Guild Wars 2

Ok, I’ll start with the required I love the game but statement………
It’s true, the game is fun to play, beautiful graphics, large amounts of content and then you hit level 80. Once I hit 80 the game seemed to lack purpose, and worse yet became the grind fest we were told it would not be. At least, that’s what it seems to be. Aside from 5 dungeons and cursed shore grinding all that’s left is to map jump and hope you don’t get mistaken for a botter.
I’m not one of those who think legendary weapons should be easier to get and I don’t care about th DR of precursors but at least give us more to shoot for than grinding for gold.
And don’t tell me fractals for ascended gear, that’s just another grind. Whatever happened to mobs actually dropping usable gear, not just crafting breakdown gear.
Now, having said all that, does anyone feel the same or have any advice that will, hopefully, make my comment dead wrong? I would like to think the endgame is more than starting the rediculous legendary grind, (I play a ranger and have no desire for the worst legendary bow ever invented for a male player trying to look menacing, nothing says fear me like a……….. Rainbow firing, flower trailing bow of the pretty pretty princess!

WvW (filler here)

Stormborn.1549:

Ok, I’ll start with the required I love the game but statement………
It’s true, the game is fun to play, beautiful graphics, large amounts of content and then you hit level 80. Once I hit 80 the game seemed to lack purpose, and worse yet became the grind fest we were told it would not be. At least, that’s what it seems to be. Aside from 5 dungeons and cursed shore grinding all that’s left is to map jump and hope you don’t get mistaken for a botter.
I’m not one of those who think legendary weapons should be easier to get and I don’t care about th DR of precursors but at least give us more to shoot for than grinding for gold.
And don’t tell me fractals for ascended gear, that’s just another grind. Whatever happened to mobs actually dropping usable gear, not just crafting breakdown gear.
Now, having said all that, does anyone feel the same or have any advice that will, hopefully, make my comment dead wrong? I would like to think the endgame is more than starting the rediculous legendary grind, (I play a ranger and have no desire for the worst legendary bow ever invented for a male player trying to look menacing, nothing says fear me like a……….. Rainbow firing, flower trailing bow of the pretty pretty princess!

It’s not so much that mobs should drop incredible gear, it’s that the crafting professions don’t really get to create anything incredible using what IS dropped even in abundance…

So you’ve seen everything in every zone. Pretty impressive. You’ve found hidden caves, done all the events, found every jumping puzzle.

I’m level 80 too. I almost never farm Orr, because it’s not that enjoyable to me. I do visit earlier zones though, which is fine since I can get drops for my level. People who limit themselves to the last five zones are playing some other game. I can only do these zones.

But this game was never intended for that. For example the Harathi Hinterlands is one of my favorite zones. There’s always a war going on there. I really like some of the events. So I revisit it.

I’m still working on achievements in those zones. I still get drops for my level. I still get to do all the stuff I normally do.

I guess the question to ask here is that is the end game in Skyrim? Because that’s older than Guild Wars 2 and people still play it.

Also there are 8 dungeons, not 3 and those dungeons are pretty challenging, even at level 80. And each of those dungeons have at least 3 paths (Arah has 4). You’ve beaten all the explorable paths of all the dungeons.

How far have you gotten in fractals?

This doesn’t even include WvW or SPvP.

Now if you don’t like jumping puzzles, dungeons, PvP or dynamic events, then yes, all that’s left is farming.

I’m guessing you’re not in a guild, and you’ve soloed the game, mostly, because a good portion of what I do is guild related. I hang out of my guild, helping the people who need help with various dungeons.

You’re looking for an end game like a raiding game, where they give you a raid to bang your head against, until it bleeds, but lock you out so you can only do it once a week. They don’t have that here.

Edit: Do you have 100% world completion?

There is no endgame in GW2, and farming for gear is pointless, cause there is no individual competition too.

I play a Ranger as well, stuck at 98% map completion, ran around the world for the sake of running around the world, gotten exotics with pleasing skins, (don’t care about ascended or legendaries), leveled different crafts. I log in for say an hour of WvWvW at most then a looming headache forces me to logout. I can’t level yet another alt, I just don’t have it in me because I know what I’m facing soon as I hit 80.

The experience has its fun aspects but none of it goes very deep, especially the combat (I miss skill capping and making crazy builds that may or may not work).

Ikcen.7518:

There is no endgame in GW2, and farming for gear is pointless, cause there is no individual competition too.

This is true. There is no end game period. Maybe I am use to 20 man raids that take a bit to get down, you have a few of them. We have a few 5 man dungeons that have 3 paths. Each drop their own tokens for gear you may not want because the stats are not what you want but you run them for guildies. Yes you can explore the world……, you have jumping puzzles, you can farm but wait. The best farming area got nerfed to where that is now boring to farm even on a clothie….

That being said….just waiting out the time now.

You can stop looking. There ain’t any.

Apparently endgame is the journey to 80, maybe you missed it. It’s okay, a lot of us did I think.

On a serious note, WvW is the endgame I was aiming for. Unfortunately it’s pretty bland in it’s current state.

I agree that there a lot of diversionary things, such as events and exploring but I guess I was looking for more character building and less fluff. I like all of those but at the end of the day it feels hollow. I’m not insulting the game, I play a lot so that would be hypocritical. But I was / am a little confused with the “incentive” of the endgame. Most of the time, I feel like I’m looking to find that driving goal to keep me going after I’ve gotten all my skills and the armor and weapon look I want.
As far as a guild, you are 100% spot on, I’ve tried finding a guild but so far I just haven’t found the right fit, but maybe soon.

What? No endgame? Come on guys, we have Southsun Cove and the new Living Story. Two gigantic content updates! Come on, get happy!

jwburks.9735:

What? No endgame? Come on guys, we have Southsun Cove and the new Living Story. Two gigantic content updates! Come on, get happy!

Don’t be rude.

It can hurt feelings ya know?

You can always go for a Pony bow, hear its actually cool in some circles…

Yeah me neither..

endgame is a misnomer

I’m sorry, but what game does have an endgame? WoW? A game which you grind for gear, that allows you to grind for better gear that ultimately makes you able to compete in PvP which makes you grind for rank? Give me one mmorpg that has endgame, in which you wouldn’t complain about grinding. Please. I beg you. I will migrate to it right now.

Attila.6348:

I’m sorry, but what game does have an endgame? WoW? A game which you grind for gear, that allows you to grind for better gear that ultimately makes you able to compete in PvP which makes you grind for rank? Give me one mmorpg that has endgame, in which you wouldn’t complain about grinding. Please. I beg you. I will migrate to it right now.

Aion had endgame, with actual tactical PVPVE in either Dredgion or Abyss Fort Assaults, end game raids, rifts, openworld, world bosses that were actually rare (thought guilds did camp them sometimes), tournaments, player housing, mount collecting, flight races and challanages…… now that i think about it WvWvW is a lot like Aion’s Abyss suffering from the same probelm but with a LOT LOT LESS.

In Aion Forts your faction captured actually unlocked Instances specific to that Fort, there was a third faction the Baluar in PvPvE (WvWvW). There was Dredgion which was again PvPvE.

Just actual content that cottoned up “exploring” or “cosmetics” the thing was Aion had both of those, cosmetics were a big part of Aion but it wasn’t listed one of it’s main features it was just a standard.

mastered pve? master pvp.

For me, GW2 endgame is called “dailies.”

Revolution.6301:

jwburks.9735:

What? No endgame? Come on guys, we have Southsun Cove and the new Living Story. Two gigantic content updates! Come on, get happy!

Don’t be rude.

It can hurt feelings ya know?

So if I don’t sugarcoat the reality of the situation, that makes me rude?

jwburks.9735:

Revolution.6301:

jwburks.9735:

What? No endgame? Come on guys, we have Southsun Cove and the new Living Story. Two gigantic content updates! Come on, get happy!

Don’t be rude.

It can hurt feelings ya know?

So if I don’t sugarcoat the reality of the situation, that makes me rude?

You stated two parts of two updates and misleadingly represented them as the only content released for endgame. Yes, it’s implied in your statement.

I don’t know if that makes you rude, but it’s not the reality of the situation.

jwburks.9735:

Revolution.6301:

jwburks.9735:

What? No endgame? Come on guys, we have Southsun Cove and the new Living Story. Two gigantic content updates! Come on, get happy!

Don’t be rude.

It can hurt feelings ya know?

So if I don’t sugarcoat the reality of the situation, that makes me rude?

I think it does. I think it does. I think it does.

I see where you’re going with this . . .

800 hours of game play and I just recently beat my story. I haven’t even got into wvw yet either.. which is why i bought the game to begin with… how do people go through the game so fast? and now there are laurels and that new content stuff coming out. guild events and whatnot.. I still dont have the exact armor or dyes that i want or the weapons-this is all endgame stuff right?

Stormborn.1549:

(I play a ranger and have no desire for the worst legendary bow ever invented for a male player trying to look menacing, nothing says fear me like a……….. Rainbow firing, flower trailing bow of the pretty pretty princess!)

Imagine the humiliation of some guy in rainbow armor that destroys you in wvw by shooting unicorns and rainbows at you. .. lol

No such thing as endgame in any mmo. Endgame implies that you finished the game and quilting.

Your looking you reasons to play. Anet will be adding things overtime to give people a reason to play. Guild missions next patch.

jwburks.9735:

I see where you’re going with this . . .

Why thank you that is where I was going.

Man now you made us both be rude. UGH >:D hehe

I like the endgame in GW2 very much… because they give me the freedom to make my own and use the entire game world to do it.

In other words… they want you to play your way… not lead you around by the nose.

I don’t know, I like going for achievements. There are plenty of them. It’s fun. It’s like a giant scavenger hunt.

Or, get this, make another character, turn off your map markers and try to complete zones with no zone completion icons on your map. That’s fun too. And HARD. lol

The same as every other MMO minus the raiding.

bluewanders.5297:

I like the endgame in GW2 very much… because they give me the freedom to make my own and use the entire game world to do it.

In other words… they want you to play your way… not lead you around by the nose.

This is pretty much my end game too- I do what ever I feel like doing at the time.
When my alts are 80 I can do that with any class I choose.
Now, I log into whoever I feel like- I normally play 2-3 of my characters a day and just let the game take me where it wants.
I love the freedom of it.
But this kind of play-style is not for everyone, especially people who need a specific goal

Vayne.8563:

I don’t know, I like going for achievements. There are plenty of them. It’s fun. It’s like a giant scavenger hunt.

Or, get this, make another character, turn off your map markers and try to complete zones with no zone completion icons on your map. That’s fun too. And HARD. lol

Artificially creating difficulty in a game to offset it’s lack of challenge in a type of content that is “subjectively” fun?

Seriously, stop reaching at straws.

If making our own fun was intended, they’d have offered up more tools for us to do so, I’m not all “doom n gloom” but the desperate covering of this games shortcomings instead of honest to goodness feedback, is irritating to say the least and I can sometimes sympathize with the ones that get nasty towards it.

Morrigan.2809:

bluewanders.5297:

I like the endgame in GW2 very much… because they give me the freedom to make my own and use the entire game world to do it.

In other words… they want you to play your way… not lead you around by the nose.

This is pretty much my end game too- I do what ever I feel like doing at the time.
When my alts are 80 I can do that with any class I choose.
Now, I log into whoever I feel like- I normally play 2-3 of my characters a day and just let the game take me where it wants.
I love the freedom of it.
But this kind of play-style is not for everyone, especially people who need a specific goal

So your argument is that if this game is treated like second life with a bit more action, then it’s fine? :/

Goals are part and parcel of all games. Remove them without giving enough sandbox elements to make up for it and you essentially create a bad simulation.

Hellkaiser.6025:

Vayne.8563:

I don’t know, I like going for achievements. There are plenty of them. It’s fun. It’s like a giant scavenger hunt.

Or, get this, make another character, turn off your map markers and try to complete zones with no zone completion icons on your map. That’s fun too. And HARD. lol

Artificially creating difficulty in a game to offset it’s lack of challenge in a type of content that is “subjectively” fun?

Seriously, stop reaching at straws.

What an amazing answer.

There are two types of content…user created content and developer created content.

No developer team in existence can make enough content out of the box to satisfy people who want a good MMO. They can only lay the bones for an MMO, and then add to it over time. Otherwise the MMO would be in development for ten years, and no one can afford to front that kind of money. As some point, they have to start making money to pay staff, among other things.

So when an MMO comes out, only someone who hasn’t a clue how MMOs work could possibly expect tons of endgame content from a new MMO. It hasn’t happened yet, it’s not going to happen. They make the world, they make the game, and then they make more content, which takes time. Happens to every MMO. Why should Guild Wars 2 be any different?

So if you see a game you really like the design of, or the world, you make your own fun until more fun comes out. I’m not grasping at straws, but simply being realistic. I never expected unlimited content from a new game, so I make my own fun.

You can go to any MMO forum for every game ever made six months after launch and see these same complaints. The only thing that other games might have that makes it seem like there’s more content is more grind, and lockouts on the hardest content so you can’t do them but once a week. Which isn’t content.

I have realistic expectations of a new MMO, where as you seem to want more content than any MMO can reasonably deliver. Most MMOs start with 500-600 quests. Guild Wars 2 has 1500 dynamic events, plus a personal story none of the games has. It launched with 3 PVP maps and WvW. I can’t think of ANY MMO that has launched with this much content.

Of course you’ll experience it in six months. You only paid $60-80 for the game. What an amazing amount of chutzpah people have to think that will entertain them for years to come.

This is a good game with a potential to become a great game. I recognize that, and so I’ll give the game time to mature and evolve.

You, on the other hand, will complain and be miserable. If that’s grasping at straws, I’ll happily take it.

Whatever happened to mobs actually dropping usable gear, not just crafting breakdown gear

Exotic is the highest tier for armor at this point. Mobs drop blues and greens mostly that are level 80 (that’s usable gear). Pin point me to a single MMO where the highest armor tier would have a better drop rate from regular mobs in PVE.

This game does not force you into an activity so the end game is what you want it to be. You can aim for tier 3 cultural skins, you can aim for a legendary, you can do WvW and PvP (this is a PvP oriented game after all), you can run dungeons, you can run fractals, you can aim for achievements and titles, you can level an alt, you can finish your story, you can try jumping puzzles. Being a player that loved sandbox simulation games I have no problems with my imagination. Former goal of mine was to do full map explore – achieved. Main goal now to have 8/8 professions max level.

Hellkaiser.6025:

Vayne.8563:

I don’t know, I like going for achievements. There are plenty of them. It’s fun. It’s like a giant scavenger hunt.

Or, get this, make another character, turn off your map markers and try to complete zones with no zone completion icons on your map. That’s fun too. And HARD. lol

Artificially creating difficulty in a game to offset it’s lack of challenge in a type of content that is “subjectively” fun?

Seriously, stop reaching at straws.

If making our own fun was intended, they’d have offered up more tools for us to do so, I’m not all “doom n gloom” but the desperate covering of this games shortcomings instead of honest to goodness feedback, is irritating to say the least and I can sometimes sympathize with the ones that get nasty towards it.

Morrigan.2809:

bluewanders.5297:

I like the endgame in GW2 very much… because they give me the freedom to make my own and use the entire game world to do it.

In other words… they want you to play your way… not lead you around by the nose.

This is pretty much my end game too- I do what ever I feel like doing at the time.
When my alts are 80 I can do that with any class I choose.
Now, I log into whoever I feel like- I normally play 2-3 of my characters a day and just let the game take me where it wants.
I love the freedom of it.
But this kind of play-style is not for everyone, especially people who need a specific goal

So your argument is that if this game is treated like second life with a bit more action, then it’s fine? :/

Goals are part and parcel of all games. Remove them without giving enough sandbox elements to make up for it and you essentially create a bad simulation.

Second Life? lol- I have a real life thank you and GW2 is a game to me not my life or a job.

I am a grown-up and I don’t expect to be entertained while I sit passively by and be spoon fed.
So I like to create my own goals.

I am sorry you don’t like what I do with my game time but I am enjoying myself while you clearly are not.

My suggestion to the OP stands-
If you like creating your own goals- this game is perfect for it.
It is an incredibly rich virtual world with so many cool things hidden away if you just look.

The only truly repeatable gameplay (ie. “Endgame”) is competitive gameplay.

Therefore:
- WvW
- sPvP
- Dominate the trading post
- Make speedrun videos

Any other type of “endgame” will eventually get used up, and is not truly repeatable.

Second Life? lol- I have a real life thank you and GW2 is a game to me not my life or a job.
I am a grown-up and I don’t expect to be entertained while I sit passively by and be spoon fed.
So I like to create my own goals.
I am sorry you don’t like what I do with my game time but I am enjoying myself while you clearly are not.
My suggestion to the OP stands-
If you like creating your own goals- this game is perfect for it.
It is an incredibly rich virtual world with so many cool things hidden away if you just look.

What a snarky response lol… Kindly remove the undertone from your posts to me, which seem to be generated by your dislike of the fact I questioned your subjective opinion because it failed to offer up where the game enables sandbox style gameplay outside of “If you use your imagination” esque answers. I wasn’t personally attacking you but clearly that’s where you’re going to go with any disagreements…
here’s a bit of an exaggerated but similar response

“the 50 dollar cardboard box is amazing value if you’ve a good imagination, I think it’s a great buy and don’t like sitting around waiting for buyers remorse to kick in, you just have to BELIEVE it was worth 50 bucks and it WILL BE. And to those that don’t agree… you’re clearly just attacking me, get a life!”

Your way of bypassing the games inherent flaws and shortcomings is fine, but they can’t be honestly used as an excuse to defend them or deny their existance, it’s apples and oranges.

You, on the other hand, will complain and be miserable. If that’s grasping at straws, I’ll happily take it.

I’m not miserable, I’m disappointed.

disappointed by the fact that the game is good and like you said has the potential to be amazing, but is held back by obviously BAD ideas and directions that they initially seemed so against. I am after all this time on the forums having constantly tried to re-ignite any sort of respect for this game, unimpressed by the defense of the game by players who seem to think their low standards and expectations are the standard for “realistic” and who ignore the fact changes made have often totally ignored real flaws.

Lion’s Arch, near storage or TP, /dance, AFK. End game.

Hellkaiser.6025:

I’m not miserable, I’m disappointed.

disappointed by the fact that the game is good and like you said has the potential to be amazing, but is held back by obviously BAD ideas and directions that they initially seemed so against. I am after all this time on the forums having constantly tried to re-ignite any sort of respect for this game, unimpressed by the defense of the game by players who seem to think their low standards and expectations are the standard for “realistic” and who ignore the fact changes made have often totally ignored real flaws.

Bad ideas and directions in your opinion, which is worth as much as anyone else’s. These aren’t objectively bad decisions, they’re subjectively bad. Some people like some of the decisions you’ve questioned I’m sure.

I’m not defending the game designers, because I don’t have to. Two years from now, you’ll be waiting for a decent MMO and this one will be thriving and I’ll probably still be playing it.

I love how everyone on a forum knows about about game design than game designers. You should start your own company and make your own game. I’ll just keep playing this one.

Vayne.8563:

Hellkaiser.6025:

I’m not miserable, I’m disappointed.

disappointed by the fact that the game is good and like you said has the potential to be amazing, but is held back by obviously BAD ideas and directions that they initially seemed so against. I am after all this time on the forums having constantly tried to re-ignite any sort of respect for this game, unimpressed by the defense of the game by players who seem to think their low standards and expectations are the standard for “realistic” and who ignore the fact changes made have often totally ignored real flaws.

Bad ideas and directions in your opinion, which is worth as much as anyone else’s. These aren’t objectively bad decisions, they’re subjectively bad. Some people like some of the decisions you’ve questioned I’m sure.

I’m not defending the game designers, because I don’t have to. Two years from now, you’ll be waiting for a decent MMO and this one will be thriving and I’ll probably still be playing it.

I love how everyone on a forum knows about about game design than game designers. You should start your own company and make your own game. I’ll just keep playing this one.

It’s not my job to make a game, it’s not my chosen profession, I do have years of gaming experience to know that there are a few aspects to this game that can be strongly argued to be complete and utter garbage. This game shares aspects with some of the most notoriously BAD mmo games, many of which limp along abusing their playerbase. I’m not saying GW2 is as bad as some make it out to be, but there’s a lot of bad tissue that if cut out, would go a long way towards helping this game.
But hey, I don’t have their super secret data (A-Net) so I can’t tell if this game is in rapid decline any more than you can claim it’s thriving, I can only go on the assumption that something is amiss given that every time I logged in to do something in game most folks are sitting around LA on “full” servers not even bothered to do anything but talk complete nonsense and troll others… and whilst I fully expected a decline in players after pre-release and initial release, the actual decline has been SHOCKING. A development that had me concerned, which then led me to look closely at game aspects and question them. I would probably be less inclined to be so negative, if the defense wasn’t just “it’s all in your head, take your tin-foil hat off” or “it’s all subjective, which essentially resets any and all points to just, negating them”

Vayne.8563:

Hellkaiser.6025:

I’m not miserable, I’m disappointed.

disappointed by the fact that the game is good and like you said has the potential to be amazing, but is held back by obviously BAD ideas and directions that they initially seemed so against. I am after all this time on the forums having constantly tried to re-ignite any sort of respect for this game, unimpressed by the defense of the game by players who seem to think their low standards and expectations are the standard for “realistic” and who ignore the fact changes made have often totally ignored real flaws.

Bad ideas and directions in your opinion, which is worth as much as anyone else’s. These aren’t objectively bad decisions, they’re subjectively bad. Some people like some of the decisions you’ve questioned I’m sure.

I’m not defending the game designers, because I don’t have to. Two years from now, you’ll be waiting for a decent MMO and this one will be thriving and I’ll probably still be playing it.

I love how everyone on a forum knows about about game design than game designers. You should start your own company and make your own game. I’ll just keep playing this one.

Am I missing something? He never said the game wasn’t decent, he is saying that it’s disappointing the game designers have made questionable decisions, bad decisions or good decisions is completely personal opinions, but they’re still questionable however way you look at it.

Read what people say before you comment next time.

There is no endgame. This game was made for people that don’t like traditional mmo with challenges. You should log in for few hours per week. If you did same mistake like me and expected something more, am sorry for you.

Vayne.8563:

I don’t know, I like going for achievements. There are plenty of them. It’s fun. It’s like a giant scavenger hunt.

Or, get this, make another character, turn off your map markers and try to complete zones with no zone completion icons on your map. That’s fun too. And HARD. lol

You can turn off map markers?

Where and can I pick and choose which ones to turn off?

bluewanders.5297:

I like the endgame in GW2 very much… because they give me the freedom to make my own and use the entire game world to do it.

In other words… they want you to play your way… not lead you around by the nose.

This was true once, and it may be true eventually, if we’re lucky, but currently is not the case.

Astralporing.1957:

bluewanders.5297:

I like the endgame in GW2 very much… because they give me the freedom to make my own and use the entire game world to do it.

In other words… they want you to play your way… not lead you around by the nose.

This was true once, and it may be true eventually, if we’re lucky, but currently is not the case.

By whose definition is it not the case? I feel like I’m not forced into anything.
It’s not like any of the new mechanics have limited what we were able to do previously.

What was true once is still true, there’s just more things to do.

Mackdose.6504:

Astralporing.1957:

bluewanders.5297:

I like the endgame in GW2 very much… because they give me the freedom to make my own and use the entire game world to do it.

In other words… they want you to play your way… not lead you around by the nose.

This was true once, and it may be true eventually, if we’re lucky, but currently is not the case.

By whose definition is it not the case? I feel like I’m not forced into anything.
It’s not like any of the new mechanics have limited what we were able to do previously.

What was true once is still true, there’s just more things to do.

Playerbase: We think Y would be a better option than Z, It’s worked out amazingly well in other games and there’s no reason to use the archaic Z method or the highly annoying X method that’s used in some of the less respected games.

A-Net: Here’s X, with a dash of Z. Why are we giving you what you don’t want?
Cos….that’s the why…

Just keep doing what you were doing for fun. They said the game wouldn’t change when you got to 80, it doesn’t.

I hate games that drastically change at some arbitrary level.

Mackdose.6504:

Astralporing.1957:

bluewanders.5297:

I like the endgame in GW2 very much… because they give me the freedom to make my own and use the entire game world to do it.

In other words… they want you to play your way… not lead you around by the nose.

This was true once, and it may be true eventually, if we’re lucky, but currently is not the case.

By whose definition is it not the case? I feel like I’m not forced into anything.
It’s not like any of the new mechanics have limited what we were able to do previously.

This is true with any endgame – it never prevents people from not playing it if they don’t want it.
Doesn’t change the fact that currently the former “whole game is endgame” was changed to “getting ascended is the endgame”.
The endgame in GW2 exists now, and is based completely upon acquisition of gear.
The freedom of choosing your own playing style is gone. No one is of course forcing you to do anything, but the fact that devs consider it to be the endgame is obvious.

Also, the new mechanics did limit one thing you were able to do previously – it limited severely your ability to get BiS equipment (and limited it even more if you want to get an eq for a specific build).

Edit:

I think it would be more helpful for people to comment on what exactly they consider “endgame”

If its the old raid that you do once a week to get gear so you can run the raid again, and again to get more gear to run the same raid again, until a new raid is released and the process begins anew, then no that’s not in the game (thankfully)

…Fractals?

I think it would be more helpful for people to comment on what exactly they consider “endgame”

If its the old raid that you do once a week to get gear so you can run the raid again, and again to get more gear to run the same raid again, until a new raid is released and the process begins anew, then no that’s not in the game (thankfully)

Astralporing.1957:

Mackdose.6504:

Astralporing.1957:

bluewanders.5297:

I like the endgame in GW2 very much… because they give me the freedom to make my own and use the entire game world to do it.

In other words… they want you to play your way… not lead you around by the nose.

This was true once, and it may be true eventually, if we’re lucky, but currently is not the case.

By whose definition is it not the case? I feel like I’m not forced into anything.
It’s not like any of the new mechanics have limited what we were able to do previously.

This is true with any endgame – it never prevents people from not playing it if they don’t want it.
Doesn’t change the fact that currently the former “whole game is endgame” was changed to “getting ascended is the endgame”.
The endgame in GW2 exists now, and is based completely upon acquisition of gear.
The freedom of choosing your own playing style is gone. No one is of course forcing you to do anything, but the fact that devs consider it to be the endgame is obvious.

Also, the new mechanics did limit one thing you were able to do previously – it limited severely your ability to get BiS equipment (and limited it even more if you want to get an eq for a specific build).

Edit:

I think it would be more helpful for people to comment on what exactly they consider “endgame”

If its the old raid that you do once a week to get gear so you can run the raid again, and again to get more gear to run the same raid again, until a new raid is released and the process begins anew, then no that’s not in the game (thankfully)

…Fractals?

If getting BiS gear is your version of end game, and you think that your gameplay is limited without it, we’re playing completely different games.