Guild Wars 2

I really really really don’t understand where this “small guilds can not have Guild Halls/Favor” talk is comming from. I see a lot of topics on it and people are saying the biggest nonsense I’ve ever seen here on the forums.

My guild has 2 people. Me and my wife.
We have our guild hall. We have almost 2000 favor. And we even have upgrades in our guild hall. The coolest thing that I am very proud of is the fact that until now we did not even spend gold on the upgrades, (and believe when I say we have more then enough gold/materials) what means that with patience and farming you can have this upgrades for almost free until a certain point.

Before HOT we could not even start a mission. We could not even obtain merits!

I don’t know about all this people saying otherwise but they just talk nonsense. The one thing HOT really did for us is making guilds very small guild friendly. Please friends do some more effort when you want to achieve something. Don’t come here on the forums asking for everything to be thrown at you.

FOX…

Congrats on your guild hall and upgrades! Not sure why you felt the need to open your own thread, though, seeing as there’s another thread already with pretty much the same title.

Shukriyya.7629:

Congrats on your guild hall and upgrades! Not sure why you felt the need to open your own thread, though, seeing as there’s another thread already with pretty much the same title.

Not quite the same. Cause that dude is also saying smalls guilds are not able to have a guild hall with upgrades. He even tells people not to cry because it is not supposed to be for small guilds. Read please my friend.

And to be honest… We are also really really really proud on what we can achieve with just the two of us ghehehe!

The OP is right! We should definitely stop talking about guild halls and we should definitely, definitely not start yet another guild hall thread about guild halls. And if someone else starts a guild hall thread about guild halls we should definitely, definitely, definitely not contribute our opinions on guild halls to that new guild hall thread about guild halls.

FOX.3582:

And to be honest… We are also really really really proud on what we can achieve with just the two of us ghehehe!

So you just made your own thread to brag. Noted!

DoctorDing.5890:

The OP is right! We should definitely stop talking about guild halls and we should definitely, definitely not start yet another guild hall thread about guild halls. And if someone else starts a guild hall thread about guild halls we should definitely, definitely, definitely not contribute our opinions on guild halls to that new guild hall thread about guild halls.

XD

Hypocrisy at it’s finest.

fireflyry.7023:

Hypocrisy at it’s finest.

Uhhm why¿ Where do we contradict our self¿ Do you know what hypocrisy means¿

If it’s a non-issue for you kitten and enjoy.

Attempts at invalidating others issues with little more than “..me and the missus are rocking out guild hall so kitten….” make you look like a wally.

Yeah…hypocrisy.

fireflyry.7023:

If it’s a non-issue for you kitten and enjoy.

Attempts at invalidating others issues with little more than “..me and the missus are rocking out guild hall so kitten….” make you look like a wally.

Yeah…hypocrisy.

I actually found his point spot on, it’s about time the general population of this game actually learned how to play some of the harder content in this game without 60 other people spamming 1 and helping them. Getting guildhall stuff as a small guild is relatively easy, all it takes is a bit of dedication/work + some rudimentary pve knowledge/common sence and if you’re unwilling to commit to upgrading it then you shouldnt have it.

No it should not be stopped being discussed.. maybe discussed in one thread.. but that’s what ANET have forum mods for to merge threads when necessary.

All points raised whether for or against the subject have some form of input to the topic, why because people have differing play habits, time, likes and dislikes and what was pushed out only really suited larger guilds where the individual effort and costs become negligiable.
What I saw many of the other posts putting out was a distincvt dislike to the cost and efforts required by differing small guild sizes in order to not become locked out of new content they have paid a high expac price for.
Sure Rome wasn’t buolt in a day comes to mind.. but for larger guilds actually it is. Not everyone wants to be part of a fortune 500 guild and have a variety of reasons for that – to that end many MMO’s I have played which incorporate such things as guild halls, player housing etc do it in a fashion that is scaled based on the size and needs.

If you want a big house then the costs/efforts to get it should carry the same weighting as it does for smaller guilds requirements.
That said if your guild is micro small, small, medium etc then the guild hall only carries a certain amount of upgrades based on that sized constraint.. if your guild then expands then additional upgrade costs have to be applied… what we have now is one size for all and a set cost.. but hugely differing levels of effort for it.

OP is absolutely right. If you lack teamwork, organization and the skill necessary to take your hall, examine yourself. You are begging for a handout to achieve the reward people better organized, with higher priorities on teamwork and with more dedicated goal focused members have earned.

If you find yourself begging and pleading for a change to a system that rewards small guilds for hard work, realize you are not in a capable guild. Work with your small guild to achieve your goals. If you are consistently failing, making it easier for you now will only be hurting your development as a guild and as a gamer.

Will you be asking for everything along our path in GW2 be made easier and more attainable because you can’t do it? Or does this pandering end here by letting the unaccomplished gain access to a useless unupgraded hall?

FOX.3582:

And to be honest… We are also really really really proud on what we can achieve with just the two of us ghehehe!

2 of you.. I am stick my neck out and say.. ANET like you lots cos that credit card burns HoT constantly to buy gems and convert to gold to buy all the glass, flax etc etc to get that 2 man guild up to par with that 500 man guild…. you can spend you whole life grinding sand and seeds as well as other stuff if you like.. many others want to actually play all facets of the game and still be able to achieve things, but experience suggests you weren’t / aren’t able to get all those upgrades quite as easily as you like to make out without credit card assistance – and if that’s your thing then all power to you, gz on ya achievements.

Triangulator.2867:

OP is absolutely right. If you lack teamwork, organization and the skill necessary to take your hall, examine yourself. You are begging for a handout to achieve the reward people better organized, with higher priorities on teamwork and with more dedicated goal focused members have earned.

If you find yourself begging and pleading for a change to a system that rewards small guilds for hard work, realize you are not in a capable guild. Work with your small guild to achieve your goals. If you are consistently failing, making it easier for you now will only be hurting your development as a guild and as a gamer.

Will you be asking for everything along our path in GW2 be made easier and more attainable because you can’t do it? Or does this pandering end here by letting the unaccomplished gain access to a useless unupgraded hall?

Way to go .. you completely missed the point by a country mile.

It has nothing to do with organisation and teamwork.. if a 2 man guild like the OP’s lacked that then yeah.. that would be bad news for the guild.
It’s about retaining the effort but ensuring that effort/cost is spread equally throughout the guild spectrum… getting a guild hall is nothing more than a pug LFG… upgrading it is something quite different… 500 players collecting for example sand and seeds is nothing in comparison to what small guilds have to go through because someone didn’t bother to look into the mechanics of it all very well, in fact I would say it’s actually a pretty lazy content implementation with no thought other than “we now have guild halls”

Thanks for posting this FOX…. I have a small guild with just me and my husband. I had heard how hard it is to get guild halls and that you need a big guild and so I thought the task would be impossible for our little guild. My hubby has hot, I have yet to get it (possibly christmas)… It is good to know that with some work it is possible for a small guild of 2 people to be able to get a guild hall… gives me something to look forward to and something to aim for when I get the expansion

VixNIN.7403:

Thanks for posting this FOX…. I have a small guild with just me and my husband. I had heard how hard it is to get guild halls and that you need a big guild and so I thought the task would be impossible for our little guild. My hubby has hot, I have yet to get it (possibly christmas)… It is good to know that with some work it is possible for a small guild of 2 people to be able to get a guild hall… gives me something to look forward to and something to aim for when I get the expansion

Yes, I am in a Normal big guild I might say… But most players don’t represent and we are about 6-7 players working on the guild.
I doub’t you can claim a Guild Hall with two people but it is possible to get help but after that you can do most of the GH stuff with only two players. There are some Guild Missions that is restricted to 3 or 6 players but some of them are possible to do with just a few players and even solo. Guild Rush and Bounty can be easy done with some help from others, Guild Trek can be soloed or duod but it can be quite hard at hard :P

Me and my husband do have some friends outside of the guild that could help… bonus

Bloodstealer.5978:

FOX.3582:

And to be honest… We are also really really really proud on what we can achieve with just the two of us ghehehe!

2 of you.. I am stick my neck out and say.. ANET like you lots cos that credit card burns HoT constantly to buy gems and convert to gold to buy all the glass, flax etc etc to get that 2 man guild up to par with that 500 man guild…. you can spend you whole life grinding sand and seeds as well as other stuff if you like.. many others want to actually play all facets of the game and still be able to achieve things, but experience suggests you weren’t / aren’t able to get all those upgrades quite as easily as you like to make out without credit card assistance – and if that’s your thing then all power to you, gz on ya achievements.

We buy €50,- gems a year. As a player/customer in this game, imo we all own this a little bit to Arenanet, (that’s what keeps this game running for you too) but that’s an other discussion. And for the rest, I speed-cleared dungeons and farm the TP a little while my wife is making gold with farming and crafting. I think you are just jealous lol… But again like I said, until now we did not spend a lot of gold on guild hall upgrades. For example: Yes, my wife farmed all the flax and the sand etc to make stuff like mugs and kegs. You can do that too, we are not special…

VixNIN.7403:

Thanks for posting this FOX…. I have a small guild with just me and my husband. I had heard how hard it is to get guild halls and that you need a big guild and so I thought the task would be impossible for our little guild. My hubby has hot, I have yet to get it (possibly christmas)… It is good to know that with some work it is possible for a small guild of 2 people to be able to get a guild hall… gives me something to look forward to and something to aim for when I get the expansion

I wish you the very best! Well some people do have a point here. A 500 man guild will have all the things way faster and easier. But like I said before, it is also very doable with just 2 persons, we can guarantee you that! Good luck!

Bloodstealer.5978:

Triangulator.2867:

OP is absolutely right. If you lack teamwork, organization and the skill necessary to take your hall, examine yourself. You are begging for a handout to achieve the reward people better organized, with higher priorities on teamwork and with more dedicated goal focused members have earned.

If you find yourself begging and pleading for a change to a system that rewards small guilds for hard work, realize you are not in a capable guild. Work with your small guild to achieve your goals. If you are consistently failing, making it easier for you now will only be hurting your development as a guild and as a gamer.

Will you be asking for everything along our path in GW2 be made easier and more attainable because you can’t do it? Or does this pandering end here by letting the unaccomplished gain access to a useless unupgraded hall?

Way to go .. you completely missed the point by a country mile.

It has nothing to do with organisation and teamwork.. if a 2 man guild like the OP’s lacked that then yeah.. that would be bad news for the guild.
It’s about retaining the effort but ensuring that effort/cost is spread equally throughout the guild spectrum… getting a guild hall is nothing more than a pug LFG… upgrading it is something quite different… 500 players collecting for example sand and seeds is nothing in comparison to what small guilds have to go through because someone didn’t bother to look into the mechanics of it all very well, in fact I would say it’s actually a pretty lazy content implementation with no thought other than “we now have guild halls”

It is the opposite. My point is on the money. Organizing a 500 man guild to be motivated to donate towards the hall at a pace fast enough and in quantities large enough to have guild unlocks as the aetherium becomes available is a tremendous effort. One in which you underestimate. Large guilds that can accomplish this have fantastic leaders and organization.

Small guilds, such as mine and OP’S, are able to keep up with similar organization and dedication. Failing to accomplish your goals is not the contents fault. But your own shortcomings. This is my problem. People unable to accomplish guild goals due to poor organization or lack of dedication crying foul.

Guild hall and its upgrades are designed for guilds large and small with both capable members and leaders. If you are struggling it is a sign that your guild is not healthy.

Triangulator.2867:

Bloodstealer.5978:

Triangulator.2867:

OP is absolutely right. If you lack teamwork, organization and the skill necessary to take your hall, examine yourself. You are begging for a handout to achieve the reward people better organized, with higher priorities on teamwork and with more dedicated goal focused members have earned.

If you find yourself begging and pleading for a change to a system that rewards small guilds for hard work, realize you are not in a capable guild. Work with your small guild to achieve your goals. If you are consistently failing, making it easier for you now will only be hurting your development as a guild and as a gamer.

Will you be asking for everything along our path in GW2 be made easier and more attainable because you can’t do it? Or does this pandering end here by letting the unaccomplished gain access to a useless unupgraded hall?

Way to go .. you completely missed the point by a country mile.

It has nothing to do with organisation and teamwork.. if a 2 man guild like the OP’s lacked that then yeah.. that would be bad news for the guild.
It’s about retaining the effort but ensuring that effort/cost is spread equally throughout the guild spectrum… getting a guild hall is nothing more than a pug LFG… upgrading it is something quite different… 500 players collecting for example sand and seeds is nothing in comparison to what small guilds have to go through because someone didn’t bother to look into the mechanics of it all very well, in fact I would say it’s actually a pretty lazy content implementation with no thought other than “we now have guild halls”

It is the opposite. My point is on the money. Organizing a 500 man guild to be motivated to donate towards the hall at a pace fast enough and in quantities large enough to have guild unlocks as the aetherium becomes available is a tremendous effort. One in which you underestimate. Large guilds that can accomplish this have fantastic leaders and organization.

Small guilds, such as mine and OP’S, are able to keep up with similar organization and dedication. Failing to accomplish your goals is not the contents fault. But your own shortcomings. This is my problem. People unable to accomplish guild goals due to poor organization or lack of dedication crying foul.

Guild hall and its upgrades are designed for guilds large and small with both capable members and leaders. If you are struggling it is a sign that your guild is not healthy.

+1 This…

So some of you people can either go meditate about what you could change and could do better, or you come here on forum and cry for things to be thrown at you with no effort at all…

It is really doable guys. And no I do not convert gems to gold. I never did that… People who do that are quite stupid imo, the gold they get for a few gems is what I farm for free in 3-4 hours…

FOX.3582:

Bloodstealer.5978:

FOX.3582:

And to be honest… We are also really really really proud on what we can achieve with just the two of us ghehehe!

2 of you.. I am stick my neck out and say.. ANET like you lots cos that credit card burns HoT constantly to buy gems and convert to gold to buy all the glass, flax etc etc to get that 2 man guild up to par with that 500 man guild…. you can spend you whole life grinding sand and seeds as well as other stuff if you like.. many others want to actually play all facets of the game and still be able to achieve things, but experience suggests you weren’t / aren’t able to get all those upgrades quite as easily as you like to make out without credit card assistance – and if that’s your thing then all power to you, gz on ya achievements.

We buy €50,- gems a year. As a player/customer in this game, imo we all own this a little bit to Arenanet, (that’s what keeps this game running for you too) but that’s an other discussion. And for the rest, I speed-cleared dungeons and farm the TP a little while my wife is making gold with farming and crafting. I think you are just jealous lol… But again like I said, until now we did not spend a lot of gold on guild hall upgrades. For example: Yes, my wife farmed all the flax and the sand etc to make stuff like mugs and kegs. You can do that too, we are not special…

VixNIN.7403:

Thanks for posting this FOX…. I have a small guild with just me and my husband. I had heard how hard it is to get guild halls and that you need a big guild and so I thought the task would be impossible for our little guild. My hubby has hot, I have yet to get it (possibly christmas)… It is good to know that with some work it is possible for a small guild of 2 people to be able to get a guild hall… gives me something to look forward to and something to aim for when I get the expansion

I wish you the very best! Well some people do have a point here. A 500 man guild will have all the things way faster and easier. But like I said before, it is also very doable with just 2 persons, we can guarantee you that! Good luck!

Lol.. jealous – jealous of what, my guild already have a hall, tavern, mine… so wrong answer!
As for owing ANET – wrong again… they set their business model, they charge what they feel is appropriate for the content and for what they plan for future content – you think the price you pay is just for what you get in the box, please have a small modicum of understanding and not blurt rubbish out.
As for feeling special.. sorry wrong there I am just a normal player running a small guild of long term friends who rarely have the need to buy stuff from the TP (mainly sell) or farm heavily – we are in no rush to have it all and probably don’t need it all, but then again we don’t feel the need to come to a forum to rubbish everyone else’s opinion just so you can have your “look at me I am a special snowflake” moment.
As for only one of you farming all the necessaries I smell something bad right there otherwise you just don’t sleep – but as I say all power to you however you play the game, that’s your prerogative.
Our two guilds are merely a micro fragment in a larger pool of players /guilds – but my opinion is guild halls have been rushed through without proper diligence to what was actually wanted and what or how the mechanics around them were supposed to work across the game – as long as the expansion could deliver on something it promised “we have guild halls”

Fixing the terrible decisions they made with the guild changes will end the complaints.

It worked with the new hero point requirements, did it not?

Stopped reading at: Me and my wife did it so the rest of you need to shut up.

Another thinly veiled Braggart Post. So Sad.

Dolphin.2574:

Stopped reading at: Me and my wife did it so the rest of you need to shut up.

Another thinly veiled Braggart Post. So Sad.

Yeah, this “I got mine so screw you guys” has got to stop. Also, AN needs to address this publicly.

For some of us (I’d almost like to say vets but don’t want to presume) its not the cost, not the stupid grind, those things are just the salt in the actual wound. Hell, half of my guys I’d bet on two manning most “challenging” parts of claiming a guild hall. The rest, well we have a few farmer/trader players as well and they’re very very good at gold/mat acquisition. So no, you are not unique in getting your guild hall, you are just blind to the other aspects, which I would personally consider to be the actual problems.

The real problem is the causal destruction of ingame progress, and for those of us who have been around longer its not the first time, and probably won’t be the last. We (and I assume you two as well) went from a maxed guild to starting over again to implement a new system with the bare minimum done to “grandfather” us in. Now we’re working our way back up, but I think we should at least be allowed to voice our concerns about resetting progress in an mmorpg.

This is just another reset of progress. That’s what needs to be called out and discussed imo. What also is often mentioned in my circles is the fact if your guild doesn’t have enough HoT players, say because you are a wvw guild and not enough people were interested in elite specs, your entire guild is wrecked until you start paying up for the pve xpac due to this reset. I’m not passing judgement, plenty of people will say that this was necessary I’m sure, while others disagree, but this kind of complaint is not related to the stupid gold sink you pretend is the only thing going on. The mats are a big thing, but that’d be ok like you say, if it wasn’t just for buying back basic abilities we already had. Another point being brought up relative to the guild reset, someone else on the forums eloquently put “gutting” the core game to have stuff to repackage to try to justify the xpacs price tag. These are big discussion points, whether you like it or not and regardless on which side of the discussion you fall.

Just because you have the money to buy in, and the supplies to build a big guild hall doesn’t mean you can invalidate a population with various real concerns about the design decisions made and the suddenness of having a fully upgraded guild torn from underneath your feet… In fact, even if it was just a problem about mats, I’m not sure where you get the gall to order others to stop discussing it.

Your actual arguments add to the discussion for your side, but your attempt to shut down a multi-facet discussion because you found the silver-lining to a single aspect is ridiculous.

Lol bragging thread

Lols FOX.. we have more than enough gold to do what we want.. doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion on what I find to be a total imbalance on the weighting on guilds.
Yeah organising a large guild has its challenges.. but lets take a look at the basics.

Guild A has 500 members (approx. 300+ active)
Guild B has 5 members (all active)

Before they can even put up a Pug for their Guild Hall there is a small trial of putting up 100gold
Now lets see who takes longer to farm enough wealth to start their guild assault ….
Both Guilds are organised extremely well…
Guild A requires each player to put in 20 – 35 silver into the guild coffer – Done in seconds
Guild B requires each member to place 20gold into the guild coffer – Considerably longer, and pretty bang out of the question for a lot of newer players, newer guilds

But finally both Guilds have there Quest fees paid –
Guild A does theirs at first attempt cos they are organised and teamwork is brill!!
Guild B still waiting for a few more – It is almost 11pm and pugging is slowing up and 2 of their guild work nights…. ding finally get enough for an attempt
Guild B Leader organises 2 groups and opens the instance, all step in and explains what they have to do, what the mechanics around it are and all understand and say YAR!
Off they go.. but eek soon starts to struggle and the pugs start running around like headless chickens not listening to the guild leader who is doing his best via his TS channel to keep it on track – ultimately though its a FAIL!
Attempt 2… same, Attempt 3 long wait for a few more then finally as the last spot is filled one of his guildies has to succumb to the demands of the day and go sleep (its 1am btw).
But finally they get lucky a few days later and they achieve success – hugs all round !!!
Guild B has their Guild Hall!!!!
Now the grindfest and farmfest begin – - Sand & Seeds are the order of the day, how many Glass Mugs (50), how many Kegs (10) doesn’t sound too bad does it …., until you do the maths and that’s just to get a tavern1
Guild A – So hard to organise the guild so each member knows they have to enough mats to make 0.1 – 0.17 glass mugs each and 0.02 – 0.03 Kegs each
Guild B – Ahh its a breeze – that’s only 5 glass mugs each and 2 Kegs each.. .. not hard but time consuming

Add to that the rest of the stuff to farm – Obi Shards, various stacks of standard T5 /T6 mats oh and of course not forgetting the 50 Elonian Wines to purchase
Of course lets also consider that Guild B might have newer players involved and may also need to grind out the necessary crafting levels to craft certain things .. ..

All achievable yes, but the costs per player and effort required not so balanced as it sounds and that’s just Tavern 1 – LETS NOT FORGET THAT.

Now consider the favour… small guilds can struggle here … getting small amounts once per week is a little easier all round now imo, but getting more than basic level favour is more difficult for smaller guilds in fact often creates map toxicity as other small guilds try to use the collective to their alliance maps treks to their own advantage.

Then of course there are more basic upgrades like anvil, merchant etc.. another 100g here, 100gold there… that’s now 60gold each for each member of Guild B and they haven’t even build tavern yet, let alone a mine to be able to get Auri

So yeah, If you think its a real trial to organise a much larger guild to farm the same requirements as a small guild, then you simply don’t have a hang on logic and basic maths.. no matter how organised or how much you enjoy farming, grinding, TP flipping etc.. the effort levels are completely out of balance..

Simple solution allow small guilds to purchase smaller halls with less functionality on offer but with a view to upgrading to a larger size as they grow, if they choose to.

Fact is ANET either rushed this malarkey through without much in the way of thought or… they saw an opportunity to use a proportion of their player base in the shape of larger guilds to entice the rest to spend more time in game grinding or SPEND REAL MONEY—>> CONVERT TO GOLD —>> then take great pleasure in sitting back watching them waste gold buying piles of sand, flax seeds and other items from the TP which would otherwise take small guilds a lot longer or considerably more effort per player to obtain in the quantities required through normal game play

Of course this all runs with its own risk… how long will some players, especially new players stick around knowing that all this hype simply boils down to grinding their lives away just to chase that carrot on the stick, which as soon as they finally get there (if ever), something else comes in to expand upon it again and starts the cycle off once more – -

I would love to see you motivate 300 active players to donate 0.17 of a glass mug. You spit nonsense and are consumed by some bitterness. Be honest about your opinions concerning this topic, and don’t hide your bias behind a nosensical wall of text based around your imagination and conjecture.

I’m interested in your unfiltered opinion concerning the topic or arguments made by people you disagree with.

@ FOX.3582 “This Guild Hall talk has to stop!”.

Why does it bother you ?

Is it affecting you in any way ?

You have your Guild Hall full marks.

But many small Guilds such as mine will never get a Guild Hall now.

Just to quote you from one of your earlier posts…….

“Who are you¿
And what is this¿”

VixNIN.7403:

Thanks for posting this FOX…. I have a small guild with just me and my husband. I had heard how hard it is to get guild halls and that you need a big guild and so I thought the task would be impossible for our little guild. My hubby has hot, I have yet to get it (possibly christmas)… It is good to know that with some work it is possible for a small guild of 2 people to be able to get a guild hall… gives me something to look forward to and something to aim for when I get the expansion

You can get a guild hall, getting the guild hall is easy. It’s what comes after that is expensive. Not hard necessarily, but very expensive. If you aren’t willing to dump a TON of mats and gold into the hall then you might just want the hall and not the upgrades.

I want to get rid of the tents and rubble and have actual buildings in Gilded Hollow. This is not a small goal, even for a guild with 20 players on regularly.

So…Fox, you’re wonderfully talented (apparently), you’re going to come help the rest of us get our halls, yes? I mean, since obviously you did it just you and your wife. Or did you?

Not all of the changes are exactly small guild friendly, as a 2 person guild, even you should see that. Unless, perhaps, your answer to many of the material sinks is simply whipping out your credit card and purchasing gems for gold. Seems to be the answer a lot of people resort to. Which, if that’s how you want to play, fine. Not of all of us do though. Or perhaps you just have a kitten ton of stuff horded, which also gives you a bit of an advantage over the ‘average’ player, but what happens when those stashes run out, hmmm?

The root issue people have isn’t all the individual complaints. Its not the claiming. Its not even the material sink. Its the fact that so much was changed that its just no longer small guild friendly. Influence is gone, replaced with favor and favor is 100% limited to completing guild missions. Yes, some of the guild missions are a bit more small group friendly and very much doable in a couple of people, but it’s not enough to offset the fact that we can no longer work on building our guilds just by playing together anymore. Things that certain guilds had unlocked previously, they now need to not only claim a hall, but level their guild up yet more just to reclaim what they had. Recruiting has always been hard for small guilds, now, it’s getting practically impossible because people just want the end rewards that big guilds have, not the growing pains associated with getting there. In short, its just a mess.

Snow.2048 made an amazing post above. The core issue here isn’t the cost or the challenge with halls. It’s the gutting of content by Anet to offer the idea that more was shipped with the xpac than actually was.

Small guilds are feeling this pull especially since they now have to work doubly as hard to earn what was removed and then some. We should be focusing on these types of ‘content releases’ by Anet being a reoccurrence in the future, than complaining about the accessibility of things as they are now.

Removing content and replacing it with a mat or gold sink does not enrich any of our in game experiences, either for vet or new players.

hey FOX have fun farming sand everyday for the next 2 years. ;-)

its everywhere, in every upgrade in every building.
the only pvp track people do is meguma waste one now.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Recruiting has always been hard for small guilds, now, it’s getting practically impossible because people just want the end rewards that big guilds have, not the growing pains associated with getting there. In short, its just a mess.

Many people actually seek out small guilds because they don’t like the typical large guild culture/environment.

The only thing that made recruiting hard for small guilds was the fact small guilds typically want to stay small. They only want to play with their circle of RL friends or friends from previous games. The new people they recruit aren’t part of their clique so feel left out and seek other guilds.

Running a guild isn’t for everyone. Many people think they can just make a guild with a cool name, blast public chat channels for members and expect to grow and have active players. Typically they will end up with 50 inactive members, or 50 members that do not rep them, completely ignore guild messages, or simply don’t care.

I think for most small guilds it isn’t that recruitment is difficult and thus they don’t have the membership number to accomplish some of this guild stuff, it’s that they don’t want a larger membership and still want to be able to accomplish the guild stuff.

The OP has proven that it is indeed possible, although likely not easy, for even a 2-person guild (which is really a stretch to call a guild) to get a guild hall plus upgrades.

TL:DR – Guild recruitment in GW2 is no harder than any other game. Some people are good at it, some people aren’t.

Yea, you can pretty much ignore Bloodstealer.5978. Much of his posts are simply aggressive and bias. He is not here to discuss, but here to demand.

@Snow.2048
If you had phrase your other posts in this manner, maybe people will respond to you better as many of the complains’ focus weren’t the reset of progress but rather the cost of the current progress and how the current cost of progress should be tweaked in a manner that benefit the smaller guilds. Naturally, when one start to ask to tweak to favor certain party, another party will begin to attack because they are being penalized.

Anet respond to the full upgraded guild is a loose conversion, some statues and upgrades unlock. Of course, there are people who bough influence and now their investment have gone to waste. However, this too apply to the changes made for commander tag when anet decided to make it account bound. People who bought 100g tag get to benefit account-wide tag while people who bought more than 1 tag are not given a full refund but a partial refund by using the 300g as the new standard cost. So, is it fair for the people who bought more than 1 tag when the others got their account-wide tag for 100g? Not really, anet respond is indifferent. So, in other words, you can be sure that anet respond to this is indifferent as well since anet is determine to push forward with this. People who realize that simply decided to move on.

Draknar.5748:

Many people actually seek out small guilds because they don’t like the typical large guild culture/environment.

Some people do yes, I wouldn’t necessarily say many. Yes, there are those that don’t like the large guild environment and still join them for the perks. We’ve had such complaints about this since HoT launched as well. People who have lost members because they can no longer access perks that they had prior to the changes.

Draknar.5748:

TL:DR – Guild recruitment in GW2 is no harder than any other game. Some people are good at it, some people aren’t.

I wasn’t arguing that its harder or easier than other games. I simply stated that with the changes HoT made, it compounded the difficulty that was already there.

My bestie and I are starting our path to a guild hall too for our 2 man guild (just him and i). Congrats on yours and wish us luck!

What people dont understand is with a little hard work, you can do it too, even with 2 people

SkyShroud.2865:

Yea, you can pretty much ignore Bloodstealer.5978. Much of his posts are simply aggressive and bias. He is not here to discuss, but here to demand.

@Snow.2048
If you had phrase your other posts in this manner, maybe people will respond to you better as many of the complains’ focus weren’t the reset of progress but rather the cost of the current progress and how the current cost of progress should be tweaked in a manner that benefit the smaller guilds. Naturally, when one start to ask to tweak to favor certain party, another party will begin to attack because they are being penalized.

Anet respond to the full upgraded guild is a loose conversion, some statues and upgrades unlock. Of course, there are people who bough influence and now their investment have gone to waste. However, this too apply to the changes made for commander tag when anet decided to make it account bound. People who bought 100g tag get to benefit account-wide tag while people who bought more than 1 tag are not given a full refund but a partial refund by using the 300g as the new standard cost. So, is it fair for the people who bought more than 1 tag when the others got their account-wide tag for 100g? Not really, anet respond is indifferent. So, in other words, you can be sure that anet respond to this is indifferent as well since anet is determine to push forward with this. People who realize that simply decided to move on.

I tend to focus on these things in my serious posts, or at least try to. Others sometimes do not, which is why I tried to be careful not to (mis)representative of them, I am sorry if I failed.

I would like to bring the hypothesis that, given that many people are complaining at the costs and given that much of the cost is related to restoring previous features, that a better grandfathering would go/have gone a long way in stilling/preventing a portion of these complaints as the players wouldn’t be gathering for restoration but for true progress of the guild itself.
I know that I for one, while tending towards the negative side, would be less sympathetic to other’s complaints of the actual costs if I actually still had my guilds formally essential features, for many of the same reasons presented by others as there is sound logic to them. This is, however, not the case and therefore the argument is being flooded with complaints back and forth of symptoms, and the underlying cause keeps getting buried.

As to your example, it is actually a decent one if we were to look at the whole feature instead of what you present, and add a new scenario that didn’t happen in reality but would be more accurate. The original plan with the account binding of the commander tag was to charge extra for the different colors as well as grandfathering the old tags to just have blue. There was huge backlash, and they changed their plan to what you present. Neither of the scenarios are actually akin to the guild halls.
Imagine if you would, if Arenanet decided instead to go with removing the tags from all commanders who had one, increased the price to rebuy them, but allowed the former commanders to still check supply. To regain functionality, they would have to invest more than their initial, on top of the burn that is they had feature removed from their character.
That would be more equivalent to the guild situation, and this is in mind why we should discuss this and not close the discussion (as this thread is actually on closing the discussion, and our continued opening of the discussion could be considered off-topic which was the original goal of my post to point the absurdity of, but I digress)

So what they did was a good grandfathering. What they planned was reasonable grandfathering, but met with great backlash for similar reasons that are being debated with great fervour throughout the forums on costs. What they could have done in the hypothetical was not good grandfathering, and would have inspired even greater backlash, which is in my mind the equivalent in so far as the comparison can be drawn to what has happened here.

I would prefer that they move to better grandfathering to make either the second or perhaps even the top bracket of the example.

I maintain the position with the OP. The current cries of guild hall costs being too high are spouted by individuals incapable of organization, teamwork and dedication. Reducing the wall of entry to pander to these players would be an insult to better organized guilds both large and small, and sets a negative precedent that unaccomplishment can be rewarded through consistent complaining.

As for the grandfathering of guilds and the gutting of content to offer an illusion more content shipped with the xpac. Yes. I believe this conversation should be and stay opened . This is a relevant issue that needs to be addressed for future content releases. I can allow myself to believe that the decisions made to gut vanilla content and replacing it with new iterations (ex. Guild halls) was to create a healthier backbone for future gw2 releases post-HOT.

I don’t want to see the current iteration of guild halls and upgrades changed to pander to those unable to access or accomplish the tasks necessary, but rather see complaints directed at the decisions Anet made to gut vanilla content and replace it with shallow mat/gold find. Future content releases should not follow the precedent set by HoT.

It’s a forum.

People talk.

Telling them to stop doing it seems kinda stupid.

And in any case, no one is going to stop doing anything on one person’s say-so.

FOX.3582:

I really really really don’t understand where this “small guilds can not have Guild Halls/Favor” talk is comming from. I see a lot of topics on it and people are saying the biggest nonsense I’ve ever seen here on the forums.

My guild has 2 people. Me and my wife.
We have our guild hall. We have almost 2000 favor. And we even have upgrades in our guild hall. The coolest thing that I am very proud of is the fact that until now we did not even spend gold on the upgrades, (and believe when I say we have more then enough gold/materials) what means that with patience and farming you can have this upgrades for almost free until a certain point.

Before HOT we could not even start a mission. We could not even obtain merits!

I don’t know about all this people saying otherwise but they just talk nonsense. The one thing HOT really did for us is making guilds very small guild friendly. Please friends do some more effort when you want to achieve something. Don’t come here on the forums asking for everything to be thrown at you.

FOX…

Oh look, another “I don’t care that you got owned” thread. Sigh

Please explain how you did this because me and my partner are veterans who had a small guild of 4-5, forged entirely by us, with full level 6 upgrades before the update, yet we cannot even complete the mission to claim our guild hall because it overwhelms a few players. If you got help from another guild, your entire post is useless because it just shows that you had to find workarounds anyway.

I commend the OP’s duprass for establishing and upgrading their own guild hall. That is indeed awesome and deserving of praise, etc.

I am less fond of the OP’s post and especially the title. Instead of saying, “stop complaining, you lazy sourdough batards — it’s not that hard,” the OP could have simply said, “here’s how to build up a two-person guild hall” or “my two-person guild prefers the new system because…” and explained how you did it. There is no need to diminish the efforts of others or to brag about the accomplishment.

tl;dr gz on the guild hall and please consider restarting the thread

Triangulator.2867:

I would love to see you motivate 300 active players to donate 0.17 of a glass mug. You spit nonsense and are consumed by some bitterness. Be honest about your opinions concerning this topic, and don’t hide your bias behind a nosensical wall of text based around your imagination and conjecture.

I’m interested in your unfiltered opinion concerning the topic or arguments made by people you disagree with.

Lol if you need to motivate 300 – 500 members to have to donate any of that with that many arms and legs at your disposal, well that’s speaking volumes to me.
It should take minutes to fill up the Notary requirements…. if you want to disagree with that then maybe your not that great at that so called leadership and teamwork thing and maybe you would be better off letting that sleeping dog lye.

As for bitterness, why should I be bitter.. me and mine have what we need already.. opinion and understanding of others issues in getting the same things is nothing to do with bitterness.. or are you just trying to raise insults and argument for any other reason than self gratification.
If you wanna argue the logic and the maths that’s up to you just please avoid making yourself out to be a poor guild leader with arguments like you have put forward to counter it.. ooh wait you didn’t you just said organising your guild to farm out a few pieces of sand and a few seeds each on maps they are going to be running anyway is hard work…. as I said, speaks volumes .. or maybe you have no real involvement with your guild members other than placing a number on their backs.. either way it clearly shouts out your ignorance to the issues and imbalance that others are seeing with it all…

Thankfully and without bitterness me and mine have been able to work through all that rubbish already, but that doesn’t make the system balanced and fair and the amount of forum time showing on this subject seems to suggest others feel the same.. otherwise the likes of you wouldn’t want to have to pushed aside with these “ANET close the threads plzzz” – cos its easy to ignore the issues rather than debate them openly.

Bottom line is ANET probably knew there would be a lot of feelings, disappointment and argument around this subject because afterall its only one of the most wanted content additions that players have asked for since launch. So they provided as little amount of info leading up HoT as was possible to ensure it didn’t affect pre-orders and its why they have not commented on the topics and explain their shortcoming on this system since the threads began emerging.

But hey I get it, you don’t agree and that’s your prerogative.. I happen not to agree with you (see what I did there).

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

I commend the OP’s duprass for establishing and upgrading their own guild hall. That is indeed awesome and deserving of praise, etc.

I am less fond of the OP’s post and especially the title. Instead of saying, “stop complaining, you lazy sourdough batards — it’s not that hard,” the OP could have simply said, “here’s how to build up a two-person guild hall” or “my two-person guild prefers the new system because…” and explained how you did it. There is no need to diminish the efforts of others or to brag about the accomplishment.

tl;dr gz on the guild hall and please consider restarting the thread

The fact that he did not explain how he did it with 2 people leaves doubt. Like you mentioned, the OP could have came here with a detailed description of how he actually did it. Instead he came in like a pompous kitten and said I’m cool and all those that aren’t cool need to bugger off. I think he’s full of it and leaving a lot of how it was really done out of his story.

My guild has about 10 active players. We’re level 21 with the PvP arena. I think it’s easier to get people to put in the effort when you’re smaller and everyone knows that their individual contribution matters. If you dilute the pool of workers too much, it’s easy for any given person to fall into the trap of “someone else will do it.” Enough people get into that frame of mind and you end up with a handful of people unfairly burdened with most of the effort (you may even get no one doing anything).

I agree with you fully Triangulator, however the back and forth is over what, to me at least, seems to be a direct effect of the underlying problems both of us wish to bring to light. Therefore disregarding the complaints at this time is something I am unwilling to do and I am beginning to be vocal about it, as I do not always know which complaints are from actual lack of ability as you suggested (and I am sure there are plenty that fit the bill) or simply the last straw to some, or the aspect of the complexer problem that the persons complaining understands or notices the best so they only vocalize that aspect.

I do believe that the guild system as it is could have been a great(er) success, even with the costs, had all or even most of the effects given been actually new instead of the repackage. I think, that given a few months, my guild will probably again be at a really good place. The fact that it might take a few months is really a sore point though that makes me sympathetic to the cost complainers. I know my jaw almost dropped when I saw what it would take to restore functionality. If it was a cost to say earn something new, I’d simply have set it as a long term goal (eg pvp arena, the hall itself). Now its a question of survival for some guilds (luckily not mine) as they need to provide the buffs they had, and they needed to provide them on release date. So I am discussing on principle rather than necessity, in hopes of preventing similar events in the future (and nothing more than hope!)

As a closing sentence because I was actually going to sleep xD… I do not agree with the continuous resetting of progress and I do not agree with threads dedicated to closing dialogue, these remain personal opinions of mine but I will voice them for a time, particularly on threads that are made telling me to shut up in the meanwhile

Lobo Dela Noche.5127:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

I commend the OP’s duprass for establishing and upgrading their own guild hall. That is indeed awesome and deserving of praise, etc.

I am less fond of the OP’s post and especially the title. Instead of saying, “stop complaining, you lazy sourdough batards — it’s not that hard,” the OP could have simply said, “here’s how to build up a two-person guild hall” or “my two-person guild prefers the new system because…” and explained how you did it. There is no need to diminish the efforts of others or to brag about the accomplishment.

tl;dr gz on the guild hall and please consider restarting the thread

The fact that he did not explain how he did it with 2 people leaves doubt. Like you mentioned, the OP could have came here with a detailed description of how he actually did it. Instead he came in like a pompous kitten and said I’m cool and all those that aren’t cool need to bugger off. I think he’s full of it and leaving a lot of how it was really done out of his story.

Actually the OP did say.. in answer to something I put out there… he said he played TP while his wife farmed the necessaries to get the upgrades, all by her lonesome – - believe that if will… personally I smelt a rat having seen the effort required by my own guild which is only not too much larger in size and we put a lot of time into GW2.
I still think the credit card theory came into play a lot more than was being said .. each to there own though.

As for them 2 manning the guild hall quest – video or it never happened I guess, so they would of pugged another 4-7 members in order to get it done (I found personally having a max of 9 players the best size for success but less than 6 was also a pain with the timers in mind)

FOX.3582:

I really really really don’t understand where this “small guilds can not have Guild Halls/Favor” talk is comming from. I see a lot of topics on it and people are saying the biggest nonsense I’ve ever seen here on the forums.

My guild has 2 people. Me and my wife.
We have our guild hall. We have almost 2000 favor. And we even have upgrades in our guild hall. The coolest thing that I am very proud of is the fact that until now we did not even spend gold on the upgrades, (and believe when I say we have more then enough gold/materials) what means that with patience and farming you can have this upgrades for almost free until a certain point.

Before HOT we could not even start a mission. We could not even obtain merits!

I don’t know about all this people saying otherwise but they just talk nonsense. The one thing HOT really did for us is making guilds very small guild friendly. Please friends do some more effort when you want to achieve something. Don’t come here on the forums asking for everything to be thrown at you.

FOX…

thumbs up for you and your wife =D

showing work is better than crying.

Hannelore.8153:

Please explain how you did this because me and my partner are veterans who had a small guild of 4-5, forged entirely by us, with full level 6 upgrades before the update, yet we cannot even complete the mission to claim our guild hall because it overwhelms a few players. If you got help from another guild, your entire post is useless because it just shows that you had to find workarounds anyway.

Every time i see a post like this i’m scratching my head. Please try to explain to me what exactly is the problem.

There is literally nothing that can stop a guild of 5 players to claim a guild hall – 100 g is not a problem, you can get favor easily by doing Trek and Bounty with 5 players too. Is the event itself gives you a hard time? If thats the case, so its just a L2P issue, dont want to sound rude.

Couple of days ago i joined a LFG that was looking for help in capturing a guild hall. It was literally a 1 man “guild”. He found 3 other players, and we helped him capture his own guild hall. The whole event was done in about 20 minutes. Last boss can be hard, but if you stay ranged, you should defeat him without much trouble.

You dont even need to use LFG, you already have your 5 players party. So just go there and capture it. You may fail couple of times, but it is doable.

Now, the actual guild hall upgrading is another issue, and i can see how it is hard for small guilds. But again – its doable, it just will take more time to build upgrades you need.

While I am still behind everything I have said, I want to admit to some people (who also have stated this) that the title is wrong. I apologize for this, and I will change the title. This was not the way it should be interpreted.

Bloodstealer.5978:

Lobo Dela Noche.5127:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

I commend the OP’s duprass for establishing and upgrading their own guild hall. That is indeed awesome and deserving of praise, etc.

I am less fond of the OP’s post and especially the title. Instead of saying, “stop complaining, you lazy sourdough batards — it’s not that hard,” the OP could have simply said, “here’s how to build up a two-person guild hall” or “my two-person guild prefers the new system because…” and explained how you did it. There is no need to diminish the efforts of others or to brag about the accomplishment.

tl;dr gz on the guild hall and please consider restarting the thread

The fact that he did not explain how he did it with 2 people leaves doubt. Like you mentioned, the OP could have came here with a detailed description of how he actually did it. Instead he came in like a pompous kitten and said I’m cool and all those that aren’t cool need to bugger off. I think he’s full of it and leaving a lot of how it was really done out of his story.

Actually the OP did say.. in answer to something I put out there… he said he played TP while his wife farmed the necessaries to get the upgrades, all by her lonesome – - believe that if will… personally I smelt a rat having seen the effort required by my own guild which is only not too much larger in size and we put a lot of time into GW2.
I still think the credit card theory came into play a lot more than was being said .. each to there own though.

As for them 2 manning the guild hall quest – video or it never happened I guess, so they would of pugged another 4-7 members in order to get it done (I found personally having a max of 9 players the best size for success but less than 6 was also a pain with the timers in mind)

Thank you. People like you are making me even more proud. Like I said, about €50,- a year we spend on gems, and we have never converted it to gold. Please don’t offend us like that. Converting gems to gold is really something a real rich or really stupid person would do looking at this gold/gem rate.

People I am not really rich or something like that in this game. I do not own 200K gold. But we are also far from poor. Farming gold/materials is not rocket-science in this game peeps! -.-
I also must say we don’t even play that much. I still consider us kinda casual. Like I said before, people can either believe me and do something about their problem with the little info I gave. Or they could stay stubborn and cry that it is to hard…

Ow and another thing. You people do know, you can join more then 1 guild right¿ Or you can build up friends and make a nice friend-list full of people who can help you with stuff. Anyway there are so many possibilities! Like studying the TP a little, not a lot just a little. Enough to know that you should not buy or sell things at specific times. (NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO BUY FLAX) Hint hint hint! Play this game the way you like. Don’t rush things. Take time to study things or farm some materials. Place buy orders instead of buying-out cause you don’t have patience. Etc etc etc. I do not want to make this a “FOX Tips&Tricks” thread so I am gonna stop here. :p
Can always contact me in game tho…

So don’t do stupid things people and most important, have fun!