Guild Wars 2

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Couldn’t have said this any better.

I wonder how many times these types of posts are made per day.

Heijincks.9267:

I wonder how many times these types of posts are made per day.

Does that make them any less valid? Or do you comment with genuine curiosity and agreement with the points made?

yawn. Oh another one of these.Though I do have to agree about the flame and frost update. My empathy towards the refugees is non-existent.

Mitch.4781:

Heijincks.9267:

I wonder how many times these types of posts are made per day.

Does that make them any less valid? Or do you comment with genuine curiosity and agreement with the points made?

Yes, it does make them less valid. Every game that exists and has players get similar posts. The more players, the more complaints.

Mitch.4781:

ANET could do worse than examine the masters of MMO’s..yes Blizzard and really investigate why an 8 year old game still trounces every new mmo release to the market…The simple answer is it listens. And Content..lots of it. They have a brand new 12 boss raid…what do we have?? Banging some fences in the snow and npcs we could care less for…

Actually not true. Blizzard analyzed the most popular and most played mmo of all time which is farm ville for their current game model. This goes a lot deeper then purely adding an actual farmville to their game by the way as this game plan began implementation in mid Wotlk in making content appeal and tap into the huge player base farmville has and gain it on a subscription and microtransaction level.

Gw2 by that logic should analyze Farmville, but I love gw2 and have never had interest in farmville

Art work in this game is amazing I agree 100%

Heijincks.9267:

I wonder how many times these types of posts are made per day.

The number goes up exponentially on patch days

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Heijincks.9267:

I wonder how many times these types of posts are made per day.

Does that make them any less valid? Or do you comment with genuine curiosity and agreement with the points made?

Yes, it does make them less valid. Every game that exists and has players get similar posts. The more players, the more complaints.

Well its easy to generalise without identifying specific points. So forgive me if I disagree. It wasn’t a whine post..it was pretty clear that there are legitimate issues with the game. But feel free to be an Ostrich

I disagree with your points made. How many content upgrades did Prophecies have when it was six months old? What did they get? Sorrow’s Furnace? FoTM absolutely was better than that.

Content takes time to develop. You act like the stuff they’re providing is worthless, but it’s not. It’s also not awesome beyond all reckoning.

You have a game that launched early by anyone’s standards. It’s taken them six months to get the game to launch quality. If during that time they had one decent upgrade, that’s ahead of the game.

I think people are just impatient. If you played Prophecies at launch, six months later it was like, umm, we need more stuff. Same thing people are saying here.

If you want more stuff to do, be patient, it’s coming. But comparing Guild Wars 2 to Guild Wars 1, when Guild Wars 2 had three full games and an expansion out, just isn’t right.

Sure we all want more content. The question is how reasonable is it to expect it so soon.

You should look at other MMOs six months out and compare, before you judge.

Mitch.4781:

Heijincks.9267:

I wonder how many times these types of posts are made per day.

Does that make them any less valid? Or do you comment with genuine curiosity and agreement with the points made?

As a matter of fact it does make them less valid because it gets redundant, but with that said, it doesn’t necessarily mean I disagree with them either.

Bottom line is, you can only beat a dead horse for so long until you get tired.

Vayne.8563:

I disagree with your points made. How many content upgrades did Prophecies have when it was six months old? What did they get? Sorrow’s Furnace? FoTM absolutely was better than that.

Content takes time to develop. You act like the stuff they’re providing is worthless, but it’s not. It’s also not awesome beyond all reckoning.

You have a game that launched early by anyone’s standards. It’s taken them six months to get the game to launch quality. If during that time they had one decent upgrade, that’s ahead of the game.

I think people are just impatient. If you played Prophecies at launch, six months later it was like, umm, we need more stuff. Same thing people are saying here.

If you want more stuff to do, be patient, it’s coming. But comparing Guild Wars 2 to Guild Wars 1, when Guild Wars 2 had three full games and an expansion out, just isn’t right.

Sure we all want more content. The question is how reasonable is it to expect it so soon.

You should look at other MMOs six months out and compare, before you judge.

Well imo GW1 prophecies had a LOT more content at launch than GW2 anyways. I mean just look at the map…a good 3rd of the map has yet to be revealed! In GW1 it was all available from the get go. Also you have to factor in, that was like 8 years ago. the market has changed. Competition is stronger than it has ever been. It is in THEIR interests to up the ante. And the argument isn’t really about content per se..its about whether its the RIGHT type of content.

Stego.3148:

Mitch.4781:

ANET could do worse than examine the masters of MMO’s..yes Blizzard and really investigate why an 8 year old game still trounces every new mmo release to the market…The simple answer is it listens. And Content..lots of it. They have a brand new 12 boss raid…what do we have?? Banging some fences in the snow and npcs we could care less for…

Actually not true. Blizzard analyzed the most popular and most played mmo of all time which is farm ville for their current game model. This goes a lot deeper then purely adding an actual farmville to their game by the as this game plan began implementation in mid Wotlk in making content appeal and tap into the huge player base farmville has and gain it on a subscription and microtransaction level.

Gw2 by that logic should analyze Farmville, but I love gw2 and have never had interest in farmville

Art work in this game is amazing I agree 100%

The fact is that currently WOW has 8million plus subscribers and is the leading MMO by far. I can’t go back because I really like the initial premise of GW2..however, I respect the fact they constantly churn out content and listen to the fans. SOmetimes I really feel that Anet comes across as disingenuous and arrogant in its dealings with the playerbase.

Heijincks.9267:

Mitch.4781:

Vayne.8563:

I disagree with your points made. How many content upgrades did Prophecies have when it was six months old? What did they get? Sorrow’s Furnace? FoTM absolutely was better than that.

Content takes time to develop. You act like the stuff they’re providing is worthless, but it’s not. It’s also not awesome beyond all reckoning.

You have a game that launched early by anyone’s standards. It’s taken them six months to get the game to launch quality. If during that time they had one decent upgrade, that’s ahead of the game.

I think people are just impatient. If you played Prophecies at launch, six months later it was like, umm, we need more stuff. Same thing people are saying here.

If you want more stuff to do, be patient, it’s coming. But comparing Guild Wars 2 to Guild Wars 1, when Guild Wars 2 had three full games and an expansion out, just isn’t right.

Sure we all want more content. The question is how reasonable is it to expect it so soon.

You should look at other MMOs six months out and compare, before you judge.

Well imo GW1 prophecies had a LOT more content at launch than GW2 anyways. I mean just look at the map…a good 3rd of the map has yet to be revealed! In GW1 it was all available from the get go. Also you have to factor in, that was like 8 years ago. the market has changed. Competition is stronger than it has ever been. It is in THEIR interests to up the ante. And the argument isn’t really about content per se..its about whether its the RIGHT type of content.

You’re comparing an expansion with a main game.

Um no Im not. Im comparing Vanilla GW1 with Vanilla GW2. In GW1 Ring of Fire, Crystal Desert Magumma jungle etc were all unlocked from launch day..Not to mention those outpost missions.

Mitch.4781:

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Heijincks.9267:

I wonder how many times these types of posts are made per day.

Does that make them any less valid? Or do you comment with genuine curiosity and agreement with the points made?

Yes, it does make them less valid. Every game that exists and has players get similar posts. The more players, the more complaints.

Well its easy to generalise without identifying specific points. So forgive me if I disagree. It wasn’t a whine post..it was pretty clear that there are legitimate issues with the game. But feel free to be an Ostrich

Disagreeing that your post has merit does not make one an Ostrich.

Virtually everyone who complains feels that THEIR post is “legitimate” and “not a whine” post. Yet the vast majority are. So feeling that way is silly. I liked the update. I felt it was fun and substantial. If you don’t feel the game has been added to a great deal in the last few months, I have no idea what game you are playing, frankly.

Mitch.4781:

Stego.3148:

Mitch.4781:

ANET could do worse than examine the masters of MMO’s..yes Blizzard and really investigate why an 8 year old game still trounces every new mmo release to the market…The simple answer is it listens. And Content..lots of it. They have a brand new 12 boss raid…what do we have?? Banging some fences in the snow and npcs we could care less for…

Actually not true. Blizzard analyzed the most popular and most played mmo of all time which is farm ville for their current game model. This goes a lot deeper then purely adding an actual farmville to their game by the as this game plan began implementation in mid Wotlk in making content appeal and tap into the huge player base farmville has and gain it on a subscription and microtransaction level.

Gw2 by that logic should analyze Farmville, but I love gw2 and have never had interest in farmville

Art work in this game is amazing I agree 100%

The fact is that currently WOW has 8million plus subscribers and is the leading MMO by far. I can’t go back because I really like the initial premise of GW2..however, I respect the fact they constantly churn out content and listen to the fans. SOmetimes I really feel that Anet comes across as disingenuous and arrogant in its dealings with the playerbase.

Farmville is the leading mmo with 63+ Million active players. It’s a mindless cashcow game built to maximize cashcow, WoW Copied this business model in most of it’s design. MMO’s had a lot more integrity pre-wow and gw2 has always been a huge breath of fresh air.

The less wow the better.

Mitch.4781:

Vayne.8563:

I disagree with your points made. How many content upgrades did Prophecies have when it was six months old? What did they get? Sorrow’s Furnace? FoTM absolutely was better than that.

Content takes time to develop. You act like the stuff they’re providing is worthless, but it’s not. It’s also not awesome beyond all reckoning.

You have a game that launched early by anyone’s standards. It’s taken them six months to get the game to launch quality. If during that time they had one decent upgrade, that’s ahead of the game.

I think people are just impatient. If you played Prophecies at launch, six months later it was like, umm, we need more stuff. Same thing people are saying here.

If you want more stuff to do, be patient, it’s coming. But comparing Guild Wars 2 to Guild Wars 1, when Guild Wars 2 had three full games and an expansion out, just isn’t right.

Sure we all want more content. The question is how reasonable is it to expect it so soon.

You should look at other MMOs six months out and compare, before you judge.

Well imo GW1 prophecies had a LOT more content at launch than GW2 anyways. I mean just look at the map…a good 3rd of the map has yet to be revealed! In GW1 it was all available from the get go. Also you have to factor in, that was like 8 years ago. the market has changed. Competition is stronger than it has ever been. It is in THEIR interests to up the ante. And the argument isn’t really about content per se..its about whether its the RIGHT type of content.

Guild Wars 1 had a LOT less then Guild Wars 2. How you can even compare the two is beyond me.

Guild Wars 1 has 1 race with 1 starting area and six professions instead of 8. It had nothing at all like WvW. It has the slowest zones of any game I’ve every played, and yeah, I’m a fan. I sorta like that.

The water was entirely off limits, and a lot of the land areas were gated because everything was pathed. You just couldn’t go there.

How many quests all up did they have in Prophecies? About 500 and 25 missions. That’s not 1500 events, and hearts and story missions.

And while some of those missions were pretty cool, some of them were annoying as hell, and people hated them.

I think the rose-colored glasses are in effect here. Prophecies didn’t have 8 dungeons either.

You could take your time playing Prophecies but there wasn’t a huge amount of content there…considering each of the five starting areas are bigger than Pre.

Heijincks.9267:

Bottom line is, you can only beat a dead horse for so long until you get tired.

I disagree, we can farm COF P1 to eternity.

Khal Drogo.9631:

Heijincks.9267:

Bottom line is, you can only beat a dead horse for so long until you get tired.

I disagree, we can farm COF P1 to eternity.

Apples to oranges.

Eurhetemec.9052:

Disagreeing that your post has merit does not make one an Ostrich.

Virtually everyone who complains feels that THEIR post is “legitimate” and “not a whine” post. Yet the vast majority are. So feeling that way is silly. I liked the update. I felt it was fun and substantial. If you don’t feel the game has been added to a great deal in the last few months, I have no idea what game you are playing, frankly.

I didnt. End of story. No complaints. If you did like the update, then good for you.

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Heijincks.9267:

I wonder how many times these types of posts are made per day.

Does that make them any less valid? Or do you comment with genuine curiosity and agreement with the points made?

Yes, it does make them less valid. Every game that exists and has players get similar posts. The more players, the more complaints.

Well its easy to generalise without identifying specific points. So forgive me if I disagree. It wasn’t a whine post..it was pretty clear that there are legitimate issues with the game. But feel free to be an Ostrich

Disagreeing that your post has merit does not make one an Ostrich.

Virtually everyone who complains feels that THEIR post is “legitimate” and “not a whine” post. Yet the vast majority are. So feeling that way is silly. I liked the update. I felt it was fun and substantial. If you don’t feel the game has been added to a great deal in the last few months, I have no idea what game you are playing, frankly.

Well..“frankly” you’re obviously playing a different one from the rest of us. I would assume you are a lone ranger in the game. Have you talked to other players? I don’t know what server you are on, but on mine, sea of Sorrows, most people I talk to or listen to in general chat or Guild chat or random pugs are UNDERWHELMED.

I’ve never understood why some people take legitimate constructive criticism of the game as a personal attack. If you are personally happy with the current level of updates , then great. But I think you are in the minority imo.

Mitch.4781:

I’ve never understood why some people take legitimate constructive criticism of the game as a personal attack. If you are personally happy with the current level of updates , then great. But I think you are in the minority imo.

1) Troll 2) Anet marketing department. 3) The most loyal GW2 fans ever.

Take your pick.

Mitch.4781:

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Heijincks.9267:

I wonder how many times these types of posts are made per day.

Does that make them any less valid? Or do you comment with genuine curiosity and agreement with the points made?

Yes, it does make them less valid. Every game that exists and has players get similar posts. The more players, the more complaints.

Well its easy to generalise without identifying specific points. So forgive me if I disagree. It wasn’t a whine post..it was pretty clear that there are legitimate issues with the game. But feel free to be an Ostrich

Disagreeing that your post has merit does not make one an Ostrich.

Virtually everyone who complains feels that THEIR post is “legitimate” and “not a whine” post. Yet the vast majority are. So feeling that way is silly. I liked the update. I felt it was fun and substantial. If you don’t feel the game has been added to a great deal in the last few months, I have no idea what game you are playing, frankly.

Well..“frankly” you’re obviously playing a different one from the rest of us. I would assume you are a lone ranger in the game. Have you talked to other players? I don’t know what server you are on, but on mine, sea of Sorrows, most people I talk to or listen to in general chat or Guild chat or random pugs are UNDERWHELMED.

I’ve never understood why some people take legitimate constructive criticism of the game as a personal attack. If you are personally happy with the current level of updates , then great. But I think you are in the minority imo.

Strange, my server is largely positive about the changes…in map chat anyway. Of course, it’s usually natural for unhappy people to vent and happy people to play anyway. The question is how many people happily playing stop in map chat to say, hey, I’m happily playing.

Most people who stop to say something in map chat are venting. So it’s not a great barometer of how well a patch does.

I thought the patch was fine. Not awe-inspiring by any means, but it was fine for a free content patch. Very few MMOs come out with as much stuff as GW 2 as often and many who try do a much worse job than this.

Try comparing what SWToR did as updates in the first six months, or Rift. Then you can complain. Until then, you’re just asking for something unreasonable.

Vayne.8563:

Mitch.4781:

Vayne.8563:

I disagree with your points made. How many content upgrades did Prophecies have when it was six months old? What did they get? Sorrow’s Furnace? FoTM absolutely was better than that.

Content takes time to develop. You act like the stuff they’re providing is worthless, but it’s not. It’s also not awesome beyond all reckoning.

You have a game that launched early by anyone’s standards. It’s taken them six months to get the game to launch quality. If during that time they had one decent upgrade, that’s ahead of the game.

I think people are just impatient. If you played Prophecies at launch, six months later it was like, umm, we need more stuff. Same thing people are saying here.

If you want more stuff to do, be patient, it’s coming. But comparing Guild Wars 2 to Guild Wars 1, when Guild Wars 2 had three full games and an expansion out, just isn’t right.

Sure we all want more content. The question is how reasonable is it to expect it so soon.

You should look at other MMOs six months out and compare, before you judge.

Well imo GW1 prophecies had a LOT more content at launch than GW2 anyways. I mean just look at the map…a good 3rd of the map has yet to be revealed! In GW1 it was all available from the get go. Also you have to factor in, that was like 8 years ago. the market has changed. Competition is stronger than it has ever been. It is in THEIR interests to up the ante. And the argument isn’t really about content per se..its about whether its the RIGHT type of content.

Guild Wars 1 had a LOT less then Guild Wars 2. How you can even compare the two is beyond me.

Guild Wars 1 has 1 race with 1 starting area and six professions instead of 8. It had nothing at all like WvW. It has the slowest zones of any game I’ve every played, and yeah, I’m a fan. I sorta like that.

The water was entirely off limits, and a lot of the land areas were gated because everything was pathed. You just couldn’t go there.

How many quests all up did they have in Prophecies? About 500 and 25 missions. That’s not 1500 events, and hearts and story missions.

And while some of those missions were pretty cool, some of them were annoying as hell, and people hated them.

I think the rose-colored glasses are in effect here. Prophecies didn’t have 8 dungeons either.

You could take your time playing Prophecies but there wasn’t a huge amount of content there…considering each of the five starting areas are bigger than Pre.

Fair points. Maybe it felt like it DID have more content. But the fact is, the rules have changed..gamers have moved on..this isn’t 2002 anymore. When GW1 was active we didn’t have Rift, Aion, Tera, Secret World , SWTOR and all the other mmo’s. I fear the market is saturated and I want GW2 to be the one that survives…I’m not criticising out of attention or whining..I’m doing it cos I worry. Not to mention ESO is incoming :|

1st world issues I know lol

See this guy is a PvE’er and even their not happy.. I was kinda thrown when he said Warr’s were top dog.. then I realized he meant PvE and Ive done like a total of 6 dungs total since release.. its a hot mess for sure,

ANET doesnt add content..they want us to spend mone yon gems for lack of balanaced, lack of viable builds proffessions ( barring ele )

I mean I never saw a you tube vid of a D/D ele until last night and I just sat there in amazement at the sheer carnage and survivability this class has the option to unleash.
Multiple fights vs Multiple geared 80’s at same time and they just beat the kitten out of everybody… I’m going to make one too why not… they can tank you kill you or run from you..at the same time

I dont want ele’s nerfed I want other classes brought up but ANET has proven they just dont play these classes theyre balancing.

Vayne.8563:

Mitch.4781:

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Heijincks.9267:

I wonder how many times these types of posts are made per day.

Does that make them any less valid? Or do you comment with genuine curiosity and agreement with the points made?

Yes, it does make them less valid. Every game that exists and has players get similar posts. The more players, the more complaints.

Well its easy to generalise without identifying specific points. So forgive me if I disagree. It wasn’t a whine post..it was pretty clear that there are legitimate issues with the game. But feel free to be an Ostrich

Disagreeing that your post has merit does not make one an Ostrich.

Virtually everyone who complains feels that THEIR post is “legitimate” and “not a whine” post. Yet the vast majority are. So feeling that way is silly. I liked the update. I felt it was fun and substantial. If you don’t feel the game has been added to a great deal in the last few months, I have no idea what game you are playing, frankly.

Well..“frankly” you’re obviously playing a different one from the rest of us. I would assume you are a lone ranger in the game. Have you talked to other players? I don’t know what server you are on, but on mine, sea of Sorrows, most people I talk to or listen to in general chat or Guild chat or random pugs are UNDERWHELMED.

I’ve never understood why some people take legitimate constructive criticism of the game as a personal attack. If you are personally happy with the current level of updates , then great. But I think you are in the minority imo.

Strange, my server is largely positive about the changes…in map chat anyway. Of course, it’s usually natural for unhappy people to vent and happy people to play anyway. The question is how many people happily playing stop in map chat to say, hey, I’m happily playing.

Most people who stop to say something in map chat are venting. So it’s not a great barometer of how well a patch does.

I thought the patch was fine. Not awe-inspiring by any means, but it was fine for a free content patch. Very few MMOs come out with as much stuff as GW 2 as often and many who try do a much worse job than this.

Try comparing what SWToR did as updates in the first six months, or Rift. Then you can complain. Until then, you’re just asking for something unreasonable.

Ok..irrespective on “content”..how do you feel they have performed regarding profession balance? What profession is your main toon?

Couldn’t agree more with the OP. Blind praise gets you only so far.

If it’s a generally accepted truth that no game is perfect, why not look for the things that keep this game from being better?

@Vayne
It’s not the quantity that matters, it’s the quality. What Guild Wars 1 started with had more structure and soul. The campaign felt more fulfilling to complete than the scattered content you could rush through and ignore in GW2.

Mitch.4781:

Vayne.8563:

Mitch.4781:

Vayne.8563:

I disagree with your points made. How many content upgrades did Prophecies have when it was six months old? What did they get? Sorrow’s Furnace? FoTM absolutely was better than that.

Content takes time to develop. You act like the stuff they’re providing is worthless, but it’s not. It’s also not awesome beyond all reckoning.

You have a game that launched early by anyone’s standards. It’s taken them six months to get the game to launch quality. If during that time they had one decent upgrade, that’s ahead of the game.

I think people are just impatient. If you played Prophecies at launch, six months later it was like, umm, we need more stuff. Same thing people are saying here.

If you want more stuff to do, be patient, it’s coming. But comparing Guild Wars 2 to Guild Wars 1, when Guild Wars 2 had three full games and an expansion out, just isn’t right.

Sure we all want more content. The question is how reasonable is it to expect it so soon.

You should look at other MMOs six months out and compare, before you judge.

Well imo GW1 prophecies had a LOT more content at launch than GW2 anyways. I mean just look at the map…a good 3rd of the map has yet to be revealed! In GW1 it was all available from the get go. Also you have to factor in, that was like 8 years ago. the market has changed. Competition is stronger than it has ever been. It is in THEIR interests to up the ante. And the argument isn’t really about content per se..its about whether its the RIGHT type of content.

Guild Wars 1 had a LOT less then Guild Wars 2. How you can even compare the two is beyond me.

Guild Wars 1 has 1 race with 1 starting area and six professions instead of 8. It had nothing at all like WvW. It has the slowest zones of any game I’ve every played, and yeah, I’m a fan. I sorta like that.

The water was entirely off limits, and a lot of the land areas were gated because everything was pathed. You just couldn’t go there.

How many quests all up did they have in Prophecies? About 500 and 25 missions. That’s not 1500 events, and hearts and story missions.

And while some of those missions were pretty cool, some of them were annoying as hell, and people hated them.

I think the rose-colored glasses are in effect here. Prophecies didn’t have 8 dungeons either.

You could take your time playing Prophecies but there wasn’t a huge amount of content there…considering each of the five starting areas are bigger than Pre.

Fair points. Maybe it felt like it DID have more content. But the fact is, the rules have changed..gamers have moved on..this isn’t 2002 anymore. When GW1 was active we didn’t have Rift, Aion, Tera, Secret World , SWTOR and all the other mmo’s. I fear the market is saturated and I want GW2 to be the one that survives…I’m not criticising out of attention or whining..I’m doing it cos I worry. Not to mention ESO is incoming :|

1st world issues I know lol

You’re right. And Rift had FAR less content in the first six months than Guild Wars 2 does. The world was tiny. I mean really really small, compared to Guild Wars 2. In fact, I can’t think of any MMO that launched with more content.

Most MMOs average 500-600 quests, usually centered around hubs at launch. They can get away with this, because they know exactly how much experience each hub gives, and thus how much experience each player needs to get to the next hub. GW 2 didn’t have that luxury because it had no standard quests. So it launched with roughly 3 times the amount of dynamic events (not including hearts, or personal stories) that most games launch with.

Rift had like 8 dungeons too, but only one path through each dungeon. About the same number of PVe arenas, but nothing at all like WvW. There’s a lot of stuff here, and you’re just underestimating it.

Sure people have moved on. And I challenge you to go to ANY MMO forum for ANY game and check what people are saying at six months.

You won’t find a single one that doesn’t complain about lack of content.

Mitch.4781:

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Heijincks.9267:

I wonder how many times these types of posts are made per day.

Does that make them any less valid? Or do you comment with genuine curiosity and agreement with the points made?

Yes, it does make them less valid. Every game that exists and has players get similar posts. The more players, the more complaints.

Well its easy to generalise without identifying specific points. So forgive me if I disagree. It wasn’t a whine post..it was pretty clear that there are legitimate issues with the game. But feel free to be an Ostrich

Disagreeing that your post has merit does not make one an Ostrich.

Virtually everyone who complains feels that THEIR post is “legitimate” and “not a whine” post. Yet the vast majority are. So feeling that way is silly. I liked the update. I felt it was fun and substantial. If you don’t feel the game has been added to a great deal in the last few months, I have no idea what game you are playing, frankly.

Well..“frankly” you’re obviously playing a different one from the rest of us. I would assume you are a lone ranger in the game. Have you talked to other players? I don’t know what server you are on, but on mine, sea of Sorrows, most people I talk to or listen to in general chat or Guild chat or random pugs are UNDERWHELMED.

I’ve never understood why some people take legitimate constructive criticism of the game as a personal attack. If you are personally happy with the current level of updates , then great. But I think you are in the minority imo.

You claim that everyone agrees with you. They don’t – and says a lot about your argument that you think that they do. I don’t think your criticism is constructive because constructive requires you say what SHOULD be done in some detail. But you simply complain. You don’t offer solutions or improvements, just saying that you don’t like F&F and you don’t like the balance changes. That is not constructive.

Khal Drogo.9631:

Mitch.4781:

I’ve never understood why some people take legitimate constructive criticism of the game as a personal attack. If you are personally happy with the current level of updates , then great. But I think you are in the minority imo.

1) Troll 2) Anet marketing department. 3) The most loyal GW2 fans ever.

Take your pick.

I’m none of the above, but I did like F&F and the balance changes were reasonable. Welcome to a bigger world.

Mitch.4781:

Vayne.8563:

Mitch.4781:

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Heijincks.9267:

I wonder how many times these types of posts are made per day.

Does that make them any less valid? Or do you comment with genuine curiosity and agreement with the points made?

Yes, it does make them less valid. Every game that exists and has players get similar posts. The more players, the more complaints.

Well its easy to generalise without identifying specific points. So forgive me if I disagree. It wasn’t a whine post..it was pretty clear that there are legitimate issues with the game. But feel free to be an Ostrich

Disagreeing that your post has merit does not make one an Ostrich.

Virtually everyone who complains feels that THEIR post is “legitimate” and “not a whine” post. Yet the vast majority are. So feeling that way is silly. I liked the update. I felt it was fun and substantial. If you don’t feel the game has been added to a great deal in the last few months, I have no idea what game you are playing, frankly.

Well..“frankly” you’re obviously playing a different one from the rest of us. I would assume you are a lone ranger in the game. Have you talked to other players? I don’t know what server you are on, but on mine, sea of Sorrows, most people I talk to or listen to in general chat or Guild chat or random pugs are UNDERWHELMED.

I’ve never understood why some people take legitimate constructive criticism of the game as a personal attack. If you are personally happy with the current level of updates , then great. But I think you are in the minority imo.

Strange, my server is largely positive about the changes…in map chat anyway. Of course, it’s usually natural for unhappy people to vent and happy people to play anyway. The question is how many people happily playing stop in map chat to say, hey, I’m happily playing.

Most people who stop to say something in map chat are venting. So it’s not a great barometer of how well a patch does.

I thought the patch was fine. Not awe-inspiring by any means, but it was fine for a free content patch. Very few MMOs come out with as much stuff as GW 2 as often and many who try do a much worse job than this.

Try comparing what SWToR did as updates in the first six months, or Rift. Then you can complain. Until then, you’re just asking for something unreasonable.

Ok..irrespective on “content”..how do you feel they have performed regarding profession balance? What profession is your main toon?

I’m not tremendously stressed about profession balance, and you know, most players aren’t. The only real issue is that if you’re not in a guild, and you play a ranger, necro or engie, you might have trouble getting into pugs.

But I play in a guild. I have one of each professions. I’ve done dungeons with my engie and ranger, even a couple of with my necro. Mostly I use my mesmer though.

In the open world, I have no problem with any profession. Engies with the bomb kit, for example, are great for farming. My ranger is pretty kitten survivable in the open world. Engineers and rangers both have some place in PvP as well, as do necros.

So the real thing here we’re talking about is dungeons. That’s it…dungeons. And since my guild has beaten every dungeon with every professions (one of the guys who has the dungeon master title in my guild is a necro), I don’t really see the same problem some of you do.

If you’re playing a profession and having trouble getting into dungeon pugs, join a guild that doesn’t worry about running a dungeon five minutes faster. You’ll be much happier.

I wonder which patch gathered the least number of “whiners” threads. Just curious. And vice versa of course.

Anet has the answer of course.

Vayne.8563:

I’m not tremendously stressed about profession balance, and you know, most players aren’t. The only real issue is that if you’re not in a guild, and you play a ranger, necro or engie, you might have trouble getting into pugs.

Never been to the necro, ranger or Engi forums, have we? And “try your best not to pug” in aforementioned classes is not a good response to class balance.

More importantly, I was actually pretty happy with all the classes (except ranger which I would never seriously play) until this patch. Don’t tell me whiners on other forums changed the class mechanics for Engi’s Kit Refinement and are responsible for the quickness nerf?

Vayne.8563:

Mitch.4781:

Vayne.8563:

Mitch.4781:

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Heijincks.9267:

I wonder how many times these types of posts are made per day.

Does that make them any less valid? Or do you comment with genuine curiosity and agreement with the points made?

Yes, it does make them less valid. Every game that exists and has players get similar posts. The more players, the more complaints.

Well its easy to generalise without identifying specific points. So forgive me if I disagree. It wasn’t a whine post..it was pretty clear that there are legitimate issues with the game. But feel free to be an Ostrich

Disagreeing that your post has merit does not make one an Ostrich.

Virtually everyone who complains feels that THEIR post is “legitimate” and “not a whine” post. Yet the vast majority are. So feeling that way is silly. I liked the update. I felt it was fun and substantial. If you don’t feel the game has been added to a great deal in the last few months, I have no idea what game you are playing, frankly.

Well..“frankly” you’re obviously playing a different one from the rest of us. I would assume you are a lone ranger in the game. Have you talked to other players? I don’t know what server you are on, but on mine, sea of Sorrows, most people I talk to or listen to in general chat or Guild chat or random pugs are UNDERWHELMED.

I’ve never understood why some people take legitimate constructive criticism of the game as a personal attack. If you are personally happy with the current level of updates , then great. But I think you are in the minority imo.

Strange, my server is largely positive about the changes…in map chat anyway. Of course, it’s usually natural for unhappy people to vent and happy people to play anyway. The question is how many people happily playing stop in map chat to say, hey, I’m happily playing.

Most people who stop to say something in map chat are venting. So it’s not a great barometer of how well a patch does.

I thought the patch was fine. Not awe-inspiring by any means, but it was fine for a free content patch. Very few MMOs come out with as much stuff as GW 2 as often and many who try do a much worse job than this.

Try comparing what SWToR did as updates in the first six months, or Rift. Then you can complain. Until then, you’re just asking for something unreasonable.

Ok..irrespective on “content”..how do you feel they have performed regarding profession balance? What profession is your main toon?

I’m not tremendously stressed about profession balance, and you know, most players aren’t. The only real issue is that if you’re not in a guild, and you play a ranger, necro or engie, you might have trouble getting into pugs.

But I play in a guild. I have one of each professions. I’ve done dungeons with my engie and ranger, even a couple of with my necro. Mostly I use my mesmer though.

In the open world, I have no problem with any profession. Engies with the bomb kit, for example, are great for farming. My ranger is pretty kitten survivable in the open world. Engineers and rangers both have some place in PvP as well, as do necros.

So the real thing here we’re talking about is dungeons. That’s it…dungeons. And since my guild has beaten every dungeon with every professions (one of the guys who has the dungeon master title in my guild is a necro), I don’t really see the same problem some of you do.

If you’re playing a profession and having trouble getting into dungeon pugs, join a guild that doesn’t worry about running a dungeon five minutes faster. You’ll be much happier.

I have to agree with you. PvPers, the ones stressed over profession balance, have all but left, so it’s absolutely true that very few of the remaining population would be concerned about balance.

TwoBit.5903:

Vayne.8563:

Mitch.4781:

Vayne.8563:

Mitch.4781:

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Heijincks.9267:

I wonder how many times these types of posts are made per day.

Does that make them any less valid? Or do you comment with genuine curiosity and agreement with the points made?

Yes, it does make them less valid. Every game that exists and has players get similar posts. The more players, the more complaints.

Well its easy to generalise without identifying specific points. So forgive me if I disagree. It wasn’t a whine post..it was pretty clear that there are legitimate issues with the game. But feel free to be an Ostrich

Disagreeing that your post has merit does not make one an Ostrich.

Virtually everyone who complains feels that THEIR post is “legitimate” and “not a whine” post. Yet the vast majority are. So feeling that way is silly. I liked the update. I felt it was fun and substantial. If you don’t feel the game has been added to a great deal in the last few months, I have no idea what game you are playing, frankly.

Well..“frankly” you’re obviously playing a different one from the rest of us. I would assume you are a lone ranger in the game. Have you talked to other players? I don’t know what server you are on, but on mine, sea of Sorrows, most people I talk to or listen to in general chat or Guild chat or random pugs are UNDERWHELMED.

I’ve never understood why some people take legitimate constructive criticism of the game as a personal attack. If you are personally happy with the current level of updates , then great. But I think you are in the minority imo.

Strange, my server is largely positive about the changes…in map chat anyway. Of course, it’s usually natural for unhappy people to vent and happy people to play anyway. The question is how many people happily playing stop in map chat to say, hey, I’m happily playing.

Most people who stop to say something in map chat are venting. So it’s not a great barometer of how well a patch does.

I thought the patch was fine. Not awe-inspiring by any means, but it was fine for a free content patch. Very few MMOs come out with as much stuff as GW 2 as often and many who try do a much worse job than this.

Try comparing what SWToR did as updates in the first six months, or Rift. Then you can complain. Until then, you’re just asking for something unreasonable.

Ok..irrespective on “content”..how do you feel they have performed regarding profession balance? What profession is your main toon?

I’m not tremendously stressed about profession balance, and you know, most players aren’t. The only real issue is that if you’re not in a guild, and you play a ranger, necro or engie, you might have trouble getting into pugs.

But I play in a guild. I have one of each professions. I’ve done dungeons with my engie and ranger, even a couple of with my necro. Mostly I use my mesmer though.

In the open world, I have no problem with any profession. Engies with the bomb kit, for example, are great for farming. My ranger is pretty kitten survivable in the open world. Engineers and rangers both have some place in PvP as well, as do necros.

So the real thing here we’re talking about is dungeons. That’s it…dungeons. And since my guild has beaten every dungeon with every professions (one of the guys who has the dungeon master title in my guild is a necro), I don’t really see the same problem some of you do.

If you’re playing a profession and having trouble getting into dungeon pugs, join a guild that doesn’t worry about running a dungeon five minutes faster. You’ll be much happier.

I have to agree with you. PvPers, the ones stressed over profession balance, have all but left so it’s true that very few of the remaining population would be concerned about it.

I defy you to find a single MMO that has PvP in it, that doesn’t have a forum full of PvPers whining about balance. Just find one.

The fact is, I’ve yet to play ANY MMO at any stage of development where the PvP fan base said, yep, we’re balanced, it’s all good now.

You’ll never see it because a lot of PvPers care only about their character and not about the game’s overall health. To them, things would be more balanced if they were more powerful than other professions. Without the data, it’s hard to know, but again, you find me one MMO that is balanced according to the PvP crowd.

I’ll wait here.

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Heijincks.9267:

I wonder how many times these types of posts are made per day.

Does that make them any less valid? Or do you comment with genuine curiosity and agreement with the points made?

Yes, it does make them less valid. Every game that exists and has players get similar posts. The more players, the more complaints.

Well its easy to generalise without identifying specific points. So forgive me if I disagree. It wasn’t a whine post..it was pretty clear that there are legitimate issues with the game. But feel free to be an Ostrich

Disagreeing that your post has merit does not make one an Ostrich.

Virtually everyone who complains feels that THEIR post is “legitimate” and “not a whine” post. Yet the vast majority are. So feeling that way is silly. I liked the update. I felt it was fun and substantial. If you don’t feel the game has been added to a great deal in the last few months, I have no idea what game you are playing, frankly.

Well..“frankly” you’re obviously playing a different one from the rest of us. I would assume you are a lone ranger in the game. Have you talked to other players? I don’t know what server you are on, but on mine, sea of Sorrows, most people I talk to or listen to in general chat or Guild chat or random pugs are UNDERWHELMED.

I’ve never understood why some people take legitimate constructive criticism of the game as a personal attack. If you are personally happy with the current level of updates , then great. But I think you are in the minority imo.

You claim that everyone agrees with you. They don’t – and says a lot about your argument that you think that they do. I don’t think your criticism is constructive because constructive requires you say what SHOULD be done in some detail. But you simply complain. You don’t offer solutions or improvements, just saying that you don’t like F&F and you don’t like the balance changes. That is not constructive.

Ok..I’ll keep it simple..Nice n “constructive”. Profession balance wise…I would like ALL classes to be viable for grouping to the point that people will take you irrespective of your class. At the moment, engi’s, rangers and necros get actively discriminated against because they are not seen as good as the others. I would like the other professions to have the attention and devotion placed on them that Warriors have had since day one. Have you read all the profession forums? Rangers have been beat down for months now..That is not just me saying this..that is THE general opinion ingame and on forums. The question is why? People simply don’t understand it.

I would also like to see more diversity in the builds. For example, most necros are almost forced to go conditionmancer because minions are borked and they have very few other viable options..

Content wise. Well Of course Im sure most people would like to see some more areas of the map opened up..simply for variety if anything else. But, I would like to see additional fractals made available. How awesome would it be if they mad e adwarf fractal etc? Something different from the standard that people have been farming for months now. I would wager that the majority of PVE’rs would have preferred updates to fractals or a couple of NEW dungeons introduced and time spent on creating these than the staid “living story”.

And as for living story..If you are going down this route. .Create a situation that grabs people and makes u care. Can you honestly say you are emotionally invested into whats happening right now within this game and this plotline? Most people I know in game couldn’t give a toss if the refugees where blown to kingdom come. I think the fact it was spaced out over such a long period of time didn ’t help it. Story is about immersion and emotion and empathy. ANet could indeed learn from Bioware about this.

Like I say..Im writing this cos I love the game and I want to see it excel. But feel free to label it as whining…

The more people complains the better, hopefully the company listens and start doing something worthwhile. This 4 series patches suck, the storyline blows, wvw progression is bleh at best and pve is still lack lusting.

@ Vayne
Way to generalize. But no I have not seen any game that fits the criteria. I have also never seen any MMO that advertised itself as an eSport outside of GW2.

And to address the misguided vitriol you have against all PvPers, there were players from GW1 that had provided insight so great that even the developers took their advice from time to time. They didn’t care only about “their character,” because that would be silly. They cared about the health of the game itself. Then again there are those selfish players who can’t think outside their biases.

Anywho, getting off topic.

With regard to rangers and balance, I have a ranger in my guild. He played for a month at launch, left for a period of months and came back recently. His ranger is level 80.

He’s beaten some dungeons, including Arah path 1. He’s up to level 19 fractals now. He doesn’t think the ranger is so underpowered…why? Because he doesn’t read forums. He’s playing the game, and he’s happy as a clam with his ranger.

When I told him a lot of people see rangers as a waste and no one wants to take them into dungeons, he was like really? It doesn’t bother him, because he’s playing the game.

Seems to me the more you focus on the stupidity of elitists, the more unhappy you’ll be.

Hicci.8761:

yawn. Oh another one of these.Though I do have to agree about the flame and frost update. My empathy towards the refugees is non-existent.

It’s hard to feel empathy for NPCs that fled the destruction of their homes when they are already tired and weary of all that walk they had to do. All the 2 minutes long walk from the north of the map.

Then those refugees continue pouring from some hole in the ground for two months. And now suddenly some NPCs come after all that time and they say it’s kind of urgent to save those people ?

It feels fake, incredibly fake.

Vayne.8563:

Mitch.4781:

Vayne.8563:

Mitch.4781:

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Heijincks.9267:

I wonder how many times these types of posts are made per day.

Does that make them any less valid? Or do you comment with genuine curiosity and agreement with the points made?

Yes, it does make them less valid. Every game that exists and has players get similar posts. The more players, the more complaints.

Well its easy to generalise without identifying specific points. So forgive me if I disagree. It wasn’t a whine post..it was pretty clear that there are legitimate issues with the game. But feel free to be an Ostrich

Disagreeing that your post has merit does not make one an Ostrich.

Virtually everyone who complains feels that THEIR post is “legitimate” and “not a whine” post. Yet the vast majority are. So feeling that way is silly. I liked the update. I felt it was fun and substantial. If you don’t feel the game has been added to a great deal in the last few months, I have no idea what game you are playing, frankly.

Well..“frankly” you’re obviously playing a different one from the rest of us. I would assume you are a lone ranger in the game. Have you talked to other players? I don’t know what server you are on, but on mine, sea of Sorrows, most people I talk to or listen to in general chat or Guild chat or random pugs are UNDERWHELMED.

I’ve never understood why some people take legitimate constructive criticism of the game as a personal attack. If you are personally happy with the current level of updates , then great. But I think you are in the minority imo.

Strange, my server is largely positive about the changes…in map chat anyway. Of course, it’s usually natural for unhappy people to vent and happy people to play anyway. The question is how many people happily playing stop in map chat to say, hey, I’m happily playing.

Most people who stop to say something in map chat are venting. So it’s not a great barometer of how well a patch does.

I thought the patch was fine. Not awe-inspiring by any means, but it was fine for a free content patch. Very few MMOs come out with as much stuff as GW 2 as often and many who try do a much worse job than this.

Try comparing what SWToR did as updates in the first six months, or Rift. Then you can complain. Until then, you’re just asking for something unreasonable.

Ok..irrespective on “content”..how do you feel they have performed regarding profession balance? What profession is your main toon?

. Mostly I use my mesmer though..

Hmmmso Your main is one of the holy trinity..No wonder your happy

Yeah, I really don’t understand the warrior buff and rangers and engineer nerfs. Those are the two most classes people dislike partying with most since they think they don’t really bring “anything to the party”. Nerfing them will just make people go… “do you have another class?”

TwoBit.5903:

@ Vayne
Way to generalize. But no I have not seen any game that fits the criteria. I have also never seen any MMO that advertised itself as an eSport outside of GW2.

And to address the misguided vitriol you have against all PvPers, there were players from GW1 that had provided insight so great that even the developers took their advice from time to time. They didn’t care only about “their character,” because that would be silly. They cared about the health of the game itself. Then again there are those selfish players who can’t think outside their biases.

Anywho, getting off topic.

I am generalizing. I’m not saying EVERY PvPer is like that. I’m saying a percentage are. And btw, it’s a higher percentage than self-less PvPers like yourself. Most people are self-interested, no matter what area of the game you’re talking about, or even life. There are selfless people and selfish people. Guess which are more numerous?

Vayne.8563:

With regard to rangers and balance, I have a ranger in my guild. He played for a month at launch, left for a period of months and came back recently. His ranger is level 80.

He’s beaten some dungeons, including Arah path 1. He’s up to level 19 fractals now. He doesn’t think the ranger is so underpowered…why? Because he doesn’t read forums. He’s playing the game, and he’s happy as a clam with his ranger.

When I told him a lot of people see rangers as a waste and no one wants to take them into dungeons, he was like really? It doesn’t bother him, because he’s playing the game.

Seems to me the more you focus on the stupidity of elitists, the more unhappy you’ll be.

So you seem to be focusing on the playtime of what would appear to be a very casual player as the standard for all rangers. If he’s cool with it, everyone else must be right?

Ok..done discussing with you then.

Mitch.4781:

Vayne.8563:

With regard to rangers and balance, I have a ranger in my guild. He played for a month at launch, left for a period of months and came back recently. His ranger is level 80.

He’s beaten some dungeons, including Arah path 1. He’s up to level 19 fractals now. He doesn’t think the ranger is so underpowered…why? Because he doesn’t read forums. He’s playing the game, and he’s happy as a clam with his ranger.

When I told him a lot of people see rangers as a waste and no one wants to take them into dungeons, he was like really? It doesn’t bother him, because he’s playing the game.

Seems to me the more you focus on the stupidity of elitists, the more unhappy you’ll be.

So you seem to be focusing on the playtime of what would appear to be a very casual player as the standard for all rangers. If he’s cool with it, everyone else must be right?

Ok..done discussing with you then.

I’m saying if you play the game, and stop listening to whining, you might enjoy the game. I’m saying it’s possible. Since this guy HAS finished hard content and has done well as a ranger and everyone likes him in a party in my guild, then there’s no way you can say a ranger can’t do these things.

I’m not saying the profession is perfect. I’m not saying it doesn’t have challenges. I’m saying it’s being blown WAY out of proportion. The biggest problem with a ranger is pugging dungeons. Because you can go into WvW and joikittenerg, or follow a commander and do just fine.

Vayne.8563:

TwoBit.5903:

@ Vayne
Way to generalize. But no I have not seen any game that fits the criteria. I have also never seen any MMO that advertised itself as an eSport outside of GW2.

And to address the misguided vitriol you have against all PvPers, there were players from GW1 that had provided insight so great that even the developers took their advice from time to time. They didn’t care only about “their character,” because that would be silly. They cared about the health of the game itself. Then again there are those selfish players who can’t think outside their biases.

Anywho, getting off topic.

I am generalizing. I’m not saying EVERY PvPer is like that. I’m saying a percentage are. And btw, it’s a higher percentage than self-less PvPers like yourself. Most people are self-interested, no matter what area of the game you’re talking about, or even life. There are selfless people and selfish people. Guess which are more numerous?

True, but when balance and gameplay absolutely stinks, you don’t need a paragon or savant to tell something wrong. That’s why many have left, and by extension many who would care about balance.

Vayne.8563:

TwoBit.5903:

Vayne.8563:

Mitch.4781:

Vayne.8563:

Mitch.4781:

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Eurhetemec.9052:

Mitch.4781:

Heijincks.9267:

I wonder how many times these types of posts are made per day.

Does that make them any less valid? Or do you comment with genuine curiosity and agreement with the points made?

Yes, it does make them less valid. Every game that exists and has players get similar posts. The more players, the more complaints.

Well its easy to generalise without identifying specific points. So forgive me if I disagree. It wasn’t a whine post..it was pretty clear that there are legitimate issues with the game. But feel free to be an Ostrich

Disagreeing that your post has merit does not make one an Ostrich.

Virtually everyone who complains feels that THEIR post is “legitimate” and “not a whine” post. Yet the vast majority are. So feeling that way is silly. I liked the update. I felt it was fun and substantial. If you don’t feel the game has been added to a great deal in the last few months, I have no idea what game you are playing, frankly.

Well..“frankly” you’re obviously playing a different one from the rest of us. I would assume you are a lone ranger in the game. Have you talked to other players? I don’t know what server you are on, but on mine, sea of Sorrows, most people I talk to or listen to in general chat or Guild chat or random pugs are UNDERWHELMED.

I’ve never understood why some people take legitimate constructive criticism of the game as a personal attack. If you are personally happy with the current level of updates , then great. But I think you are in the minority imo.

Strange, my server is largely positive about the changes…in map chat anyway. Of course, it’s usually natural for unhappy people to vent and happy people to play anyway. The question is how many people happily playing stop in map chat to say, hey, I’m happily playing.

Most people who stop to say something in map chat are venting. So it’s not a great barometer of how well a patch does.

I thought the patch was fine. Not awe-inspiring by any means, but it was fine for a free content patch. Very few MMOs come out with as much stuff as GW 2 as often and many who try do a much worse job than this.

Try comparing what SWToR did as updates in the first six months, or Rift. Then you can complain. Until then, you’re just asking for something unreasonable.

Ok..irrespective on “content”..how do you feel they have performed regarding profession balance? What profession is your main toon?

I’m not tremendously stressed about profession balance, and you know, most players aren’t. The only real issue is that if you’re not in a guild, and you play a ranger, necro or engie, you might have trouble getting into pugs.

But I play in a guild. I have one of each professions. I’ve done dungeons with my engie and ranger, even a couple of with my necro. Mostly I use my mesmer though.

In the open world, I have no problem with any profession. Engies with the bomb kit, for example, are great for farming. My ranger is pretty kitten survivable in the open world. Engineers and rangers both have some place in PvP as well, as do necros.

So the real thing here we’re talking about is dungeons. That’s it…dungeons. And since my guild has beaten every dungeon with every professions (one of the guys who has the dungeon master title in my guild is a necro), I don’t really see the same problem some of you do.

If you’re playing a profession and having trouble getting into dungeon pugs, join a guild that doesn’t worry about running a dungeon five minutes faster. You’ll be much happier.

I have to agree with you. PvPers, the ones stressed over profession balance, have all but left so it’s true that very few of the remaining population would be concerned about it.

I defy you to find a single MMO that has PvP in it, that doesn’t have a forum full of PvPers whining about balance. Just find one.

The fact is, I’ve yet to play ANY MMO at any stage of development where the PvP fan base said, yep, we’re balanced, it’s all good now.

You’ll never see it because a lot of PvPers care only about their character and not about the game’s overall health. To them, things would be more balanced if they were more powerful than other professions. Without the data, it’s hard to know, but again, you find me one MMO that is balanced according to the PvP crowd.

I’ll wait here.

World of tanks is balanced and yes it’s an mmo. See you didn’t have to wait that long and if this game is so much fun to play why are you on the forums and not playing it?

Vayne.8563:

Mitch.4781:

Vayne.8563:

With regard to rangers and balance, I have a ranger in my guild. He played for a month at launch, left for a period of months and came back recently. His ranger is level 80.

He’s beaten some dungeons, including Arah path 1. He’s up to level 19 fractals now. He doesn’t think the ranger is so underpowered…why? Because he doesn’t read forums. He’s playing the game, and he’s happy as a clam with his ranger.

When I told him a lot of people see rangers as a waste and no one wants to take them into dungeons, he was like really? It doesn’t bother him, because he’s playing the game.

Seems to me the more you focus on the stupidity of elitists, the more unhappy you’ll be.

So you seem to be focusing on the playtime of what would appear to be a very casual player as the standard for all rangers. If he’s cool with it, everyone else must be right?

Ok..done discussing with you then.

I’m saying if you play the game, and stop listening to whining, you might enjoy the game. I’m saying it’s possible. Since this guy HAS finished hard content and has done well as a ranger and everyone likes him in a party in my guild, then there’s no way you can say a ranger can’t do these things.

I’m not saying the profession is perfect. I’m not saying it doesn’t have challenges. I’m saying it’s being blown WAY out of proportion. The biggest problem with a ranger is pugging dungeons. Because you can go into WvW and joikittenerg, or follow a commander and do just fine.

Actually I’ve played a ranger and the biggest problem is their pet dies in 3 seconds in a dungeon and the various builds are absolutely pointless. It’s berserker gear and max dps or no loot for you just like every other class in this game.

@Drew
I completely forgot about World of Tanks. But yeah it’s balanced such that there are multiple strategies for everything. Real good example of counterplay.

Drew.1865:

World of tanks is balanced and yes it’s an mmo. See you didn’t have to wait that long and if this game is so much fun to play why are you on the forums and not playing it?

Let me try:
GW2 is undoubtably the best MMO ever, Anet is so generous in giving out free content, the updates are nice.

But I feel it is more important to rebut whiners and critics on the forums than it is to have fun playing GW2 itself.

Khal Drogo.9631:

Drew.1865:

World of tanks is balanced and yes it’s an mmo. See you didn’t have to wait that long and if this game is so much fun to play why are you on the forums and not playing it?

Let me try:
GW2 is undoubtably the best MMO ever, Anet is so generous in giving out free content, the updates are nice.

But I feel it is more important to rebut whiners and critics on the forums than it is to have fun playing GW2 itself.

I agree and I can’t think of a better way to spend my time then whining about whiners on a forum.