To those constant complainers...

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Posted by: Raine.1394

Raine.1394

why should paying customers not complain, and ask for fixes?

You paid 50$ to get access to the game and that’s it. Do you expect them to send you loveletters now? You can complain and I am pretty sure the devs appreciate it if it is constructive but most of the time you just see people crying and begging for changes for their own benefit.

People are entitled to complain all they want. That’s fine.

Well thought out, constructive posts will likely get noticed by someone at Anet. Unfortunately, a lot of posts are either lacking in data, lacking in thought process, or worded so offensively, with so much hyperbole, that it’s hard to take them seriously.

I don’t think people realize if they worded their stuff in less offensive ways it’s far more likely to be passed up the line.

It has been confirmed that CMs take important stuff up to the devs on a daily basis. If all the trolls would post coherent posts, that would increase the noise in these daily updates and drown out some of the more important topics. Don’t encourage people to write proper suggestions

Hopefully they only take the complaints you approve of to the devs because those are the only important issues. And by coherent posts you must mean anyone that writes a post you disagree with is a troll? Yeah that makes sense….

You forget about a little thing called human nature. And human nature is human.

SO you see someone that just badmouths everything, and you know…it’s not a great look. You take what he’s saying with a grain of salt, because so much of what that person says is just negative assumptions. Not factual.

Someone else comes along and says much the same thing, but calmly, without offering offense. Language and use of language is very important. I’m sure you’ve heard people say, “It’s not what you say but how you say it.” That cliche exists for a reason.

Why should anyone take seriously anyone who behaves that way?

’"It’s not what you say but how you say it." That cliche exists for a reason.’

It largely exists because most people prefer to nod their heads rather than use them. The cliche has resonated well in the pop-business culture as it meshes nicely with the later 20th century’s apotheosis of image over character and the general trend to confuse medium and message since McLuhan.

As communication is about the transfer or exchange of information or meaning, the content of communication is crucial. It can be communicated well or poorly, but it’s all about what you have to say, not how well you say it. Through dialogue it’s often possible to arrive at even the poorest communicator’s intended meaning and it’s often worth the effort.

This is also an ideal attitude for working with ideas on the forums. There are a variety of viewpoints here and people of various levels of skill in communication. But, most complaints are put forward as ideas. It is therefore better to engage with the ideas presented rather than move ad hominem and focus on personalities or the specific ways people share them. This usually raises the level of debate and prevents the most common form of derailment which is to move from the ideas to the people offering them.

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Posted by: danbuter.2314

danbuter.2314

I wish all of these constant complainers would just quit the game and get all of their friends to quit, too! Then I would be able to play all by myself on my server until Anet shuts them off in a week or two!

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Posted by: SadieDeAtreia.8912

SadieDeAtreia.8912

SO you see someone that just approves of everything, and you know…it’s not a great look. You take what he’s saying with a grain of salt, because so much of what that person says is just naive assumptions. Not factual.

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Why should anyone take seriously anyone who behaves that way?

I like the fixed version just as much.

You forget about a little thing called human nature. And human nature is human.

That right there. That’s gold.

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Posted by: bigtime.7410

bigtime.7410

Oh gawd not another one of these threads again… I didnt read OP or any of it, but let me guess:

“mmo’s take time to be good”
“if you dont like the game stop playing”

At leaste complaint threads talk about something relevant to the game which make the forums worth reading. Unlike complaints about complainers threads that dont discuss the game, or ad anything to the dicussion other than useless complaints aimed at people. These threads are garbage and should be locked instantly.

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

Oh gawd not another one of these threads again… I didnt read OP or any of it, but let me guess:

“mmo’s take time to be good”
“if you dont like the game stop playing”

At leaste complaint threads talk about something relevant to the game which make the forums worth reading. Unlike complaints about complainers threads that dont discuss the game, or ad anything to the dicussion other than useless complaints aimed at people. These threads are garbage and should be locked instantly.

SOME complaint threads talk about stuff that’s relevant to the game. Not all of them. Constructive and civils posts are quite different from whining posts. I mean if someone posted a thread that said Guardians need a buff, that wouldn’t particularly be relevant to the game, but it would still be a complaint thread.

One guy made a complaint thread that said he wants full on gear progression in this game. I’m not sure how that’s relevant.

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Posted by: bigtime.7410

bigtime.7410

ALL complaint threads talk about stuff that’s relevant to the game, if youre complaining about the game for wahtever reason be it offering an alternative, giving a suggestion why you dont like something, you are talking about the game, therefore making the thread relevant to the game, and others can respond with their ideas about the game which makes it all relevant to the game. These type of complaint threads, ones that comlpain about people rather than the game are NEVER relevant to the game and are nothing more than childish flame wars between 2 different types of personalities that are sometimes ammusing but never relevant to the game.

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Posted by: Drew.1865

Drew.1865

Oh gawd not another one of these threads again… I didnt read OP or any of it, but let me guess:

“mmo’s take time to be good”
“if you dont like the game stop playing”

At leaste complaint threads talk about something relevant to the game which make the forums worth reading. Unlike complaints about complainers threads that dont discuss the game, or ad anything to the dicussion other than useless complaints aimed at people. These threads are garbage and should be locked instantly.

SOME complaint threads talk about stuff that’s relevant to the game. Not all of them. Constructive and civils posts are quite different from whining posts. I mean if someone posted a thread that said Guardians need a buff, that wouldn’t particularly be relevant to the game, but it would still be a complaint thread.

One guy made a complaint thread that said he wants full on gear progression in this game. I’m not sure how that’s relevant.

It’s only relevant if you approve of or agree with it.

Is GW2 a game or a virtual casino?

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

Oh gawd not another one of these threads again… I didnt read OP or any of it, but let me guess:

“mmo’s take time to be good”
“if you dont like the game stop playing”

At leaste complaint threads talk about something relevant to the game which make the forums worth reading. Unlike complaints about complainers threads that dont discuss the game, or ad anything to the dicussion other than useless complaints aimed at people. These threads are garbage and should be locked instantly.

SOME complaint threads talk about stuff that’s relevant to the game. Not all of them. Constructive and civils posts are quite different from whining posts. I mean if someone posted a thread that said Guardians need a buff, that wouldn’t particularly be relevant to the game, but it would still be a complaint thread.

One guy made a complaint thread that said he wants full on gear progression in this game. I’m not sure how that’s relevant.

It’s only relevant if you approve of or agree with it.

Nope. It’s only relevant if it’s not completely misguided. If someone complains this game doesn’t have enough prancing ponies, not really relevant to the game. Some people want to turn this game into a full on gear grind, and that’s simply not going to happen. That’s a different game.

They may think it’s relevant but it’s not.

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Posted by: SadieDeAtreia.8912

SadieDeAtreia.8912

SOME complaint threads talk about stuff that’s relevant to the game. Not all of them. Constructive and civils posts are quite different from whining posts. I mean if someone posted a thread that said Guardians need a buff, that wouldn’t particularly be relevant to the game, but it would still be a complaint thread.

What about if someone mentioned that the game needs a LFG tool, for example?

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

SOME complaint threads talk about stuff that’s relevant to the game. Not all of them. Constructive and civils posts are quite different from whining posts. I mean if someone posted a thread that said Guardians need a buff, that wouldn’t particularly be relevant to the game, but it would still be a complaint thread.

What about if someone mentioned that the game needs a LFG tool, for example?

Then it’s a valid request. However saying that every game launches with one, and that it’s amazing that a game doesn’t have one is simply incorrect, since most MMO don’t launch with LFG tools. Very few of them actually do.

See I don’t mind when people honestly ask for something. I mind when they make stuff up to try to sell their point.

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Posted by: SadieDeAtreia.8912

SadieDeAtreia.8912

SOME complaint threads talk about stuff that’s relevant to the game. Not all of them. Constructive and civils posts are quite different from whining posts. I mean if someone posted a thread that said Guardians need a buff, that wouldn’t particularly be relevant to the game, but it would still be a complaint thread.

What about if someone mentioned that the game needs a LFG tool, for example?

Then it’s a valid request. However saying that every game launches with one, and that it’s amazing that a game doesn’t have one is simply incorrect, since most MMO don’t launch with LFG tools. Very few of them actually do.

See I don’t mind when people honestly ask for something. I mind when they make stuff up to try to sell their point.

As much as I appreciate the stab, I’d suggest you go re-read what I said about MMO’s and launching with LFG tools. Just to refresh your memory…

Back on topic, though…
So what you are saying is, if someone (lets say, you) makes a post about the lack of a LFG tool in game (because, lets say you were trolled on gw2lfg) then that’s considered a valid request?
Whereas, if someone else (lets say anyone not on your friends list, for example) makes a post asking why there still isn’t a LFG in the game after x months, its just another complaint from some random idiot who obviously has no clue what he/she is talking about as it is obviously not relevant to the game?

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

SOME complaint threads talk about stuff that’s relevant to the game. Not all of them. Constructive and civils posts are quite different from whining posts. I mean if someone posted a thread that said Guardians need a buff, that wouldn’t particularly be relevant to the game, but it would still be a complaint thread.

What about if someone mentioned that the game needs a LFG tool, for example?

Then it’s a valid request. However saying that every game launches with one, and that it’s amazing that a game doesn’t have one is simply incorrect, since most MMO don’t launch with LFG tools. Very few of them actually do.

See I don’t mind when people honestly ask for something. I mind when they make stuff up to try to sell their point.

As much as I appreciate the stab, I’d suggest you go re-read what I said about MMO’s and launching with LFG tools. Just to refresh your memory…

Back on topic, though…
So what you are saying is, if someone (lets say, you) makes a post about the lack of a LFG tool in game (because, lets say you were trolled on gw2lfg) then that’s considered a valid request?
Whereas, if someone else (lets say anyone not on your friends list, for example) makes a post asking why there still isn’t a LFG in the game after x months, its just another complaint from some random idiot who obviously has no clue what he/she is talking about as it is obviously not relevant to the game?

Nope, let’s try this again, carefully this time.

Saying there’s no looking for group tool in the game and I like one is fair game. Saying that most MMOs launch with a lfg tool is simply a lie. It’s untrue.

I’m not saying you said it…it doesn’t mean it hasn’t been said, and every time it is, I reply with a list of games that didn’t have an LFG tool at launch.

You can complain about stuff in a constructive way without making stuff up (you being the plural you, not you specifically).

Anyway, I made my post as much to talk about the LFG tool as I did to show the people who thought they were trolling me that it doesn’t matter at all.