Guild Wars 2

Anet hyped this game like crazy and simply didn’t deliver.

They deserve the complaints. Also, making posts telling others to stop making posts is futile.

MrThebigcheese.2014:

Anet hyped this game like crazy and simply didn’t deliver.

They deserve the complaints. Also, making posts telling others to stop making posts is futile.

People don’t need to stop making posts, they need to adjust their approach so their posts are actually beneficial and constructive.

Without “us players”there would be no community. There would be no GW2 in fact cause there would be no money flowing to NCSofts pocket to support the game.

Your statement is invalid.

I strongly agree with the OP. I’m seeing too many posts about people’s upset feelings, conspiracy theories, and opinions and not enough actual constructive feedback.

I also agree with the OP, way too many posts are solely inflammatory without offering any constructive feedback. Try looking at other gw2 forums (ie redditt) and you would get a totally different impression of the game.

Looria.8019:

Without “us players”there would be no community. There would be no GW2 in fact cause there would be no money flowing to NCSofts pocket to support the game.

Your statement is invalid.

I’m sorry you feel it’s invalid, you also seem to be misunderstanding. Nowhere was it said that NCSoft doesn’t need their entire community to remain profitable. Nowhere was it said that players did not represent the community. I’m actually not sure what you are arguing at all.

NCSoft/Anet needs us players, they need our support, they need our cooperation. The percentage of players who are torpedo’ing developer/community collaboration and open communication (through making this forum a living nightmare to moderate, let alone post on) need to take 2 minutes out of their own ‘perceived’ misery. They need to start looking towards how they can help make these forums a more accessible source of feedback to use and respond to.

I think the worst thing to happen was when they expanded the forums beyond just “players helping players”

MrThebigcheese.2014:

Anet hyped this game like crazy and simply didn’t deliver.

They deserve the complaints. Also, making posts telling others to stop making posts is futile.

This. I honestly think the OP is trolling or doesn’t know what free speech is. Either way the fact remains many of us believe the manifesto has been completely violated with this latest bit of “fun”.

its hard to "help make these forums a more accessible source of feedback " when you feel like you are being ignored, when no matter how constructive your feedback is there is no reply to it.

I have been in Alpha testing. There you can see devs really being involved in communication, discussing stuff with players. Here on the other hand, you can only see topics being merged, deleted or ignored.

Its frustrating and ppl dont like to be frustrated and ignored, thats why you see right now so much negative feedback. There is negative feedback because ppl still care. If ppl wouldnt care, there would be no feedback.

I still consider negative feedback (constructive or nonconstructive) better than no feedback.

Looria.8019:

its hard to "help make these forums a more accessible source of feedback " when you feel like you are being ignored, when no matter how constructive your feedback is there is no reply to it.

I have been in Alpha testing. There you can see devs really being involved in communication, discussing stuff with players. Here on the other hand, you can only see topics being merged, deleted or ignored.

Its frustrating and ppl dont like to be frustrated and ignored, thats why you see right now so much negative feedback. There is negative feedback because ppl still care. If ppl wouldnt care, there would be no feedback.

I still consider negative feedback (constructive or nonconstructive) better than no feedback.

Negative feedback is fine, its encouraged and I’m sure Anet continues to appreciate it. Negative feedback is different from public displays of anguish, repetitions of the same discontent, “^this” type comments and bumps that do nothing to actually contribute to making either the game or forum/community better.

The changes have unbalanced the game though, all the zones and dungeons are now ghost towns as everybody is piling into fotm to do the massive grind for top gear stuff. Before the update this wasn’t the case on my server.

Fortunately there are still some people doing WvWvW but everywhere else is dead.

Well ANet must have done something wrong with the patch. This place was great without pretty much any anger and negative feedback prior the weekend event.

This is only a reaction to some bad decisions from ANets/NCSofts side that erupted into this halo.

Dont blame the players, look at the cause. There must be a reason why suddenly over night ppl became so angry.

MechanicalMind.9126:

MrThebigcheese.2014:

Anet hyped this game like crazy and simply didn’t deliver.

They deserve the complaints. Also, making posts telling others to stop making posts is futile.

This. I honestly think the OP is trolling or doesn’t know what free speech is. Either way the fact remains many of us believe the manifesto has been completely violated with this latest bit of “fun”.

Not a troll, and also not understanding how you believe the suggestions to the community above impinges on your freedom of speech. You are free to say whatever you like, provided that they remain within the rules of conduct and forum guidelines. Players (perhaps yourself, too?) should not feel surprised, hurt, or ignored when ur own posts contain (or is attached to threads which contain) content that is considered infractions.

You will see less moderation and possibly more Anet posts if an effort was made to actually abide by the very basic forum guidelines, and to help make the majority of our feedback actually encourage open dialogue with developers.

sinisterpink.7912:

Looria.8019:

its hard to "help make these forums a more accessible source of feedback " when you feel like you are being ignored, when no matter how constructive your feedback is there is no reply to it.

I have been in Alpha testing. There you can see devs really being involved in communication, discussing stuff with players. Here on the other hand, you can only see topics being merged, deleted or ignored.

Its frustrating and ppl dont like to be frustrated and ignored, thats why you see right now so much negative feedback. There is negative feedback because ppl still care. If ppl wouldnt care, there would be no feedback.

I still consider negative feedback (constructive or nonconstructive) better than no feedback.

Negative feedback is fine, its encouraged and I’m sure Anet continues to appreciate it. Negative feedback is different from public displays of anguish, repetitions of the same discontent, “^this” type comments and bumps that do nothing to actually contribute to making either the game or forum/community better.

Ironically, it does help to make community better – it sends a message to the developers about general player reactions. The only problem with it is that i have yet to see any mod or delevoper acknowledging even the existence of the problem.
You are right, communication based on arguments and discussion is way preferable. Unfortunately, for this both sides need to be willing. In this case one (developers) clearly isn’t.

There were a lot of polite and constructive posts that were merely ignored.
There is a thread about Salvage’s DR and that thread received three ( 3 ) official and clear answers, and John Smith said: “Just to be clear again. There is no DR for salvaging. There’s no stealth nerf on ectos.”
This means that if they want they can give clear and direct answers.
In about 11000 replies in the official ascended gear topic we didn’t receive a single true answer, just “blablabla” and that’s one of the reasons a lot of people is angry now.
Let’s see what will happen after next holidays….

Good post, OP. I think you hit a lot of points here. In particular, I’m glad that you acknowledged that even though the change at this time isn’t major, it represents a major change in the direction of end game content.

I have tried, in earnest, to make constructive feedback on these forums. Unfortunately, I feel that anything useful that anyone posts is being drowned out in the cacophony of hateful comments. I understand that people are upset and feel cheated, but I do not want to be associated with the people launching these hateful personal attacks, even if my position on vertical progression is the same.

Personal attacks are not going to get ANet to change anything, in fact they aren’t even responding to us anymore. I can’t say that I blame them either. The level of disrespect on these boards is unreal.

I also agree with the OP. The hostility is overwhelming.

You could look at the forums and wonder how anybody still plays the game. Yet ask about many of the same issues people are so angry about on the forums, in Lions Arch ingame and it’s a different story.

I’ve seen people in Lions Arch say that they just don’t visit the forums anymore, simply because anybody who does not hate ANet with all their soul just gets flamed in any thread they comment in.

Its a solid game. My guild hasn’t beat feet. In fact there are about 3 times as many members now as when we started. We’re all enjoying the game.

That said, these forums are pretty toxic. But ANet consists of working adults with a vision. Its their vision of where the game should go. They’ve spent over 5 years developing it. Not 3 months of simply playing it.

Its the equivalent of the new babysitter telling the parents how they should raise their child. Sure, opinions are welcomed, but the final decision resides in various committees and meeting rooms of the company.(i.e. parents) As it should be.

In Customer Service there is a subject called Communication Skills.

Within that realm we can learn that when there is a conflict that involves emotions because a customer is unhappy with something, the customer will keep reiterating the same thing over and over again until he/she gets the feeling they were heard, understood and taken seriously.

You could argue that the worst thing is the customer, but for a company it’s their bread and butter.

All I can say is that if these forums keep getting the same message over and over again, it means that these customers feel they have not been heard, understood or taken seriously….or all of the above.

What I then wonder is, why is Anet then not dealing with this, because there is nothing coming from their side to address these emotions or opinions. Well, they could decide that answering here directly will only make things worse (fear) or that these customers are an acceptable loss (calculated loss).

Either way, we will probably never know. I think that terrible as customers may be, Anet and other game companies still have a lot to learn about customer service. On the other hand, they might feel that in the overall balance they come out on the positive and then why would they invest in customer service?

A tricky subject at best. Just some thoughts.

OP, your post shows contempt rather than a genuine desire of a better communication. And nobody is going to take you seriously after you have told them to grow up without even knowing anything about them and their personal evolution.

Or, in other words, it creates an environment which is hostile for communication, blatantly contradicting your own stated intentions.

I suggest you follow your own advice.

The worst thing that ever happened to gaming is giving gamer’s any voice whatsoever in the process, as it’s just led to this; complaining about people giving feedback, which is a black hole of human energy and focus.

ex-Nexon employee being put in charge of the cash shop, Izzy and Mike O’Brien.

Those things are all joint worst.

Loxias.2375:

The worst thing that ever happened to gaming is giving gamer’s any voice whatsoever in the process, as it’s just led to this; complaining about people giving feedback, which is a black hole of human energy and focus.

Yes, heaven forbid gamers actually could decide what they like and what they don’t! They should just be happy that they are getting anything at all!

Of course the whiners here are the worst thing of the game right now. It was the same for GW1 tbh, little by little we got rid of most of the haters and whiners who found another target to dump their bile on.

Take a step back from these guys and see how funny they are talking about things they don’t even understand, like “RNG” or “Gear Trendmill”. Look at them complaining about “RNG is the worst design eva!”, and laugh loudly as you know that RNG in RPG is there since the paper RPG of the 80s. Or when they ask a refund because after 200 hours of play they don’t want to anymore.

Welcome in 2012.

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Urxx.6840:

This post shows contempt rather than a genuine desire of a better communication. And nobody is going to take you seriously after you have told them to grow up without even knowing anything about them and their personal evolution.

Or, in other words, it creates an environment which is hostile for communication, blatantly contradicting your own stated intentions.

I suggest you follow your own advice.

But I am the customer and they are the company. As much as you are right (and you are) about there being many stabs in this post of mine, the point is that it’s a choice for a company to show customer service or not. It is not up to the customer to start building a bridge but it is up to the company. They are trying to sell a product or service.

What do customers think when they do not communicate or in ways that ignore the customer’s reaction? And that is what is in my post, as you noticed.

I really mean it. I do wonder what Anet thinks about communication with their customers, because I really don’t get it.

sinisterpink.7912:

So I’ll make my point now before I lose your interest: grow up guys. The developers love and continue to love the game as much as we do.

So people that posts arguments you don t agree with should grow up?
Your logic is unrespectful of players.

Freedom of speech worth more than personal attacks not vice versa…….

Urxx.6840:

This post shows contempt rather than a genuine desire of a better communication. And nobody is going to take you seriously after you have told them to grow up without even knowing anything about them and their personal evolution.

Or, in other words, it creates an environment which is hostile for communication, blatantly contradicting your own stated intentions.

I suggest you follow your own advice.

It’s unfortunate that from those points all you interpreted was ‘contempt’. I can’t really help that you feel that way.

The original post was worded as as challenge, for those causing more harm than good with their interactions on the forums. To address some thoughts made by previous posters: reciprocating nonconstructive, negative commentary (especially re-hashing the same point at any given opportunity) is not necessary when the response has already been so overwhelming. Hence such players should, if they are truly passionate and concerned with the game, consider how continuing to be unruly and immature (whenever any disagreeable change is made) will affect the community and indirectly affect them in the long term.

Once again: negative feedback is perfectly fine, criticism is necessary for games to evolve. “WoW Clone” “xxx .. bunch of liars” “I want my refund” “I waited xxx years for this xxx” is directly what I am addressing, and this is not necessary for understanding community response nor for getting adequate feedback.

Many players are upset and openly hostile towards the fact they have not received prompt responses to their concerns from Anet less than a week from the new changes. These players need to understand that its because of this hostility, and the the need for them to deconstruct and insert immature comments to slander any developer contributions to the forums that developers cannot post as regularly as they like.

You cannot fault Anet for not attempting to communicate: posts came in more frequently in the earlier months, Anet has already held at least 2-3 Reddit AMAs with another one along the way, developers have made guest appearances on community State of the Game commentaries and have taken questions on critical issues. Unfortunately, these attempts by Anet to keep an open and mature dialogue between players seem to go overlooked, primarily by the percentage of forum go-ers hell bent on trying to turn this into the ugly cesspool that is the Diablo 3 forums.

Gehenna.3625:

Urxx.6840:

This post shows contempt rather than a genuine desire of a better communication. And nobody is going to take you seriously after you have told them to grow up without even knowing anything about them and their personal evolution.

Or, in other words, it creates an environment which is hostile for communication, blatantly contradicting your own stated intentions.

I suggest you follow your own advice.

But I am the customer and they are the company. As much as you are right (and you are) about there being many stabs in this post of mine, the point is that it’s a choice for a company to show customer service or not. It is not up to the customer to start building a bridge but it is up to the company. They are trying to sell a product or service.

What do customers think when they do not communicate or in ways that ignore the customer’s reaction? And that is what is in my post, as you noticed.

I really mean it. I do wonder what Anet thinks about communication with their customers, because I really don’t get it.

Sorry I wasn’t more clear, my post was directed to the OP.
I edited it for clarity.

The complainers are getting a feel-good feeling from trying to ruin the game for everyone else, be it here on the forums or on other websites where the price of the game has been steadily falling. In lieu of getting what they want, they will settle for destroying the game for everyone else, and they want sympathy for this behavior because adding new gear to the endgame hurt their feelings. This is “Occupy Arena-Net.” No one knows what they expect to get from the complaining, but there’s a sense of camaraderie for their frustrations here, and so long as they’re causing damage, they’re “fighting the good fight.” I don’t think many of them realize they’re simply trying to ruin the game for everyone else. To many it must just seem like they’re “spreading the truth,” or their very decided version of it, and they’re simply hurting Arena-Net, who they perceive to have lied to them.

OP is very well-said.

I’m upset about the Ascended gear, and I hope they compromise by removing the stat difference and keeping the Infusion slot. I think Fractals need some work in how they’re gated. I want them to work on enriching the core content of the game rather than rush to put out new things, in order to make sure that as much of the content as possible stays fun and relevant. I want there to be as many different ways to play and make money and gear up as possible. I’m concerned for the direction of the game.

On the other hand, it’s really upsetting to see people saying things like, “I hope the game sinks,” or “I want to see people fired for this,” and I can only imagine how it feels to be on the receiving end of comments like that. Game developers are human, guys, and they don’t always have perfect insight, even as a group. Heck, this isn’t even the first time they’ve done something that seemed out of tune with their principles (24 hours to unlock unidentified random dyes unless you bought a cash shop item and selling megaphones to use area chat come to mind), it’s just that this is the first time it’s happened post-launch, when they can’t come up with something and then iterate on it for five years before showing it to us any more.

They’ve always been remarkably good at listening to feedback. I’m not saying this to let them off the hook or to say, “Don’t worry, it’ll be okay,” but there’s plenty of prior examples of them listening and changing things, and they’re more likely to listen if the complaints make sense. Accusing them of being taken over by Nexon doesn’t make any sense, and neither does throwing around insults. I’ve seen people respond to every minor change since before the launch of the game with cynical remarks about how they clearly did X/Y/Z to sell more gems, only to have ArenaNet respond time and time again to complaints about the gem store by making things more fair for players (which is not to say that the gem store couldn’t use some work).

Communication and dialogue from developers comes less frequently, because every single sentence and word has to be delicate, measured, and deliberated in the hope of not starting a PR kitten-storm.

The stats ‘ascended’ gear require can be easily adjusted, reversed, and changed. The requirements for FoTM can also be adjusted and changed based on constructive community feedback.

^Bears repeating. Acting like the game is dead already overshadows reasonable requests for changes by making us look like we’re just afraid of change and don’t know what we’re talking about. They already cooled their level of communication long before beta started because there were huge catstorms where people picked apart everything they said looking for legalese, doublespeak, secret messages, and promise avoidance. With this issue it’s pretty obvious that there are some people who aren’t going to be happy unless ArenaNet suffers somehow for having messed up, and those people need to gain some perspective.

Like others said, if you dont like something by all means its important to state what you believe the problem is and offer recommendation where possible but what has happened here is light years away from that! Some people have long abandoned the concept of constructive critisism and openly embraced the lync mob mentality!

Sad thing is you’re only hurting the cause! do you honestly think Arenanet are more likely to listen to a post that says “arenanet are liars nothing they say can be trusted” as opposed to “I think the stats increase on ascended armor where a bad idea because in my opinion it makes people unhappy with having to grind for a new set of armor. I get what you’re trying to do but in my opinion you should keep the infusion mechanic just make the stats on ascended armor the same as exotics” ?

Think about it people, remember the time when the table was turned and people where claiming that GW2 is doomed because it doesnt have vertical progression? remember how people who took that statement too far were branded haters and their opinion dismissed by the community? How is this any different?

At end of the day people who dont know you personally can only judge someone geniuninly trying to improve the game from a hater who just wants the game to sink only based on what they write! Dont let yourself become that which you hated just so short ago! wording things correctly can go a long way and is in the best interest of absolutely everyone!

“I’m seeing too many posts about people’s upset feelings, conspiracy theories, and opinions and not enough actual constructive feedback.”

We all post constructive feedback. Our feedback is take it out. It is not our fault our feedback differs from yours.

It’s like if you wanted to build an observatory/mall in the middle of a swamp yet the swamp kept screwing up the foundation. Someone says the fix of “move the mall to solid ground, setup the observatory on the edge of the swamp” and the rest say that’s not constructive because it doesn’t fix the issue of setting up the mall/observatory combo in the swamp.

“Some people have long abandoned the concept of constructive critisism and openly embraced the lync mob mentality!”

Well, most people here feel what ANet did is the equivalent to selling us milk, delivering us orange juice, and telling us all sales are final on products so no refund. It’s kinda aggravating, is what I am getting at.

GADefence.5634:

We all post constructive feedback. Our feedback is take it out. It is not our fault our feedback differs from yours.

There’s a big difference between “constructive feedback” and “demands.” We’ve seen plenty of threads that pretty much boiled down to “We’ll get what we want or we’ll hurt the game every way we can! Take that Arena-Net (and anyone else still playing the game)!” These are not constructive debates.

sinisterpink.7912:

So I’ll make my point now before I lose your interest: grow up guys.

People are upset, so they’re overreacting. That’s why they’re making accusatory remarks, e.g. towards Anet. However, when actually analysing the situation, both sides have their own points. (Using this logic, you’re either upset as well, or you’re just being disrespectful.)

This isn’t the first MMO I played. This definitely the first video game I played. When I was doing research, and when my friends told me about the game, there are characteristics that appealed to me. I agree that some of the new content contradicts some of the original “ideals” or “manifestos” that I heard so much about. The content and characteristics of a MMO can change over time; when someone purchases it, it may no longer be described on a website, on the news sites, or on the box.

This definitely isn’t the first online community I’ve posted in. Unless I’m completely mistake (-still new-), you need a serial code to post here. People are complaining because they want something. Although I’m sure that there are some trolls, it’s not everyone’s intention.

On a side note, I’ve noticed a significant increase in activity on lower-level maps since Monday.

Companies always need to be careful about what they say and how they phrase things, especially when communication isn’t conversation-esque. I’m posting this on-the-go, so it’ll be interesting to see how it’s torn apart.

GADefence.5634:

“I’m seeing too many posts about people’s upset feelings, conspiracy theories, and opinions and not enough actual constructive feedback.”

We all post constructive feedback. Our feedback is take it out. It is not our fault our feedback differs from yours.

It’s like if you wanted to build an observatory/mall in the middle of a swamp yet the swamp kept screwing up the foundation. Someone says the fix of “move the mall to solid ground, setup the observatory on the edge of the swamp” and the rest say that’s not constructive because it doesn’t fix the issue of setting up the mall/observatory combo in the swamp.

“Some people have long abandoned the concept of constructive critisism and openly embraced the lync mob mentality!”

Well, most people here feel what ANet did is the equivalent to selling us milk, delivering us orange juice, and telling us all sales are final on products so no refund. It’s kinda aggravating, is what I am getting at.

you’re wrong, the issue is not that your constructive critisism differs from ours, or well it doesnt differ from mine. I dont like that ascended gear has higher stats and you can see me saying that in the 10k+ threat in the first pages.

Its the way that critisism is being delivered that I have a problem with! using your swamp example, set up the mall at the edge of the swamp is perfect ! its what I am saying people should say but instead people are saying the people in charge of building the mall are liars because they promised us a mall which they didnt manage to build (before even giving them a chance to do anything about it!)

StormGryffen.7638:

… This is “Occupy Arena-Net.” …

Funny, I thought the same thing that this has turned into Occupy Guild Wars [OGW]

“On a side note, I’ve noticed a significant increase in activity on lower-level maps since Monday.”

That’s probably because all the free trial people bought the game.

“using your swamp example, set up the mall at the edge of the swamp is perfect ! its what I am saying people should say but instead people are saying the people in charge of building the mall are liars because they promised us a mall which they didnt manage to build (before even giving them a chance to do anything about it!)”

Actually, it’s more like the people who built the mall charging you 70$ to enter the mall saying there’s an observatory at the back that lets you look into the swamp only to discover that instead it’s an escalator that goes up and down.

Every mall has an escalator. I wouldn’t have payed 70$ to enter a mall with an escalator. Either build the observatory your already took my money and promising me was there, or give me my money back since you lied.

There is something I really don’t understand.

Those of us who dislike ascended gear, are trying to establish a communication with ArenaNet. We aren’t trying to argue with other players, we just try and make our concerns heard by those who have the power to change things.

Furthermore, the reason of a lot of anger is that ArenaNet failed to even aknowledge the very existence of our negative feedback, which is something that those companies who value their customers usually do.

This is where those players that don’t disllike the changes come in and make things worse because they basically try and delegitimate those who are upset, while they could just leave us alone in out attempt to start a debate with the devs.

If you guys who accuse us of having spoiled the forums are really so concerned about the community and the atmosphere on the forums, why are you throwing gasoline on the fire, instead of staying on the sidelines and wait?

Why can’t you guys be a little more empathic and say “OK I see where you are coming from. Personally I like the game better how it is right now, but it’s a fact this is a direction nobody would have expected after what was said in the manifesto.”

You preach the union of the community, yet you play ArenaNet’s advocate while forgetting they are the ones who don’t communicate with us on the matter, making things much worse.

Galen Grey.4709:

GADefence.5634:

“I’m seeing too many posts about people’s upset feelings, conspiracy theories, and opinions and not enough actual constructive feedback.”

We all post constructive feedback. Our feedback is take it out. It is not our fault our feedback differs from yours.

It’s like if you wanted to build an observatory/mall in the middle of a swamp yet the swamp kept screwing up the foundation. Someone says the fix of “move the mall to solid ground, setup the observatory on the edge of the swamp” and the rest say that’s not constructive because it doesn’t fix the issue of setting up the mall/observatory combo in the swamp.

“Some people have long abandoned the concept of constructive critisism and openly embraced the lync mob mentality!”

Well, most people here feel what ANet did is the equivalent to selling us milk, delivering us orange juice, and telling us all sales are final on products so no refund. It’s kinda aggravating, is what I am getting at.

you’re wrong, the issue is not that your constructive critisism differs from ours, or well it doesnt differ from mine. I dont like that ascended gear has higher stats and you can see me saying that in the 10k+ threat in the first pages.

Its the way that critisism is being delivered that I have a problem with! using your swamp example, set up the mall at the edge of the swamp is perfect ! its what I am saying people should say but instead people are saying the people in charge of building the mall are liars because they promised us a mall which they didnt manage to build (before even giving them a chance to do anything about it!)

This is a case of the Customer stacking the deck prior to giving the company a chance. They come in with seeking only what they see as the answer to their problems and when presented with a different answer they get upset. See it all the time at my Tech Support job. Often it leads to upset customers, but that is the truth of it. You don’t go making up lies to the customer to make them happy. Especially not when large amounts of computer data is involved.

Everyone here might not like ArenaNet. Many may even hate them right now, though that is a strong word. But, coming in expecting a certain answer or things a certain way will just upset you more. Don’t come into the forums expecting to always get an answer. Don’t come into the forums expecting to get the answer you want. Expectations are terrible and coming in with them is the worst thing happening to this forum I think. Anyways my 2 coppers and thoughts on the matter.

MechanicalMind.9126:

MrThebigcheese.2014:

Anet hyped this game like crazy and simply didn’t deliver.

They deserve the complaints. Also, making posts telling others to stop making posts is futile.

This. I honestly think the OP is trolling or doesn’t know what free speech is.

Ugh. American, I take it?

Did you know that the first amendment only applies to public land, not private land? And that a forum owned and operated by a private company would be classified as private “land”? People on the internet need to stop waving that “I can be however much of an kitten I want because free speech!” banner on forums, because the devs own those forums and most certainly are not obligated by law to give you a soap box.

~The More You Know~

I agree that you should be permitted to say your part and be mad if you want, but I think the OP hit the nail on the head here. There is way too much of this “game ruined I quit” nonsense, and not nearly enough “you dun goofed, ANet, but that’s okay, let’s work together to fix this”.

For example:

I hate Ascended gear with the passion of a thousand suns. But knowing full well that ANet will never remove it just to satisfy me, I’m suggesting that they make implementation of Ascended gear in other areas (including PvE and WvW) a top priority. And I’m also encouraging them to lower the amount of grind to obtain those items by providing better looting tables.

Another issue from this release: I am neutral on the one-time event’s chest being so rewarding (because it really should be rewarding, but I can see why people hated missing out). So when I sent my survey in, I suggested to them that they upgrade the chests in every other high-level event chain so that they are equally rewarding. That would make new one-time events less painful to players who miss out, because there will be plenty of repeating events that offer similar rewards.

There needs to be less destruction, and more construction in this forum if the game is going to be fixed. Don’t stomp your feet and throw a tantrum and hold your breath until they remove the content you don’t like. Point out what you feel is flawed and compromise with the devs to make that content work better in the game.

Urxx.6840:

Why can’t you guys be a little more empathic and say “OK I see where you are coming from. Personally I like the game better how it is right now, but it’s a fact this is a direction nobody would have expected after what was said in the manifesto.”

You preach the union of the community, yet you play ArenaNet’s advocate while forgetting they are the ones who don’t communicate with us on the matter, making things much worse.

First off, most of the ArenaNet employees are on holiday for Thanksgiving. This is right after many of them worked over the weekend on the event, which, considering how it went, had to have been pretty stressful. They did respond, several times, with the last communication being a promise that next week they’ll have information for us on their plans. I don’t begrudge these real people their personal time off to spend with their families because I’m upset about a video game, and my opinion is that anyone who does needs to get their priorities straight. I’m willing to wait for next week to see details, since any misunderstandings they didn’t have the time to work out now would only fuel speculation and possibly fury over the next few days, when they don’t have time to respond. Even something as simple as, “We’ll be addressing your concerns about Ascended gear” would most likely be seen as a promise by some to remove it and an indication that they weren’t denouncing it strongly enough by others.

Second, the OP never says that s/he’s in favor of Ascended gear, and in fact talks about what we can do to give constructive feedback so that ArenaNet will adjust their plans. I’m very much against Ascended gear. I’m sure other people in here are too, and we’re also trying to open up communication with the developers. The point the OP is trying to make is that it’s a two-way street: we can’t expect full and open communication if everything ArenaNet says is met with hostility from those who aren’t pleased with their exact wording or level of boot-kissing.

Another, ‘you don’t qualify if you don’t think like me’ thread. Sorry, but the whole ‘me’ thing is wearing thin.

Good or Bad, feedback is ‘feedback’; ArenaNet deserves an honest opinion. So yours is rose-tinted. Good.

GADefence.5634:

We all post constructive feedback. Our feedback is take it out. It is not our fault our feedback differs from yours.

That isn’t constructive feedback. Constructive feedback is made with respect to the pressures faced by the opposing party in an attempt to meet a mutually-beneficial middle ground which is achievable. What you’re demanding is that a facet of the game be taken out that you think will result in a poorer product – something that may or may not be achievable.

As I’ve said elsewhere, I get that it’s frustrating, but demanding that something you don’t like be removed from a product you’ve purchased isn’t something that’s easily fixed. It’s not like tossing a leaf of lettuce aside from a sandwich you’ve bought – it risks people’s jobs – people who may not even be responsible for the changes you dislike so much. At this point, backpedalling away from a decision can make the party look weak and indecisive, which is not something that bosses, investors and many customers appreciate. Accepting that a decision might not have been the best but trying to work that decision into a more acceptable framework is generally more realistic, but even then I’d expect that ANet is beholden to significantly more imposing pressures than this forum alone.

I agree, there should be more constructive feedback and people should learn to adapt to things.
Games aren’t create to please you, but to please a lot of others too, and what others like might not be what you like.

MrThebigcheese.2014:

Anet hyped this game like crazy and simply didn’t deliver.

They deserve the complaints. Also, making posts telling others to stop making posts is futile.

Anet didn’t hype nothing, you did along with everyone else. All anet did was tell you what features GW2 had everything else was all gaming community. And yes they did deliver.

I agree with the op. If its not constructive there is no point in writing about it on the forums, and 90% of the stuff is non-constructive flaming.

The nice thing about paid MMO’s was that they could block you from using forums if you weren’t subscribed anymore. This seriously reduce’s the amount of “This game is dead” threads and other such useless commentaries.

Is the update perfect? Maybe not. So far though I’m having lots of fun with it though and I think the developers did a great job (especially on the environments).

I’m a PvP player and never touch dungeons (I think i had done AC story mode and that was it). I decided to give FotM a shot and was surprised how fun it was. I remember looking up the recipe and going wow i’ll never get that back piece (having only 60s at the time). Then what do you know 45 minutes later I linked my Tome of the Rubicon to my guild (This is one of the cheaper ones to get because it uses ancient bones, I feel for those that need 250 powerful bloods, but the same price inflation happens on all precision gear)

Forum comunity is not representative for the player base… the real players are there playing and not posting here.

If only..

If only the worst thing that happened in GW2 took place on the forums.
Cuz that would mean bot trains hadn’t run over the game, that would mean 40,000+ players wouldn’t have had their accounts hacked, the game would have launched When it’s Ready™, the pvp system would have been properly in place for the first months of play, it’d mean our characters’ abilities and traits would work bug-free, that wvw would be about players, rather than about exploiting bugs…

If only…

wish the players thinking like OP could all get their own server so we can in all quiet play the game as meant to be.

fully agree with it. yes negative feedback is needed at times ofcourse how else would one change something “bad” into something “good”? But all i been reading past few days is hatred topic on hatred topic. it makes me sad really. i love guild wars and arena net, and i really do not think all this hatred reflects even closely to what the real community ingame thinks.

fine you can be upset and all about missing event or an item or whatever you might be upset about, but please stay focused on the issue. if i would go in a store and stand scream like what happens in some of these topics to a clerk, i most likely would get arrested for undecentfull behaviour. (sorry not native english and dont know how to call it).

and the gear grind as people call it: you do NOT must do this. it is an OPTION to do so.