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The dragon we saw being burned in trailer
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Remember the big dragons can spawn lesser dragons as avatars/liutenants/extensions of himself.
Yes you’re right.
Either it is a lieutenant or it’s conceptual and not to scale and only represents them killing an Elder Dragon. I personally think the latter and it is meant to look prophetic rather than them actually having killed one.
Either it is a lieutenant or it’s conceptual and not to scale and only represents them killing an Elder Dragon. I personally think the latter and it is meant to look prophetic rather than them actually having killed one.
But it’s not an elder dragon. Could be a leuitenant.
If you mean it’s Gleam, glints other kid then eh….I’m on the fence on that.
I doubt it, not from a it’s not possible scenario but from a death like that off screen holds less impact for a party that would actually gain to see it in Aurene.
If you mean it’s Gleam, glints other kid then eh….I’m on the fence on that.
I doubt it, not from a it’s not possible scenario but from a death like that off screen holds less impact for a party that would actually gain to see it in Aurene.
Nooo nooo guys I’m not saying it happened, I’m saying it could happen in the future. The trailer could be a future prediction of the eye.
Either it is a lieutenant or it’s conceptual and not to scale and only represents them killing an Elder Dragon. I personally think the latter and it is meant to look prophetic rather than them actually having killed one.
But it’s not an elder dragon. Could be a leuitenant.
It could be an Elder Dragon. Conceptual and prophetic artwork does not take always take size and scale into things as it is representational.
Either it is a lieutenant or it’s conceptual and not to scale and only represents them killing an Elder Dragon. I personally think the latter and it is meant to look prophetic rather than them actually having killed one.
But it’s not an elder dragon. Could be a leuitenant.
It could be an Elder Dragon. Conceptual and prophetic artwork does not take always take size and scale into things as it is representational.
Yea but when you take power of kralk into consideration, and his size, there is no way. The machine broke, so I don’t see how Balthazar could drain kralk’s power enough to kill him. Now remember, the big baddies aren’t like zhaitan and mordy. Kralk, primo, and jormag, can crush Mordy and zhaitan with one hand. These are the big three, even their elements show how ancient they are. Woohoo so zhaitan controlled the dead and mordy made grass attack us, these guys are at a different playing field. These 3 dragons destroy everything and anything that is within range without them even launching an attack. These are dragons that destroy and rearrange Tyria just by flapping their wings. The elder dragons we fought so far were basically babies that sucked up the drops of energy that the big 3 didn’t. Soooooo I highly doubt that was kralk.
Again, conceptual art like these do not take into account size, scale, power etc. It is a well used, tried and tested technique used in trailers, prophecy stills and set up artwork in games and other forms of media. GW2 uses it in the core campaign showing a considerably smaller and different looking Zhaitan in cutscenes.
I still think it is one of the ED’s but in a generic, symbolic representation of one being killed/attacked by Balths minions rather than being in any way accurate. I doubt even a Lieuitenant could be killed by a spear thrust in its face.
Again, conceptual art like these do not take into account size, scale, power etc. It is a well used, tried and tested technique used in trailers, prophecy stills and set up artwork in games and other forms of media. GW2 uses it in the core campaign showing a considerably smaller and different looking Zhaitan in cutscenes.
I still think it is one of the ED’s but in a generic, symbolic representation of one being killed/attacked by Balths minions rather than being in any way accurate. I doubt even a Lieuitenant could be killed by a spear thrust in its face.
Well okay. I understand what you mean, but eh.
Also, there is nothing to say Primordus, Kralk and Jormag could crush the other Dragons. We already saw how destructive Mordy was and his weakness was inside the Dream/mind. Combined with his enormous physical reach within the Maguuma and beyond, he would be difficult to crush.
Zhaitan was heavily weakened when we encountered him and never saw him at his peak, so it is difficult to say how powerful he could be, beyond what the LS3 lore journals showed that he defeated a powerful Mursaat force when they attacked (can’t remember if that was with the Forgotten or not). Lets not forget his rising brought with it an entire landmass.
We do not know how powerful Primordus was in comparison, all we saw outside his dormant state was the bloated form in Draconis Mons where he had grown massively in size and power after gorging on the extra magic there (my assumption anyway).
We know nothing about the DSD apart from it is out there, possibly soaking up magic unchecked. It could be the most powerful. And Kralk was last seen flying off after nearly being defeated. Has he soaked up more magic given his distance? Is he weakened? That we don’t know either.
TDLR: I wouldn’t put much thought into who is stronger than who with the DRagons. They all seem roughly on par when you take out each others mitigating circumstances/weaknesses
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Um sorry what trailer? I feel like I’m missing out here.
Um sorry what trailer? I feel like I’m missing out here.
It’s less trailer, more the end cinematic of One Path Ends which sets up the expansion
Don’t watch if you haven’t done the last episode
Also, there is nothing to say Primordus, Kralk and Jormag could crush the other Dragons. We already saw how destructive Mordy was and his weakness was inside the Dream/mind. Combined with his enormous physical reach within the Maguuma and beyond, he would be difficult to crush.
Zhaitan was heavily weakened when we encountered him and never saw him at his peak, so it is difficult to say how powerful he could be, beyond what the LS3 lore journals showed that he defeated a powerful Mursaat force when they attacked (can’t remember if that was with the Forgotten or not). Lets not forget his rising brought with it an entire landmass.
We do not know how powerful Primordus was in comparison, all we saw outside his dormant state was the bloated form in Draconis Mons where he had grown massively in size and power after gorging on the extra magic there (my assumption anyway).
We know nothing about the DSD apart from it is out there, possibly soaking up magic unchecked. It could be the most powerful. And Kralk was last seen flying off after nearly being defeated. Has he soaked up more magic given his distance? Is he weakened? That we don’t know either.
TDLR: I wouldn’t put much thought into who is stronger than who with the DRagons. They all seem roughly on par when you take out each others mitigating circumstances/weaknesses
You made some strong points. Regardless I do it based on awakenings and energy that the game leads me to assume they consumed.
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Also, there is nothing to say Primordus, Kralk and Jormag could crush the other Dragons. We already saw how destructive Mordy was and his weakness was inside the Dream/mind. Combined with his enormous physical reach within the Maguuma and beyond, he would be difficult to crush.
Zhaitan was heavily weakened when we encountered him and never saw him at his peak, so it is difficult to say how powerful he could be, beyond what the LS3 lore journals showed that he defeated a powerful Mursaat force when they attacked (can’t remember if that was with the Forgotten or not). Lets not forget his rising brought with it an entire landmass.
We do not know how powerful Primordus was in comparison, all we saw outside his dormant state was the bloated form in Draconis Mons where he had grown massively in size and power after gorging on the extra magic there (my assumption anyway).
We know nothing about the DSD apart from it is out there, possibly soaking up magic unchecked. It could be the most powerful. And Kralk was last seen flying off after nearly being defeated. Has he soaked up more magic given his distance? Is he weakened? That we don’t know either.
TDLR: I wouldn’t put much thought into who is stronger than who with the DRagons. They all seem roughly on par when you take out each others mitigating circumstances/weaknesses
You made some strong points. Regardless I do it based on awakenings and energy that the game leads me to assume they consumed.
Do bear in mind, Kralk was one of the last to wake – a century after Zhaitan for example who then consumed a great deal more energy than Kralk who didn’t have time between rising and the battle Vs Destinys Edge to continue consuming more and has had maybe 8 years to bolster his powers.
However, this whole discussion does provoke greater interest in the previous risings. I would love to explore forgotten/lost/ancient texts on any of the previous risings and see how the Dragons manifested themselves and their attacks on the World.
Maybe one day we will see fractals explore eras of these times. I think that would be a lot more fascinating than some of the more recent ones we have had, especially as the Elder Dragons are the central theme of the game. and story.
We asked the Eye of Janthir to show where is Balthazar, we didn’t ask ‘what will happen’.
I believe the Eye was not tricky because it saw within us that we are equal to the Eye.
In the vision we saw:
1) The head of the dragon who is turning burned.
2) We see a lot of people who are serving Balthazar and they are killing the dragon
3) then we see Balthazar and Crystal Desert who is turning into ashes.
This dragon who is killed by the spear must be one of Kralkatorrik’s creatures.
It is not likely to be Gleam at all. I was hyped that it could be Gleam but it’d be really poor plot… Especially because of Aurene.
But perhaps this shows us- the players fighting with the grand Kralkatorrik’s champion- epic boss fight? Maybe…
But this dragon doesn’t look like the Shatterer, he looks like Glint… Like Aurene… I really hope it is not Gleam I want to know his story.
We’ll see.
“The Elder Dragon is no more”
I guess, the story will continue as followes:
We will follow Balthazar to Elona, where hes trying to get more powerful, so that he can undo, what we did in the last episode to Primordus sending him back to sleep by neutralizing his magic with the magical energy of Jormag (not, Jormag is still a danger and active, we just neutralized only Primordus so that he won’t be an imminent danger right now).
Primordus is important for Bsalthazar, as hes the Elder Dragon of Fire and Destruction, thus not incorporating just one of his realms that balthazar represents as human god, but as representign one of the big relms of the Bloodstone Magic types.
From what Balthaza say, you get the impression as a player, that he must be in a kind of controversion/argument with the other gods, one that they seem not to be able to settle, but Balthazar seems to be so enraged over this, that he thought I guess – ok, if the other gods are not on my side, then I’m putting up my own path of fire/war now going rogue god now (basically similar like Abaddon did in the past and we know, how that ended)
But I get the feeling, that it won’t last long, until we might see Abaddon returning with the help of Balthazar, that this is eventually his true goal, to free Abaddons to become practically “partners” against the other remaining gods, because alone was abaddoons no deal agaisnt the 4 other gods, but together they will maybe stand a chance to get through their goals they are following…
The question is only, why are still Dwayna, Grenth, Lyssa, Kormir and Melandru silent, why don’t they react on what Balthazar does, which is more than obviously harmful to Tyria… or are they hoping for it, that Tyria itself will do the dirty work for then?? that they kind of think, they need to act only first, should the disstaer really come true, that Balthazar frees Abaddon through the powers gained by killing Primordus after he has become in Elona powerful enough to try it again, where we were able to stop in at his first try in the last episode.
Because only we put primordus for now back to sleep, doesn’t mean, that balthazar doesn’t can try it again to bring him fully to awaken, os that he can kind of absorb his powers with that he will mostly likely be able to destroy the seal of Abaddons prison in the Realm of Torment…
I kind of believe, if this kind of story is about to continue in the direction i think it will go, we will most likely see also the return as explorable part of the game of the Realm of torment, the Underworld, Fissure of Woe ect. and the other godly realms, as they were great part of GW1 lore and the game itself as endgame content – so why not bring these places back to GW2 as endgame content? as new possible raids/fractals ect.
Remember, we once had the chance to get an Abaddon Fractal – imo the much better choice would it have been, than this thaumanova Reactor stuff … but eventually anet reworked that made efforts now for somethign ,that becomes part soon of living word season 4??
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Remember the big dragons can spawn lesser dragons as avatars/liutenants/extensions of himself.
Not really. Yes, some can spawn lesser servants in the shape of the dragons (the plant dragon is such lieutenant), but it is strongly implied that’s not from where dragons (as differentiated from Elder Dragons) come from. From what we seem to know, Dragons were just a very ancient race (one that predated Mursaat, Seers, Jotun and Forgotten).
Remember, that there’s a location in Tyria (Majesty’s Rest) that is a resting place (graveyard) of dragons that do not seem to be in any way connected to EDs.
So, in truth, Glint is not Kralkatolrik’s creation, but was one of the Branded. Zhaitan’s lieutenants are likely also just Risen Dragons, not his spawns.
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I thought it looked more like Primordus and being called path of fire made sense cause its Balthazar & Primordus maybe? Primordus maybe woke up after the dealing with Balthazar in Draconis Mons?
Remember the big dragons can spawn lesser dragons as avatars/liutenants/extensions of himself.
Not really. Yes, some can spawn lesser servants in the shape of the dragons (the plant dragon is such lieutenant), but it is strongly implied that’s not from where dragons (as differentiated from Elder Dragons) come from. From what we seem to know, Dragons were just a very ancient race (one that predated Mursaat, Seers, Jotun and Forgotten).
Remember, that there’s a location in Tyria (Majesty’s Rest) that is a resting place (graveyard) of dragons that do not seem to be in any way connected to EDs.
So, in truth, Glint is not Kralkatolrik’s creation, but was one of the Branded. Zhaitan’s lieutenants are likely also just Risen Dragons, not his spawns.
I weren’t refering to dragons as a race, just as a “shape”. I don’t know what dragons as a race were in the ancient Tyria, or if they had any connection with the Elder ones. But the elder liutenants sure look and behave like some kind of dragon to me.
And by “spawn” liutenants I weren’t speaking about reproduction or family (I don’t know enough, really, to assure or negate this), just about how the elder made them to happen.
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that it makes every other class in the game boring to play.”
Hawks
that it makes every other class in the game boring to play.”
Hawks
I thought it looked more like Primordus and being called path of fire made sense cause its Balthazar & Primordus maybe? Primordus maybe woke up after the dealing with Balthazar in Draconis Mons?
I wouldn’t have thought so, although I admit to initially thinking Primordus myself. Primordus has gone back to a certain level of dormancy so he is likely still too far away across the continent to have moved across to Elona.
I think the story is going to struggle to do justice to Balth, Palawa Joko, Elona and Kralkatorrik as it is (based on past experience) without them introducing Primordus back into the mix.
I weren’t refering to dragons as a race, just as a “shape”. I don’t know what dragons as a race were in the ancient Tyria, or if they had any connection with the Elder ones. But the elder liutenants sure look and behave like some kind of dragon to me.
Some of them likely are dragons. Just Branded, Icebrood, Risen, etc. Others, like the Plant Dragon, are likely shaped like that because it’s a good template for a powerful minion.
And by “spawn” liutenants I weren’t speaking about reproduction or family (I don’t know enough, really, to assure or negate this), just about how the elder made them to happen.
That’s not really accurate then. Elder Dragons cannot “spawn” dragons. What they can do is pick powerful creatures and turn them into minions (Jormag, Kralkatolrik, Zhaitan). Those creatures can happen to be dragons, but do not really have to be dragons (though if you can have dragon minions, making them lieutenants is generally a good choice). Other EDs (Primordius, Mordremoth) can create their Lieutenants. Those can have dragon shape (plant Dragon), but also do not have to (The Great Destroyer).
Though if you wanted to say that a dragon shown may be a dragon lieutenant instead of ED, you are of course right. It may be.
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