSun meta achievement backpiece reward.

what about Teq ? what element does it represent.?

azizul.8469:

what about Teq ? what element does it represent.?

Teq is a champion not an Elder Dragon. He therefore is not the “dragon of….” anything.

As for sources on the Jungle Dragon, check the wiki link that someone kindly posted. There is a bit where Colin Johanson confirmed it’s existence.
As for it’s name being Mordremoth – that’s not 100% verified, it’s just the skill name used in Crucible of Eternity.

Viking Jorun.5413:

Also, the underwater dragon’s minions are called the Sclerite, said to be corrupted, tentacled monsters. We get a teaser of this from the Strike at SouthSun meta achievement backpiece reward.

The sclerite are related to the karka, as clearly stated in that backpiece. Not the deep sea dragon….

azizul.8469:

what about Teq ? what element does it represent.?

Tequatl is a champion of Zhaitan.

It seems like the dragons correspond to more destructive, primeval equivalents of the gods, especially their elemental aspects. Zhaitan to Melandru (corrupted Earth), Jormag to Grenth (ice and shadow), Kraalkatorik to Dwayna (thinking more about the lightning emphasis than the crystals, though you could possibly swap Melandru and Dwayna and have it make sense), and Primordus to Balthazar/Fire. Bubbles would seem to correspond to Lyssa and Water (and the picture you show is two-headed, which only reinforces the link). The secret sixth dragon would then correspond to the god of secrets and perhaps to the Realm of Torment (aka the Nightmare Realm).

Alternatively, given that the dragons predate the gods, and Abaddon was originally god of both Water/Depths and Secrets/Magic, maybe there really is no sixth dragon. Bubbles could be Mordremoth, a dragon of both Water and Secrets (hence why so little is known about it), both Illusion and Truth (and the two heads could indicate the dual role). If there is some actual metaphysical link between the dragons and the gods, then it is possible that Abaddon’s later ties to the Nightmare Realm transferred back over to Mordremoth, which would also make it a dragon of Torment/Madness/Nightmare. That strongly suggests a link to the Nightmare Court. The dragon could physically exist in the depths while still having influence on the land through the Pale Tree’s Nightmare and the Nightmare Court (and possibly Scarlet, who also has a bit of an obsession with duality and Secrets — and whose most recent merger was between creatures of Water and creatures of Nightmare).

perilisk.1874:

-snip-

Correlations between the gods and the dragons don’t work.. The Pantheon’s elements are not static, they can change as is needed.

Zhaitan is the dragon of undeath – none of the gods correspond to that at all. Melandru is the god of Nature and Earth, Dwayna of Life and Air, Grenth of Death and Ice – none of these is undeath.
With Kralk and Dwayna – we have never had anything that related Dwayna to lightning (just because lightning is part of elementalists air magic does not mean the two are interchangeable) , and Kralk is the dragon of crystal not of lightning.
Meanwhile Lyssa is not the goddess of water so could not possibly correspond to Bubbles, Abaddon was the God of water and when Kormir took over the Realm of Torment she did not take the water aspect…
Also note that Kormir is the goddess of truth and knowledge, not of secrets so that could not possibly correspond to the 6th dragon.

The Elder dragons do not necessarily predate the gods, their presence on Tyria predates the presence of the gods, but we have absolutely no idea how old the gods are or where they came from.

Consider also that the Realm of Torment is now the redeemed realm and was taken over by Kormir and the Forgotten.

Also I doubt any link between the Nightmare Court and an Elder Dragon – the NC aren’t mindless or evil (only evil from the PC perspective). Their goal relates to removing Ventari’s influence over the Pale Tree, not to taking over the world.

As Chase said, its name is BUBBLES.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

perilisk.1874:

-snip-

Correlations between the gods and the dragons don’t work.. The Pantheon’s elements are not static, they can change as is needed.

Zhaitan is the dragon of undeath – none of the gods correspond to that at all.
Melandru is the god of Nature and Earth, Dwayna of Life and Air, Grenth of Death and Ice – none of these is undeath.

It’s a bit of a stretch, but I think the intent was to link to Melandru thematically, but in a corrupted way. Wiki says Melandru is linked to nature, growth, and earth. Zhaitan raised a sunken continent, which is earth-y. He is uniquely (among the dragons) linked to growth, insofar as his army grows continuously through killing or plague. Plague and undeath are sort of perversions of nature and life. Moreover, they commonly have an earth-y theme in fantasy.

With Kralk and Dwayna – we have never had anything that related Dwayna to lightning (just because lightning is part of elementalists air magic does not mean the two are interchangeable) , and Kralk is the dragon of crystal not of lightning.

Look at the Zephyrites. Their big themes are Air (and its Aspects, one of which is Lightning) and Crystals. Their founding and their power is closely tied to Glint. Glint is a former servant of…

Meanwhile Lyssa is not the goddess of water so could not possibly correspond to Bubbles, Abaddon was the God of water and when Kormir took over the Realm of Torment she did not take the water aspect…

“Abaddon was one of the Six Human Gods, a fallen predecessor of Kormir. His sphere was Water and Secrets, which were later absorbed by Lyssa and Kormir, respectively. He is also associated with Depths, Knowledge and Magic. " – from the GW2 wiki. Yeah, Lyssa used to be Chaos and got retconned as Water. It is what it is. Besides, the two-headed thing is too much of a coincidence.

Also note that Kormir is the goddess of truth and knowledge, not of secrets so that could not possibly correspond to the 6th dragon.

Truth, knowledge, and secrets are all pretty closely related concepts. A secret is just a hidden truth. The dragons aren’t one-to-one analogues, it’s more that the current gods represent the positive/orderly side of the Earth/Fire/Air/Ice/Water/Magic and the dragons represent the negative/chaotic side of those things. Where Balthazar’s take on war and fire emphasizes courage, Primordus emphasis its destruction. Secrets are the dark side of Truth.

The Elder dragons do not necessarily predate the gods, their presence on Tyria predates the presence of the gods, but we have absolutely no idea how old the gods are or where they came from.

Excluding Kormir. Lyssa is also a younger goddess, IIRC. Current lore says they got their power from Abaddon, and GW1 lore says that Abaddon stole his power from an older god. But for all we know, he stole it from a sleeping dragon.

Consider also that the Realm of Torment is now the redeemed realm and was taken over by Kormir and the Forgotten.

And Orr has been cleansed and was taken over by Trahearne and the Pact.

Also I doubt any link between the Nightmare Court and an Elder Dragon – the NC aren’t mindless or evil (only evil from the PC perspective). Their goal relates to removing Ventari’s influence over the Pale Tree, not to taking over the world.

Well, if you consider torturing and terrorizing for the sake of torturing and terrorizing to be evil, then they’re evil. Anyway, the Sons of Svanir aren’t mindless either. It’s not surprising that a dragon of knowledge/illusion/secrets would influence its minions in a more subtle way, leaving them with at least an illusion of free will. However, it is said that no Sylvari ever comes back from Nightmare. That sounds more fundamentally transformative than a simple ideology.

Can’t call it Bubbles…

How do you stop laughing long enough to defeat the Elder Dragon Bubbles?

But being called that would be reason enough to try to destroy all living beings so taunting.

The current array of lodestones tells you a fair bit about the dragons:

Glacial Lodestone (Ice) → Corrupted Lodestone (Jormag)
Molten Lodestone (Fire) → Destroyer Lodestone (Primordus)
Charged Lodestone (Air) → Crystal Lodestone (Kralkatorric)
Onyx Lodestone (Earth) → Putrid Essence (Zaitan)

My expectation is as the other two Elder Dragons move into focus we’ll see pairs of “lodestones” added for them to the tune of~

Ageless Heartwood (Wood) → Blighted Lodestone (Mordremoth)
Tidal Lodestone (Water) → Murky Lodestone (Bubbles)

His name is Bubbles. Maybe ANet will add some letters so it sounds more dragon-style.
How about:

BUrzBuBoLiES

To answer OP’s question as to wether there are any references IN-GAME, I recommend going to the various labs around Crucible of Eternity. Each of those labs is dedicated towards studying one of the Elder Dragons. You don’t even have to enter the dungeon itself.

Berelious.3290:

To answer OP’s question as to wether there are any references IN-GAME, I recommend going to the various labs around Crucible of Eternity. Each of those labs is dedicated towards studying one of the Elder Dragons. You don’t even have to enter the dungeon itself.

Thank you.

Im Mudbone.1437:

As Chase said, its name is BUBBLES.

More specifically, it’s Bubbles the Good, Friendliest Dragon of All.