Guild Wars 2

Draknar.5748:

Tao.5096:

I knew it.
I always knew it.
I always said it.
Gw2 is p2w.

What’s the context here? Are you one of those people that honestly believes getting a cosmetic item is “winning”? I could never get one of you guys to answer the question, “win what?” GW2? Like that dreamthistle skin somehow lets you complete FoTM50 or dominate everyone in PvP?

I’ll save time by telling you there is no good answer to what it is they are paying to win without sounding ridiculous.

I’m not that guy, and i don’t believe its p2w, i just think things could be done better slgihtly, but nobody’s perfect, and everyones out to make money. I just feel certain aspects would have me more likely to spend money if they were implemented. that’s my opinion.

It is nice however that these forums are full of active people with varying opinions. forums in some other games feel dead

So you guys deny that Gw2 is Play to Win?

Like grind it depends on your definition. If you define P2W as buying better items for cash that you can get in game then no. If you count “winning” as getting a particular skin that’s only available via a lottery or paid up front on the Gem Shop then you and I have different definitions to “winning”.

As for buying gold indirectly for cash to buy items off the TP, by having an official means puts pressure on the RMT brokers who would have existed anyways. People with money would be paying someone cash for gold to buy desired items, just not ANet.

Edit: See what you did there.

Tao.5096:

So you guys deny that Gw2 is Play to Win?

Clearly I need to ask this.

They paid money to win….what exactly?

EDIT: I just now noticed you wrote Play to Win. Yes, GW2 is Play to Win lol. If that was a typo, then see above. If it was intentional, then touche.

Draknar.5748:

Tao.5096:

So you guys deny that Gw2 is Play to Win?

Clearly I need to ask this.

They paid money to win….what exactly?

EDIT: I just now noticed you wrote Play to Win. Yes, GW2 is Play to Win lol. If that was a typo, then see above. If it was intentional, then touche.

i regret nothing

edgarallanpwn.8739:

segman.3560:

I could understand your argument if the grind was indeed connected to the power level of your gear. However we’re talking about cosmetics. So it is only your choice to aim for cosmetics. Whether it comes from achievements or cash shop it’ll always be some kind of grind.

Now you have a choice:
more time grind – less or no cash spend for a skin
less or no grind – more cash spend for a skin

Looks fair to me. It is only up to you if you go for cosmetics and how are you going to pay for them – with your time/gold or with your cash. You don’t need those skins, you want them. When I want something, I go to work, I get paid and I buy what I want.

The argument is that if i pay 140$ for something, i want to use it when i want, not gated by xmog stones. It doesn’t matter that you can earn them, or buy more of them, if i drop real $ into the skin, i don’t want to have to earn something else to effectively use it more than once. I want to use it, how i want, when i want, NSA.

Unfortunately there are strings, whether people are ok with those or not is an irrelevant point

First of all edgarallanpwn, welcome to GW2. Since you’re new player, you wouldn’t understand the way things were b4 the wardrobe was put in place, so i’ll take the liberty to fill you in a bit and perhaps you may appreciate better what we have now.

The skins were still there, they cost the same and they’ve character based. So if you wanted to use that same skin on 2 different characters, you had to buy 2 of them and were one use only. Not only that, your current armor looks would be overwritten and lost forever! Now, that armor skin is stored in your wardrobe and u can always revert back at a cost of a trans charge.

On top of that, after the first use, if you wanted to change some parts of that skin for eg: shoulders, and those shoulders were level 80, you had to also buy fine transmutation crystals, which cost the same if not more as transs charges do now. The difference was, you could not earn those fine trans crystals in the game as u now can earn trans charges. There was always a chance of getting one here and there as reward for completing dailies or story missions for eg, but basically u had to buy them.

So they added the wardrobe system, made the skins account based, so you only ever had to by 1, which upon use gets unlocked in your wardrobe for all your characters and u can play with it as much as you want. To offset the income loss they introduced trans charges and in my eyes, the way the system is now, is awesome, cheap and very fair. You have to understand that Anet’s only income is from the gem store (and the cheap box price of the game ofc) and unlike in many other f2p or b2p games, you’re not gated form any content. I’ve seen many people on this very forum accuse Anet of greed, but I’ve never felt that way about them, not in gw1 and not in gw2 either. Put it this way, I’ve played many other games incl. sub games that are waaaay greedier than you can ever accuse Anet of.

Now i understand what you’re saying, pay once use forever, but what does that say then of a company with a sub game that requires you to pay every month just to play their game and have a cash shop to boot? I’m curious as to why is Anet constantly being accused of being greedy (not that i’m saying you’ve accused them of that but others have) and criticized for trying to make a buck to produce new content for this game and pay their staff, while other companies seem to get away with highway robbery and still be praised? I mean u get this amazing game and free updates for a very small amount of money really and people complain about trans charges which are so cheap and can be easily earned in game as well. Don’t get me wrong, it would be nice to get all this stuff like u said, but i also understand that they have to make money somehow, or else there would be no gw2 to speak of.

In the end, just like in real life, you want that look? You go out and buy it, but I do hope that none of that cosmetic stuff will diminish your enjoyment of this wonderful game, but rather, enhance it. Good luck and as I always say, have fun!

Tiger Ashante.1792:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

segman.3560:

I could understand your argument if the grind was indeed connected to the power level of your gear. However we’re talking about cosmetics. So it is only your choice to aim for cosmetics. Whether it comes from achievements or cash shop it’ll always be some kind of grind.

Now you have a choice:
more time grind – less or no cash spend for a skin
less or no grind – more cash spend for a skin

Looks fair to me. It is only up to you if you go for cosmetics and how are you going to pay for them – with your time/gold or with your cash. You don’t need those skins, you want them. When I want something, I go to work, I get paid and I buy what I want.

The argument is that if i pay 140$ for something, i want to use it when i want, not gated by xmog stones. It doesn’t matter that you can earn them, or buy more of them, if i drop real $ into the skin, i don’t want to have to earn something else to effectively use it more than once. I want to use it, how i want, when i want, NSA.

Unfortunately there are strings, whether people are ok with those or not is an irrelevant point

So they added the wardrobe system, made the skins account based, so you only ever had to by 1, which upon use gets unlocked in your wardrobe for all your characters and u can play with it as much as you want. To offset the income loss they introduced trans charges and in my eyes, the way the system is now, is awesome, cheap and very fair. You have to understand that Anet’s only income is from the gem store (and the cheap box price of the game ofc) and unlike in many other f2p or b2p games, you’re not gated form any content. I’ve seen many people on this very forum accuse Anet of greed, but I’ve never felt that way about them, not in gw1 and not in gw2 either. Put it this way, I’ve played many other games incl. sub games that are waaaay greedier than you can ever accuse Anet of.

Now i understand what you’re saying, pay once use forever, but what does that say then of a company with a sub game that requires you to pay every month just to play their game and have a cash shop to boot?

I have one problem with your argument a bit. Thanks for all the info however i have to politely disagree.(i actually just bought an outfit since i am leveling 3 characters at the same time).

I dont mind getting xmog stones
I dont mind buying items.

But needing xmog stones for skins to change everytime means that it is dependent on those stones yes? How easily i can get them or not(paying) doesn’t matter, the $ i just spent is now gated by those stones. In this way, that makes anet greedier than if they just did away with xmog stones altogether.

What harm is that going to do?

They might lose some sales on stones, but if they weren’t required, i would be open to buying a lot more skins because i could change them at will. Skins make more money that stones, so that would be an increase in sales right?

Also, just because other games are worse, isn’t a reason for something that’s slightly better to be ok. That’s like saying you’ll let a robber go because he only stabbed you, instead of shooting you. He still did harm to you(that’s a logical fallacy).

Im open for thoughts on this, as this is just how i feel, but logically speaking i feel they would make more money by just removing stones all together.

this is of course absent any mathematical evidence on how much $ they actually make on skins vs stones etc

When you buy a skin you can use it first time for free on a desired item.
Every next use costs you a charge.

I don’t why it should be different because these are different services.

segman.3560:

When you buy a skin you can use it first time for free on a desired item.
Every next use costs you a charge.

I don’t why it should be different because these are different services.

Why only the 1st time?

Do you buy a toy from the store, only use it once, then go back to pay to use it again?

That logic makes no sense.

Wrong analogy.

You have two dolls. You buy a dress for one doll and want the second doll to have the same dress. You need to buy the same dress again.

When you buy a car and want to change it’s colour you need to pay for respray.

GW2 system works better because it stores your historically gathered skins in the wardrobe and allows you to use a skin again with transmutation charge. So it is even better because you don’t need second skin, you only need to photocopy it for your second doll.

Sorry but it’s your logic that makes your sense. What I can see is you feeling entitled but as I can see in this thread a majority doesn’t agree with you.

edgarallanpwn.8739:

segman.3560:

When you buy a skin you can use it first time for free on a desired item.
Every next use costs you a charge.

I don’t why it should be different because these are different services.

Why only the 1st time?

Do you buy a toy from the store, only use it once, then go back to pay to use it again?

That logic makes no sense.

You’re thinking of the skin the wrong way.

The toy analogy is more like the actual equipment you apply the skin to. You can equip and use that equipment as many times as you’d like.

If you wanted to paint that toy you bought to give it a different appearance, you could go out and buy a can of paint that is just the right amount to color the toy once, completely. If you wanted to paint another toy (i.e. another piece of equipment) the same way, you’d need another can of paint. Skins are the paint.

Transmute charges are easy to farm and are not a significant barrier to customisation. As said previously, farm spvp, clear maps, login daily and you will have plenty

segman.3560:

Wrong analogy.

You have two dolls. You buy a dress for one doll and want the second doll to have the same dress. You need to buy the same dress again.

When you buy a car and want to change it’s colour you need to pay for respray.

GW2 system works better because it stores your historically gathered skins in the wardrobe and allows you to use a skin again with transmutation charge. So it is even better because you don’t need second skin, you only need to photocopy it for your second doll.

Sorry but it’s your logic that makes your sense. What I can see is you feeling entitled but as I can see in this thread a majority doesn’t agree with you.

Yeah you’re right. I used the wrong analogy. And so did you. It was EOD at work so i’m a little off.

Ni ether of these analogies really work seeing as these a virtual items. There is no physical materials needs to make these. you could try and count code, but even then that’s still doesn’t fit either analogy.

To recolor a car you need physical paint. Physical paint requires materials from the paint from other vendors aka real money cost. Reusing a skin doesn’t require anything(except in this case a virtual item). I am exchange PHYSICAL money, for virtual items, i dont want to have my virtual items, gated by another virtual item(that is also conveniently available for purchase).

It doesnt take anyone to remake the code that puts the costume on the next piece. Its already there. You already payed for it.

It DOES require more physical materials to make a second dress for the doll in your analogy.

Also, its Argumentum ad populum to assume that just because the majority agrees, that that conclusion is correct. and …entitled? Really? You don’t feel entitled to what you paid for?

Man, i used to think people were smart, but its no wonder this generation of gamers is easy to wrap up in p2p and p2w games because they think stuff like that’s ok. People are ok with getting ripped off. Now, this isn’t anywhere near as bad as other games, but the theory is still all the same.

Metasynaptic.1093:

Transmute charges are easy to farm and are not a significant barrier to customisation. As said previously, farm spvp, clear maps, login daily and you will have plenty

That’s fine, as i stated before, i understand they may be “easier to obtain”. But easier when? When i am higher level? So i have to wait? And Farm? So now i have to farm and wait and grind to use the virtual item i just paid PHYSICAL currency for, when i want.

Thats a pretty big barrier. Also you still agreed that it’s a barrier, which was my point. What if i want to wear something from lvl1? I can’t really unless i PAY for more charges.

Should all items work this way? Idk maybe, maybe not. But at least stuff i buy from the store with real $ shouldn’t.

YOu bought the skin, used it and have your skin on your armor. End of transaction.

Want to use it another time – you can do it with trans charge.

Whether you accept it or not it’s how it works. And yes, you sound very entitled. As you stated – it’s a virtual world. You don’t own anything here. Neither your account nor any skin in gem store even if you buy it.

segman.3560:

YOu bought the skin, used it and have your skin on your armor. End of transaction.

Want to use it another time – you can do it with trans charge.

Whether you accept it or not it’s how it works. And yes, you sound very entitled. As you stated – it’s a virtual world. You don’t own anything here. Neither your account nor any skin in gem store even if you buy it.

I can also speak up about it. Just because that’s the way it is, doesn’t mean its ok, or the best way.

You’re right, we don’t own anything here. So what if anet just banned your account for no reason. Would you complain? Yeah, you’d try to get your account back. You would feel entitled to your account right? I mean if not, say it right now, because then you’re just talking our your behind. You downloaded the game(which is what you paid for) but the account is sole property of anet, just like every other game as stated in the TOS. But would that make it right? No.

Make a counter argument, not a blanket statement.

edgarallanpwn.8739:

segman.3560:

When you buy a skin you can use it first time for free on a desired item.
Every next use costs you a charge.

I don’t why it should be different because these are different services.

Why only the 1st time?

Do you buy a toy from the store, only use it once, then go back to pay to use it again?

That logic makes no sense.

You don’t need anything. It is all purely cosmetic. Your looking at it all wrong in opinion. Personally, I feel transmutation stones (at least get the name right) come so easily, that I ha e never had to buy them. The system doesn’t make sense to you, simply because you refuse to accept it. You have to use a consumable so e to transmute skins. What is so confusing about that?

You can get gems with gold too eh. Don’t always need to use them dollars. So while yes, it is gated, it is a pretty soft gate.

edgarallanpwn.8739:

segman.3560:

YOu bought the skin, used it and have your skin on your armor. End of transaction.

Want to use it another time – you can do it with trans charge.

Whether you accept it or not it’s how it works. And yes, you sound very entitled. As you stated – it’s a virtual world. You don’t own anything here. Neither your account nor any skin in gem store even if you buy it.

I can also speak up about it. Just because that’s the way it is, doesn’t mean its ok, or the best way.

You’re right, we don’t own anything here. So what if anet just banned your account for no reason. Would you complain? Yeah, you’d try to get your account back. You would feel entitled to your account right? I mean if not, say it right now, because then you’re just talking our your behind. You downloaded the game(which is what you paid for) but the account is sole property of anet, just like every other game as stated in the TOS. But would that make it right? No.

Make a counter argument, not a blanket statement.

You already have 2 pages of arguments, you just don’t want to agree with them. It’s your choice. And you’re becoming very hostile with your posts and I’m going to report last two of them.

So about taking over my account or anything – I am guarded by ToS so until I do sth against it I feel pretty sure my account is safe.

However – do you see anywhere in ToS your right to use anything from gem store without limitations?

I’m going to repeat this every time because you’re ignoring those arguments:
You buy the skin, you apply the skin to your armor – end of transaction.
This is how this system works, you can accept it or leave the game.
There’s NOTHING in ToS giving you any entitlement on cosmetics.
It is ONLY your CHOICE to use/buy them.

Toodles

coglin.1867:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

segman.3560:

When you buy a skin you can use it first time for free on a desired item.
Every next use costs you a charge.

I don’t why it should be different because these are different services.

Why only the 1st time?

Do you buy a toy from the store, only use it once, then go back to pay to use it again?

That logic makes no sense.

You don’t need anything. It is all purely cosmetic. Your looking at it all wrong in opinion. Personally, I feel transmutation stones (at least get the name right) come so easily, that I ha e never had to buy them. The system doesn’t make sense to you, simply because you refuse to accept it. You have to use a consumable so e to transmute skins. What is so confusing about that?

I never said it was confusing at all. I UNDERSTAND the system. I am not new to mmo’s in game and out of game stores, or any of this. I stated that if they removed the gate they might get better sales. And how can i look at something in the “wrong opinion”? Opinions aren’t right or wrong, that’s why they are opinions. My viewpoint can be wrong however.

segman.3560:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

segman.3560:

YOu bought the skin, used it and have your skin on your armor. End of transaction.

Want to use it another time – you can do it with trans charge.

Whether you accept it or not it’s how it works. And yes, you sound very entitled. As you stated – it’s a virtual world. You don’t own anything here. Neither your account nor any skin in gem store even if you buy it.

I can also speak up about it. Just because that’s the way it is, doesn’t mean its ok, or the best way.

You’re right, we don’t own anything here. So what if anet just banned your account for no reason. Would you complain? Yeah, you’d try to get your account back. You would feel entitled to your account right? I mean if not, say it right now, because then you’re just talking our your behind. You downloaded the game(which is what you paid for) but the account is sole property of anet, just like every other game as stated in the TOS. But would that make it right? No.

Make a counter argument, not a blanket statement.

You already have 2 pages of arguments, you just don’t want to agree with them. It’s your choice. And you’re becoming very hostile with your posts and I’m going to report last two of them.

So about taking over my account or anything – I am guarded by ToS so until I do sth against it I feel pretty sure my account is safe.

However – do you see anywhere in ToS your right to use anything from gem store without limitations?

I’m going to repeat this every time because you’re ignoring those arguments:
You buy the skin, you apply the skin to your armor – end of transaction.
This is how this system works, you can accept it or leave the game.
There’s NOTHING in ToS giving you any entitlement on cosmetics.
It is ONLY your CHOICE to use/buy them.

Toodles

Its clear you didnt read my argument or TOS either. You have no rights in ToS. In ANY GAME. Your account is the SOLE IP of Anet currently. They can ban you at any time for an reason and not tell you why.

Will they? Hopefully not, but they have every power to do so. You are guarded by NOTHING other than the hope of good morals and ethics by anet.

Also…. 2 pages of “you can use xmog stones” isn’t an argument when i already countered that with the fact it’s still a gate.

You can toodles all you want. but until you bring a counter argument you have done nothing but repeat a debunked statement.

edgarallanpwn.8739:

I never said it was confusing at all. I UNDERSTAND the system. I am not new to mmo’s in game and out of game stores, or any of this. I stated that if they removed the gate they might get better sales. And how can i look at something in the “wrong opinion”? Opinions aren’t right or wrong, that’s why they are opinions. My viewpoint can be wrong however.

But will it be enough more sales to cover the income that they get with the current system?
That is rather unlikely.

Its clear you didnt read my argument or TOS either. You have no rights in ToS. In ANY GAME. Your account is the SOLE IP of Anet currently. They can ban you at any time for an reason and not tell you why.
Will they? Hopefully not, but they have every power to do so. You are guarded by NOTHING.
Also…. 2 pages of “you can use xmog stones” isn’t an argument when i already countered that with the fact it’s still a gate.
You can toodles all you want. but until you bring a counter argument you have done nothing but repeat a debunked statement.

It’s obvious you’re totally spoiled with your entitlement. We can’t help you here.

You buy the skin, you apply the skin to your armor – end of transaction.
This is how this system works, you can accept it or leave the game.
There’s NOTHING in ToS giving you any entitlement on cosmetics.
It is ONLY your CHOICE to use/buy them.

Just because you can’t accept the argument it doesn’t make you right.
You THINK you countered anything here yet other posters are still proving you wrong with the same arguments I’m doing.

Vote with your wallet.

I hope this thread will be closed before it becomes more agressive.

Toodles.

segman.3560:

Its clear you didnt read my argument or TOS either. You have no rights in ToS. In ANY GAME. Your account is the SOLE IP of Anet currently. They can ban you at any time for an reason and not tell you why.
Will they? Hopefully not, but they have every power to do so. You are guarded by NOTHING.
Also…. 2 pages of “you can use xmog stones” isn’t an argument when i already countered that with the fact it’s still a gate.
You can toodles all you want. but until you bring a counter argument you have done nothing but repeat a debunked statement.

It’s obvious you’re totally spoiled with your entitlement. We can’t help you here.

You buy the skin, you apply the skin to your armor – end of transaction.
This is how this system works, you can accept it or leave the game.
There’s NOTHING in ToS giving you any entitlement on cosmetics.
It is ONLY your CHOICE to use/buy them.

Just because you can’t accept the argument it doesn’t make you right.
You THINK you countered anything here yet other posters are still proving you wrong with the same arguments I’m doing.

Vote with your wallet.

I hope this thread will be closed before it becomes more agressive.

Toodles.

Whoa dude. That’s your second toodles. Did i strike a nerve? Was it because i had a point and you didn’t? the only one getting angry here seems to be you.

Also i’m still waiting for the “proof”. How do you prove my opinion wrong? lordkrall had a good counter argument, but you however just seem to spout the same crap over and over while raging in an online thread. I beg of you to please think critically.

As for being aggressive, there no insults here, no name calling, no rudeness, just a clash of opinions. If this is “aggressive” to you, maybe you need to stop projecting your problems here, and go see a friend, maybe calm down. Not sure why you are so angry.

lordkrall.7241:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

I never said it was confusing at all. I UNDERSTAND the system. I am not new to mmo’s in game and out of game stores, or any of this. I stated that if they removed the gate they might get better sales. And how can i look at something in the “wrong opinion”? Opinions aren’t right or wrong, that’s why they are opinions. My viewpoint can be wrong however.

But will it be enough more sales to cover the income that they get with the current system?
That is rather unlikely.

I brought this up, but i have no mathematical evidence to say one way or the other. Only anet would know, and i doubt they would share that info with its playerbase.

Its possible that they make more money from xmog stones, but that means against part of the original debate started by someone stated he heard a lot of players saying atnet was “greedy” could be true. Idk anything about rumors or greed or any of that yet, not has it affected me yet.

I just simply wondered why they haven’t done that yet, under the assumption it would also increase sales. So far you are only the second person to come up with a counter argument, which would be they make more money this way. And i don’t know the answer to that. But if they did, then in my yes whats win/loss.

But my opinion is the other side too, what if this change would grant them more money? Then people could use their skins at any level. Without any gating. At any time. If my case were true, it would be win/win right?

I guess that would be the deciding factor which would be the monetary aspect primarily which none of us here have access to

You make a statement that making skins usable without charges can make anet a profit. The burden of proof is on you. Until you can prove us your idea works we have to do absolutely nothing with your proofless statement.

anet is a corporation, they have instruments to scout the market and check their best solutions. I am almost sure they’ve explored your point of view long before creating the wardrobe or releasing GW2.

So…

You buy the skin, you apply the skin to your armor – end of transaction.
This is how this system works, you can accept it or leave the game.
There’s NOTHING in ToS giving you any entitlement on cosmetics.
It is ONLY your CHOICE to use/buy them.

Toodles.

segman.3560:

You make a statement that making skins usable without charges can make anet a profit. The burden of proof is on you. Until you can prove us your idea works we have to do absolutely nothing with your proofless statement.

anet is a corporation, they have instruments to scout the market and check their best solutions. I am almost sure they’ve explored your point of view long before creating the wardrobe or releasing GW2.

So…

You buy the skin, you apply the skin to your armor – end of transaction.
This is how this system works, you can accept it or leave the game.
There’s NOTHING in ToS giving you any entitlement on cosmetics.
It is ONLY your CHOICE to use/buy them.

Toodles.

3rd toodles from you. Are you going to keep leaving and coming back?

And if that were true, why was the gem store not this way in the first place? Why do you think the gem store changed? Why do you think the way skins and outfits were implemented was changed?

Why does that not mean more changes cannot be made?

That debunks that statement right there. If your statement was correct, then there would have been no need to change the store from day 1 implementation because it would have been fine right?

I have yet to see your proof about making a profit from changing current system to yours.

Why gem store was changed? And was it? It was a wardrobe that was introduced and made them to simplify transmutation system for new concept. Why was it made? I am not your tutor. Go and do some research about wardrobe and why was it introduced.

Toodles.

segman.3560:

I have yet to see your proof about making a profit from changing current system to yours.

Why gem store was changed? And was it? It was a wardrobe that was introduced and made them to simplify transmutation system for new concept. Why was it made? I am not your tutor. Go and do some research about wardrobe and why was it introduced.

Toodles.

So you ignored the fact that my questions countered your point, and instead of offering a counter to that, you gave up and provided a general statement.

Dunning-Kruger all over again.

“It was a wardrobe that was introduced and made them to simplify transmutation system for new concept” And why was this change made? Possibly because the previous system wasn’t as efficient as making sales? So that means their intent was to make more money.

You can rage all you want but getting made doesn’t make a good argument.

“It was a wardrobe that was introduced and made them to simplify transmutation system for new concept” And why was this change made? Possibly because the previous system wasn’t as efficient as making sales? So that means their intent was to make more money.

No. Go, do some research.

Still no proof from you.

Toodles.

segman.3560:

“It was a wardrobe that was introduced and made them to simplify transmutation system for new concept” And why was this change made? Possibly because the previous system wasn’t as efficient as making sales? So that means their intent was to make more money.

No. Go, do some research.

Still no proof from you.

Toodles.

Checkmate bud

Any changes made to a game after release are monetary. There is no other reason.

If they changed the system because people were complaining, it was to avoid a loss of sales.

If they changed the system to make it more efficient, it was to increase sales.

I’d see a therapist for your anger issues however.

I’m open to other arguments or viewpoints form anyone else.

You’re so very mistaken.

I’m not your tutor so I have no obligation to teach you how to do the research.

Proof for your opening post pls.