Guild Wars 2

Haha you are funny

Stark.1350:

…quitting a game you don’t pay for monthly that has given you 10x any content that a single player game can offer is laughable.

That statement is laughable. 10x more content than any SP game can offer? Lulz, not only is it not true, but why are you comparing SP games to GW2…? GW2 cannot be played offline AFAIK.

Stark.1350:

I see the doom and gloomers are out in full force. “Oh, it’s all over now. Oh, we’re totally excluded from this content. Oh, Anet sucks. Oh, Anet doesn’t listen. Oh, sPvP is totally ruined.”

What a joke. Try being less drama queens please – quitting a game you don’t pay for monthly that has given you 10x any content that a single player game can offer is laughable. Let me know when you try another MMO or go back to one. The grass ain’t greener and you’ll come crawling back.

But please, keep up the amusement.

It’s always like this. Something new comes up. People will 100% of the time find something to complain about it. More people will join in. Lots of emotions at forums. Eventually, people reading will care less. Emotions die down. And people live with it. If it’s one thing that the human race is capable of, it’s the ability to adapt.

an ability that seems to be very missed in this forum…. they don’t even had the chance to play the new patch but they were already complaining when the guild mission had been announced. instead of being excited they forsaw the end of the world

penatbater.4710:

Stark.1350:

I see the doom and gloomers are out in full force. “Oh, it’s all over now. Oh, we’re totally excluded from this content. Oh, Anet sucks. Oh, Anet doesn’t listen. Oh, sPvP is totally ruined.”

What a joke. Try being less drama queens please – quitting a game you don’t pay for monthly that has given you 10x any content that a single player game can offer is laughable. Let me know when you try another MMO or go back to one. The grass ain’t greener and you’ll come crawling back.

But please, keep up the amusement.

It’s always like this. Something new comes up. People will 100% of the time find something to complain about it. More people will join in. Lots of emotions at forums. Eventually, people reading will care less. Emotions die down. And people live with it. If it’s one thing that the human race is capable of, it’s the ability to adapt.

Exactly, just give it a few weeks. It happened with fotm but now fotm doesn’t really concern people now.

Truthfully, getting Art of War 5 to unlock the ability to do guild missions is ridiculously easy.

The total cost is 73g. Some people are rich enough to throw that much money down the Mystic Toilet.

A small guild with money pooled together can easily obtain that amount, with much, much, much, much, much less work needed to simply grind influence up directly.

So you’re suggesting that the new patch is perfect, then? That there’s absolutely nothing in it that deserves to be complained about?

If so, then I respect your point of view but I think it’s narrow-minded.

If not, why are you begrudging people for expressing their opinions on the subject?

critickitten.1498:

So you’re suggesting that the new patch is perfect, then? That there’s absolutely nothing in it that deserves to be complained about?

If so, then I respect your point of view but I think it’s narrow-minded.

If not, why are you begrudging people for expressing their opinions on the subject?

No, it’s not that there’s “absolutely nothing in it that deserves to be complained about”. It’s that the complaints are a result of an overreaction.

If it’s one thing that the human race is capable of, it’s the ability to be drama queens.

Really though I loved this new update and it gave me all the warm and fuzzies.
I am part of a small 25 people guild in which there’s rarely more than 5 people on at once. I’ve been playing since launch and I don’t have a single tree at rank 5 yet (to be fair I switched servers half way, if I didn’t I would have literally ONE tree at rank 5 today).

This means that most likely I will NEVER get to experience guild missions, this saddens me and it’s the one thing about this update which was a big let down – HOWEVER! It’s not the end of the world, I still enjoy the game, I still play as I would regularly and I don’t hate life because of this. It’s a part of life, people need to get over the idea they’re entitled to everything.

Now I do believe that there should be some minor lesser guild missions available earlier such as in rank 3, but maybe Anet will add that along the way. For the time being, I’m enjoying myself just fine.

The GW2 today REQUIRES me to play the game every single day for 40 days or join a big guild. That isn’t how I envisioned GW2 to be, afaik GW1 never required you to play so much to have equipments at par.

Stark.1350:

Complaints could be spoken in a mature, respectful manner that promotes intelligent discussion and helpful ideas – not “OMMMMGGGG THE WORLD IS FREAKING ENDING” with absolutely ridiculous, untrue claims that people haven’t even touched yet.

Heijincks.9267:

No, it’s not that there’s “absolutely nothing in it that deserves to be complained about”. It’s that the complaints are a result of an overreaction.

No, the people who complain about complaints aren’t looking for a “mature” discussion.

They just want the dissenters to go away completely.

I’ve tried having mature, adult discussions about numerous topics in this forum before, and the responses were equally as childish, rude, and dismissive as the complaints you’re whining about right now.

You don’t want an actual discussion, you want everyone to shut up and be happy that they got “free content”. I don’t see anything wrong with complaining about a patch that is arguably one of the worst to date, perhaps only surpassed by the November patch and how dysfunctional that was.

critickitten.1498:

Stark.1350:

Complaints could be spoken in a mature, respectful manner that promotes intelligent discussion and helpful ideas – not “OMMMMGGGG THE WORLD IS FREAKING ENDING” with absolutely ridiculous, untrue claims that people haven’t even touched yet.

Heijincks.9267:

No, it’s not that there’s “absolutely nothing in it that deserves to be complained about”. It’s that the complaints are a result of an overreaction.

No, the people who complain about complaints aren’t looking for a “mature” discussion.

They just want the dissenters to go away completely.

I’ve tried having mature, adult discussions about numerous topics in this forum before, and the responses were equally as childish, rude, and dismissive as the complaints you’re whining about right now.

Oh, I’m whining about the complaints? Where? It doesn’t change the fact that people are overreacting. Like I mentioned with a workaround to the influence problem, it’s really not as big of a deal as some people make it out to be. Yes, the complaints may be based upon a legitimate reason; that I agree with, but it is definitely NOT that bad in the scale some people make it out to be.

This isn’t whining. This is being realistic.

Rather than complain, I’d just like to see them use common sense and work on adding things people are going to either like or be indifferent about. Rather than adding things that are obviously going to kitten off like 75% of the player base.

I mean you don’t need a crystal ball to see that this stuff is a bad idea. How about realizing it early and then….wait for it…MAKING SOMETHING ELSE INSTEAD.

I’m probably one of the few but I bought gems as a way of showing ANET that I like what they are doing. I’ve bought them almost every month since launch.

Everyone has their own thing. Mine is the changes to Penn / Shelter in Cursed Shore.

I ’ve spent much of my time working on a legendary. All I need is the precursor.

I’ve been using the Mystic Forge to use rares to try to get one.

20 attempts costs around 32 gold to do.

Gold is hard to come by in this game. I could be wrong but looks like they’ve killed the penn / shelter farming spots which in an hour would yield about 4-5 gold an hour. This allowed me one series of tries a week.

Now I’m looking at one series of tries a month, and that is if I don’t use the money on anything else? No thanks…

I don’t feel like doing speed runs in dungeons all the time. Penn / Shelter was my relaxation as I could walk away from the PC if something came up.

I could be wrong about my initial reaction, but right now I’m pretty ticked. I hope I’m wrong.

I don’t have a single issue with this patch.

Stark.1350:

I see the doom and gloomers are out in full force. “Oh, it’s all over now. Oh, we’re totally excluded from this content. Oh, Anet sucks. Oh, Anet doesn’t listen. Oh, sPvP is totally ruined.”

What a joke. Try being less drama queens please – quitting a game you don’t pay for monthly that has given you 10x any content that a single player game can offer is laughable. Let me know when you try another MMO or go back to one. The grass ain’t greener and you’ll come crawling back.

But please, keep up the amusement.

The amusing part is reading your post… it speaks volumes when you try to use SP games for your comparisons about MMO content updates anyway… FAIL!
But do keep trying to entertain us all, one day the sun might not shine all the way thro from one ear to the other

Oh and for your info, as GW2 is, as you correcly say, essentially free when disregarding the Box sale, many players are likely playing other MMO’s anyway and casually playing GW2 as and when they feel like it, more so now that many of us have reached the current endgame contnet and rinsed repeated many time

Stark.1350:

I see the doom and gloomers are out in full force. “Oh, it’s all over now. Oh, we’re totally excluded from this content. Oh, Anet sucks. Oh, Anet doesn’t listen. Oh, sPvP is totally ruined.”

What a joke. Try being less drama queens please – quitting a game you don’t pay for monthly that has given you 10x any content that a single player game can offer is laughable. Let me know when you try another MMO or go back to one. The grass ain’t greener and you’ll come crawling back.

But please, keep up the amusement.

I must say logic has taking a back seat to all this drama. So much fear with changes i guess humans have never moved forwarded that far it more on the lines of what changes they fear.

Heijincks.9267:

Oh, I’m whining about the complaints? Where? It doesn’t change the fact that people are overreacting. Like I mentioned with a workaround to the influence problem, it’s really not as big of a deal as some people make it out to be.

No, it’s not a big deal in your opinion.

Which is precisely my point. You don’t actually want a discussion about the problems, because you don’t think they are problems. And you’re just going to dismiss whatever arguments are presented. So why bother? You want to sit there and complain about a lack of “maturity” in the complaints, but if they were presented maturely, they wouldn’t even get a reaction. The last time the player base was loud and vocal about a problem in the game (Nov), guess what? The dev team responded. Big cryfest about the AoE nerf proposal, and guess what? Devs responded again. But they’ve never responded to mature, intelligent discussion, and neither have their defenders.

So the question is: If being mature and intelligent doesn’t work, but throwing a fit gets you heard and listened to, which reaction will you default to if you want something done?

I don’t think this patch was a step in the right direction…but I also don’t think it was a step on a doomsday bomb either. I’m an owner of a small guild and I’m very discouraged about the problems with guild missions…but I also understand that this is an easy fix.

Other people need to understand that as well. ANET is very good at recognizing their mistakes and the feedback of their community, and as long as we present an profound (but organized!) disagreement with certain decisions…they will fix it.

It’s not like this is a game breaking issue anyways.

Rei.2610:

I don’t have a single issue with this patch.

Your main is a warrior, huh?

critickitten.1498:

Heijincks.9267:

Oh, I’m whining about the complaints? Where? It doesn’t change the fact that people are overreacting. Like I mentioned with a workaround to the influence problem, it’s really not as big of a deal as some people make it out to be.

No, it’s not a big deal in your opinion.

Which is precisely my point. You don’t actually want a discussion about the problems, because you don’t think they are problems. And you’re just going to dismiss whatever arguments are presented. So why bother? You want to sit there and complain about a lack of “maturity” in the complaints, but if they were presented maturely, they wouldn’t even get a reaction. The last time the player base was loud and vocal about a problem in the game (Nov), guess what? The dev team responded. They’ve never responded to mature, intelligent discussion, and neither have their defenders.

So the question is: If being mature and intelligent doesn’t work, but throwing a fit gets you heard and listened to, which reaction will you default to if you want something done?

Please read my post again.

I never said there weren’t problems. I’m saying that the problems presented are being blown out of proportions given the circumstances in which the problems can be resolved. For example, people are complaining it takes “way too long” to get the influence they need. There are workarounds to this. You can dig a hole with a shovel, but you can dig a hole instantaneously if you just blew open the ground with dynamite.

In other words, it’s like throwing a tantrum over something that is essentially a minor problem.

Sure, this is all my opinion. For some, it’s a nuisance, but for others, it’s the end of the world. If my dinner being cold is the end of the world for me, how in any way is that realistic? This is exactly what some of the complaints are akin to.

EDIT: Also, the protest against the November patch wasn’t acknowledged due to people throwing tantrums. It’s a lot more simpler than that; it’s just that a lot of people dissented from all angles. It was acknowledged due to pure numbers.

Stark.1350:

I see the doom and gloomers are out in full force. “Oh, it’s all over now. Oh, we’re totally excluded from this content. Oh, Anet sucks. Oh, Anet doesn’t listen. Oh, sPvP is totally ruined.”

What a joke. Try being less drama queens please – quitting a game you don’t pay for monthly that has given you 10x any content that a single player game can offer is laughable. Let me know when you try another MMO or go back to one. The grass ain’t greener and you’ll come crawling back.

But please, keep up the amusement.

Agreed completely.
Gamers are so whiny nowadays, they want everything handed to them immediately and without effort, and everyone think they should be able to access anything at any given time. Bah.

If nowadays gamers lived in the ‘90s, you’d see them complaining in the Nes forum that level 3 of world 1 in Super Mario should be nerfed and made easier, that Tetris has difficulty levels and therefore is “gating” people, etc.

Jski.6180:

Stark.1350:

I see the doom and gloomers are out in full force. “Oh, it’s all over now. Oh, we’re totally excluded from this content. Oh, Anet sucks. Oh, Anet doesn’t listen. Oh, sPvP is totally ruined.”

What a joke. Try being less drama queens please – quitting a game you don’t pay for monthly that has given you 10x any content that a single player game can offer is laughable. Let me know when you try another MMO or go back to one. The grass ain’t greener and you’ll come crawling back.

But please, keep up the amusement.

I must say logic has taking a back seat to all this drama. So much fear with changes i guess humans have never moved forwarded that far it more on the lines of what changes they fear.

Have you even read what the issues are all about… doooh the players want change, they want new shiny content.. but many of us want to be able to sample all those changes, those nice things we scream for… not feel or be excluded from it….

As usual, what people fail to understand is the expectation setting the devs did. The game was advertised one way. Some people didn’t like it, devs made no effort to correct the impression, and continued going the way they advertised it.

Then at some point a patch landed that did a 180 degree. A large portion of people who didnt leave (because they were the correct target audience) flipped out. The devs made a lot of posts explaining how they made a mistake and they’d fix it, to not worry, blah blah blah.

Some patches come and bring the game slightly back in the original direction, giving the impression they were going back toward what they advertised before launch.

Then bang, back squarely in the 180 degree territory. Misrepresentation and false advertising always make people go nuts on the internet.

What they did to the game isn’t all that bad. You could argue its actually pretty cool. They just largely got rid of the audience that would have appreciated it, so of course you’ll hear a lot of loud complains from whats left.

Arimahn.3568:

Rei.2610:

I don’t have a single issue with this patch.

Your main is a warrior, huh?

Actually warriors found something to complain about. They’re complaining that their profession is ruined because they can’t full heal in zerker gear with omnom ghosts anymore.

This is what they have to try to complain about. Food.

Heijincks.9267:

The total cost is 73g. Some people are rich enough to throw that much money down the Mystic Toilet.[/b].

Whoa, really? Wish some of those people would “donate” to the charity of me.
Or I could open an art shop. Hmm. :P

OP has a raging kitten right now. Quit feeding the trolls.

HannaDeFreitas.4236:

Stark.1350:

I see the doom and gloomers are out in full force. “Oh, it’s all over now. Oh, we’re totally excluded from this content. Oh, Anet sucks. Oh, Anet doesn’t listen. Oh, sPvP is totally ruined.”

What a joke. Try being less drama queens please – quitting a game you don’t pay for monthly that has given you 10x any content that a single player game can offer is laughable. Let me know when you try another MMO or go back to one. The grass ain’t greener and you’ll come crawling back.

But please, keep up the amusement.

Agreed completely.
Gamers are so whiny nowadays, they want everything handed to them immediately and without effort, and everyone think they should be able to access anything at any given time.
Bah.

Another who obviously has’nt actually read what players are saying… its not about having it all on a plate, guilds expect to have to work for it, that’s the point but all guilds should be able to work for it.. small guilds simply wont be able to unless they grind points for ever in parts of the game they may not want to or go pay to win and buy the unlocks… then find they need to spam Map chat over and over in the hope that others aren’t to busy running the content for their own guilds, to stop and agree to help others knowing full well they could and likely should be running it for their own guilds

Stark.1350:

Leo Paul.1659:

The GW2 today REQUIRES me to play the game every single day for 40 days or join a big guild. That isn’t how I envisioned GW2 to be, afaik GW1 never required you to play so much to have equipments at par.

Can you show me the gun to your head, Leo?

It’s called laurels.

I’m laughing extremely hard at the forum censors whenever I come here.

So many kittens, so little time…

“OP has a raging kitten right now”…. god I can’t stop laughing

Stark.1350:

I have read the complaints, my friend. “Feeling” you are excluded from it is nonsense. You’re not excluded from guild missions at all. Not one bit, no matter what size your guild is.

Yep. Good luck tracking down and defeating 2 champion mobs wandering somewhere in two parts of the world in under 15 minutes with not many people to canvas the areas though!

http://www.guildwars2hub.com/guides/basics/complete-guide-guild-missions

Jski.6180:

Have you even read what the issues are all about… doooh the players want change, they want new shiny content.. but many of us want to be able to sample all those changes, those nice things we scream for… not feel or be excluded from it….

nobody is escluded from something that is in open world and don’t even require to be in a guild to participate and get the personal reward that probably is the shiny new currency to buy the ascended earrings.

i think that probably people are complaining because in the new patch they weren’t provided with a mail with a pair of ascended earrings for free with all stats just to begin with the right step, a legendary precursor, and a new trait tree in his own profession that granted immortality and uber power in pve, spvp, tpvp, wvwvw.

if any of you have trouble to join a guild mission because their own guild cannot unlock the missions yet, you are welcome to participate in ours (when they will be ready for start) while earning the influence for your own guild to launch your own mission.

Stark.1350:

Idolicious.6091:

Stark.1350:

…quitting a game you don’t pay for monthly that has given you 10x any content that a single player game can offer is laughable.

That statement is laughable. 10x more content than any SP game can offer? Lulz, not only is it not true, but why are you comparing SP games to GW2…? GW2 cannot be played offline AFAIK.

I’m comparing it to a SP game because you don’t pay for it monthly, unlike most MMO’s. Name one SP game that can even come close. You can’t do it. Try again.

Well I’ve had more fun with SP games like Devil May Cry, Ninja Gaiden and stuff, but GW2 has held my attention for much longer. Still, I love my action games.

Guild events and laurels are fine. I play casually and can still enjoy the game- you don’t need to do every little thing. No one is forcing you to do anything… Only complaint is the AC overhaul that makes non lv80’s useless in there.

People always overreact to updates. =P

Stark.1350:

Alright, kitten. What would you like to discuss? What about this patch upsets you SO much?

Oh, just for you, I’ll get right on a post that details exactly what’s wrong with this patch. And then when you and all of the other game’s defenders promptly shrug off all of the complaints with the same tired excuses, I’ll point to those posts as proof of concept: you don’t care about the reason behind the complaints, you just want them to go away.

But that’ll wait until tomorrow. I have work in the morning.

It’s not an overreaction, it is a snowballed reaction.

You see with each patch ArenaNet has habitually made design choices that are…well…less than great. With each of those sub-par patches the players patience and goodwill has died a little. From the complete lack of major class balancing, ignoring WvW, Karka chest debacle, Ascended gear introduction, laurel system, and now guild missions; ArenaNet has been angering people.

It happens with every MMO and usually the 6 month mark is the breaking point. ArenaNet has consistently not made good changes and shown that they need “informed” of their poor choices. It just doesn’t help there is 6 months of pent up frustration behind those posts. As the months roll by there might be less posts due to people quitting(reached their breaking point) but they will be more and more hate filled.

What I particularly dislike is the fact that the big guilds will be able to require their members either into: donating or representing 24/7 unless risk not being able to get those ascended earrings via guild missions.

FateOmega.9601:

penatbater.4710:

Stark.1350:

I see the doom and gloomers are out in full force. “Oh, it’s all over now. Oh, we’re totally excluded from this content. Oh, Anet sucks. Oh, Anet doesn’t listen. Oh, sPvP is totally ruined.”

What a joke. Try being less drama queens please – quitting a game you don’t pay for monthly that has given you 10x any content that a single player game can offer is laughable. Let me know when you try another MMO or go back to one. The grass ain’t greener and you’ll come crawling back.

But please, keep up the amusement.

It’s always like this. Something new comes up. People will 100% of the time find something to complain about it. More people will join in. Lots of emotions at forums. Eventually, people reading will care less. Emotions die down. And people live with it. If it’s one thing that the human race is capable of, it’s the ability to adapt.

Exactly, just give it a few weeks. It happened with fotm but now fotm doesn’t really concern people now.

Actually I view the 11/15 patch as the worst of the patches. FotM was simply the mechanism for the introduction of vertical progression. It is of concern to many people still and is discussed almost daily on the forums.

Stark.1350:

Man, I can’t even imagine the overreaction if raids were announced, which are in every other single MMO out there. What the heck would your “small guild” do then?

People would point out, as they do now, that GW2 was never advertised or supposed to be “every other single MMO”. If I wanted raids, I could go back to that other major MMO which does that kind of content much better anyway.

While there are some things in the patch that are a little irksome, I have to agree that most of the complainers are overeating. I’ve never played an MMO or even been apart of some sort of internet community where there wasn’t a big uproar whenever something changed. Many people say they will quit. Most of them will shut up in a day or two. And half of them will come back to the game in a few weeks at most.

What’s happening is a few of the competent players are pointing out flaws, and others are taking those flaws and making them seem like the end of the world. They’re letting their emotions flare irrationally, and eventually they’ll just shrug it off and go back to playing.

GW2 is far from over with only a few setbacks. And I really don’t see how the updates ruined the game completely. It may make some content annoying for a while, but whatever.

The internet is full of this kind of stuff, though. It’s like watching the same bad movie over and over.

Stark.1350:

Bloodstealer.5978:

Jski.6180:

Stark.1350:

I see the doom and gloomers are out in full force. “Oh, it’s all over now. Oh, we’re totally excluded from this content. Oh, Anet sucks. Oh, Anet doesn’t listen. Oh, sPvP is totally ruined.”

What a joke. Try being less drama queens please – quitting a game you don’t pay for monthly that has given you 10x any content that a single player game can offer is laughable. Let me know when you try another MMO or go back to one. The grass ain’t greener and you’ll come crawling back.

But please, keep up the amusement.

I must say logic has taking a back seat to all this drama. So much fear with changes i guess humans have never moved forwarded that far it more on the lines of what changes they fear.

Have you even read what the issues are all about… doooh the players want change, they want new shiny content.. but many of us want to be able to sample all those changes, those nice things we scream for… not feel or be excluded from it….

I have read the complaints, my friend. “Feeling” you are excluded from it is nonsense. You’re not excluded from guild missions at all. Not one bit, no matter what size your guild is.

Then you may want to re-read them and let all the small guilds into your master plan.

But then again no bother, its an easy decision for most small guilds to make and when they begin to ignore the content or simply leave then ANET might begin to understand not everyone wants to subscribe to a faceless 500 guild or spend a high percentage of their time spamming chat channels in the hope that other guilds have players willing to run missions for other small guilds rather than their own.
But hey you go your way, I’ll go mine – GW2 is only a gap filler for me anyway so no loss to me really, my game fix is far away from Tyria and always has been.

Stark.1350:

Idolicious.6091:

Stark.1350:

…quitting a game you don’t pay for monthly that has given you 10x any content that a single player game can offer is laughable.

That statement is laughable. 10x more content than any SP game can offer? Lulz, not only is it not true, but why are you comparing SP games to GW2…? GW2 cannot be played offline AFAIK.

I’m comparing it to a SP game because you don’t pay for it monthly, unlike most MMO’s. Name one SP game that can even come close. You can’t do it. Try again.

Pshh, for cereal? Well I’ll start with Guild Wars 1 since that’s the most obvious example (and should fit your requirement of “game that doesn’t require sub”), but then after that you can probably just choose any of the other big-name single-player RPGs out there. I guess if you consider grinding Fractal levels and running the same dungeons over and over “more content” than what other games have, you may have a valid point. Personally, I don’t consider grinding the same crap every day to be “content-rich.”

But let’s be honest, this game generates revenue on a daily basis, it just does not require a sub fee like some other MMOs. But you’re mistaken if you think A.Net isn’t making just as much off of the Gem Store as some other companies make with subs (wonder why more companies are starting to push the so-called f2p model?). So really, you should be asking for any types of comparison whether there be a sub fee involved or not. Either way your blanket statement is just wrong.

Here we go again: Stop complaining or I’ll complaint of you complaint so you complaint while we complaint of the complaints.

I wonder why every time someone complaint about the game the topic is deleted or get an infraction but when someone complaint about the complainers and insult them or make fun of them is ok for Anet?

And why bring complaints about complaints? If you enjoy the game, play it, if not, do something else.

If that info on the other site is true, we small guilds maybe better off waiting for the “trek” mission as I don’t think the others will scale all that well for smaller numbers. Could be wrong though!

Distaste.4801:

It’s not an overreaction, it is a snowballed reaction.

You see with each patch ArenaNet has habitually made design choices that are…well…less than great. With each of those sub-par patches the players patience and goodwill has died a little. From the complete lack of major class balancing, ignoring WvW, Karka chest debacle, Ascended gear introduction, laurel system, and now guild missions; ArenaNet has been angering people.

It happens with every MMO and usually the 6 month mark is the breaking point. ArenaNet has consistently not made good changes and shown that they need “informed” of their poor choices. It just doesn’t help there is 6 months of pent up frustration behind those posts. As the months roll by there might be less posts due to people quitting(reached their breaking point) but they will be more and more hate filled.

Pretty much this. People who dismiss the uproar as overreaction miss the fact that the reaction is to specific named aspects of the patch. The specific named complaints have substance as rationale is given. The charge of overreaction is just an assertion. Is it overreaction or is it that people really want the game to succeed but are nonplussed given the actions of Anet? I’m inclined to go with the later.

Stark.1350:

Let’s give GW2 the same amount of years GW1 has been out, then compare content. That argument is moot. If you’ve run every path in every dungeon, beaten story mode, done every jumping puzzle, explored the whole game, mastered sPvP, done WvW, gotten your legendary and everything else, THEN and ONLY THEN have you completed all content in this game.

Amazing logic. If ANet made a dungeon that was literally impossible to beat we’d have content for all eternity!

HoboLyra.4908:

Guild events and laurels are fine. I play casually and can still enjoy the game- you don’t need to do every little thing. No one is forcing you to do anything… Only complaint is the AC overhaul that makes non lv80’s useless in there.

People always overreact to updates. =P

Your right , players tend to and I for one have been pretty supportive of ANET up till now with all the nerfbatting, patch debacles and game direction (a la FotM, Dungeons, Ascended Gearing, Legendary component grinds, DR etc etc) and yes content is purely optional.
But to promote this update as a big step forward for Guilds when many Guilds wont be able to run it as “Guild content” becuase they simply don’t have the numbers and are forced to spam for players or be sucked into A N Other guild … sorry that is one idea I wont get behind.

For me its just reeks of failed design

Stark.1350:

Go through this post, Blood – all the answers for small guilds are in it.

I dont need to go through it all over again or the 3 other threads with twice as many postings… yes there are ways.. grind for eternity then spam for help, pay to unlock then spam for help or simply wait for the nexr desperado guild to spam Map chat for joiners into their bst guild on server lah blah blah… I think I will pass thanks

Now I am really affraid of March update. February Guild update just made new content unplayble for smaller guilds. What in March? Singles cannot join WvW?
Actualy my guild chooses not to participate in guild missions. Reward/cost is not good at it.
Waiting at least 12 hours to start one guild mission? Which we need to do in 15 minutes? Really?
And other missions have longer build queues

Stark.1350:

Let’s give GW2 the same amount of years GW1 has been out, then compare content. That argument is moot. If you’ve run every path in every dungeon, beaten story mode, done every jumping puzzle, explored the whole game, mastered sPvP, done WvW, gotten your legendary and everything else, THEN and ONLY THEN have you completed all content in this game.

I was only comparing Guild Wars Prophecies in my comparison – the very first game – with the SAME world map as GW2 except that you can actually access MORE of it.

Do you even REALIZE the insane amount of time that GW2 has been in development? Since 2007; that is a FIVE-YEAR development cycle, approx. 2x-3x that of the average. That’s huge. Don’t give me this crap “lets give it as long as GW1 and see how it compares.” GW1 had the core game (“Prophecies”) plus 2 stand-alone campaigns (each as big as Prophecies) and 1 expansion pack, ALL developed and released within 5 years.

Whose argument is moot now?

How about you do the math instead of making up numbers, for starters.

“Guild Wars development was first announced in April 2003. Guild Wars Prophecies, initially marketed simply as Guild Wars, was released in April 2005. Sorrow’s Furnace added further playable content to Prophecies in September 2005. Guild Wars Factions was released exactly a year after Prophecies in April 2006 followed six months later by Guild Wars Nightfall in October 2006. A fourth campaign was in development, but after reviewing feedback from fans and the sort of changes they wanted to make, ArenaNet elected to focus on an expansion pack, Guild Wars: Eye of the North, released in August 2007, and Guild Wars 2.”

5 years for GW1 = Developement started and finished for the core game and the following 2 Campaigns (stand-alone games as large as Prophecies), and the EoTN expansion pack; work also begins on sequel.

5 years for GW2 = Game is barely released. I won’t bother to mention it’s current state 6 months after that fact, as I think it’s pretty clear most people’s opinions on that one.

Technically, Guild Wars Prophecies and all later content packs completed the development cycle and were released all within 4.5 years. GW2 after 5 years? The core game was still in beta.

I find it amusing that you think there is no cause for concern.