Guild Wars 2

Just wondering if it would be possible to add another body type option (or two, depending on how you look at it), for female humans?

Going to call it/them “hourglass” and “athletic” for want of better names.

ATM, we basically have two variations on pear-shaped (at various weight options).

One variation has a small waist and the other has a larger waist.

I’m suggesting a third option, which would (or could) use the existing top halves, waists and upper hips of both of the existing options, but would then have straighter, less rounded, lower hips and slimmer outer thighs.

So, in the case of the existing smaller-waisted options, this would result in an hourglass type figure and in the case of the larger waisted options, it would result in an athletic type figure.

Thanks for your time.

You want to make … male players drooling on their female characters ? and … well … other stuff ? How they should play the game or being focused on other stuff like fractals ?

Chazz.6709:

You want to make … male players drooling on their female characters ? and … well … other stuff ? How they should play the game or being focused on other stuff like fractals ?

Um, no?

Also, why would they be drooling over them any more than they are now?

It’s just requesting a third option, for everyone.

Well was just saying … But yeah i think your suggestion will be sadly unheard by anet.I mean more variations at character creation are really nice and cool and make every class unique for example now almost every race got almost the same hairstyle ,face and so on … just the skin or well armor makes the diffrent.

Maybe there would be a problem with the bodies clipping through the armor if it exceeds the limits that the game has set for the current individual models. If so, all the armor would need to be reset to match, and therefore it would be unlikely we would have new body types.

I can’t support any change to human females given that it might remind Anet that they’re still in the game and cause them to be removed like 66% of their idle animations.

Chazz.6709:

Well was just saying … But yeah i think your suggestion will be sadly unheard by anet.I mean more variations at character creation are really nice and cool and make every class unique for example now almost every race got almost the same hairstyle ,face and so on … just the skin or well armor makes the diffrent.

Well, I was thinking about your concerns, while doing some EOTM and it did occur to me that it would probably not look realistic to make the existing slimmest body types have this option.

As they are so petite, in terms of their upper body and their wrists and ankles and so on, that this would really make them look too tiny, all over.

This is part of the reason I don’t use the smallest size – as they look so delicate.

I think you should try to maintain some kind of realism and certainly not risk promoting eating disorders, or unrealistic expectations in males…

But, I think it would be OK for the less small sizes.

I hope Anet will listen, if for no other reason that it would (almost certainly) give people more reason to buy their Total Makeover kits!

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Maybe there would be a problem with the bodies clipping through the armor if it exceeds the limits that the game has set for the current individual models. If so, all the armor would need to be reset to match, and therefore it would be unlikely we would have new body types.

This I obviously don’t know – maybe…

Although, this suggestion would obviously make the lower hips and outer thighs slightly smaller (not larger).

So, I would have thought it would reduce clipping issues, if anything?

Most of my clipping issues, on human female, have been from things clipping through her lower hips/thighs.

I’ve seen picture of female bottoms clipping through on the larger bodies so it can happen.

Human females suck. Only race/gender combination that I will never play.

kitten no, there’s enough sexualization of human females as there is

I think you should try to maintain some kind of realism and certainly not risk promoting eating disorders, or unrealistic expectations in males…

Just because a girl is thin doesn’t mean she has an eating disorder. If anything people mostly have the opposite disorder: overeating. Combined with sedentary lifestyles leads to a population that’s too fat. The average American female now weights 160 pounds, which is heavier than even the average male should weigh (A man who is 5’8" with an average frame should be 140-155 pounds whereas a 5’2" female should weigh 100-115 pounds assuming an average frame some people literally are big boned…as well as small boned)

Revolutionen.5693:

kitten no, there’s enough sexualization of human females as there is

Everything is (somehow) considered “sexualization” God forbid you actually like how a short skirt or tight pants look on a character.

Agemnon.4608:

Revolutionen.5693:

kitten no, there’s enough sexualization of human females as there is

Everything is (somehow) considered “sexualization” God forbid you actually like how a short skirt or tight pants look on a character.

There’s a lot more badkitten options for females in Gw2. Human female voice acting is HORRIBLE.
/imo

And besides, why would you choose the crummy female voice actor over Nolan North?

CadeRG.4508:

Agemnon.4608:

Revolutionen.5693:

kitten no, there’s enough sexualization of human females as there is

Everything is (somehow) considered “sexualization” God forbid you actually like how a short skirt or tight pants look on a character.

There’s a lot more badkitten options for females in Gw2. Human female voice acting is HORRIBLE.
/imo

And besides, why would you choose the crummy female voice actor over Nolan North?

I personally have a male human (and male charr and asura and female asura so far) but so many of the female humans in game look very nice and not all are sexualized. Female humans sound very confident and proud. I’m considering making a female revenant but change it to male eventually when I exhausted enough dye, armor, and outfit combinations. I do such on my male characters too (except for the gender swap of course) and my personal favorite is the lion charr warrior I made though I don’t care for how some dyes make heavy scale almost indistinguishable from worn scale.

Agemnon.4608:

CadeRG.4508:

Agemnon.4608:

Revolutionen.5693:

kitten no, there’s enough sexualization of human females as there is

Everything is (somehow) considered “sexualization” God forbid you actually like how a short skirt or tight pants look on a character.

There’s a lot more badkitten options for females in Gw2. Human female voice acting is HORRIBLE.
/imo

And besides, why would you choose the crummy female voice actor over Nolan North?

I personally have a male human (and male charr and asura and female asura so far) but so many of the female humans in game look very nice and not all are sexualized. Female humans sound very confident and proud. I’m considering making a female revenant but change it to male eventually when I exhausted enough dye, armor, and outfit combinations. I do such on my male characters too (except for the gender swap of course) and my personal favorite is the lion charr warrior I made though I don’t care for how some dyes make heavy scale almost indistinguishable from worn scale.

It’s very true that you can make a very nice looking female human; the noble dresses from the gem store look fantastic on them :o as does the wedding dress.

It’s just sad that most people would rather dress them like hookers than actually putting a decent effort into their look. That kinda ruins the character for me, turning me away from ever wanting to make one

First of all, there’s already a bodytype which is 100% hourglass-like. Hourglass means shoulders equally wide as the hips, big bust and curvy bodytype. Apart from the curvy hourglass bodytype, there’s a more skinny hourglass body to choose from. I’ll add pictures of these. Since when are less rounded hips more curvy? >.>

I really like the female bodies you can choose from when creating a character. Of course, as this is a game, they’re a little too perfect but I don’t expect the graphic designers to put those kind of details to the bodies and therefore I don’t mind. They are not all overly big busted (but you can choose from bodes with big bust), they have different waist sizes and are of different weights (it seems like.) There is even variations of the feet and hand sizes.

Pearshaped body means that the hips are wider than the shoulders. Some of the bodies you can choose for human female are pearshaped, but definitely not all of them. Some are more straight (square-shaped.) And then there’s the hourglasshaped. If you want an atlethic looking female sort-of-humanish character, just play as a short norn.

Revolutionen.5693:

kitten no, there’s enough sexualization of human females as there is

I seem to have understood something different from others here as to what the OP is saying.

It sounds to me like she is saying she wants slimmer hips and thighs to balance out the rest of the body? that the models as they are create extremes that are unrealistic.

This is not sexualising, in fact quite the opposite. It is reducing the waist to hip ratio so you don’t get the insane ‘barbie’ figures (or very bottom heavy).

Did I misunderstand?

Btw, there’s nothing wrong with the female human voice. I like it a lot. I just wish I choose to have Marjory’s voice on my char. It’s so calm and soothing.

Except those hourglass bodies aren’t just ‘a little too perfect’ they are hugely unrealistic. That waist size is something a woman could only obtain through corset waist training…

… Which is how the hourglass figure was created. :P Through the use of corsets!
There is very few women in real life who have a body like that. And those who do are still not close to what is seen as the perfect hourglass figure.
Of course I see that there’s a problem with having these kind of choices even though this is just a game, but then we should be criticizing the fact that they even exist in the game instead of just trying to make Anet do new ones. But since there are already quite a few options to choose which is not hugely unrealistic I can deal with the fact that some are. Apart from other games GW2 is highly progressive in how they portray female characters, even though there are some things that could be changed to make it even better.

Looks like Anet consulted with Sir Mix-a-Lot when they designed the human females.

Oh sure, yeah I agree people should be able to choose those if they want, personally I favour norn female, I find them more attractive in both figure and face and relate to them easier (apart from the rather huge boobs but at least it fits their frame) , so what people want for human female doesn’t bother me, I just don’t play them.
I’m not complaining, just wanted to point out those figures are just a bit crazy and it would be nice to have toned down versions.

If they could add body types and faces with a few fat, would be cool for making rich/old noble ladies.

I agree that norn females have better choices in terms of both body and face. Human females are mostly (not all, but at least half of them) babyfaced, wheres the norn female faces looks more adult and also does the norn bodytypes come across as more realistic to me. Maybe Anet did this on purpose. O.o
I just prefer playing as human because a like their personal story better. I like that there’s a focus on social class.

Kulvar.1239:

If they could add body types and faces with a few fat, would be cool for making rich/old noble ladies.

They have a “fatter” body option, and a face that resembles an older women with wrinkles and such.

I like the hourglass option if it would be added for females as long as it looks natural. But what I would really like is a breastsize for female Norn that isn’t as big as they pretty much all are now. Not talking about really small breasts, though I would welcome that option. Just not all of them being on the big to huge side as they are now.

But yeah all over I think the norn have the best female costumisation options.

as for female humans, or really females all over. Some more adult faces would be nice too. They are almost all in the child/teenager/young adult range. I get that most mmo’s feel they have to make all woman pretty/sexy. But that does not have to be all young in my opinion.

How about a plea to get a more extensive character customisation. More of everything!
There are people who love spending time fine tuning their character and may or may not want to be a carbon copy of sombody else. Which brings us to the very limited variety of clothing in the game.
Of course there are people who skip in character customisation, name their character something like ‘I Stealth You Die’ and run around in CoF armor spamming profanities. But let us try to forget those exist.
I find the game lacking in options in general when it comes to customisation of how the character can look. In a game where getting the gear you want/need is easy and changing appearance on clothing is easy, it becomes alot more important to not look like everybody else.

I’ll only support this if male humans get another shape like the muscled one where the legs are also more muscled and not like the chicken legs we have now.

I will be happy just with the plump one having plump boobs. Like typical plump girls in RL…

CadeRG.4508:

Agemnon.4608:

CadeRG.4508:

Agemnon.4608:

Revolutionen.5693:

kitten no, there’s enough sexualization of human females as there is

Everything is (somehow) considered “sexualization” God forbid you actually like how a short skirt or tight pants look on a character.

There’s a lot more badkitten options for females in Gw2. Human female voice acting is HORRIBLE.
/imo

And besides, why would you choose the crummy female voice actor over Nolan North?

I personally have a male human (and male charr and asura and female asura so far) but so many of the female humans in game look very nice and not all are sexualized. Female humans sound very confident and proud. I’m considering making a female revenant but change it to male eventually when I exhausted enough dye, armor, and outfit combinations. I do such on my male characters too (except for the gender swap of course) and my personal favorite is the lion charr warrior I made though I don’t care for how some dyes make heavy scale almost indistinguishable from worn scale.

It’s very true that you can make a very nice looking female human; the noble dresses from the gem store look fantastic on them :o as does the wedding dress.

It’s just sad that most people would rather dress them like hookers than actually putting a decent effort into their look. That kinda ruins the character for me, turning me away from ever wanting to make one

Wedding dress and noble countess are my personal favorites. I like the classy look. I’ve seen some nice light (especially cultural kitten, and aurora), medium (rogue and priory), and heavy (T3, heavy scale, and carapace) armor sets for females you just have to find the right parts and dyes.

Revolutionen.5693:

kitten no, there’s enough sexualization of human females as there is

I’m not suggesting “sexualising” them further.

Just representing different body types.

Not all women are pear shaped, you know.

ekkue.3754:

I seem to have understood something different from others here as to what the OP is saying.

It sounds to me like she is saying she wants slimmer hips and thighs to balance out the rest of the body? that the models as they are create extremes that are unrealistic.

This is not sexualising, in fact quite the opposite. It is reducing the waist to hip ratio so you don’t get the insane ‘barbie’ figures (or very bottom heavy).

Did I misunderstand?

Exactly.

I’m not really suggesting sexualising, or desexualising them; just offering other body type optons.

Ones that do also exist naturally, IRL, after all.

I’m also kind of surprised that people view anything other than variations of pear shaped as “sexualised”?

…and like you, I would have thought that very curvy bottom halves would be considered, by many, as being more sexual, if anything?

Less curvy lower hips are normally considered to be more “athletic”, than overtly sexual, surely?

Paralux.6714:

First of all, there’s already a bodytype which is 100% hourglass-like. Hourglass means shoulders equally wide as the hips, big bust and curvy bodytype. Apart from the curvy hourglass bodytype, there’s a more skinny hourglass body to choose from. I’ll add pictures of these. Since when are less rounded hips more curvy? >.>

I really like the female bodies you can choose from when creating a character. Of course, as this is a game, they’re a little too perfect but I don’t expect the graphic designers to put those kind of details to the bodies and therefore I don’t mind. They are not all overly big busted (but you can choose from bodes with big bust), they have different waist sizes and are of different weights (it seems like.) There is even variations of the feet and hand sizes.

Pearshaped body means that the hips are wider than the shoulders. Some of the bodies you can choose for human female are pearshaped, but definitely not all of them. Some are more straight (square-shaped.) And then there’s the hourglasshaped. If you want an atlethic looking female sort-of-humanish character, just play as a short norn.

The ones you picture are what I have always considered to be “pear-shaped”.

I live in the UK, though, maybe we have a different view on things?

One of those body types is the one I have chosen, as I prefer the slightly wider shoulders; but, she still has very rounded, curvy lower hips.

Which is fine, but I just think there should be more options than curvy pear, or straighter pear.

I’m surprised this has sparked such controversy, TBH.

BTW, I don’t really want to play a short Norn, as I don’t like that they have virtually no hips at all (especially the upper part).

I’m not trying to remove human hips entirely, I’m just suggesting they provide options with slightly less full lower ones.

Also, I prefer the human racial dance – it’s far more complex and actually corresponds with the music I play in the background.

Iarrau.8197:

How about a plea to get a more extensive character customisation. More of everything!
There are people who love spending time fine tuning their character and may or may not want to be a carbon copy of sombody else. Which brings us to the very limited variety of clothing in the game.
Of course there are people who skip in character customisation, name their character something like ‘I Stealth You Die’ and run around in CoF armor spamming profanities. But let us try to forget those exist.
I find the game lacking in options in general when it comes to customisation of how the character can look. In a game where getting the gear you want/need is easy and changing appearance on clothing is easy, it becomes alot more important to not look like everybody else.

Would be nice, but I expect complete customisation options really would be asking too much, at this stage, sadly.

Tapioca.9062:

I can’t support any change to human females given that it might remind Anet that they’re still in the game and cause them to be removed like 66% of their idle animations.

This.

Tigaseye.2047:

Just wondering if it would be possible to add another body type option (or two, depending on how you look at it), for female humans?

Going to call it/them “hourglass” and “athletic” for want of better names.

ATM, we basically have two variations on pear-shaped (at various weight options).

One variation has a small waist and the other has a larger waist.

I’m suggesting a third option, which would (or could) use the existing top halves, waists and upper hips of both of the existing options, but would then have straighter, less rounded, lower hips and slimmer outer thighs.

So, in the case of the existing smaller-waisted options, this would result in an hourglass type figure and in the case of the larger waisted options, it would result in an athletic type figure.

Thanks for your time.

How about Anet just give us the ability to custom our character like how its done in the mmo call black desert. I’m sure most people will jumping for joy if it were to ever happen.

Dikeido.8436:

Tigaseye.2047:

Just wondering if it would be possible to add another body type option (or two, depending on how you look at it), for female humans?

Going to call it/them “hourglass” and “athletic” for want of better names.

ATM, we basically have two variations on pear-shaped (at various weight options).

One variation has a small waist and the other has a larger waist.

I’m suggesting a third option, which would (or could) use the existing top halves, waists and upper hips of both of the existing options, but would then have straighter, less rounded, lower hips and slimmer outer thighs.

So, in the case of the existing smaller-waisted options, this would result in an hourglass type figure and in the case of the larger waisted options, it would result in an athletic type figure.

Thanks for your time.

How about Anet just give us the ability to custom our character like how its done in the mmo call black desert. I’m sure most people will jumping for joy if it were to ever happen.

Never tried that, but ESO’s one is pretty good, too.

But, doubt that will ever happen in this game…

Maybe in GW3?

Ardid.7203:

I will be happy just with the plump one having plump boobs. Like typical plump girls in RL…

This is a good point, actually.

It’s good that they also provide bigger body types; but, again, they are both (think there are two?) very pear shaped.

Like all women, pretty much exclusively, put on weight on their hips, thighs and butts and the only way to have bigger boobs (even if you’re not thin/slim) is via breast implants.

It’s a very narrow view, in general.

Obviously, there are far more variations of female body types, in existence, than they could ever hope to implement in-game (without customisation sliders), but that doesn’t mean there couldn’t be a few more options.

Dikeido.8436:

Tigaseye.2047:

Just wondering if it would be possible to add another body type option (or two, depending on how you look at it), for female humans?

Going to call it/them “hourglass” and “athletic” for want of better names.

ATM, we basically have two variations on pear-shaped (at various weight options).

One variation has a small waist and the other has a larger waist.

I’m suggesting a third option, which would (or could) use the existing top halves, waists and upper hips of both of the existing options, but would then have straighter, less rounded, lower hips and slimmer outer thighs.

So, in the case of the existing smaller-waisted options, this would result in an hourglass type figure and in the case of the larger waisted options, it would result in an athletic type figure.

Thanks for your time.

How about Anet just give us the ability to custom our character like how its done in the mmo call black desert. I’m sure most people will jumping for joy if it were to ever happen.

Would be way too much work and not enough profit for Anet.

You’re talking about introducing a full out slider system instead of presets. That means, overhauling every race and how they are designed, and on top of that, having to redo every armor and outfit out there.

They are already stingy as it is with making new armors (we only get two with the new expansion), imagine if they had to redo every single armor in the game and outfit just to match the new slider system, after they had to redo every single race as well.

This is something that should be done during development, not afterwards. As much as I would like to see a slider system (even those like Black Desert or Eve), it would more than likely never happen.

I thought the idea about the hourglass body (why it is so popular worldwide) was that it’s considered very feminine because of the wide hips (which is a sign if fertility) together with a bigger bust along with the symmetry of the shoulders and hips. First celebs I come to think of is Monroe and Johansson. I’ve never considered the typical hourglass to be a athletic one with less wider hips ane more muscles (if that’s what you mean.) Maybe I’m being conservative, but I think that there’s a certain concept behind that figure, and that is that it’s not meant to be skinny/athletic. Not obese either, but with fat divided symmetrical throughout the body with less around the waist.

To be honest, how about in stead of more slight variations on “athletic with varying muscle tone or breast sizes” we actually add some fat people to the game?

Male and female, all races. It always makes me sad when I can’t make fat mages.

Paralux.6714:

I thought the idea about the hourglass body (why it is so popular worldwide) was that it’s considered very feminine because of the wide hips (which is a sign if fertility) together with a bigger bust along with the symmetry of the shoulders and hips. First celebs I come to think of is Monroe and Johansson. I’ve never considered the typical hourglass to be a athletic one with less wider hips ane more muscles (if that’s what you mean.) Maybe I’m being conservative, but I think that there’s a certain concept behind that figure, and that is that it’s not meant to be skinny/athletic. Not obese either, but with fat divided symmetrical throughout the body with less around the waist.

Well, in the UK, if your hips are as wide as your shoulders (and especially if they are very rounded), you are generally described as “pear-shaped”.

Basically, bottom-heavy, in terms of measurements, unless you have very large breasts to somewhat balance it out.

What we tend to think of as “hourglass”, is an evenly balanced body, with slightly straighter lower hips (like the shape of an actual hourglass), where the bust and hip measurements are roughly equal.

Except in the case of someone with very large breasts, where the bust measurement may be slightly larger.

…but, let’s not get bogged down in semantics, here.

If you don’t like the term “hourglass”, for what I’m describing, that’s fine.

BTW, I’m also not suggesting a very muscular body, here – “athletic” is just intended as a description of the shape of the hips/thighs.

It is not intended to refer to the amount of muscle mass, or to weight.

Flat chested thin, pear shape, hourglass shape, slightly overweight.