Guild Wars 2

I’m here today just because I’d really like to address something that I know 99% of all the readers will be sticklers or sympathizers. The 1% may just be dev’s or GM’s(if I’m so luckly) But I’d really like to start by addressing the buffs/nerfs that have been going around the last few weeks.

So to state simply why all this was compiled inside my brain, I was hacked and lost all of my gold. It was about 465g some of you may say “Pfft pocket change” but to me that was a lot… I opened a ticket a few weeks later and Anet couldn’t do anything because I took so long to report it(partially my fault I admit) but none the less this was very discouraging and disappointing. So I started farming, back to the grind as we would say, but nay nay says Anet. So I understand buffing an event or four because they’re too easy but over the last few weeks not have I only seen events become almost three times harder but I have seen that they are also dropping less and less valuable items. So how did this make me feel? Well your reading this so you obviously want to know, It kitten me offfffffffffffffffff. Farming has become even more of a tedious and uneventful aspect of the MMO game experience with these changes.

Next, the nerfing of popular dungeon’s loot, I don’t know if zorromos paid Anet off but c’mon! My farm group is getting less and less loot from these dungeons we used to rely on for currency all the while I see top end T6 mat prices going back up?!?! why? because nerfing loot drops = higher demand which = higher supply pricing.

Now to get to the topic of all this, Anet. We are sooooo happy you made GW2 and made it F2P at that! BUT! you’re pushing people even harder towards the gem market. I have gotten to the point where I feel I almost NEED to buy gems in order to get back on my feet after being hacked. Which I don’t have 200 dollars to get 16k gems so I can be back at my 465g… We know you need money to survive in this world but how far is your cash grab reach going to go?

Maybe this is just me? but honestly I see where they’re going with this. This needs to change, We use cash markets for exclusive items and rewards/boosts not as a necessity. Anet, please if you think this will push people towards your gem market please remember if you deter people too much into your what is beginning to look like greedy palms they will go to 3rd party vendors. We all know you can never truly destroy a 3rd party vendor. I’m not saying I’m going to buy gold from some shady kitten website but others will. I’ve always believed in earning my gold through farming and hard work. Then again the past few weeks have yielded such low profit I just want to smash my face against my keyboard till f,c,u,k,d,e are all permanently embedded in my skin feel free to rearrange those as you see fit!

So I’ll say this in short to sum it all up, We know you like money, we love money too. We enjoy your game but you’re killing us with your push to your cash grab market. We know it’s a necessity and we already pump money into it like gas into a H2 hummer. So please ease off the throttle. Drive the hybrid for a bit and bring the RNG back to where it was or should be so people like me(which make up the majority of game players) can kill Grenth and Champion Wraiths…. and get something better than a Blue while wearing 185% MF….

Sincerely yours,
-Forge.

okay. The reason the game discourages you from farming is because you are NOT supposed to FARM in this game. Yes, you lost your money, that’s always sad, but because of that a game that discouraged farming will not suddenly change and allow farming.
Now about dungeons – I did not notice any change in dungeon loot. I think that you just have a bad case of RNG. I was never too lucky myself. I tend to get blues and some greens sometimes. Friends that I run with though get cores and yellows sometimes. It was always this way and wasn’t changed.
And I never needed to exchange gems for gold either. All gem store items that I wanted I got with gold.

I still don’t see why you feel forced to spend money to buy gems nor why you would need 465 or what’S the point of farming dungeons all day. To play GW2 you don’t need to do any of those things, just log in and do what you want. You don’t need gold or high tier crafting mats to enjoy dungeons, sPvP or WvW.
I had tons of gold once, way more than you had, I lent it out before I took a break just to realize that the people I lent it to no longer play the game after I came back. Yeah, first I though this would suck, but in fact it really doesn’t matter at all. Since I came back a couple of weeks ago I haven’t had more than 30g and the game is still fun.

Of course, if you want to get your legendary you might need some gold, but otherwise there is really no need to farm gold, T6 mats or anything else besides ascended gear.

Atrem.6528:

I’m here today just because I’d really like to address something that I know 99% of all the readers will be sticklers or sympathizers. The 1% may just be dev’s or GM’s(if I’m so luckly) But I’d really like to start by addressing the buffs/nerfs that have been going around the last few weeks.

So to state simply why all this was compiled inside my brain, I was hacked and lost all of my gold. It was about 465g some of you may say “Pfft pocket change” but to me that was a lot… I opened a ticket a few weeks later and Anet couldn’t do anything because I took so long to report it(partially my fault I admit) but none the less this was very discouraging and disappointing. So I started farming, back to the grind as we would say, but nay nay says Anet. So I understand buffing an event or four because they’re too easy but over the last few weeks not have I only seen events become almost three times harder but I have seen that they are also dropping less and less valuable items. So how did this make me feel? Well your reading this so you obviously want to know, It kitten me offfffffffffffffffff. Farming has become even more of a tedious and uneventful aspect of the MMO game experience with these changes.

Next, the nerfing of popular dungeon’s loot, I don’t know if zorromos paid Anet off but c’mon! My farm group is getting less and less loot from these dungeons we used to rely on for currency all the while I see top end T6 mat prices going back up?!?! why? because nerfing loot drops = higher demand which = higher supply pricing.

Now to get to the topic of all this, Anet. We are sooooo happy you made GW2 and made it F2P at that! BUT! you’re pushing people even harder towards the gem market. I have gotten to the point where I feel I almost NEED to buy gems in order to get back on my feet after being hacked. Which I don’t have 200 dollars to get 16k gems so I can be back at my 465g… We know you need money to survive in this world but how far is your cash grab reach going to go?

Maybe this is just me? but honestly I see where they’re going with this. This needs to change, We use cash markets for exclusive items and rewards/boosts not as a necessity. Anet, please if you think this will push people towards your gem market please remember if you deter people too much into your what is beginning to look like greedy palms they will go to 3rd party vendors. We all know you can never truly destroy a 3rd party vendor. I’m not saying I’m going to buy gold from some shady kitten website but others will. I’ve always believed in earning my gold through farming and hard work. Then again the past few weeks have yielded such low profit I just want to smash my face against my keyboard till f,c,u,k,d,e are all permanently embedded in my skin feel free to rearrange those as you see fit!

So I’ll say this in short to sum it all up, We know you like money, we love money too. We enjoy your game but you’re killing us with your push to your cash grab market. We know it’s a necessity and we already pump money into it like gas into a H2 hummer. So please ease off the throttle. Drive the hybrid for a bit and bring the RNG back to where it was or should be so people like me(which make up the majority of game players) can kill Grenth and Champion Wraiths…. and get something better than a Blue while wearing 185% MF….

Sincerely yours,
-Forge.

You should play games for fun and having over 400 gold shouldn’t be what makes it fun for you.

I think a lot of these reposts are just focusing on one aspect of the game, the fact is that A LOT of people farm so they can get their legendary. They already take the average player 3-4 months just to get but by reducing the rates of drops and increasing the difficulty of such events that were their place of revenue they’re making it even harder. Which for a legendary isn’t that bad in a lot of aspects but still I’m a person who plays for end game and having a legendary is a part of end game it’s how I enjoy the game. emphasis on the "I’ you say guild wars is you’re saying I don’t need gold and to just log in and do what I want but playing the market, making money and getting better gear are the reasons I play mmo’s they are reducing those outlets of currency in order to increase their gem market hence why they also added a 100 dollar option to the Gem purchasing part of the TP. There are more people like me than you think.

All I’m saying is that as a player who plays to get end game gear and experience the best parts with all the “shinies” that come with it they’re making it even more difficult if you don’t spend parts of your paycheck in order to do so. If anyone has any other real reliable tips or they would be 100% willing to show me the ins and outs of making 1k + in less than a month without using the gem store I’d love you for long time if you did show me but based off what I’ve read on dozens of forums as well as video guides rates have only gotten worse.

Also I’m not saying I want them to make GW2 into a game about farming I’m simply saying they’re over buffing parts that didn’t need it while reducing the drops across the board in those places they buffed the difficulty of. This isn’t just me my entire /map does nothing but talk about how they’re getting less and less loot. I used to make 20g+ a day and now I’m barely managing 8-12…

See. The main problem is even though Anet is changing the game, you guys are still stuck using the same methods, refuse to improvise, then blame Anet for your own incompetence.

If method A yields less than before.. use method B. If you can’t think of method B, then it really makes more sense to get a job, buy more gems and support Anet. It’s really more time efficient than any form of farming.

That’s really all I see. I LOVE blaming Anet. But blame them for something that’s indeed their shortcoming. Not your own.

Welcome to the Gem Store
why play the game(farm) while you can get everything in seconds.

I don’t know. Maybe it’s me, but I’m the kind of player where if I bought gems and sold them, I’d be cheating myself. I see it as something that is just a way for impatient people to get stuff the easy way. I’d have no enjoyment of a legendary weapon that I got through paying cash. I don’t get why people think that’s good or cool.

I’d rather NOT have a legendary than convert gems to gold to get it.

Third Eye.6718:

nachtnebel.9168:

I still don’t see why you feel forced to spend money to buy gems nor why you would need 465 or what’S the point of farming dungeons all day. To play GW2 you don’t need to do any of those things, just log in and do what you want. You don’t need gold or high tier crafting mats to enjoy dungeons, sPvP or WvW.

It is understandable & reasonable that people who have paid for a game expect to be able to experience that game in it’s entirety, which means being able to attain pretty skins/armors, unlimited mining picks, other vanity items etc. That sounds fair to me.

Atm though, with gem prices on the rise, we have a run away market. Meaning, you either continually invest serious time, you pay RL money, or you just accept that you will not be able to experience certain parts of the game, that is the market has limited enjoyment factor for certain people (especially newcomers).

please tell me what content is cut off from people not wealthy enough to convert gold to gems? Mining pick that you could have bought with karma? Vanity pets? Dance moves? Town clothing?

Uncle Salty.6342:

See. The main problem is even though Anet is changing the game, you guys are still stuck using the same methods, refuse to improvise, then blame Anet for your own incompetence.

If method A yields less than before.. use method B. If you can’t think of method B, then it really makes more sense to get a job, buy more gems and support Anet. It’s really more time efficient than any form of farming.

That’s really all I see. I LOVE blaming Anet. But blame them for something that’s indeed their shortcoming. Not your own.

This in it’s entirety seem’s incompetent in it’s own. Passively but publicly attacking me for posting something that is actually a problem is rather naive but since we’re going there why not go with the flow eh?

A change of methods… I get this, I’ve done this. I’m not stuck in one mode of doing things I have found new ways to make money but they are severely less profitable than the past ones. You speak as if I and other are afraid of change, we’re not we’re simply disappointed that Anet is not trying to control their gem market and instead are letting it get flooded and become more and more inflated.

I have no problem putting down 10, 25, 35, or even 50 dollars every once in a while to get some gems because I know I’m supporting a game I enjoy BUT when I feel like I NEED to put down 50, 100, or 200 dollars because my old form of in game revenue just got destroyed and I’m finding it hard to recover I get a little deterred from playing. So yes I feel that I’m in the right blaming Anet, I’ve done nothing wrong I’ve worked hard to find new streams of revenue and they’ve all come up short and in doing so they’re making it very hard for people to enjoy the more free-lance aspect of the game where you don’t have to farm dungeons all day instead you could go do 10 group events make some decent gold and call it good. Now you go do 20 come up short and hate that you wasted all that time, or get murdered by a Champion Wraith and just say F it and leave because that kitten hole just happened to interrupt your groove.

Atrem.6528:

I have no problem putting down 10, 25, 35, or even 50 dollars every once in a while to get some gems because I know I’m supporting a game I enjoy BUT when I feel like I NEED to put down 50, 100, or 200 dollars because my old form of in game revenue just got destroyed and I’m finding it hard to recover I get a little deterred from playing.

and you would be in your right to complain if the end game gear was only buyable with real life money. That’s not the case. You don’t have to pay them. Where are you rushing exactly? Just play the game normally and enjoy it.

Mirta.5029:

The reason the game discourages you from farming is because you are NOT supposed to FARM in this game.

loooooooooool

So you’re supposed to get all those ecto and T6 stacks (legendary, ascendeds, MF skins) by not farming? GL doing that.

Veldan.4637:

Mirta.5029:

The reason the game discourages you from farming is because you are NOT supposed to FARM in this game.

loooooooooool

So you’re supposed to get all those ecto and T6 stacks (legendary, ascendeds, MF skins) by not farming? GL doing that.

But that’s how I did it. I get ectos from just playing the game. I get karma from playing the game. I get mystic coins from playing the game. I get skill points from playing the game. Mystic coins are also cheap on the marketplace right now.

Then I play the mystic forge for clovers. I have far far more clovers than I need to make two legendary weapons but they also reward me, sometimes, with T6 mats. Doing this when I get ectos and enough coins have given me enough T6 mats to get my legendary. I tend to get more elaborate totems and powerful blood than other T6 mats, but I just sell those and buy the mats I need.

In the end, it took a look time, but it wasn’t impossible….and I didn’t farm to get them.

They aren’t pushing anyone to spend money on gems to gold for the simple reason that almost all of the content that can be purchased with gold alone is not very expensive to begin with. And those big ticket items, of which there are few, were meant to take a long time to obtain. Hence, the time gating through RNG and increased difficulty in events. In other words, not a mistake. Talking about what can be purchased through the trading post though, that’s another matter entirely. Playing the TP the way some people do is a crazy aspect of gold acquisition that really defeats time gating but still only benefits you by granting immediate access to a small pool of items that normal play would take you longer to acquire.

What’s really at issue is that the OP’s demographic, the end game farmer, is the reason there is A) ascended gear and Diminishing Returns. Anet realized quickly that a portion, not all, of the GW2 demographic will do anything in their power to reach their financial and cosmetic goals as quickly and efficiently as possible. Almost to the point of trivializing the content.

The more you ask Anet to lay off so you can reach your goal, the more they hit you with the nerf bat. If there is not enough content at the moment to keep you satisfied, gating you either through time (laurels) or RNG item acquisition is the only way you will consume content at a reasonable pace. Reasonable is likely defined as a medium between how quickly you think you should get something and how much Anet agrees with you on that. Judging by the DR nerfs, there is some disagreement.

Anet made your end game content decently difficult to achieve to give you a long term goal. They may tweak the amount of time you spend achieving that goal in the future but make not mistake, they want you to spend a significant amount of time obtaining these items. That’s literally why they gated Ascended items the way they did, because people were getting their exotics and didn’t enjoy the pure horizontal item progression. You can buy gold with gems, and people have mentioned before, you are certainly welcome to but you are in no way forced to. They want your money, that’s no lie. But remember, if you want a legendary in game, you can either play the game at the pace they decided on at the moment, buy gems, or play the TP. You actually have three (or more options) that will give you the results you want at varying speeds.

Some of the recent threads are making me thing their OPs need to stop taking meds you buy on dark street corners from guys with guns…

I’m not sure you are not supposed to farm is the best way to say it after all it should be closer to you don’t NEED to farm which it already is you can easily get all decked out in exotics once you hit 80 with the karma you have built up on the way go visit a temple you probably did some dungeons on your trip save up a few more tokens trade em in. So really the you are NOT supposed to farm thing is a bit stupid this is an MMO we are talking about one of the things people love to do is get lots and lots of items and turn em into lots and lots of gold and after that get some pretty looking stuff to make yourself feel awesome while you walk around town.

The fact that farming is not a necessity has already been accomplished you can easily play get the highest stated gear you want so why should you punish those who merely want to aim for getting rich and getting their character to be a awesome.

So you an RPG where you shouldn’t be allowed to farm if you want is rather odd and imo kinda lame granted there are other means of making money such as playing the trading post buying reselling, gambling on bags or forge, finding an item that for a period of time you can buy and make and sell for a profit but that isn’t for everyone some enjoy it and do very well but no need to kill the farmers.

Vayne.8563:

Veldan.4637:

Mirta.5029:

The reason the game discourages you from farming is because you are NOT supposed to FARM in this game.

loooooooooool

So you’re supposed to get all those ecto and T6 stacks (legendary, ascendeds, MF skins) by not farming? GL doing that.

But that’s how I did it. I get ectos from just playing the game. I get karma from playing the game. I get mystic coins from playing the game. I get skill points from playing the game. Mystic coins are also cheap on the marketplace right now.

Then I play the mystic forge for clovers. I have far far more clovers than I need to make two legendary weapons but they also reward me, sometimes, with T6 mats. Doing this when I get ectos and enough coins have given me enough T6 mats to get my legendary. I tend to get more elaborate totems and powerful blood than other T6 mats, but I just sell those and buy the mats I need.

In the end, it took a look time, but it wasn’t impossible….and I didn’t farm to get them.

With all the time you spend on the forums you must have really good luck with drops ;-)

If nobody ever farmed everything would’ve been cheap. But people don’t realise this and continue to farm so prices continue to go up…. when people finally wake up and see how bad farming is for the economy maybe they’ll stop complaining about “nerfing” the loot of farming spots/dungeons.

The OP lost my sympathy with the first paragraph. “Those who disagree are devs or GMs”. Really? Are you so High and Mighty that you have All The Answers? Your opinion is The Only Right One?

Then he proceeds to whine about it being too hard to get gold which you don’t really need in the first place. sigh I’m moving on. Nothing to see here.

Tosha Daydreamer.9251:

The OP lost my sympathy with the first paragraph. “Those who disagree are devs or GMs”. Really? Are you so High and Mighty that you have All The Answers? Your opinion is The Only Right One?

Then he proceeds to whine about it being too hard to get gold which you don’t really need in the first place. sigh I’m moving on. Nothing to see here.

Maybe he isn’t looking for your sympathy? And if you don’t need gold why do so many people farm COF path1?

It seems they only encourage people to farm COF path 1 and the gem store ;-)

Drew.1865:

You should play games for fun and having over 400 gold shouldn’t be what makes it fun for you.

Oh, so now we tell people what SHOULD be fun for them? Are you for kitten real?

I’m sorry you lost gold, bro, that suuuuuucks. I feel your pain.

Atrem.6528:

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465 gold is not pocket change bro. If I had that much, or even half as much, I’d feel much more encouraged to go after my legendary full steam. Right now, the precursor is whats holding me back from really focusing on it because lets face it, unless youre some lucky SOB, youre going to spend 400-600 gold on the precursor. Its a fact.

@cesmode
I guess I feel a little bad for owning 2 precursors without farming for anything, and without any intention of making a legendary. I don’t even run MF gear ever.

Anyway, one was the shield (chosen) I got last September from a random Ice elemental mob inside Grenth temple, and the rifle(hunter) was a couple days ago on my 2nd run in the new Molten dungeon from a champion fiery sprite mob. I use them both on my warrior for the cool skins (I prefer them over their legendary versions)

edited—nevermind. I see you stated which ones

But yeah, very unlucky for me.

I probably have the worst RNG in the game so I usually stick to only WvW for a few hours a night just for some fun with friends. GW2 for me has been the most unrewarding game in terms of loot I have ever played. Doesn’t matter what I do , dungeons, events, WvW its all junk loot all the time. And forget about going for a Legendary, its not an option, have been saving all my T6 mats since launch and still not even close, took me over 350 globs just to get my mystic clovers done. As far as gold I do OK because I very rarely buy anything so I have been able to save a descent amount 1 copper at a time. I think I have bought a bad account, plagued with forever bad RNG. Good thing the gameplay is fun otherwise there would be no reason to log on.

I play this game for fun and fun for me is farming. They’re nerfing a lot of the farmable spots in this game and it’s the main reason why I haven’t spent anything since December (I’ve spent close to $800 in gems)

sigh, a game that challenges the idea of farming simply doesnt understand the general audience for MMOs.

Unfortunately as much as a game tries to eliminate it the more some players will try to farm. Why? BECAUSE THATS WHAT THEY ENJOY DOING. Now consider what would happen if guild wars 2 tried to eliminate min/maxing or RPing… there just styles of play after all and it shouldnt be up to a game developer to make these choices. It should be left to the player.

PS. Ofc, systems do have to be in place for anti botting.

Mirta.5029:

okay.

Now about dungeons – I did not notice any change in dungeon loot. I think that you just have a bad case of RNG. I was never too lucky myself. I tend to get blues and some greens sometimes. Friends that I run with though get cores and yellows sometimes. It was always this way and wasn’t changed.

Fractals Chest loot seems to be much worse, i havnt gotten a single core since last patch from a chest.

maddoctor.2738:

If nobody ever farmed everything would’ve been cheap. But people don’t realise this and continue to farm so prices continue to go up…. when people finally wake up and see how bad farming is for the economy maybe they’ll stop complaining about “nerfing” the loot of farming spots/dungeons.

This is false.

1. if nobody ever farmed, there would be less gold but also a lot less materials/lodestones/precursors… pretty much less of everything, and prices wouldn’t be much lower, in fact relatively they’d probably be higher

2. even the devs said farming is not bad for the economy

statistics show that 15% of a mmo population farm, if farming is not seen as viable then that is 15% of the population lost. No wonder gw2 is failing

If they made gems cheaper or increased the gem:gold exchange ratio significantly, everyone would do it and then your 400g would be worth a lot less because everyone would have money. I feel for you OP, losing 465g sucks. It’s waaay more than I have. But I find that I don’t actually need a ton of gold unless I were shooting for a Legendary (which btw, are supposed to take months to acquire). I make enough running a couple dungeons to buy the gear I need. Getting exotics is easy, getting dungeons gear isn’t gold-based…I’m struggling to find why anyone would feel the need to have 400g again just to have it.

Under Web.2497:

statistics show that 15% of a mmo population farm, if farming is not seen as viable then that is 15% of the population lost. No wonder gw2 is failing

80% of all statistics are made up on the spot. And GW2 failing is total supposition.

Drew.1865:

Vayne.8563:

Veldan.4637:

Mirta.5029:

The reason the game discourages you from farming is because you are NOT supposed to FARM in this game.

loooooooooool

So you’re supposed to get all those ecto and T6 stacks (legendary, ascendeds, MF skins) by not farming? GL doing that.

But that’s how I did it. I get ectos from just playing the game. I get karma from playing the game. I get mystic coins from playing the game. I get skill points from playing the game. Mystic coins are also cheap on the marketplace right now.

Then I play the mystic forge for clovers. I have far far more clovers than I need to make two legendary weapons but they also reward me, sometimes, with T6 mats. Doing this when I get ectos and enough coins have given me enough T6 mats to get my legendary. I tend to get more elaborate totems and powerful blood than other T6 mats, but I just sell those and buy the mats I need.

In the end, it took a look time, but it wasn’t impossible….and I didn’t farm to get them.

With all the time you spend on the forums you must have really good luck with drops ;-)

Due to chronic pain, I dont’ sleep. I have plenty of time to be in the forums and still play the game. Even I can’t play a game more than 12 hours a day but I’m awake 20 hours a day. I find the forums entertaining and even distracting from pain, so I hang out here. Distraction for pain is better and more helpful than most medication.

I direct deposit all my money into Anets account. I didn’t realize you could just spend what you want

Vayne.8563:

Drew.1865:

Vayne.8563:

Veldan.4637:

Mirta.5029:

The reason the game discourages you from farming is because you are NOT supposed to FARM in this game.

loooooooooool

So you’re supposed to get all those ecto and T6 stacks (legendary, ascendeds, MF skins) by not farming? GL doing that.

But that’s how I did it. I get ectos from just playing the game. I get karma from playing the game. I get mystic coins from playing the game. I get skill points from playing the game. Mystic coins are also cheap on the marketplace right now.

Then I play the mystic forge for clovers. I have far far more clovers than I need to make two legendary weapons but they also reward me, sometimes, with T6 mats. Doing this when I get ectos and enough coins have given me enough T6 mats to get my legendary. I tend to get more elaborate totems and powerful blood than other T6 mats, but I just sell those and buy the mats I need.

In the end, it took a look time, but it wasn’t impossible….and I didn’t farm to get them.

With all the time you spend on the forums you must have really good luck with drops ;-)

Due to chronic pain, I dont’ sleep. I have plenty of time to be in the forums and still play the game. Even I can’t play a game more than 12 hours a day but I’m awake 20 hours a day. I find the forums entertaining and even distracting from pain, so I hang out here. Distraction for pain is better and more helpful than most medication.

People have said the same to me, and I have more hours in game than them and more hours per day lol As a bonus I get better drops than the haters too, so there is always that :P And the 4 Fused weapons, 120 trans crystals are a nice bonus.

On a side note I spent 200g on influence the other day, seems I’ve gotten bored with gold AND with cash, good for the game I guess ^^

Warruz.8096:

Mirta.5029:

okay.

Now about dungeons – I did not notice any change in dungeon loot. I think that you just have a bad case of RNG. I was never too lucky myself. I tend to get blues and some greens sometimes. Friends that I run with though get cores and yellows sometimes. It was always this way and wasn’t changed.

Fractals Chest loot seems to be much worse, i havnt gotten a single core since last patch from a chest.

what level do you run? 10 and 20 seems to bring the absolute best rewards. I’ve gotten a few account bound exotics and yellows running fractals last month for my dailies. I got tired of running them (still need 4 rings, but hell, the can wait), so I haven’t run a single one in May yet. But in my experience fractals yields averagely better rewards than dungeons.

Looks like people are farming and don’t even realize they are farming. To them, they are playing the game, but to someone else, it’s farming.

For me, farming stems from the concept of a farm. Each zone is a farmer’s field and what you are farming are “crops”.

I stopped and just looked out at a frozen lake. I saw a nice flat plot of land with ice worms sticking up from the ground like corn stalks waiting to be chopped down and harvested.

This was easier to see because it is on such a small scale but, it then becomes obvious for other things when you scale it up. Ore nodes that are scattered across the zone you’re in.

The concept then sort of branches off from there. What are you doing when you are harvesting those ice worms? You are killing the same mob over and over and over. Why? Because it’s not like you need just one or two of something they have (crafting material as an example), you need dozens of it.

So that basically includes repetative action. I would go as far to say, excessive repetative action.

So this includes running the same dungeons or doing the same events over and over. Even if you mix it up and do only each dungeon once and do a couple events (just doing each event once), well if you do this list of things on a daily basis, you are farming them.

In most games, if you want to make an outfit, you will have to farm (grind being another term for farm really) the materials. Or you can buy them off the trading house but then you have to ask, “how did they get put up for sale?” At some point someone had to farm them.

As much as people don’t like to mix reality with fantasy games, sometime realism is the best solution. I don’t need to kill 10 dolyaks to get 10 steaks. If I kill a cow in RL, I got multiple steaks, roasts, ribs, etc. Even enough leather to make anywhere from 1/2 to 1 full leather jacket depending on size.

Though, I suppose what I would like is a MMORPS. That is, a Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Simulator.

Atrem.6528:

This in it’s entirety seem’s incompetent in it’s own. Passively but publicly attacking me for posting something that is actually a problem is rather naive but since we’re going there why not go with the flow eh?

You passively and publicly attacked ANet for something that you perceive is a problem, but actually isn’t.

You can easily get gold in this game through events/dungeons and TP. I have not ever felt the need to convert gems to gold, and have purchased all of my characters exotic gear. Granted, I do not yet have the gold for commander pin and/or legendary, but these are long term goals.

I am sorry to hear you were hacked and lost 465 gold, that does truly suck. However, if you feel the need to farm for gold, that is your problem. Anti-farming measures are in place for a couple of reasons, and it’s not in place to discourage farming. One reason is to deter botters, and another reason is to keep the economy in check. If they had lots of mats dropping, then the TP would overflow with them, and prices would drop. You would then get less gold for your troubles than you currently do.

Why did you share Your account and or buy gold from someone other then ANET? No one asked that yet.

Deamhan.9538:

So that basically includes repetative action. I would go as far to say, excessive repetative action.

So this includes running the same dungeons or doing the same events over and over. Even if you mix it up and do only each dungeon once and do a couple events (just doing each event once), well if you do this list of things on a daily basis, you are farming them.

if to be pedantic about farming in any game (even single player) you farm. You farm kills with your shotgun in an FPS, you farm enemy units in an RTS, you farm if you play the game more than once, you farm when you drive to work every day.
However what normally people consider farming in MMOs is a) standing in one spot killing things for hours for loot b) running a dungeon many times in the same day c) doing the same events many times in the same day.

Atrem.6528:

I’m here today just because I’d really like to address something that I know 99% of all the readers will be sticklers or sympathizers. The 1% may just be dev’s or GM’s(if I’m so luckly) But I’d really like to start by addressing the buffs/nerfs that have been going around the last few weeks.

So to state simply why all this was compiled inside my brain, I was hacked and lost all of my gold. It was about 465g some of you may say “Pfft pocket change” but to me that was a lot… I opened a ticket a few weeks later and Anet couldn’t do anything because I took so long to report it(partially my fault I admit) but none the less this was very discouraging and disappointing. So I started farming, back to the grind as we would say, but nay nay says Anet. So I understand buffing an event or four because they’re too easy but over the last few weeks not have I only seen events become almost three times harder but I have seen that they are also dropping less and less valuable items. So how did this make me feel? Well your reading this so you obviously want to know, It kitten me offfffffffffffffffff. Farming has become even more of a tedious and uneventful aspect of the MMO game experience with these changes.

Next, the nerfing of popular dungeon’s loot, I don’t know if zorromos paid Anet off but c’mon! My farm group is getting less and less loot from these dungeons we used to rely on for currency all the while I see top end T6 mat prices going back up?!?! why? because nerfing loot drops = higher demand which = higher supply pricing.

Now to get to the topic of all this, Anet. We are sooooo happy you made GW2 and made it F2P at that! BUT! you’re pushing people even harder towards the gem market. I have gotten to the point where I feel I almost NEED to buy gems in order to get back on my feet after being hacked. Which I don’t have 200 dollars to get 16k gems so I can be back at my 465g… We know you need money to survive in this world but how far is your cash grab reach going to go?

Maybe this is just me? but honestly I see where they’re going with this. This needs to change, We use cash markets for exclusive items and rewards/boosts not as a necessity. Anet, please if you think this will push people towards your gem market please remember if you deter people too much into your what is beginning to look like greedy palms they will go to 3rd party vendors. We all know you can never truly destroy a 3rd party vendor. I’m not saying I’m going to buy gold from some shady kitten website but others will. I’ve always believed in earning my gold through farming and hard work. Then again the past few weeks have yielded such low profit I just want to smash my face against my keyboard till f,c,u,k,d,e are all permanently embedded in my skin feel free to rearrange those as you see fit!

So I’ll say this in short to sum it all up, We know you like money, we love money too. We enjoy your game but you’re killing us with your push to your cash grab market. We know it’s a necessity and we already pump money into it like gas into a H2 hummer. So please ease off the throttle. Drive the hybrid for a bit and bring the RNG back to where it was or should be so people like me(which make up the majority of game players) can kill Grenth and Champion Wraiths…. and get something better than a Blue while wearing 185% MF….

Sincerely yours,
-Forge.

I simply refuse to purchase gems at all until they reverse this policy. I had, shortly after release, purchased ~$100 worth. However, this trend of altering game mechanics simply to push people towards the cash show is something I find offensive, and I refuse to erward it with gems purchases.

Uncle Salty.6342:

See. The main problem is even though Anet is changing the game, you guys are still stuck using the same methods, refuse to improvise, then blame Anet for your own incompetence.

If method A yields less than before.. use method B. If you can’t think of method B, then it really makes more sense to get a job, buy more gems and support Anet. It’s really more time efficient than any form of farming.

That’s really all I see. I LOVE blaming Anet. But blame them for something that’s indeed their shortcoming. Not your own.

Can’t buy a precursor with gems and no I’m not going to spend real money on gems to just transfer it over into gold. if i’m buying gems its because I want something on the gem store.

PearlGore.7419:

Why did you share Your account and or buy gold from someone other then ANET? No one asked that yet.

No one asked it because it is not a valid question to anyone except players who live under bridges and hunt billy goats.

Mirta.5029:

okay. The reason the game discourages you from farming is because you are NOT supposed to FARM in this game. Yes, you lost your money, that’s always sad, but because of that a game that discouraged farming will not suddenly change and allow farming.
Now about dungeons – I did not notice any change in dungeon loot. I think that you just have a bad case of RNG. I was never too lucky myself. I tend to get blues and some greens sometimes. Friends that I run with though get cores and yellows sometimes. It was always this way and wasn’t changed.
And I never needed to exchange gems for gold either. All gem store items that I wanted I got with gold.

But the game doesn’t discourage TP flipping. Are you suppose to flip stuff on the TP? Why aren’t you suppose to farm? Why doesn’t the system punish open world farmers more than COF p1 farmers?

400+ gold would make me feel rich beyond belief!
Currently I have 13 gold, that’s it.
Technically , I have been getting what I need by playing the game.
I leveled my main to 80, had just enough gold and karma to get him fully decked out in exotic gear, but it took nearly every thing I had saved. Leveled alt 1 and the same thing, got his gear and was broke again. Alt 2, same thing again only this time I had a whole 13 gold left. So to put it in RL terms, right now I am living paycheck to paycheck, spending just about what I have coming in. This means I can survive, by “just playing game” but I can not afford any luxuries.

I’m really confused as to what is in the Gem shop that’s so kitten precious

Bag Slots: Are you really carrying 100 items with you at all times?
Bank Slots: What are you hording? Especially since crafting items have free slots
Character Slots: Maybe for an Alt-aholic
Dances: I agree. Dances are OP
Town Clothes: Because everyone deserves to look ugly
Mining Pick: Someone did the math, and you would have you have to use it constantly for like 6 years to break even?
Mini Pets: Baby lions are the only things that matter, right?

Katai.6240:

I’m really confused as to what is in the Gem shop that’s so kitten precious

Bag Slots: Are you really carrying 100 items with you at all times?
Bank Slots: What are you hording? Especially since crafting items have free slots
Character Slots: Maybe for an Alt-aholic
Dances: I agree. Dances are OP
Town Clothes: Because everyone deserves to look ugly
Mining Pick: Someone did the math, and you would have you have to use it constantly for like 6 years to break even?
Mini Pets: Baby lions are the only things that matter, right?

Too be fair….if you’re doing WvW your bags fill up quite quickly if you’re fending off a huge zerg on stonemist.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

400+ gold would make me feel rich beyond belief!
Currently I have 13 gold, that’s it.
Technically , I have been getting what I need by playing the game.
I leveled my main to 80, had just enough gold and karma to get him fully decked out in exotic gear, but it took nearly every thing I had saved. Leveled alt 1 and the same thing, got his gear and was broke again. Alt 2, same thing again only this time I had a whole 13 gold left. So to put it in RL terms, right now I am living paycheck to paycheck, spending just about what I have coming in. This means I can survive, by “just playing game” but I can not afford any luxuries.

Thank you! I think most of us get enough paycheck to paycheck type crap from life everyday, what’s the problem with making the game actually feel rewarding at some point?

Apparently the problem is a select few number of people who can’t stand to kill monsters to get items for more than 3 minutes at a time in any one place. I really don’t see anything else it could be other than extreme ADD and jealousy.

TooBz.3065:

But the game doesn’t discourage TP flipping. Are you suppose to flip stuff on the TP? Why aren’t you suppose to farm? Why doesn’t the system punish open world farmers more than COF p1 farmers?

TP flipping is really hard. It’s to do with learning the economy, predicting what items will grow in price. That’s why very few people are able to do it without suffering considerable loses.
World farmers are sort of punished more that CoF farmers. You need to continue to move in the open world and there are very few spots that are being farmed. You can continue running CoF for 1/3rd the reward all day long. CoF is the one that should be nerfed next to be honest.

Aeonblade.8709:

Thank you! I think most of us get enough paycheck to paycheck type crap from life everyday, what’s the problem with making the game actually feel rewarding at some point?

Apparently the problem is a select few number of people who can’t stand to kill monsters to get items for more than 3 minutes at a time in any one place. I really don’t see anything else it could be other than extreme ADD and jealousy.

the more rewarding the game will be, the higher the prices will rise on the trade post, because everyone will have more money, meaning that most of your goals won’t be any closer.
You are not supposed to sit there and kill monsters repetitively. Most people that came to Guild Wars 2 do not like doing so. It’s not ADD, it’s being bored. Bored is bad for the game.

Katai.6240:

Bank Slots: What are you hording? Especially since crafting items have free slots

I have 8 characters, so the items that I hold include: various dungeon tickets left overs. Not quite enough for a weapon, but why should I delete 160 tickets just to start over again later? Fractal rings, because throwing the top tier gear away seems a bit sad. Fractal tickets, I have about 1500 out of 1850 that I need for the fractal back piece. Karma in various different jugs – not consuming it at the moment, because I might need to buy exotics with it for the remaining 3 low levels of mine. Some boosters – like magic find and karma boosters. Black lion chests. Merchant, trade post, bank expresses. Gear that I made for my low levels, but they can’t equip it still. Special event items – like the gautlets and SaB skins.
For now I’m balancing with the regular bank slot and one bank expansion. If I had 3 in total I would live a very comfortable life, lol.