Guild Wars 2

Cloud.7613:

I think you missed the point.

“People simply aren’t forgiving.”

And Vayne is completely right. Professionals follow through with their bosses commands. No one ever looks at Colin’s perspective, they just spend hours calling him a liar. Did Colin decide that GW2 wasn’t making enough possible money and it needed to be changed? We don’t know, nor will we ever know who decided that, but people still decide to personally attack him and expect he’d be a rubber band and come back every day for abuse? That goes for all GW2 staff, the forum is toxic from people who are stonewalled into believing their own opinions and attack even fellow players for straying from THEIR path.

A professional stands strong publicly no matter the possible duress and the staff has done that in amazing fashion. You can believe what you like, but you’re painting a very detailed picture of why GW2 player base needs to rethink attacking one man is going to solve not only a game issue, but a community issue.

And you’ve missed my point. I chose to disregard the, “People aren’t forgiving.” comment just as I would if Vayne had said, “Water is wet.” It would have been just as relevant to my point.

Of course, professionals do what upper management says — or they resign, if they feel they can’t. I’m not sure what Colin’s personal feelings have to do with this. Few, if any of us know him personally. You don’t seem to understand that the negative comments mention his name because he was/is the public voice of the company who made the statements. If there’s an attack going on, it’s an attack on the company. I’m sure Colin understands this, even if you don’t. If there are personal attacks being posted, I haven’t seen them — but if they’re there, kindly do no not lump me in with those people.

Vayne.8563:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Vayne.8563:

But I’m saying that for the dev, it wasn’t the focus. They might not even realize how strong that was, or how important it was to the game design from the perspective of players. Again, when you take the game as a whole, there’s a lot going on. What are the odds your priorities and the devs are identical?

There’s been a huge amount of uproar and “discussion” centered around gear. It started with the, “Nothing to work for, no endgame, no progression” posts last fall, went through a huge outcry about Ascended that prompted an AMA to respond, and has been an ongoing issue since. There were many threads about dailies — which would not have been an issue except for laurels. There was a recent consolidation of threads about Ascended into a 20 page thread that I can no longer find. Since the Ascended weapon pre-patch blog, there have been a lot of pro and con threads/posts.

Statements about the role of gear, exotics being top tier, max stat gear being easy to get and horizontal/cosmetic progression being the motivation to continue playing were important enough to be seen as selling points pre-launch.

If Colin is unaware or only peripherally aware of how important this subject is, then he’s not doing his job as Game Director. Suggesting that the Game Director is not aware of the details surrounding a controversial issue that is dividing community opinion is either disingenuous or insulting to his professionalism.

Anet lacks focus and they’re terribad at communication…

Actually, I think this is the core issue in a nutshell.

Ashen.2907:

Cloud.7613:

I think you missed the point.

“People simply aren’t forgiving.”

And Vayne is completely right. Professionals follow through with their bosses commands. No one ever looks at Colin’s perspective, they just spend hours calling him a liar. Did Colin decide that GW2 wasn’t making enough possible money and it needed to be changed? We don’t know, nor will we ever know who decided that, but people still decide to personally attack him and expect he’d be a rubber band and come back every day for abuse? That goes for all GW2 staff, the forum is toxic from people who are stonewalled into believing their own opinions and attack even fellow players for straying from THEIR path.

A professional stands strong publicly no matter the possible duress and the staff has done that in amazing fashion. You can believe what you like, but you’re painting a very detailed picture of why GW2 player base needs to rethink attacking one man is going to solve not only a game issue, but a community issue.

I would be more forgiving of the company deciding that it needed to change its product, for whatever reason, if it was not attempting to spin the change by claiming that the original design intent used to help sell the product never existed.

This is what companies do. No company comes out and says we’re going to make this change, no matter what you think. They try to mitigate damage. It’s what business always does.

Sure you can yell and scream at them for it, or be disappointed, but I’m not really sure what else you’d expect a big company to do.

Vayne.8563:

A lot of the changes in the game has made it less fun and more grind. While the grind is optional…it’s only borderline optional. That is to say, there’s pressure to get achievements, pressure to get certain gear. If some of that pressure is self-inflicted by players, well, it’s still pressure.

I’d be interested to know whether people feel that, say, there is more pressure on GW2 players to get achievements that there was on GW1 players to get brutally grindy titles like Cartographer and Vanquisher?

Morrigan.2809:

Vayne.8563:

But this one strut wasn’t nearly as important as say, creating a living breathing world. That was front and center. Dynamic events, that was front and center. Even the personal story, that was front and center.

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that was the strength of the game at launch.

Even though they have since added Living Story to support the idea of a living breathing world- I feel that it doesn’t really have that effect in the game.

They have certainly moved away from DE’s and the personal story.

To me it feels like the game never actually developed it’s original ideas- instead they went for a formula that has been around for ages and many of us are tired of.
Honestly I think that is the reason for most of the anger.
for a while there we had what we wanted only to watch it evaporate in front of our eyes only to be replaced by McDonald’s

i miss the personal story stuff. i don’t feel like a hero anymore. the living story is complete horsekitten. game definitely feels less epic.

Vayne.8563:

No company comes out and says we’re going to make this change, no matter what you think.

I would respect them more for that than what they are saying. “We are doing X because it is our game and we think that doing X will be best for the game, and for our business and there just really isn’t anything you can say to change our mind” is much better than claiming one thing to get my money and then denying the original claim at a later date.

For whakittens worth:
I am not yelling.
Not screaming.
I am disappointed.
I am not spending money.
I am not encouraging friends to buy the game.
I am discouraging friends from buying the game.

Best case scenario is if they asked the community about the biggest changes. I dont mean that they have to listen to everything the community says but if they do make a big change they should at least have some kind of debate about it. have some kind of back and forth between players and devs

Just being real with you guys here. As long as players are speaking with their wallets and pouring time and money into the game, the devs have no reason to change their decisions or explain anything to you guys. If you want to blame anyone for how the game turned out, blame everyone who is playing right now (including me). The best thing to do is either stop playin(the only effective way to change things) or just live with it at this point and keep playing.

Gizmo.9178:

Just being real with you guys here. As long as players are speaking with their wallets and pouring time and money into the game, the devs have no reason to change their decisions or explain anything to you guys. If you want to blame anyone for how the game turned out, blame everyone who is playing right now (including me). The best thing to do is either stop playin(the only effective way to change things) or just live with it at this point and keep playing.

Also, most of these threads are possibly ignored since many players will talk about how they are disappointed with the game but will still be playing and buying things. So why should they care? This is just an opinion so don’t get all fired up

( My oppinion)

I’ll tell you why i think this game has changed; to start, for the worst.

First, get rid of the remaining gw1 stakitten .

Second, impliment Elitist Egp-Savy mechanics into the class mechanics and the world of tyra.

Third- Nerf farm areas to the ground

Fourth, Nerf a class whose trying to Survive to the ground, including its pets and spirits

Fifth, Unleach Lagging and Crashes accross board for inducing cashflow

6th- Praising, Encouraging and Supporting Elitism and Egoism

7. Ignore Important problems and its core for the sake of Improving the Elitist Favor classes instead.

8. Allowing and Permitting 1 class to Control and Abuse game mechancis and class mechanics— nowonder why bots exists because of this.. why not? Arena,net wants to play Favoritism so why not be the same as well. Lately ive been seeing alot of non-thieves, non-mesmers, non-elementalists and non-warriors bots in wvw and pve…

Why Report them when Warriors and Thieves can do about the same and be granted ammunity and support by Arena.net? 1 year past and all the reporting of thieves and warriors being out of control has resulted in Punishments, so again, why report bots?

The bots feels Under-Appreciative and treated as garbage, do u blame them?
Of course not!

(I’m not saying bots are ‘the good guys or good", all i’m saying is that i don’t blame thier cause).

I do know that bots use cheating mechanics to get what they want and to get away with it, does this remind you okittenass that does the same with Perma-stealth, Unlitmitted Exterme critiic dps or even better; ability to revers Time?

Or another who have near unlimitted perma-stuns and near perma-dps with extreme mobilities precisions?

Of course! you do..

In other word, these 2 classes are largely blamed for bots and for relasing problems in wvw..

Sorry i went too far but refocusing to the OP thead, this game has changed to the worst base on those mentioned reasons and others

Are you people joking? Do you seriously need Arenanet telling you that whatever design decisions they did they did because they think/thought it was what was best for the game? why else would they do it? what other possible reason could there be?

I imagine some of you would say profit but please, this is an MMO, MMOs are a long term investment, maximizing profits today by sacrificing the future would be ridiculous and no one is every going to do that no one. Not just that but they did plenty of things for the good of the game that ultimately ended up costing them money like say the wallet system and they did that out of their own initiative there wasnt even an outcry for it. The Crafting through bank and then the Discovery through the bank. Removal of exclusive skins you could only get through cash shop. And more. If they didnt care about the future of the game and only focused on maximizing profit today, they’d never have done any of that.

Everything they do, they do because they believe it will make the game better and more pleasurable. Its obvious, there is no need for them to come out and say it.

Banquetto.9521:

Vayne.8563:

A lot of the changes in the game has made it less fun and more grind. While the grind is optional…it’s only borderline optional. That is to say, there’s pressure to get achievements, pressure to get certain gear. If some of that pressure is self-inflicted by players, well, it’s still pressure.

I’d be interested to know whether people feel that, say, there is more pressure on GW2 players to get achievements that there was on GW1 players to get brutally grindy titles like Cartographer and Vanquisher?

Now this is something I can say with some certainty. There is definitely more pressure in this game than there was in the last game. That’s a fact. Just the fact that the dailies and the world events are so in your face, and that achievement points have become such a thing, it’s definitely more pressure.

One of the things I like less about this game than Guild Wars 1.

But it’s still something you can choose to ignore. It’s just harder.

Galen Grey.4709:

Are you people joking? Do you seriously need Arenanet telling you that whatever design decisions they did they did because they think/thought it was what was best for the game? why else would they do it? what other possible reason could there be?

I imagine some of you would say profit but please, this is an MMO, MMOs are a long term investment, maximizing profits today by sacrificing the future would be ridiculous and no one is every going to do that no one. Not just that but they did plenty of things for the good of the game that ultimately ended up costing them money like say the wallet system and they did that out of their own initiative there wasnt even an outcry for it. The Crafting through bank and then the Discovery through the bank. Removal of exclusive skins you could only get through cash shop. And more. If they didnt care about the future of the game and only focused on maximizing profit today, they’d never have done any of that.

Everything they do, they do because they believe it will make the game better and more pleasurable. Its obvious, there is no need for them to come out and say it.

Thats EXACTLY what they are doing, short term maximizing profits in the west and moving focus to the east.

Are you so out of touch of everything? Its NCSoft were talking about rofl.

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

Are you people joking? Do you seriously need Arenanet telling you that whatever design decisions they did they did because they think/thought it was what was best for the game? why else would they do it? what other possible reason could there be?

I imagine some of you would say profit but please, this is an MMO, MMOs are a long term investment, maximizing profits today by sacrificing the future would be ridiculous and no one is every going to do that no one. Not just that but they did plenty of things for the good of the game that ultimately ended up costing them money like say the wallet system and they did that out of their own initiative there wasnt even an outcry for it. The Crafting through bank and then the Discovery through the bank. Removal of exclusive skins you could only get through cash shop. And more. If they didnt care about the future of the game and only focused on maximizing profit today, they’d never have done any of that.

Everything they do, they do because they believe it will make the game better and more pleasurable. Its obvious, there is no need for them to come out and say it.

Thats EXACTLY what they are doing, short term maximizing profits in the west and moving focus to the east.

Are you so out of touch of everything? Its NCSoft were talking about rofl.

And you know this how? Again, statements with nothing to back it up but your perceptions.

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

Are you people joking? Do you seriously need Arenanet telling you that whatever design decisions they did they did because they think/thought it was what was best for the game? why else would they do it? what other possible reason could there be?

I imagine some of you would say profit but please, this is an MMO, MMOs are a long term investment, maximizing profits today by sacrificing the future would be ridiculous and no one is every going to do that no one. Not just that but they did plenty of things for the good of the game that ultimately ended up costing them money like say the wallet system and they did that out of their own initiative there wasnt even an outcry for it. The Crafting through bank and then the Discovery through the bank. Removal of exclusive skins you could only get through cash shop. And more. If they didnt care about the future of the game and only focused on maximizing profit today, they’d never have done any of that.

Everything they do, they do because they believe it will make the game better and more pleasurable. Its obvious, there is no need for them to come out and say it.

Thats EXACTLY what they are doing, short term maximizing profits in the west and moving focus to the east.

Are you so out of touch of everything? Its NCSoft were talking about rofl.

“maximizing profits”

You said it right,

Keep the cash flow going and ignore Problems.

1 year+ is all the Evidence and Broken Mechanics that’s needed.

Vayne.8563:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

Are you people joking? Do you seriously need Arenanet telling you that whatever design decisions they did they did because they think/thought it was what was best for the game? why else would they do it? what other possible reason could there be?

I imagine some of you would say profit but please, this is an MMO, MMOs are a long term investment, maximizing profits today by sacrificing the future would be ridiculous and no one is every going to do that no one. Not just that but they did plenty of things for the good of the game that ultimately ended up costing them money like say the wallet system and they did that out of their own initiative there wasnt even an outcry for it. The Crafting through bank and then the Discovery through the bank. Removal of exclusive skins you could only get through cash shop. And more. If they didnt care about the future of the game and only focused on maximizing profit today, they’d never have done any of that.

Everything they do, they do because they believe it will make the game better and more pleasurable. Its obvious, there is no need for them to come out and say it.

Thats EXACTLY what they are doing, short term maximizing profits in the west and moving focus to the east.

Are you so out of touch of everything? Its NCSoft were talking about rofl.

And you know this how? Again, statements with nothing to back it up but your perceptions.

“Perceptions”? rofl

What they are doing is very real. You get a nice taste of it, expect more to come soon

MikaHR.1978:

Vayne.8563:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

Are you people joking? Do you seriously need Arenanet telling you that whatever design decisions they did they did because they think/thought it was what was best for the game? why else would they do it? what other possible reason could there be?

I imagine some of you would say profit but please, this is an MMO, MMOs are a long term investment, maximizing profits today by sacrificing the future would be ridiculous and no one is every going to do that no one. Not just that but they did plenty of things for the good of the game that ultimately ended up costing them money like say the wallet system and they did that out of their own initiative there wasnt even an outcry for it. The Crafting through bank and then the Discovery through the bank. Removal of exclusive skins you could only get through cash shop. And more. If they didnt care about the future of the game and only focused on maximizing profit today, they’d never have done any of that.

Everything they do, they do because they believe it will make the game better and more pleasurable. Its obvious, there is no need for them to come out and say it.

Thats EXACTLY what they are doing, short term maximizing profits in the west and moving focus to the east.

Are you so out of touch of everything? Its NCSoft were talking about rofl.

And you know this how? Again, statements with nothing to back it up but your perceptions.

“Perceptions”? rofl

What they are doing is very real. You get a nice taste of it, expect more to come soon

Yes, Sir, perceptions. That’s precisely what they are. You think you’re right. Only time will tell.

I think you’re wrong. Only time will tell.

But laughing at what everyone else is saying just because it doesn’t agree with what you are saying definitely doesn’t make it more likely you are correct.

Burnfall.9573:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

Are you people joking? Do you seriously need Arenanet telling you that whatever design decisions they did they did because they think/thought it was what was best for the game? why else would they do it? what other possible reason could there be?

I imagine some of you would say profit but please, this is an MMO, MMOs are a long term investment, maximizing profits today by sacrificing the future would be ridiculous and no one is every going to do that no one. Not just that but they did plenty of things for the good of the game that ultimately ended up costing them money like say the wallet system and they did that out of their own initiative there wasnt even an outcry for it. The Crafting through bank and then the Discovery through the bank. Removal of exclusive skins you could only get through cash shop. And more. If they didnt care about the future of the game and only focused on maximizing profit today, they’d never have done any of that.

Everything they do, they do because they believe it will make the game better and more pleasurable. Its obvious, there is no need for them to come out and say it.

Thats EXACTLY what they are doing, short term maximizing profits in the west and moving focus to the east.

Are you so out of touch of everything? Its NCSoft were talking about rofl.

“maximizing profits”

You said it right, it’s all about thatand was always that.

Keep the cash flow going and ignore Problems.

Yah, thats what you do when you wan to perform – cashgrab. NCSoft doesnt care for the west market for GW2 any more, they seem satisfied with what they got so far, and i guess they will continue getting something of it, there will always be a few Vaynes out there, but east…thats the target audience and focus.

Oh, and NCSfot has a new contender for the west, dont presume they wont have anything – Wildstar.

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

Are you people joking? Do you seriously need Arenanet telling you that whatever design decisions they did they did because they think/thought it was what was best for the game? why else would they do it? what other possible reason could there be?

I imagine some of you would say profit but please, this is an MMO, MMOs are a long term investment, maximizing profits today by sacrificing the future would be ridiculous and no one is every going to do that no one. Not just that but they did plenty of things for the good of the game that ultimately ended up costing them money like say the wallet system and they did that out of their own initiative there wasnt even an outcry for it. The Crafting through bank and then the Discovery through the bank. Removal of exclusive skins you could only get through cash shop. And more. If they didnt care about the future of the game and only focused on maximizing profit today, they’d never have done any of that.

Everything they do, they do because they believe it will make the game better and more pleasurable. Its obvious, there is no need for them to come out and say it.

Thats EXACTLY what they are doing, short term maximizing profits in the west and moving focus to the east.

Are you so out of touch of everything? Its NCSoft were talking about rofl.

Ohh please. Then why do the wallet system which essentially gives everyone 11 free bank slots minimum. For a lot of people A lot more then 11 because people had stacks of Badges of honors and dungeon tokens. Thats essentially giving everyone 14euros+ worth of bank space for free. Multiple millions worth of potential profit opportunity removed right there. How does that align with your vision of them sacrificing the future for short term profit? If they wanted to sacrifice the future for short term profit would they instead leave things as they are and increase drop rate dramatically of these tokens?

How about the crafting?
there are 102 different cooking materials. You can have at best 100 slots on a single character without buying extra slots. Those 102 material further craft 111 new intermediary materials which are also needed for discovering new recipes. Without that change it would be very annoying borderline impossible to level up cooking without buying all storage tabs and putting in 20 bag slots in each. Thats 10 euros for the extra slots and you also need 70g+ for the bags which means also some potential gems → gold conversion. More millions of potential profits sacrificed for the good of the game.

Halloween, the nice skins like chainsaw greatsword skin you could only get through the blcs no other way. People didnt like that naturally so again Arenanet listened and they made it so each time you could also earn it by playing the game althrough a rare chance of it and you can also sell / buy it off TP again… millions sacrificed for the good of the game.

There’s 3 example when they have thrown away the opportunity to do millions for the good of the game. Whats your example of how they’re damaging the game so they do ton of profit now? Ascended weapons where ingredients are account bound so no amount of gem → gold conversion will help you get there?

MikaHR.1978:

Burnfall.9573:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

Are you people joking? Do you seriously need Arenanet telling you that whatever design decisions they did they did because they think/thought it was what was best for the game? why else would they do it? what other possible reason could there be?

I imagine some of you would say profit but please, this is an MMO, MMOs are a long term investment, maximizing profits today by sacrificing the future would be ridiculous and no one is every going to do that no one. Not just that but they did plenty of things for the good of the game that ultimately ended up costing them money like say the wallet system and they did that out of their own initiative there wasnt even an outcry for it. The Crafting through bank and then the Discovery through the bank. Removal of exclusive skins you could only get through cash shop. And more. If they didnt care about the future of the game and only focused on maximizing profit today, they’d never have done any of that.

Everything they do, they do because they believe it will make the game better and more pleasurable. Its obvious, there is no need for them to come out and say it.

Thats EXACTLY what they are doing, short term maximizing profits in the west and moving focus to the east.

Are you so out of touch of everything? Its NCSoft were talking about rofl.

“maximizing profits”

You said it right, it’s all about thatand was always that.

Keep the cash flow going and ignore Problems.

Yah, thats what you do when you wan to perform – cashgrab. NCSoft doesnt care for the west market for GW2 any more, they seem satisfied with what they got so far, and i guess they will continue getting something of it, there will always be a few Vaynes out there, but east…thats the target audience and focus.

Oh, and NCSfot has a new contender for the west, dont presume they wont have anything – Wildstar.

Yeah sure, I mean who would care about a game that could potentially earn you $100m a year from gem sales alone! Over $200m if you sell an expansion in the future. Why would they care about Gw2? its just their second most profitable game in the whole world and the Most profitable game in the West after all. Its obvious they’re giving up on it.

If East wast the target focus why not release there first?

Seriously what gives you this idea?

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

Burnfall.9573:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

Are you people joking? Do you seriously need Arenanet telling you that whatever design decisions they did they did because they think/thought it was what was best for the game? why else would they do it? what other possible reason could there be?

I imagine some of you would say profit but please, this is an MMO, MMOs are a long term investment, maximizing profits today by sacrificing the future would be ridiculous and no one is every going to do that no one. Not just that but they did plenty of things for the good of the game that ultimately ended up costing them money like say the wallet system and they did that out of their own initiative there wasnt even an outcry for it. The Crafting through bank and then the Discovery through the bank. Removal of exclusive skins you could only get through cash shop. And more. If they didnt care about the future of the game and only focused on maximizing profit today, they’d never have done any of that.

Everything they do, they do because they believe it will make the game better and more pleasurable. Its obvious, there is no need for them to come out and say it.

Thats EXACTLY what they are doing, short term maximizing profits in the west and moving focus to the east.

Are you so out of touch of everything? Its NCSoft were talking about rofl.

“maximizing profits”

You said it right, it’s all about thatand was always that.

Keep the cash flow going and ignore Problems.

Yah, thats what you do when you wan to perform – cashgrab. NCSoft doesnt care for the west market for GW2 any more, they seem satisfied with what they got so far, and i guess they will continue getting something of it, there will always be a few Vaynes out there, but east…thats the target audience and focus.

Oh, and NCSfot has a new contender for the west, dont presume they wont have anything – Wildstar.

Yeah sure, I mean who would care about a game that could potentially earn you $100m a year from gem sales alone! Over $200m if you sell an expansion in the future. Why would they care about Gw2? its just their second most profitable game in the whole world and the Most profitable game in the West after all. Its obvious they’re giving up on it.

If East wast the target focus why not release there first?

Seriously what gives you this idea?

Have you read my posts? Like at all? No? It shows.

You dont get A LOT of concepts. Profitable? How the kitten do you know how profitable GW2 is? Maximizing profits? Do yo even have ANY idea what it is?

What im not going to do is school you.

Yes I read your posts, dont see anywhere there that shows they’re sacrificing the future to maximize profits now. So again why the ambiguity, you feel you addressed it before, perhaps in another thread? no problem, just briefly tell me what it is and what thread I can find it on and will be happy to check out no need to retype it if you wrote it already. But a sarcastic you didnt read my posts doesnt help the discussion in anyway.

Its called Quarterly Financial Report.

When the summary says

“Revenues grew on the back of a historically high Lineage 1 and Stable Gw2” You kinda know those 2 have been the most profitable games for them even though the quarterly report itself doesnt list profits as such.

But thats not all even though its enough. If you take the 3rd best performing game they have which would be Aion did only 1/2 the money Gw2 did and unlike Gw2 Aion is released both in the west and East. Now sure perhaps Gw2 costs 4 times a much as Aion to maintain so even though it did more money on paper it would have done less but somehow I very much doubt that, not just because of the numbers but because like the summery said if that were the case I would not have contributed to a Revenue growth like the report said.

So never mind about schooling me what the terms mean, I know that very well myself. But thanks I guess that you feel the need to attack me personally rather then actually replying to any of my arguments which you didnt, not one… I take it to mean that you actually agree with me but feel to need to hide that since it doesnt fit your agenda.

Uh-huh

Now you claim you know profit from revenue without any other number.

Uh-huh bro. Thats why its pointless to discuss with you.

And you see you dont read my posts because you would know that i dont adress your “arguments” because it would require a lot of schooling, few years at least. And i already said i aint gonna school you, dont really know whats unclear about that one rofl.

MikaHR.1978:

Uh-huh

Now you claim you know profit from revenue without any other number.

Uh-huh bro. Thats why its pointless to discuss with you.

And you see you dont read my posts because you would know that i dont adress your “arguments” because it would require a lot of schooling, few years at least. And i already said i aint gonna school you, dont really know whats unclear about that one rofl.

Why would actual numbers make any difference? Quoting NCSoft themselves… Quarter after Quarter since release

“Strong growth was achieved in US and EU fueled by the successful launch of Gw2”
“US/EU also showed sound QoQ Growth via Gw2 Ingame Item sales and box sales”
“Q1 was strong on the back of strong L1, Gw2, Aion”
“Revenue Grew on the back of a historical high L1 and stable Gw2”

It might be good to note that operating profit Year on Year grew in each of these quarters by:

50%,654%, 348%, 914%

Fact 1: We know their profit increased and not by a little Year on Year for Every quarter
Fact 2: Each and every one of those quarters NCsoft said that increase came in part because of Gw2

So while there is no way to know how profitable Gw2 is because yes you’re right the numbers dont say that in anyway. We know that NCsoft not only made a profit but made a larger profit on the same quarter from the previous year. NCSoft said at least in part the increase was driven by Gw2. That means that while we do not know how much yes we know for sure that each Quarter Gw2 was profitable. If it werent it would not have been a contributing factor why YoY operating profit increased.

Its simple logic, I dont see what you’re finding an issue with here. So you dont believe it was profitable, I would ask you what makes you think that but I know like other times you’ll simply avoid answering at least have the common decency of not accusing me of stuff that you’re actually the one doing.

Gizmo.9178:

Just being real with you guys here. As long as players are speaking with their wallets and pouring time and money into the game, the devs have no reason to change their decisions or explain anything to you guys. If you want to blame anyone for how the game turned out, blame everyone who is playing right now (including me). The best thing to do is either stop playin(the only effective way to change things) or just live with it at this point and keep playing.

or do what i do, play but don’t spend dollars on their crappy gem store content and ignore LS completely.

Pray For Kosmos.5849:

i miss the personal story stuff. i don’t feel like a hero anymore. the living story is complete horsekitten. game definitely feels less epic.

You felt like a hero during the Personal Story? Given that the first half of the PS is mostly so personal that it has absolutely no worldly significance (exception: that one Sylvari line where you encounter Trehearne gives context for later events, “Act with Wisdom”; in many other cases it’s also more about the NPCs they saddle you with than you), and that the second half is all about you being Trehearne’s flunky, I’m very surprised anyone feels like a hero, even in the slightest.

JDGumby.7685:

Pray For Kosmos.5849:

i miss the personal story stuff. i don’t feel like a hero anymore. the living story is complete horsekitten. game definitely feels less epic.

You felt like a hero during the Personal Story? Given that the first half of the PS is mostly so personal that it has absolutely no worldly significance (exception: that one Sylvari line where you encounter Trehearne gives context for later events, “Act with Wisdom”; in many other cases it’s also more about the NPCs they saddle you with than you), and that the second half is all about you being Trehearne’s flunky, I’m very surprised anyone feels like a hero, even in the slightest.

I felt like a hero in the personal story. Why? Because being “in charge” doesn’t mean being “the hero”.

Ever watch Beverly Hills Cop or Die Hard? Eddie Murphy and Bruce Willis were heroes…but they weren’t in charge. In fact, very often, heroes in movies aren’t in charge. Was Frodo in charge of the war again Sauron? Nope. But he’s definitely a hero.

Trahearne wasn’t even there when you went to Arah story mode.

Vayne.8563:

Spiral Architect.6540:

Vayne.8563:

You can eat your steak if you want.

For a short while, perhaps. Once ascended armor comes out, they’ll start tuning content to that gear level. Then, when the next tier of gear comes out, they’ll tune to that. And so on. Pretty soon, that steak will be off the menu.

In one short year, they went from "Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.” to “Here, everyone: chase the shiny lewtz, just like you did in all those other games.” ’Tis a shame.

Enjoy your tuna noodle casserole.

I don’t believe there’ll be a next tier of gear. Simply put, the game will have enough stickiness by then where it won’t be necessary.

Anything can change at any point in time. I’m not saying there will be another gear tier, I’m not really referencing any specific change in particular, rather I’d encourage the mindset of “expect the worse, hope for the best”, especially in an MMO. I wouldn’t want to wish the disappointment I’ve experienced on anyone else, and if it happened to me, “it could happen to you” (thank you, based J-Roc).

Smith.1826:

Vayne.8563:

Spiral Architect.6540:

Vayne.8563:

You can eat your steak if you want.

For a short while, perhaps. Once ascended armor comes out, they’ll start tuning content to that gear level. Then, when the next tier of gear comes out, they’ll tune to that. And so on. Pretty soon, that steak will be off the menu.

In one short year, they went from "Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.” to “Here, everyone: chase the shiny lewtz, just like you did in all those other games.” ’Tis a shame.

Enjoy your tuna noodle casserole.

I don’t believe there’ll be a next tier of gear. Simply put, the game will have enough stickiness by then where it won’t be necessary.

Anything can change at any point in time. I’m not saying there will be another gear tier, I’m not really referencing any specific change in particular, rather I’d encourage the mindset of “expect the worse, hope for the best”, especially in an MMO. I wouldn’t want to wish the disappointment I’ve experienced on anyone else, and if it happened to me, “it could happen to you” (thank you, based J-Roc).

lol..thanks for this, but no worries. It’s not a belief like a religious belief. I don’t attach myself to predictions of the future. I believe it, but I also understand things can change…as has already been shown.