Guild Wars 2

I like how the forums are simple, organized and you can watch youtube vids without having to go into a different tab on the iPad. Anyone else think so?

Any post worth its salt usually vanishes into the 4th dimension. So mysterious.

Well we’ll see if my post gets sent to the 4th dimension soon. I mean seriously, there’s so many little and big bugs in this game that sometimes I don’t understand how game devleopers work. Sure, some little bugs like typos and missing runes or merchants selling wrong items isn’t game breaking and shouldn’t be in priority. But is it THAT hard to fit in a typo fix for an item like “quality maintenance oil” to say precision instead of power, like all of its other tier oils over half a year into the game. I’m sure it doesn’t require huge programming, most likely as simple as fixing a typo in microsoft word.

This forum really needs an off topic section. I’m surprised it doesn’t have one already.

Technically, and in terms of design, these are really pretty nice forums. And, honestly, I’m surprised by just how much the devs interact on them.

If I was a dev, I know I’d be sick of the constant griping that occurs here. I think they actually do a pretty good job of addressing, realistically, what they can, while keeping the community abreast of what’s on the to-do list. In a way, I think that spoils us a little.

Compared to some developers and games, the ANet team is quite transparent and open-eared.

Of course, there will always be stuff for us to complain about. We’re consumers – that’s what we do!

Forums are comprised in large by people who no longer play, like to qq, and not a direct representation of the game itself. That being said, the forums are nice in that not every MMO forum has replies daily by lead designers and devs. Some, for instance AION is comprised entirely of very few responses by CC’s and CM’s who get their information from a guy, who gets his information from a guy, who knows a guy, who met a guy, who had tea with a girl who works with a guy, who is the janitor at the building where the dev works, and he thinks he heard what they said on friday, last month.

The forums are pretty helpful minus the hate, just don’t let them dictate how you perceive this game, its company, or its players. For fun stuff, to see events we had like Anet hosted or player hosted you can look through forums. Be very careful in this section, as it is mostly comprised of angry people who argue about random issues, then derail the topic into something Seinfeld worthy.

Honestly these forums are very limited to others i’ve used..

And the living in fear of moderators and infractions for speaking your mind doesn’t help much in my opinion..

Dante.1508:

Honestly these forums are very limited to others i’ve used..

And the living in fear of moderators and infractions for speaking your mind doesn’t help much in my opinion..

Exactly why I barely or ever see trolls here or RMT posts or tons of degrading posts. I feel they do a good job at keeping those types at bay.

Geotherma.2395:

Dante.1508:

Honestly these forums are very limited to others i’ve used..

And the living in fear of moderators and infractions for speaking your mind doesn’t help much in my opinion..

Exactly why I barely or ever see trolls here or RMT posts or tons of degrading posts. I feel they do a good job at keeping those types at bay.

Sweeping peoples opinions under the proverbial rug is not the way to conduct a forum.
If people are upset or have concerns they should be able to voice them, that is what forums are for…constantly deleting and infracting leaves a bitter taste for any intelligent forum user, or it should, even if you disagree with what is being said, everyone should be extremely concerned at the censorship on these forums.

As to the negative posts…it has been shown and proved many times that this is directly proportionate to the general feeling of the player base……happy players = generally happy atmosphere all around….unhappy players = negative feedback, generally speaking of course.

This is directly affected by those in charge…devs, GM’s and forum moderators……..a famous quote….“attitude reflects leadership, captain”.

Robbyx.1284:

Geotherma.2395:

Dante.1508:

Honestly these forums are very limited to others i’ve used..

And the living in fear of moderators and infractions for speaking your mind doesn’t help much in my opinion..

Exactly why I barely or ever see trolls here or RMT posts or tons of degrading posts. I feel they do a good job at keeping those types at bay.

Sweeping peoples opinions under the proverbial rug is not the way to conduct a forum.
If people are upset or have concerns they should be able to voice them, that is what forums are for…constantly deleting and infracting leaves a bitter taste for any intelligent forum user, or it should, even if you disagree with what is being said, everyone should be extremely concerned at the censorship on these forums.

As to the negative posts…it has been shown and proved many times that this is directly proportionate to the general feeling of the player base……happy players = generally happy atmosphere all around….unhappy players = negative feedback, generally speaking of course.

This is directly affected by those in charge…devs, GM’s and forum moderators……..a famous quote….“attitude reflects leadership, captain”.

Unhappy players can be anyone from a 12 year old in a basement who was spoiled their entire life, to a 45 year old medical doctor. This is in no way the opinions of everyone “in” game. I might direct such inquiries to Aion forums, WoW forums, to truly see how much the forums represent the player base. I’m in game around 12 hours a day, and although i can only speak for my server, I will say the overall atmosphere in no way is similar to the forums. infractions are to root out those posts/people who neglect to read forum rules, abide by the ethics code, or simply have no constructive information to relay to players.

There are plenty of posts that degrade Arenanet, Guild Wars 2, the employees directly, and other players still on these forums unlocked. This proves that there is an ability to voice concerns where “some” kind of constructiveness is applied to the post/thread. If people cannot abide by the rules, the TOS, the forum guidelines, and the overall ethical responsibilities as a human being, then they have no place on these forums.

As for the infractions I can personally admit that i was permanently banned from these forums due to a mistake in posting the same post on 3 forums. It was my first mistake and was done quickly thinking those 3 areas of the forum were relevant. The threads were moved, then deleted, then infracted upon my account to cause a permanent ban in under 10 minutes. I explained the situation to the moderators and it was resolved, and I had learned the limits of cross-posting. Obviously I can use forums now, and I hold no grudge against Arenanet for doing their due diligence. It takes tact and intelligence to work with others not just in a business atmosphere but a social one. Without both in hand, there is nothing being brought to the discussion.

I find the forums here pretty friendly compared to some (good lord, the Bioware forums post ME3…) Anyway, pretty easy to find the good threads. “New build for Engineer, what do you guys think?” vs. “Why is this game so terrible for unspecified reasons?” If you click on the latter, hey, you’ve only yourself to blame.

Geotherma.2395:

Robbyx.1284:

Geotherma.2395:

Dante.1508:

Honestly these forums are very limited to others i’ve used..

And the living in fear of moderators and infractions for speaking your mind doesn’t help much in my opinion..

Exactly why I barely or ever see trolls here or RMT posts or tons of degrading posts. I feel they do a good job at keeping those types at bay.

Sweeping peoples opinions under the proverbial rug is not the way to conduct a forum.
If people are upset or have concerns they should be able to voice them, that is what forums are for…constantly deleting and infracting leaves a bitter taste for any intelligent forum user, or it should, even if you disagree with what is being said, everyone should be extremely concerned at the censorship on these forums.

As to the negative posts…it has been shown and proved many times that this is directly proportionate to the general feeling of the player base……happy players = generally happy atmosphere all around….unhappy players = negative feedback, generally speaking of course.

This is directly affected by those in charge…devs, GM’s and forum moderators……..a famous quote….“attitude reflects leadership, captain”.

‘snip’

A lead developer of one of the most popular MMO’s once responded to me in a private chat after i got very upset and let go with a few swear words, which was my fault and i did regret it as soon as i hit post…but his comment to me was very understanding and very “enlightened” and have always stuck with me, i will tell you what he said to the best of my recollection.

" the cursing is NOT ok, what is ok with me is the rage and the so called “whining”, without it we would have no direct feedback from players, it is free feedback, negative or positive any developer worth his salt still regards it as positive feedback.

This gives us direction and lets us know in no uncertain terms what needs to be fixed and what we need to look at it terms of game play, even in the most abrasive of rage posts there is nuggets of information, if players are so angry at some aspect of the game, then we need to look at it…the game is here for the players, not the other way around, contrary to popular belief.

What we dont need is sycophantic “yes men” who constantly tell us “everything is ok”…that does nothing for us…so please rage if you feel the need, but please do so without the (admittedly impressive) string of obscenities, and know that we do listen".

I did have this quote saved on my computer for a long time, until my hard drive got fried….and i still pay for this game even though i rarely play it, that kind of understanding and attitude towards gamers deserves support in my opinion.

I’ve been more entertained by the forums at times, I must admit.

These are by far some of the worst forums ive ever seen, due to censorship. I realize forums need to be moderated but there is a line between needed moderation and nazi dictatorship style moderation, and these forums fall into the latter.

Perhaps its because i spend alot of time here during the night because im infront of a comp with not much to do so i noticed the threads when they are posted and then 10 min later poof gone and most users just dont notice this happening on a regular basis but just because most dont notice doesnt mean it isnt happening.

Im sure most of you saw one of the 5-6 threads that were posted over the past few days about the user trying to find a not dead server to transfer to, none of which contained anything against the rules yet all were locked for no reason. When simple things like trying to find a populated server to play on is being locked then you have a serious issue with moderation. I realize you dont want people knowing your servers are dead because people are leaving the game in large numbers, but the answer to this is fixing the game and fix the reasons that you are lossing players not brushing it under the rug and hoping no one notices.

There are enough bugs and issues with this game that you are going to have negative posts, thats just the way forums work, brushing them all under the rug is not the solution.

Also, calling us all tinfoil hat x-files conspiracy theorists was a VERY POOR AND OUTRIGHT RUDE was to handle that loot situation, especially considering WE WERE RIGHT THE WHOLE TIME.

This is why i view these forums as a joke and only post serious threads about gw2 at other non-anet controlled MMO forums where you are actually allowed to talk about the whole game and not just the good aspects.

The sad thing is all excessive moderation does is turn the forums into a bunch of yes men white knight posters which offer no feedback to the devs and if anything actually hurt the further development of the game, but hey if anet wants a forums full of white knights they are off to a good start.

Rifter.6591:

These are by far some of the worst forums ive ever seen, due to censorship. I realize forums need to be moderated but there is a line between needed moderation and nazi dictatorship style moderation, and these forums fall into the latter.

Perhaps its because i spend alot of time here during the night because im infront of a comp with not much to do so i noticed the threads when they are posted and then 10 min later poof gone and most users just dont notice this happening on a regular basis but just because most dont notice doesnt mean it isnt happening.

Im sure most of you saw one of the 5-6 threads that were posted over the past few days about the user trying to find a not dead server to transfer to, none of which contained anything against the rules yet all were locked for no reason. When simple things like trying to find a populated server to play on is being locked then you have a serious issue with moderation. I realize you dont want people knowing your servers are dead because people are leaving the game in large numbers, but the answer to this is fixing the game and fix the reasons that you are lossing players not brushing it under the rug and hoping no one notices.

There are enough bugs and issues with this game that you are going to have negative posts, thats just the way forums work, brushing them all under the rug is not the solution.

Also, calling us all tinfoil hat x-files conspiracy theorists was a VERY POOR AND OUTRIGHT RUDE was to handle that loot situation, especially considering WE WERE RIGHT THE WHOLE TIME.

This is why i view these forums as a joke and only post serious threads about gw2 at other non-anet controlled MMO forums where you are actually allowed to talk about the whole game and not just the good aspects.

The sad thing is all excessive moderation does is turn the forums into a bunch of yes men white knight posters which offer no feedback to the devs and if anything actually hurt the further development of the game, but hey if anet wants a forums full of white knights they are off to a good start.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/players/Eu-active-server

Server query.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/The-Future-of-GW2-Loot-Population-etc/first

Complaints about virtually every aspect of the game. Uncensored.

As for the comment which I did not take as a personal attack on my intelligence:

When things get so absurd and so stupid and so ridiculous that you just can’t bear it, you cannot help but turn everything into a joke.
~David Byrne

Geotherma.2395:

Rifter.6591:

These are by far some of the worst forums ive ever seen, due to censorship. I realize forums need to be moderated but there is a line between needed moderation and nazi dictatorship style moderation, and these forums fall into the latter.

Perhaps its because i spend alot of time here during the night because im infront of a comp with not much to do so i noticed the threads when they are posted and then 10 min later poof gone and most users just dont notice this happening on a regular basis but just because most dont notice doesnt mean it isnt happening.

Im sure most of you saw one of the 5-6 threads that were posted over the past few days about the user trying to find a not dead server to transfer to, none of which contained anything against the rules yet all were locked for no reason. When simple things like trying to find a populated server to play on is being locked then you have a serious issue with moderation. I realize you dont want people knowing your servers are dead because people are leaving the game in large numbers, but the answer to this is fixing the game and fix the reasons that you are lossing players not brushing it under the rug and hoping no one notices.

There are enough bugs and issues with this game that you are going to have negative posts, thats just the way forums work, brushing them all under the rug is not the solution.

Also, calling us all tinfoil hat x-files conspiracy theorists was a VERY POOR AND OUTRIGHT RUDE was to handle that loot situation, especially considering WE WERE RIGHT THE WHOLE TIME.

This is why i view these forums as a joke and only post serious threads about gw2 at other non-anet controlled MMO forums where you are actually allowed to talk about the whole game and not just the good aspects.

The sad thing is all excessive moderation does is turn the forums into a bunch of yes men white knight posters which offer no feedback to the devs and if anything actually hurt the further development of the game, but hey if anet wants a forums full of white knights they are off to a good start.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/players/Eu-active-server

Server query.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/The-Future-of-GW2-Loot-Population-etc/first

Complaints about virtually every aspect of the game. Uncensored.

As for the comment which I did not take as a personal attack on my intelligence:

When things get so absurd and so stupid and so ridiculous that you just can’t bear it, you cannot help but turn everything into a joke.
~David Byrne

I was referring to this user

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Can-some-one-explain/first#post1460179

Of which i did see the first few threads and none of which broke the posted rules.

And thats far from the first post locked which broke no known posted rules, you just have to camp on the main page and refresh every 5 min to catch most of them before they dissapear.

Rifter.6591:

Geotherma.2395:

Rifter.6591:

These are by far some of the worst forums ive ever seen, due to censorship. I realize forums need to be moderated but there is a line between needed moderation and nazi dictatorship style moderation, and these forums fall into the latter.

Perhaps its because i spend alot of time here during the night because im infront of a comp with not much to do so i noticed the threads when they are posted and then 10 min later poof gone and most users just dont notice this happening on a regular basis but just because most dont notice doesnt mean it isnt happening.

Im sure most of you saw one of the 5-6 threads that were posted over the past few days about the user trying to find a not dead server to transfer to, none of which contained anything against the rules yet all were locked for no reason. When simple things like trying to find a populated server to play on is being locked then you have a serious issue with moderation. I realize you dont want people knowing your servers are dead because people are leaving the game in large numbers, but the answer to this is fixing the game and fix the reasons that you are lossing players not brushing it under the rug and hoping no one notices.

There are enough bugs and issues with this game that you are going to have negative posts, thats just the way forums work, brushing them all under the rug is not the solution.

Also, calling us all tinfoil hat x-files conspiracy theorists was a VERY POOR AND OUTRIGHT RUDE was to handle that loot situation, especially considering WE WERE RIGHT THE WHOLE TIME.

This is why i view these forums as a joke and only post serious threads about gw2 at other non-anet controlled MMO forums where you are actually allowed to talk about the whole game and not just the good aspects.

The sad thing is all excessive moderation does is turn the forums into a bunch of yes men white knight posters which offer no feedback to the devs and if anything actually hurt the further development of the game, but hey if anet wants a forums full of white knights they are off to a good start.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/players/Eu-active-server

Server query.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/The-Future-of-GW2-Loot-Population-etc/first

Complaints about virtually every aspect of the game. Uncensored.

As for the comment which I did not take as a personal attack on my intelligence:

When things get so absurd and so stupid and so ridiculous that you just can’t bear it, you cannot help but turn everything into a joke.
~David Byrne

I was referring to this user

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Can-some-one-explain/first#post1460179

Of which i did see the first few threads and none of which broke the posted rules.

And thats far from the first post locked which broke no known posted rules, you just have to camp on the main page and refresh every 5 min to catch most of them before they dissapear.

But the key point is that you are allowed to appeal. Which in most cases on the net is not possible. A simple print-screen button press and an email could resolve any issue, or simply doing as they stated and emailing an appeal. Things are done democratically, and give chances to appeal any decision made on your account or post. Whereas in other MMO’s I’ve played depending on the severity of what you have done you are banned, no warning, no goodbye, no appeals, just done. If this user wanted they could have pressed print screen and posted it to other websites to share what they feel was wrong. If it is evident that this is happening to many people acrossed the board surely Arenanet would have to acknowledge it. But posting the removed post again is only further breaking the tos on these forums. When most of us know that any action taken by admins or mods are discussed between the player and the person, not between the player and the forums.

Geotherma.2395:

Rifter.6591:

Geotherma.2395:

Rifter.6591:

These are by far some of the worst forums ive ever seen, due to censorship. I realize forums need to be moderated but there is a line between needed moderation and nazi dictatorship style moderation, and these forums fall into the latter.

Perhaps its because i spend alot of time here during the night because im infront of a comp with not much to do so i noticed the threads when they are posted and then 10 min later poof gone and most users just dont notice this happening on a regular basis but just because most dont notice doesnt mean it isnt happening.

Im sure most of you saw one of the 5-6 threads that were posted over the past few days about the user trying to find a not dead server to transfer to, none of which contained anything against the rules yet all were locked for no reason. When simple things like trying to find a populated server to play on is being locked then you have a serious issue with moderation. I realize you dont want people knowing your servers are dead because people are leaving the game in large numbers, but the answer to this is fixing the game and fix the reasons that you are lossing players not brushing it under the rug and hoping no one notices.

There are enough bugs and issues with this game that you are going to have negative posts, thats just the way forums work, brushing them all under the rug is not the solution.

Also, calling us all tinfoil hat x-files conspiracy theorists was a VERY POOR AND OUTRIGHT RUDE was to handle that loot situation, especially considering WE WERE RIGHT THE WHOLE TIME.

This is why i view these forums as a joke and only post serious threads about gw2 at other non-anet controlled MMO forums where you are actually allowed to talk about the whole game and not just the good aspects.

The sad thing is all excessive moderation does is turn the forums into a bunch of yes men white knight posters which offer no feedback to the devs and if anything actually hurt the further development of the game, but hey if anet wants a forums full of white knights they are off to a good start.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/players/Eu-active-server

Server query.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/The-Future-of-GW2-Loot-Population-etc/first

Complaints about virtually every aspect of the game. Uncensored.

As for the comment which I did not take as a personal attack on my intelligence:

When things get so absurd and so stupid and so ridiculous that you just can’t bear it, you cannot help but turn everything into a joke.
~David Byrne

I was referring to this user

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Can-some-one-explain/first#post1460179

Of which i did see the first few threads and none of which broke the posted rules.

And thats far from the first post locked which broke no known posted rules, you just have to camp on the main page and refresh every 5 min to catch most of them before they dissapear.

But the key point is that you are allowed to appeal. Which in most cases on the net is not possible. A simple print-screen button press and an email could resolve any issue, or simply doing as they stated and emailing an appeal. Things are done democratically, and give chances to appeal any decision made on your account or post. Whereas in other MMO’s I’ve played depending on the severity of what you have done you are banned, no warning, no goodbye, no appeals, just done.

You of course are assuming you actually do have a chance to appeal and that all e-mail going to that adress doesnt just get a autoreponse and filed in the delete folder.

Having never delt with anet forums appeals im not sure if thats the case or not, but i know of other devs in which that is exactly what happens and judging by the censorship going on here it wouldnt surprise me if that was the case here as well.

As you said alot of MMO’s dont offer appeals, wouldnt surprise me if anet was the same way just trying to save face by saying they do.

Either way the fact that the post got locked in the first place is the issue, not what happens after.

Rifter.6591:

Geotherma.2395:

Rifter.6591:

Geotherma.2395:

Rifter.6591:

These are by far some of the worst forums ive ever seen, due to censorship. I realize forums need to be moderated but there is a line between needed moderation and nazi dictatorship style moderation, and these forums fall into the latter.

Perhaps its because i spend alot of time here during the night because im infront of a comp with not much to do so i noticed the threads when they are posted and then 10 min later poof gone and most users just dont notice this happening on a regular basis but just because most dont notice doesnt mean it isnt happening.

Im sure most of you saw one of the 5-6 threads that were posted over the past few days about the user trying to find a not dead server to transfer to, none of which contained anything against the rules yet all were locked for no reason. When simple things like trying to find a populated server to play on is being locked then you have a serious issue with moderation. I realize you dont want people knowing your servers are dead because people are leaving the game in large numbers, but the answer to this is fixing the game and fix the reasons that you are lossing players not brushing it under the rug and hoping no one notices.

There are enough bugs and issues with this game that you are going to have negative posts, thats just the way forums work, brushing them all under the rug is not the solution.

Also, calling us all tinfoil hat x-files conspiracy theorists was a VERY POOR AND OUTRIGHT RUDE was to handle that loot situation, especially considering WE WERE RIGHT THE WHOLE TIME.

This is why i view these forums as a joke and only post serious threads about gw2 at other non-anet controlled MMO forums where you are actually allowed to talk about the whole game and not just the good aspects.

The sad thing is all excessive moderation does is turn the forums into a bunch of yes men white knight posters which offer no feedback to the devs and if anything actually hurt the further development of the game, but hey if anet wants a forums full of white knights they are off to a good start.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/players/Eu-active-server

Server query.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/The-Future-of-GW2-Loot-Population-etc/first

Complaints about virtually every aspect of the game. Uncensored.

As for the comment which I did not take as a personal attack on my intelligence:

When things get so absurd and so stupid and so ridiculous that you just can’t bear it, you cannot help but turn everything into a joke.
~David Byrne

I was referring to this user

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Can-some-one-explain/first#post1460179

Of which i did see the first few threads and none of which broke the posted rules.

And thats far from the first post locked which broke no known posted rules, you just have to camp on the main page and refresh every 5 min to catch most of them before they dissapear.

But the key point is that you are allowed to appeal. Which in most cases on the net is not possible. A simple print-screen button press and an email could resolve any issue, or simply doing as they stated and emailing an appeal. Things are done democratically, and give chances to appeal any decision made on your account or post. Whereas in other MMO’s I’ve played depending on the severity of what you have done you are banned, no warning, no goodbye, no appeals, just done.

You of course are assuming you actually do have a chance to appeal and that all e-mail going to that adress doesnt just get a autoreponse and filed in the delete folder.

Having never delt with anet forums appeals im not sure if thats the case or not, but i know of other devs in which that is exactly what happens and judging by the censorship going on here it wouldnt surprise me if that was the case here as well.

As you said alot of MMO’s dont offer appeals, wouldnt surprise me if anet was the same way just trying to save face by saying they do.

Either way the fact that the post got locked in the first place is the issue, not what happens after.

“Your infraction was changed from a warning with 0 points to 3 points. Infraction points may cause loss of privileges, including forum suspension.
You have been permanently banned from the forums.
This is an automated message generated by an infraction given by a human moderator. If you believe you have received this infraction in error or wish to make an appeal, please send an e-mail to forums@arena.net.”

I sent an email, 6 hours later I was back on forums over a small misunderstanding. I took it with a grain of salt, we all make mistakes. After all we are only human.

jwburks.9735:

Any post worth its salt usually vanishes into the 4th dimension. So mysterious.

Or is so mysterious to them that they call it perceived an xfiles experiment or act like they just now heard about it 5 months later. :/

Geotherma.2395:

“Your infraction was changed from a warning with 0 points to 3 points. Infraction points may cause loss of privileges, including forum suspension.
You have been permanently banned from the forums.
This is an automated message generated by an infraction given by a human moderator. If you believe you have received this infraction in error or wish to make an appeal, please send an e-mail to forums@arena.net.”

I sent an email, 6 hours later I was back on forums over a small misunderstanding. I took it with a grain of salt, we all make mistakes. After all we are only human.

It is indeed good to know that the appeal system actually gets to humans, thats a good sign.

tigirius.9014:

jwburks.9735:

Any post worth its salt usually vanishes into the 4th dimension. So mysterious.

Or is so mysterious to them that they call it perceived an xfiles experiment or act like they just now heard about it 5 months later. :/

yeah that particular issue and how it was handled in a very un-professional way i think left a bad taste in alot of people mouths.

Pretty much any way to handle that situation would have been better than what they said, hell they could have denied the whole thing and said it was working as intended and they found no issues(which they did say and should have left it at that minus the insults) and that would have been worlds better than calling your playerbase paranoid conspiracy theorists.

“After reading reports in this thread, we spent more time investigating our rewards system. As I mentioned a few weeks ago, we verified that all loot tables are indeed working correctly in the game.”

“Since then, we continued receiving reports that there seemed to be an issue, so we extended our search to all systems that created opportunities for you to get items from loot tables. Here we found an issue that we were able to verify was consistent across everyone who reported problems:
The rules by which you qualify for credit for an event or for experience when killing a mob are different rules than those used to help determine if you qualify for loot. Some of these were set up to be unintentionally restrictive, and as such you could kill a creature with a lot of health (this was most noticeable on champions) and not qualify for loot, despite qualifying for all other credit.”

So really they did say that they hadn’t changed anything, but there is an internal issue that they are working on fixing. People were mostly making outlandish claims that arenanet nerfed drops and DR, as if a company would purposely try to lose all credibility and large sums of money. This I think is why their comment was made. Again, perhaps I take things less serious than others. I did contribute to that thread with over an hour of HD footage and several pics to help see the issue. But at the same time I had patience and didn’t resort to what some players have and become rude and callous towards the members of the Arenanet team.

Geotherma.2395:

“After reading reports in this thread, we spent more time investigating our rewards system. As I mentioned a few weeks ago, we verified that all loot tables are indeed working correctly in the game.”

“Since then, we continued receiving reports that there seemed to be an issue, so we extended our search to all systems that created opportunities for you to get items from loot tables. Here we found an issue that we were able to verify was consistent across everyone who reported problems:
The rules by which you qualify for credit for an event or for experience when killing a mob are different rules than those used to help determine if you qualify for loot. Some of these were set up to be unintentionally restrictive, and as such you could kill a creature with a lot of health (this was most noticeable on champions) and not qualify for loot, despite qualifying for all other credit.”

So really they did say that they hadn’t changed anything, but there is an internal issue that they are working on fixing. People were mostly making outlandish claims that arenanet nerfed drops and DR, as if a company would purposely try to lose all credibility and large sums of money. This I think is why their comment was made. Again, perhaps I take things less serious than others. I did contribute to that thread with over an hour of HD footage and several pics to help see the issue. But at the same time I had patience and didn’t resort to what some players have and become rude and callous towards the members of the Arenanet team.

Oh i read that whole thread, took me a week but i did it. So im well aware that some posters were less than happy with anet and said so in many cases and were not nice about it. As anet is the devs though its there job to respond in a professional manner and not stoop down to the level of some people in that post and lower themselves to namecalling right along with some of the forum posters in that thread.

Also what you need to remember is most of those posters who lost it and made rude remarks did so knowing that they were right and after anet made the paranoid conspiracy theorist comments. So really anet brought most of those comments on themselves by both not doing there job to look into the issue well enough to find the issue and by going down to the level of namecalling. I think there would have been alot less blowback directed at anet had they been more professional in the handling of that situation.

Rifter.6591:

Geotherma.2395:

“After reading reports in this thread, we spent more time investigating our rewards system. As I mentioned a few weeks ago, we verified that all loot tables are indeed working correctly in the game.”

“Since then, we continued receiving reports that there seemed to be an issue, so we extended our search to all systems that created opportunities for you to get items from loot tables. Here we found an issue that we were able to verify was consistent across everyone who reported problems:
The rules by which you qualify for credit for an event or for experience when killing a mob are different rules than those used to help determine if you qualify for loot. Some of these were set up to be unintentionally restrictive, and as such you could kill a creature with a lot of health (this was most noticeable on champions) and not qualify for loot, despite qualifying for all other credit.”

So really they did say that they hadn’t changed anything, but there is an internal issue that they are working on fixing. People were mostly making outlandish claims that arenanet nerfed drops and DR, as if a company would purposely try to lose all credibility and large sums of money. This I think is why their comment was made. Again, perhaps I take things less serious than others. I did contribute to that thread with over an hour of HD footage and several pics to help see the issue. But at the same time I had patience and didn’t resort to what some players have and become rude and callous towards the members of the Arenanet team.

Oh i read that whole thread, took me a week but i did it. So im well aware that some posters were less than happy with anet and said so in many cases and were not nice about it. As anet is the devs though its there job to respond in a professional manner and not stoop down to the level of some people in that post and lower themselves to namecalling right along with some of the forum posters in that thread.

Also what you need to remember is most of those posters who lost it and made rude remarks did so knowing that they were right and after anet made the paranoid conspiracy theorist comments. So really anet brought most of those comments on themselves by both not doing there job to look into the issue well enough to find the issue and by going down to the level of namecalling. I think there would have been alot less blowback directed at anet had they been more professional in the handling of that situation.

Perhaps they could have responded differently, maybe even they thought it wouldn’t be taken as a direct insult to players. I mean hes been working in this field for 16 years or so, that’s technically still young. And perhaps even Colin himself is still pretty young for what he does in his line of work. You don’t become an international PR expert over night of course, but maybe that youth isn’t entirely bad. Being somewhat young may help him identify with his players and his customers. This will help him and the staff of arenanet shape a game that should be polished in a decent amount of time. Whether or not he did the right thing, we can all admit at least in our minds even in a business world when we see people flaming or with such aggression and hate that we have plenty of not so nice things we would love to say. We simply filter those out into a constructive as possible reply without costing our jobs or reputation. I work on computers, but I don’t call the lady who has no power to the PC an idiot when she forgets to plug it in. But that doesn’t mean I don’t have some sly comments floating in my head :P We all learn in time to act with tact, to degrade a persons work, to insult people directly, is certainly asking for these people to return the favor. And I suppose this works both ways.