Guild Wars 2

(My thoughts when i realised i need 21 days to craft mawdrey)

Just another argument against time gate.

You know, when you want some free space it is more profitable to buy new account, especially during sales. We can utilize character slots + bank space.

Also, you can do more dailies and have more bonus chests from bosses.

Now, we can add another argument: crafting. We can craft more daily ingredients.

Arena.net, please, don’t force us to buy new accounts to abuse your system and avoid artificial barriers.

I probably would have done the same thing. There are a few issues with it. At this stage its not worth it but if I had of known at launch what I know now I probably would have had 2-3 accounts.

ezd.6359:

(My thoughts when i realised i need 21 days to craft mawdrey)

Just another argument against time gate.

You know, when you want some free space it is more profitable to buy new account, especially during sales. We can utilize character slots + bank space.

Also, you can do more dailies and have more bonus chests from bosses.

Now, we can add another argument: crafting. We can craft more daily ingredients.

Arena.net, please, don’t force us to buy new accounts to abuse your system and avoid artificial barriers.

They’re not forcing you into anything. You are the one who thinks you should be getting that stuff faster.

Owning multiple accounts in games which require accounts isn’t exactly a rare thing. How many accounts do you think a hardcore WoW multiboxer has? How much more expensive do you think that is compared to the box price of GW2?

Hell, I remember happily buying another set of Diablo II and Diablo II: Lord of Destruction so that I could transfer stuff from one of my characters to the other without any risk of it being stolen or erased.

Multiple accounts for things like Dailies don’t make sense. The sheer amount of time it would take to break even when compared to using that money to buy Gems instead makes it a pretty bad trade.

If you’re complaining about time gating, at least complain in a way that makes some sense. At this point, you would be making more sense if you spammed this forum with 20 topics called “TIMEGATING SUCKS DONKEY kitten”.

20 charged quartz>1 a day>account bound mat

The dailies make sense because laurels.

Instead of buying more accounts, how about you…

Get some guildmates or friends? I made my Mawdrey in 7 days because I bypassed timegate through friends. I also had plenty of CQC lying around.

I don’t see the benefit in having multiple accounts considering that most things worth having are account bound.

First, i guess no game company will hate you for buying multiple acc.

Second, you can have extra laurel each month, try to think about it, use the alt acc only for doing dailies and monthlies, all convert into T6 mat….

see what i mean?

Some of us do not profit from more than one account. Why? Because we hold both/all accounts equally important. The gain may increase but so does demand.

You ask me to play around artificial barriers using game methods while we have more effective method in many cases.

P.S. And yes, timegating sucks!

ezd.6359:

(My thoughts when i realised i need 21 days to craft mawdrey)

Suggestion: Instead of spending time on a 2nd account, leveling characters, training crafters, gathering materials to craft the time-gated materials simultaneously on both accounts, why don’t you spend that time on doing different activities (e.g. dungeons you don’t run otherwise, visit maps/world events you haven’t visited and so on), exchanging the resulting loot into coin to buy the extra timegated materials on the trading post?

If you have enough time to duplicate all that is needed to craft mawdrey in the minimum 21 days without buying extras, the time should be more than enough to get the in-game currency to just buy the extras. Same goes for ascended time-gated materials really, there’s nothing stopping you from profiting of other people’s time to craft extras.

ANet would be thrilled if you bought multiple accounts. They would not care in the least whether you use this method to skip time gating. As a matter of fact, they already allow to you to bypass time gating – buy what you need on the TP.

You do realize you’d have to farm a bunch of geodes for each of these accounts so you could buy the recipes, right? Geodes are account bound, recipes are account bound. If you somehow think that’s worth it, then go for it.

Esplen.3940:

Instead of buying more accounts, how about you…

Get some guildmates or friends? I made my Mawdrey in 7 days because I bypassed timegate through friends. I also had plenty of CQC lying around.

Yea, haha, any kind of time gated items I just ask guildies to donate their cooldowns to me. I give them mats, they make me items. I do the same for them. Makes time-gated stuff go by really fast, and is significantly easier/cheaper than buying multiple accounts, leveling up crafting for those characters, etc.

Olba.5376:

They’re not forcing you into anything. You are the one who thinks you should be getting that stuff faster.

This.

OPs suggestion that it’s Anet’s fault he seeks an extreme alternative to bypass game mechanics he doesn’t like is absurd….. The use of the term “force” makes the rest of your statements questionable. Make reasonable arguments and you will be treated to reasonable responses…..

The idea that an Ascended (TOP tier) backpack item should be available at any time goes against ALL As ended crafting available in the game. I understand if you don’t like that situation but it’s not a new concept.

the “artificial barriers” are there to prevent people from completing content in one day when it takes content several months to be developed.

There are some benefits to having mulitple accounts, but I think the heyday’s are over. Having multiple accounts back when champ bags were first released + scarlet invasions was…awesome.

Rasimir.6239:

ezd.6359:

(My thoughts when i realised i need 21 days to craft mawdrey)

Suggestion: Instead of spending time on a 2nd account, leveling characters, training crafters, gathering materials to craft the time-gated materials simultaneously on both accounts, why don’t you spend that time on doing different activities (e.g. dungeons you don’t run otherwise, visit maps/world events you haven’t visited and so on), exchanging the resulting loot into coin to buy the extra timegated materials on the trading post?

I can levelup via crafting and send materials using mail or guild bank. I don’t need to duplicate all activities to buy mats, i can buy it now. I talk about “Plate of Piquant Plant Food” it costs ~1.5g if i will craft it myself. Or 2.5g if i will buy it from TP. What the point to spend extra gold here?

calyx.9086:

ANet would be thrilled if you bought multiple accounts. They would not care in the least whether you use this method to skip time gating. As a matter of fact, they already allow to you to bypass time gating – buy what you need on the TP.

Nope. They will not get more money from me than usual. I will buy acc, but i will not buy something useless in gem shop. Same money but new account has many profits.

Olba.5376:

Olba.5376:

They’re not forcing you into anything. You are the one who thinks you should be getting that stuff faster.

This.

OPs suggestion that it’s Anet’s fault he seeks an extreme alternative to bypass game mechanics he doesn’t like is absurd….. The use of the term “force” makes the rest of your statements questionable. Make reasonable arguments and you will be treated to reasonable responses…..

The idea that an Ascended (TOP tier) backpack item should be available at any time goes against ALL As ended crafting available in the game. I understand if you don’t like that situation but it’s not a new concept.

Not faster. Cheaper! For actual cost! They indeed force me to do some math “spend money on TP or spend money to buy new acc”.

ezd.6359:

Rasimir.6239:

ezd.6359:

(My thoughts when i realised i need 21 days to craft mawdrey)

Suggestion: Instead of spending time on a 2nd account, leveling characters, training crafters, gathering materials to craft the time-gated materials simultaneously on both accounts, why don’t you spend that time on doing different activities (e.g. dungeons you don’t run otherwise, visit maps/world events you haven’t visited and so on), exchanging the resulting loot into coin to buy the extra timegated materials on the trading post?

I can levelup via crafting and send materials using mail or guild bank. I don’t need to duplicate all activities to buy mats, i can buy it now. I talk about “Plate of Piquant Plant Food” it costs ~1.5g if i will craft it myself. Or 2.5g if i will buy it from TP. What the point to spend extra gold here?

calyx.9086:

ANet would be thrilled if you bought multiple accounts. They would not care in the least whether you use this method to skip time gating. As a matter of fact, they already allow to you to bypass time gating – buy what you need on the TP.

Nope. They will not get more money from me than usual. I will buy acc, but i will not buy something useless in gem shop. Same money but new account has many profits.

Olba.5376:

Olba.5376:

They’re not forcing you into anything. You are the one who thinks you should be getting that stuff faster.

This.

OPs suggestion that it’s Anet’s fault he seeks an extreme alternative to bypass game mechanics he doesn’t like is absurd….. The use of the term “force” makes the rest of your statements questionable. Make reasonable arguments and you will be treated to reasonable responses…..

The idea that an Ascended (TOP tier) backpack item should be available at any time goes against ALL As ended crafting available in the game. I understand if you don’t like that situation but it’s not a new concept.

Not faster. Cheaper! For actual cost! They indeed force me to do some math “spend money on TP or spend money to buy new acc”.

1. There are apparently ACCOUNT bound ingredients. Meaning ones that you won’t be able to shuffle between accounts. Geodes are only found in Dry Top I believe, which is a level 80 zone. So now you have to get a character to level 80 to make your multiple accounts worth it. And you have to level up crafting on the other accounts, which may be hard if you don’t have a ton of materials in your bank. We can’t know that so we have to assume you’re the average player who doesn’t have enough in inventory to get to max crafting without buying things.

Suggestion given was to take the money you would put toward a new account to buy gems and then turn those gems to gold to buy the time gated material off of the TP.

2. You wouldn’t be buying anything useless from the gem store. And your statement leads me to believe that you don’t buy gems all that often, if at all. Which means they will be happy you buy more accounts. Because they may view that as the only way you’ll give them more money. If they design things to make you feel forced to make more accounts.

3. They aren’t forcing you to spend money either for TP or new account! You can wait out the 21 days on your current account and not spend anything extra to make it! It’s not going to disappear in less than 21 days.

Your “give it to me now, I must have what everyone else has yesterday” attitude is what is forcing you to either buy it off the TP or make a new account.

I actually have 2 accounts.

Quite honestly, it take much effort to manage the 2nd account. If you are that dedicated, I suppose go right ahead.

I give up my 2nd account a while ago. I still logon once in a while for example when they handling out freebies.

I do think there are benefits to 2nd account, but it take lots of works to make the 2nd account beneficial, and if it’s money you worry about there are ways to make decent money with just 1 account.

I’m working on my Mawdrey now too. I actually just bought all the material, in all seriously, I don’t bother leveling huntsman to 400 on my 2nd account just to save me a few gold.

If you are worrying about saving a few gold, all I can say is getting a 2nd account is a lot of work.

When you’re considering buying a second account over a name-change contract… What the heck is wrong with me. My main already has a good bit of ascended gear, plus all of those mats and some money. Why would I want to do that all over again?? Q_Q

I find the idea of purchasing multiple accounts rather than buying storage space piecemeal (or just deciding not to store quite so much) ironic. Back in GW, I wanted to try all the professions. I added in just after Factions came out, which left me with 2 character slots short. So, I bought another account. Of course, character slots were made available for purchase a few months later. Many times, I said, “Wish I’d waited.” as having to keep both accounts current was kind of a pain.

I don’t plan to “play” on second account. Only use it as storage / craft. Any way, this topic is not about “i want to buy another acc” it is about “remove stupid timegate where i need to pay extra money for nothing”.

So your argument is that… by removing time gating for crafting… you’ll be able to craft everything you want more easily… which means your crafting ingredients will be used quicker and not take up as much space… so you won’t have to buy more storage space or another account just for your crafting materials?

That is quite the leap of logic there.

ezd.6359:

I don’t plan to “play” on second account. Only use it as storage / craft. Any way, this topic is not about “i want to buy another acc” it is about “remove stupid timegate where i need to pay extra money for nothing”.

isn’t quartz time gate too? I presume you stocked up a bit of charged quartz crystal so your not complaining about it.

Else even having a 2nd account won’t save you.

Go right ahead and buy a 2nd account if you care that much. I don’t see a problem with that. People put in the effort and investment to get a 2nd account. Them getting a bit extra isn’t a problem.

I just think you are being a bit too dramatic here.

ezd.6359:

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Not faster. Cheaper! For actual cost! They indeed force me to do some math “spend money on TP or spend money to buy new acc”.

Again, your misuse of the word “force” brings everything you type into question…..

(Seriously….they “forced” you to do math?….wow)

ezd.6359:

You know, when you want some free space it is more profitable to buy new account, especially during sales. We can utilize character slots + bank space.

You mean more economically efficient in terms of gem-equivalent costs/slot. It’s not cheaper for me, because I can’t afford to spend real money on the game right now. It’s also more expensive in terms of time: I far prefer having all my stuff on a single account, since that requires far less effort to manage.

ezd.6359:

Also, you can do more dailies and have more bonus chests from bosses.

I can’t — as much time as I spend in Tyria, that would require more than I want to invest. Plus: I would burn out rather quickly.

ezd.6359:

Now, we can add another argument: crafting. We can craft more daily ingredients.

That’s true (assuming you have characters on both accounts with enough crafting ranks). But that’s not an “argument against” — it’s just a fact.

ezd.6359:

Arena.net, please, don’t force us to buy new accounts to abuse your system and avoid artificial barriers.

Buying additional accounts doesn’t abuse the system, although it is a way to reduce the artificial barriers. But it’s extremely costly in terms of time and almost always more economically efficient to simply pay extra for the mats you want. There are only a handful of occasions when it’s going to be cheaper in time, gold, and real world money to run multiple accounts.

tl;dr there are cheaper & easier ways to profit

Are you really trying to justify it? Is it absolute neccessary for game play? Brings fun may be? http://i.imgur.com/rngorCb.jpg

Profit… It is long term investment.

Of course, it is just one example where we can have ~1 gold for free daily, everyday (1 click = 1 gold) http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/66923

It is an example of bad design imho.

Time gating is only a huge issue when your game charges subscription each month. GW2 does not. You can take your time, and craft everything you want at your own pace.
And like it has been mention above, you can bypass a lot of the time gates just by buying stuff from TP.

so you get more out of a service if you pay more for it? Cool story.

If you think it is so good to get a 2nd account, I suggest you get it. I don’t know why you make such a drama out of it.

I have a 2nd account myself, it is pretty good. If anything, playing 2nd account while waiting for Teq is enough for me to buy a 2nd account.

If crafting some stuff wasn’t time gated prices would most likely skyrocket. So unless you had enough cash to buy all the stuff you needed, you would have to wait for quite some time until prices went down. In the end you wouldn’t get your shinies any faster.

I’m fine with time gating, and if this system encourages you to work with friends / guildmates / crafters who feel like crafting for other people is actually valuable for once to get around some of the time gating, that seems like a good system.

Can you eke out some advantages by having a second account? Sure. You could craft time gated things, do more world bosses, earn more laurels (for material bags), or gather more materials from the same locations. But just because you can bypass that stuff by playing alone with a second account doesn’t mean those limits are pointless and should be removed.