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The report system
inb4 everyone tells me to “get over it” and to stop being a kitten & people telling me “don’t PvP then.” Can’t wait to hear those.
and don’t forget “get a thicker skin”, “it’s just smack-talk” and “it’s normal on the internet”. Some people are very fierce in defending their “right” to insult others. It is a very bad attitude in a team game imo.
And I agree with everything you said. I have made the same experiences. Nobody ever gets punished for insults or afk-ing.
inb4 everyone tells me to “get over it” and to stop being a kitten & people telling me “don’t PvP then.” Can’t wait to hear those.
Some people are very fierce in defending their “right” to insult others. It is a very bad attitude in a team game imo.
I’m convinced that they must be compensating for something.
inb4 everyone tells me to “get over it” and to stop being a kitten & people telling me “don’t PvP then.” Can’t wait to hear those.
and don’t forget “get a thicker skin”, “it’s just smack-talk” and “it’s normal on the internet”. Some people are very fierce in defending their “right” to insult others. It is a very bad attitude in a team game imo.
And I agree with everything you said. I have made the same experiences. Nobody ever gets punished for insults or afk-ing.
He also forgot " you should stay in pve then" and “welcome to the internet”. lol what do you want a perminant ban for insulting someone else? Where you want to admit it or not at some point youve been guilty oh the same crime.
People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones
inb4 everyone tells me to “get over it” and to stop being a kitten & people telling me “don’t PvP then.” Can’t wait to hear those.
and don’t forget “get a thicker skin”, “it’s just smack-talk” and “it’s normal on the internet”. Some people are very fierce in defending their “right” to insult others. It is a very bad attitude in a team game imo.
And I agree with everything you said. I have made the same experiences. Nobody ever gets punished for insults or afk-ing.He also forgot " you should stay in pve then" and “welcome to the internet”. lol what do you want a perminant ban for insulting someone else? Where you want to admit it or not at some point youve been guilty oh the same crime.
People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones
Why do you assume that I’m some PvEr who just stepped into PvP yesterday? I’m rank 68 at the moment and I would probably already be maxed out if I had started to PvP earlier in my GW2 career. If you need proof of that I’d be happy to provide some.
I will confess I used to be a huge trash talker in PvP but I’ve almost full-stopped, now the only time I say anything is when people on my own team (pugs) bully my teammates/friends or start acting like pompous know-it-all brats. People log onto GW2 to have fun and de-stress and to get away from real life. I know that’s why I play. Who am I to try and take that away from people? Why would I ever want to hurt someone or make them feel upset when they’re just trying to have a good time?
Maybe some sort of consequence would discourage kittenty behavior. If you’re going to act like a little child who throws a temper tantrum and you get reported for it, then maybe you should go sit in time out like a little child. And honestly? If you’re a repeat offender maybe you SHOULD get a permanent ban. Take out the garbage and PvP will be more enjoyable for everyone.
well for starters since the rank change 20k per a level it isn’t even a challange to get to 60’s. As well as what pvper brags about about a silly rank when truth is you could of been carried the majority of the time. Why do I assume your a pver? if they were to make pve open world we hear the same kind of whining.
You reap what you sow, Life doesnt stop and start at your convience. If they are talking in map, turn off map, in say chat turn off say chat, if whisper block them. From exprience you should already know they get a kick out of getting you upset.
He also forgot " you should stay in pve then" and “welcome to the internet”. lol what do you want a perminant ban for insulting someone else? Where you want to admit it or not at some point youve been guilty oh the same crime.
No, but a day or two off to cool tempers would be appropriate and maybe then people would think twice before insulting others.
Also you assume a great deal without even knowing me.
Wow y’all will REALLY go out of your way to defend your desire to be a prick to others lol.
well for starters since the rank change 20k per a level it isn’t even a challange to get to 60’s. As well as what pvper brags about about a silly rank when truth is you could of been carried the majority of the time.
Omg I could be rank 80 and you’d probably be like, “well it’s like not even that hard to get to rank 80 I mean you could have been carried!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Is my opinion not valid because I’m not the absolute #1 best player NA/EU/CH? Give me a break. I NEVER intended to use my rank as a bragging point and if you didn’t catch that then idk, maybe a reading comprehension class is in order. I was using my rank as a way to show that I’m not some PvEr or new player coming out of the woodwork with no idea about what I’m talking about. This ain’t my first rodeo.
You reap what you sow, Life doesnt stop and start at your convience. If they are talking in map, turn off map, in say chat turn off say chat, if whisper block them. From exprience you should already know they get a kick out of getting you upset.
I reap what I sow, huh? So my team losing a match in a fictional video game means that I deserve to be told to kill myself? What kind of universe are you living in?
How is this ‘at my convenience?’ I am literally asking for discipline to be taken upon people who are problematic. I’m not asking for special treatment, I’m not asking for free things, I’m not asking for restitution. I am asking for stricter rules when it comes to people who are repeat offenders when it comes to being excessively rude, both in PMs and in public chats.
I’d say it’s at THEIR convenience to let them continue being rude without repercussions. Why should I have to turn /m off? What if I want to participate in map chat discussions? My gaming experience is being hampered because of someone else’s rudeness.
If you’d go back and read my original post I already told you that I block them. But blocking is not enough, because they’re going to still do it. If not to me, then to other people. Blocking people is not SOLVING THE PROBLEM. It’s just making it go away for one person. It’s not going to stop the offender from offending.
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He also forgot " you should stay in pve then" and “welcome to the internet”. lol what do you want a perminant ban for insulting someone else? Where you want to admit it or not at some point youve been guilty oh the same crime.
No, but a day or two off to cool tempers would be appropriate and maybe then people would think twice before insulting others.
Also you assume a great deal without even knowing me.
Preach it!
I have a simple rule for civility on the net. If you aren’t willing to say those things to someone’s face in the real world, then don’t say it in the virtual.
Is that so hard?
RIP City of Heroes
He also forgot " you should stay in pve then" and “welcome to the internet”. lol what do you want a perminant ban for insulting someone else? Where you want to admit it or not at some point youve been guilty oh the same crime.
No, but a day or two off to cool tempers would be appropriate and maybe then people would think twice before insulting others.
Also you assume a great deal without even knowing me.
The thing is this is a very gray area since its really depenedant on the person being insulted. It can range from thick skin people like me who you could me any and every name in the book while i sit there laughing because frankly sir, I just dont give a Van kitten to people like the op who get offended by being called a pver even when it wasn’t even directed at them.
Its also includes snappy remarks such as the the op’s remark
I’m convinced that they must be compensating for something.
why do I have to know you in order to know that at some point you insult someone else?
I find this whole topic bullock when you have a dodge button. I have a 100% zerker, so nothing but the default armor/health and I rarely die because I have a dodge button. Practice using it, stay mobile and equip mobility enhancing skills.
That’s nice, but I was more talking about the new enemies being unforgiving if you make a mistake. I unfortunately do not have the reflexes of a teenage boy, sorry. Also no reason to be rude.[/quote]
Its quite common in online games to downplay someones age as a form of insult. Can you show your proof of that player being a teenager? if not please enjoy the next two days off.
I have a simple rule for civility on the net. If you aren’t willing to say those things to someone’s face in the real world, then don’t say it in the virtual.
Is that so hard?
Apparently!
He also forgot " you should stay in pve then" and “welcome to the internet”. lol what do you want a perminant ban for insulting someone else? Where you want to admit it or not at some point youve been guilty oh the same crime.
No, but a day or two off to cool tempers would be appropriate and maybe then people would think twice before insulting others.
Also you assume a great deal without even knowing me.The thing is this is a very gray area since its really depenedant on the person being insulted. It can range from thick skin people like me who you could me any and every name in the book while i sit there laughing because frankly sir, I just dont give a Van kitten to people like the op who get offended by being called a pver even when it wasn’t even directed at them.
Its also includes snappy remarks such as the the op’s remark
Some people get offended and some don’t. But not everyone has the capacity to ignore it, and for some people hearing really mean stuff can be really hurtful. The people who are taking things too far need to be punished.
It’s honestly not that difficult to be nice and it makes you feel happy and it makes the other person feel happy too lol. Like there are zero downsides to it.
….you dont have the capacity to click block and never have to talk to them again??? online prolly isnt for you
I’d love it if all the trolls who hide behind their computer screens would stop being jerks for funsies; I’ll never understand how being cruel or mean is a fun activity. But, just like in all other parts of life, some people are just always going to be jerks, and we can’t change that. The best thing you can do is report them for abuse, block them, and move on with your life.
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I’d love it if all the trolls who hide behind their computer screens would stop being jerks for funsies; I’ll never understand how being cruel or mean is a fun activity. But, just like in all other parts of life, some people are just always going to be jerks, and we can’t change that. The best thing you can do is block them, and move on with your life.
That’s because if they said it to someone in real life they would be beaten to a pulp and/or become a social pariah (if they aren’t already) to their peers.
RIP City of Heroes
….you dont have the capacity to click block and never have to talk to them again??? online prolly isnt for you
Oh my god how many times do I need to explain to you that blocking is not enough until you get it into your head???? Even after someone is blocked what was said to them can still affect them!!! Everything doesn’t just become magically okay just cause someone was blocked. Because the person that was blocked is going to keep doing it to others.
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A little part of me cringes whenever I read somebody says “just ignore/block them”, “get over it”, “stop being a kitten” etc. I can’t help but think that these people are defending/excusing poor behaviour.
I’d totally understand “just ignore them” it if this was a very occassional problem, but most players know that PvP is riddled with awful language and behaviour. It puts a lot of people off PvP and it’s a shame.
Telling someone to “Go kill yourself” is absolutely terrible and shouldn’t be allowed, no matter if the receiver is “thick-skinned” or not. Just a couple of people throwing around insults in a match leaves a sour taste in most peoples’ mouths and ruins the ambience and fun (unless you enjoy people verbally attacking each other…)
Anyway, just blocking/not reporting these people just lets them get away with behaviour that we all would rather not see or be subjected to. A lot of them probably feel they are untouchable either because they aren’t being reported, or the report system is flawed (or, perhaps they are lying about being reported and not being punished just for added venom).
For poor behaviour like this, I definitely think they should be resonably punished, from a 3 day suspension or a permaban. However, I think what would be more fitting would be for people reported in PvP to be specifically banned from PvP as a lot of this behaviour is brought on by competitive play and hormones (these offenders are probably OK in PvE).
A little part of me cringes whenever I read somebody says “just ignore/block them”, “get over it”, “stop being a kitten” etc. I can’t help but think that these people are defending/excusing poor behaviour.
I’d totally understand “just ignore them” it if this was a very occassional problem, but most players know that PvP is riddled with awful language and behaviour. It puts a lot of people off PvP and it’s a shame.
Telling someone to “Go kill yourself” is absolutely terrible and shouldn’t be allowed, no matter if the receiver is “thick-skinned” or not. Just a couple of people throwing around insults in a match leaves a sour taste in most peoples’ mouths and ruins the ambience and fun (unless you enjoy people verbally attacking each other…)
Anyway, just blocking/not reporting these people just lets them get away with behaviour that we all would rather not see or be subjected to. A lot of them probably feel they are untouchable either because they aren’t being reported, or the report system is flawed (or, perhaps they are lying about being reported and not being punished just for added venom).
For poor behaviour like this, I definitely think they should be resonably punished, from a 3 day suspension or a permaban. However, I think what would be more fitting would be for people reported in PvP to be specifically banned from PvP as a lot of this behaviour is brought on by competitive play and hormones (these offenders are probably OK in PvE).
God bless this response!!
A little part of me cringes whenever I read somebody says “just ignore/block them”, “get over it”, “stop being a kitten” etc. I can’t help but think that these people are defending/excusing poor behaviour.
I’d totally understand “just ignore them” it if this was a very occassional problem, but most players know that PvP is riddled with awful language and behaviour. It puts a lot of people off PvP and it’s a shame.
Telling someone to “Go kill yourself” is absolutely terrible and shouldn’t be allowed, no matter if the receiver is “thick-skinned” or not. Just a couple of people throwing around insults in a match leaves a sour taste in most peoples’ mouths and ruins the ambience and fun (unless you enjoy people verbally attacking each other…)
Anyway, just blocking/not reporting these people just lets them get away with behaviour that we all would rather not see or be subjected to. A lot of them probably feel they are untouchable either because they aren’t being reported, or the report system is flawed (or, perhaps they are lying about being reported and not being punished just for added venom).
For poor behaviour like this, I definitely think they should be resonably punished, from a 3 day suspension or a permaban. However, I think what would be more fitting would be for people reported in PvP to be specifically banned from PvP as a lot of this behaviour is brought on by competitive play and hormones (these offenders are probably OK in PvE).
Since their ego seems to be bound up tight with PvP, the penalty should be a stack or three of dishonor while in PvE/WvW/Fractal, a suspension.
RIP City of Heroes
Snip myself.
Since their ego seems to be bound up tight with PvP, the penalty should be a stack or three of dishonor while in PvE/WvW/Fractal, a suspension.
This also seems pretty fair for the initial infraction. Suspension would definitely be the right move after multiple infractions.
The problem is, trolls flock to PvP as they know that the heightened tension amongst players is easy pickings for them. Would they care about the dishonour, do you think? Is a suspension from PvP/permaban from PvP a bit more weighty and substantial- would this sort of punishment be a preventative method too? Would they just move their trolling to somewhere else in game? (I realise that even though I ask this, trolling is very difficult to prevent in the game as a whole and my own solution probably doesn’t cover trolling prevention either).
But on the other hand, dishonour could be considered a tame punishment for some of the things that I’ve seen said to other players… PvP or not, it’s still verbal abuse/harassment and should be treated as such, no?
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This also seems pretty fair for the initial infraction. Suspension would definitely be the right move after multiple infractions.
The problem is, trolls flock to PvP as they know that the heightened tension amongst players is easy pickings for them. Would they care about the dishonour, do you think? Is a suspension from PvP/permaban from PvP a bit more weighty and substantial- would this sort of punishment be a preventative method too? Would they just move their trolling to somewhere else in game? (I realise that even though I ask this, trolling is very difficult to prevent in the game as a whole and my own solution probably doesn’t cover trolling prevention either).
But on the other hand, dishonour could be considered a tame punishment for some of the things that I’ve seen said to other players… PvP or not, it’s still verbal abuse/harassment and should be treated as such, no?
Well, I have some doubts that they would move their trolling to other aspects of the game. I know of players who exclusively PvP and I think that if these types of players were placed on a no-PvP suspension they would probably just log out and go do something else or play another game. I think some of them would do other things in-game but they probably would not do too much trolling of a personal nature (like telling people to kill themselves) simply because there really isn’t much of a competitive nature outside of PvP (excluding WvW), and that competitiveness is what brings about these high tensions. If they honestly want to bring their trolling to other aspects of the game then they’re running the risk of being reported AGAIN for misconduct and thus earning themselves a longer/harsher punishment, maybe even a permanent one if it really is necessary.
Dishonor is absolutely a tame punishment for first-time or tamer infractions. Suspension/banning is also fair for multiple infractions. I don’t think anyone here is saying that if you say something not nice to someone out of anger once, you should have your entire account stripped from you. There should be a fair system of punishments.
The Guild Wars 2 community is quite tame compared to some other gaming communities (World of Warcraft, League of Legends to name just two), but there are still bad eggs here and there, and they should be dealt with instead of letting them get swept under the rug. Incidentally, last night I had someone (a pug) intentionally afk in a match because we fell behind in the first MINUTE of the game and I asked in map chat that the other team report them and surprise, surprise, they said, “if I had a silver for every time I’ve been reported, I’d be the richest person in game.” People are actually proud of how many times they have been reported with no action taken against them. It’s just absurd!
Long post is long, my apologies.
I also report people like that OP. Can only hope more people do as well, so that something is actually done about them.
But, I guess, welcome to the new world society. Unfortunately those attitudes aren’t just in games or on the net anymore, but bleeding out into our real world interactions. Especially among our youth.
If you PvP, set you status to invisible and enjoy not getting whispers. If it is a specific person use Block.
The tools are there, not using them isn’t a valid complaint.
smack..Wut?…smack…smack…
If you PvP, set you status to invisible and enjoy not getting whispers. If it is a specific person use Block.
The tools are there, not using them isn’t a valid complaint.
Going invisible means that I cannot participate in guild chat, and I cannot PM friends who are not in my PvP party. It also means that potential people on my friends list who want to group up can’t ask or reply to me if I ask them, and it means that people in previous matches (if I have a partial team) cannot ask me to group up. I am not going to switch to invisible when I enter a match and then go back online when I get out of a match and I’m waiting in queue to talk in gchat and PM my friends. “Hold on guys, stop the convo right here, I’m gonna start a match now, gotta go invis.” That is ridiculous.
Going invisible isn’t a be-all, end-all solution. As I’ve said maybe a hundred times now, blocking people is not enough. It does not stop people from being inflammatory! It does not punish people! I think I’ve said this a hundred times now. Am I not speaking English or something?
Am I not speaking English or something?
No your writing in English.
If you take something as minor as someone telling you you to kill yourself to heart ( which you should prolly being calling the hotline rather than here), then you would have been destroyed by my friend when I showed him this thread LOL was brutal but hilarious. Feel free to share how you feel about what he said.
Am I not speaking English or something?
No your writing in English.
If you take something as minor as someone telling you you to kill yourself to heart ( which you should prolly being calling the hotline rather than here), then you would have been destroyed by my friend when I showed him this thread LOL was brutal but hilarious. Feel free to share how you feel about what he said.
You seem to neglect the fact that this is an international game with people from different backgrounds and different levels of sensitivity. I’m sure there are plenty of people who can tolerate being told “Go kill yourself” by a random stranger, but on the other hand there are also plenty of people who would find this upsetting or at the very least off-putting.
Just because you find these things hilarious doesn’t mean that this kind of abuse isn’t serious.
Even if you personally don’t care about flying insult/poor behaviour/personal attacks, it’s still against the ToS and comes under verbal abuse/harassment. Arena-net certainly doesn’t condone this type of behaviour, but at the same time it feels like Arena-net aren’t doing enough to prevent/reduce this type of behaviour. The problem is that people feel very brave sitting behind their keyboards because of the disconnect to humanity it allows (and thus a disconnect to morals and empathy).
Am I not speaking English or something?
No your writing in English.
If you take something as minor as someone telling you you to kill yourself to heart ( which you should prolly being calling the hotline rather than here), then you would have been destroyed by my friend when I showed him this thread LOL was brutal but hilarious. Feel free to share how you feel about what he said.
*You’re, probably
And yes, we get it. You think using hostile and rough talk is fine. However, you don’t speak for every person, and some people don’t care for that kind of talk.
People like to hide behind their anonymity and pretend to be tough guys because there are no repercussions. But its all fake because they would never act that way IRL where people would label them.
And thank you echo for making your support of nastiness clear so I can avoid you in-game. Luckily Anet and reasonable people don’t agree with you.
Am I not speaking English or something?
No your writing in English.
If you take something as minor as someone telling you you to kill yourself to heart ( which you should prolly being calling the hotline rather than here), then you would have been destroyed by my friend when I showed him this thread LOL was brutal but hilarious. Feel free to share how you feel about what he said.
*You’re, probably
And yes, we get it. You think using hostile and rough talk is fine. However, you don’t speak for every person, and some people don’t care for that kind of talk.
If you want to be a grammar commander you should know that you don’t start a sentence with and. ;-P
Well for starters Anet isn’t here to babysit you every time that you get your feelings hurt. They already have enough on their plate with spammers and speed hackers, that are still around, last thing they need to worry about is petty items when there are already multiple tools in place.
Dont want some pming you – block them
If you block someone, you will no longer see any messages they send through the following ways:
/say chat
/map chat
/whisper
/guild chat
/party chat
/team chat
/squad chat
In-game mail
Dont want to read map/team/say/emote chat – uncheck the box – interesting fact In all the time that Ive played I rarely had map/say chat checked, turns out you can still play the game SHOCKER :O
As I’ve already stated before verbal abuse is a grey area because of how people react. For example you’ve prolly referred to a random player as a pug thinking nothing of it, however there are players who find that as offensive name calling- guess what your guilty of verbal abuse. The trolls will have a field day instigating you to make snappy remarks to report verbal abuse if they were to do penalties on minor things like this.
The problem is that people feel very brave sitting behind their keyboards because of the disconnect to humanity it allows (and thus a disconnect to morals and empathy).
You have that backwards, You feel disconnected from humanity because you’ve lived a sheltered life behind your keyboard never actually experienced the unforgiving hostile environment outside. Your more than welcome to believe this would be different if in real life but the reality of it is that it wouldn’t be any different. Time to “man up” ( ha that one wasn’t in the list).
Am I not speaking English or something?
No your writing in English.
If you take something as minor as someone telling you you to kill yourself to heart ( which you should prolly being calling the hotline rather than here), then you would have been destroyed by my friend when I showed him this thread LOL was brutal but hilarious. Feel free to share how you feel about what he said.
*You’re, probably
And yes, we get it. You think using hostile and rough talk is fine. However, you don’t speak for every person, and some people don’t care for that kind of talk.
If you want to be a grammar commander you should know that you don’t start a sentence with and. ;-P
Well for starters Anet isn’t here to babysit you every time that you get your feelings hurt. They already have enough on their plate with spammers and speed hackers, that are still around, last thing they need to worry about is petty items when there are already multiple tools in place.
Dont want some pming you – block them
If you block someone, you will no longer see any messages they send through the following ways:
/say chat
/map chat
/whisper
/guild chat
/party chat
/team chat
/squad chat
In-game mailDont want to read map/team/say/emote chat – uncheck the box – interesting fact In all the time that Ive played I rarely had map/say chat checked, turns out you can still play the game SHOCKER :O
As I’ve already stated before verbal abuse is a grey area because of how people react. For example you’ve prolly referred to a random player as a pug thinking nothing of it, however there are players who find that as offensive name calling- guess what your guilty of verbal abuse. The trolls will have a field day instigating you to make snappy remarks to report verbal abuse if they were to do penalties on minor things like this.
The problem is that people feel very brave sitting behind their keyboards because of the disconnect to humanity it allows (and thus a disconnect to morals and empathy).
You have that backwards, You feel disconnected from humanity because you’ve lived a sheltered life behind your keyboard never actually experienced the unforgiving hostile environment outside. Your more than welcome to believe this would be different if in real life but the reality of it is that it wouldn’t be any different. Time to “man up” ( ha that one wasn’t in the list).
Beginning a sentence with a conjunction is perfectly acceptable. Feel free to look it up in various style guides if you so wish. Regardless, you nitpicked the OP for using “speaking” instead of “writing”. It seemed only fair to continue the nitpicking.
As I already said in this thread, I think the best course of action is to report, block, and move on. Generally, I have no issues with what I see being said in chat, and I’ve rarely had to block anyone, let alone hide an entire part of the chat. I also don’t think that Anet needs to babysit the chat so much as the OP seems to want.
However, I also think that people should at least try to behave like mature adults and not say things just to get a rise out of people. To use the earlier example given here, telling someone “kill yourself” even in a joking manner isn’t cute. It’s not witty. It’s simply being done because the person saying it has nothing better to do than troll other people. The lack of self-control and compassion is what bothers me, but I would not want any company to try to heavily police communication methods.
As for your statement that this wouldn’t be any different in real life, I strongly doubt that. Of course people can be and are total jerks in real life, too. However, a vast majority of the crap that is talked online is done so because people feel like they’re safe from any actual consequences. Sure, there are obviously a few people with no concept of self-preservation or decency who would go up to someone and say “You’re a ******. Kill yourself.” But the vast majority of people would only do such things from the safety of the internet, anonymous letters, or phone calls (hiding behind throwaway phone numbers).
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You expect the internet to be mature, emphatic and sympathetic? LOL you must be new. Here is about as much as you’ll ever get from random players, if you, me, that guy over there were to disappear tomorrow, a tear would not be shed, sleep would not be lost. They would still play and have fun doing whatever without a second thought, welcome to life.
Why do you doubt it? Barely able to handle silly petty things said in a video game, what makes you think they’d be able to handle it real life where their isn’t a block function and you cant turn chat off? Or is that the sheltered imagination is influencing the mind into thinking they’d be tougher in real life even though they can’t handle what is being said here. Yeah your right there are people who get bolder and tougher when they are safe sheltered behind their keyboards, there’s a few in this thread.
You can beg anet for action all you want but that’s not going to stop future incidents. you’ll eventually move onto new games where anet has no control, what will you do then? time to put on your big boy pants and learn coping skills.