Guild Wars 2

So there are two dailies that are Fractals. So if you want to get the daily reward you have to do Fractals YES or YES, or go to WvW or PvP..

I don’t do Fractals, i hate the toxicity in the community that plays that content, simply because i roll a ranger and those are speed runs mostly that kick out any player that don’t fit the meta.
I’m not in a guild that do fractals often neither. Anyway somehow after doing some of them because of mawdrey i learn to dislike that content because of the poor experience the random LFG there.

I’d like them to fix that, i should have the choice to be able to do dailies without have to suffer some content i actually don’t find fun.

If you put up an LFG saying you only want to do lvl 1 swamp (you can get one of the two daily fractal achievements for completing only a SINGLE map out of the four), I’m pretty sure people won’t mind you bringing a useless class in selfish gear. Running the orbs and killing mossy takes literally just 5 minutes even with a terrible group, there’s nothing to complain about regarding this daily. Unless you prefer whining to actually doing something and trying to adapt to the game.

Level 1 underwater fractal is extremely easy soloable with a ranger (dunno about other classes but should also be possible with them). Thats one of the dailies done in 5-10 minutes so no need to change anything.

It is a shame you get kicked for just being a ranger. If you know your class well and have the ability to melee, then what is the issue? I have been in groups with what some obviously deem as meta, some deal less dps due to gear etc etc bla bla. Hell if you can finish a fractal with a group, where is the problem? I don’t know why people kick certain classes.. even professions that are preferable in a group don’t seem to know much about their own class.
Guess you just got unlucky, people can be snobby and rude, it is why I generally do with a couple of friends. If they aren’t there I do the pvp dailies ON MY RANGER lolol

There are PvP daily rooms set up to cooperatively do dailies for PvE’ers who don’t want to PvP. They’re mostly very easy. It’s actually far faster to use them to get the PvE daily almost ever. That’s what a lot of people do.

It’s called PvP, but there’s no PvPing.

anduriell.6280:

I’d like them to fix that, i should have the choice to be able to do dailies without have to suffer some content i actually don’t find fun.

Suffer ?

The only suffering i have happen in fractals is when people don’t read the LFG advertisement.

It only takes a few minutes (maybe 5?) to do ‘Master of Ruins’, and I very rarely run into any players from an opposing team. It’s about as PvE in WvW as you can get, barring ‘Big Spender’.

Good luck.

I second the suggestion of going to a Daily PvP arena, they’ll get you squared away in a few minutes time.

That being said, I just did a scale 9 fractal with pugs. We were three rangers, an engineer, and a mesmer, took 45 minutes and we had no deaths or resets. Not saying there isn’t a problem, but there are a lot of like-minded people forming pugs on LFG if you give it a fair shake (just look for the LFGs that already have necros and/or rangers in them, that’s a pretty good indicator they won’t kick you for being a necro or ranger).

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

It only takes a few minutes (maybe 5?) to do ‘Master of Ruins’, and I very rarely run into any players from an opposing team. It’s about as PvE in WvW as you can get, barring ‘Big Spender’.

Good luck.

I often go into WvW when it’s fractals on the daily. On my ranger, more often than not. Sometimes I’ll even go for camps, particularly if I see someone else hanging around for the same, but Master of Ruins is nice and quick if you’ve not much time.

anduriell.6280:

I don’t do Fractals, i hate the toxicity in the community that plays that content, simply because i roll a ranger and those are speed runs mostly that kick out any player that don’t fit the meta.

My ranger is my fractals speed run meta character. I think most people have come around to accepting rangers these days too. It was always a high damage melee class, but it took a longbow buff for people to realize that xD.

That said, I agree there shouldn’t be double fractal dailies.

I will agree with OP, I don’t like fractals, they belong in their own set of dailies like wvw or pvp. I personally skip fractal days.

I don’t mind double fractal dailies. It usually means I can kill two birds with one stone. But I say that as a regular fractal runner.

Usually if there’s a day I don’t feel like doing a fractal and there is a double daily fractal, I just go into another game mode and do dailies there quick. PvP is the easiest. 90% of the time, I can end up getting 3 PvP dailies in a single practice match that takes a few minutes at most.

1) Even if you don’t do PvP:

If there is Daily PvP Capturer;
enter a hot join and run to an uncapped cap point and just cap it. Ding!

Heck, if your hot join team happens to be winning, stay the match and get your Daily <class> Winner if it happens to be on the daily category. It’s hot join, there’s no stress.

2) Even if you don’t do WvW:

If there’s WvW Master of Ruins;
enter a BL and run to cap a neutral ruin point

3) Even if you dislike Fractals

If there’s Daily Fractal;
go for a lvl 1 Fractal with a group… it’s no different from a dungeon, just as short

Speaking as someone who hates, loathes, and abhors PvP…

PvP daily rooms are great!

I do them every day now to dodge some of the crappier PvE dailies. No more waiting for bosses or bringing Guardian loot-sticks to events. I can zip in, get 2 or 3 dailies in about 5 minutes, and I’m on my way. I get PvP progress and rewards without the usual kittens.

I’m actually sad I didn’t have time last night for daily double fractal. :\ It’s some of the best times with the guildies. Of course, our guildmaster will flog guild chat until she gets a 5-man, so maybe that makes it easier. :P

I didn’t get the daily done because it was a fractal. Oh well, there’s always tomorrow.

Nythrilyn.2146:

If you know your class well and have the ability to melee

What exactly does this mean???? " “Have the ability to Melee”? Is that code for “play your class the way I think you should play it or you’re a noob”?

It sounds like the exact type of elitist attitude the OP said was the reason why he doesn’t like running fractals.

lol it take like 10 minutes to do a couple of WvW dailies and you dont even have to fight players for it (ruins, camp, sentry are easy). sPvP dailies is often one round to get them all.

If you cant do the daily, tbh you dont deserve the daily. Try again tomorrow.

I used LFG to go from 1-50, I only met one person that was a kitten. The OP and I must be playing two different games.

Muusic.2967:

Nythrilyn.2146:

If you know your class well and have the ability to melee

What exactly does this mean???? " “Have the ability to Melee”? Is that code for “play your class the way I think you should play it or you’re a noob”?

It sounds like the exact type of elitist attitude the OP said was the reason why he doesn’t like running fractals.

It sounds like you are just putting words in their mouth to me.

Funny fact. I’ve done Dailies almost every day, and I’ve yet to do a Fractal one. So, I guess it’s really..yes or no?, rather than yes or yes.

the dailies before this recent version were much better. the progression of daily system has gotten worse in the name of simplification.

1. a short list, but you can complete it almost anywhere in game
2. heres a huge list of options, 1 set for pve, 1 set pvp, 1 set wvw. complete 5 in a set and get daily achevement
3. do any 3 from this limited set of 4 items across 3 game modes.

granted there were minor changes amongst all that, but thats the 3 big changes i remember.

i liked ver 2 the best. you could just play the game how u wanted and prob were able to complete the daily.

the current ver, i say to myself, ‘so i need to do this, this and this to get the daily’ rather than ’i’m going to do X today’ and in the process i prob got 80-100% of the daily

This would be a classic case of “I don’t want to do any work but I also want my rewards”. ANET has provided enough options at this point to get the daily rewards that complaining about “lack of options” at this point is childish. The sense of entitlement in people these days baffles me…

It’s about the options, and not bottle necking by tying achievements into one game type in PVE. Makes me feel like Anet is play fractals or GTFO. I played them hours on end when they first came out. I want a open world experience, that my lower level characters can also do all of the achievements. I say they bring back the old system. This new systems has devolved from the original.

Sigh… I hate it too. When that happens I don’t even play for the day.

Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought dailies had like 9 suggestions and you could do something not on the list to finish it. I’ve had it tell me to do fractals and I just pick something else and finish every day without doing a single one. o.o’’

Well, if people can’t undergo 1 minute in empty pvp lobby to cap one point (which would be, by the way, faster than any fractal) for sake of getting 3rd daily then they clearly don’t need the reward. It’s just stubborn or I don’t know.

As a life siphon Necro in Knight gear, everyone would hate me in their party, that’s why I start my own lvl 1 fractal parties for dailies, I just want the Tome. XD I don’t mind newbies either, I’m happy to help. Seriously, just start your own party, problem solved.

anduriell.6280:

So there are two dailies that are Fractals. So if you want to get the daily reward you have to do Fractals YES or YES, or go to WvW or PvP..

I don’t do Fractals, i hate the toxicity in the community that plays that content, simply because i roll a ranger and those are speed runs mostly that kick out any player that don’t fit the meta.
I’m not in a guild that do fractals often neither. Anyway somehow after doing some of them because of mawdrey i learn to dislike that content because of the poor experience the random LFG there.

I’d like them to fix that, i should have the choice to be able to do dailies without have to suffer some content i actually don’t find fun.

Looks you have a limited view of fun.
Anet has put plenty of daily choices in EACH game mode.
Its not their fault that you basically hate everything except mining a node or completing some snoozefest events in a random map or spamming 1 and 2 on your longbow to kill a world boss….

There is nothing to fix at all. Dailies are fine. You are the one that needs to adapt.
It literally takes less than 5 minutes to finish dailies in PvP if you just go to a dailies room thats made specifically for dailies…

Also, rangers are perfectly fine in fractals, they bring enough utility and support and decent dps with sword+axe/LB… you are just using excuses to say “i don’t like fractals because its too hard and ppl were mean to me”

I can sympathize. I feel the same annoyance when there’s other double daily achievements, like say Daily Maguuma Jungle Miner and Daily Great Jungle Wurm. Two out of four PvE dailies try to force me into a jungle biome, a place with giant bugs that want to suck my character’s blood out and that’s so hot and sweaty it gets uncomfortable. As a Canadian, I much prefer to be able to spend my time in areas I can relate to, like the Shiverpeaks, so it’s worrisome when I wind up unable to complete two out of the four PvE dailies because of the location they’re set in.

looks innocent

Xiahou Mao.9701:

I can sympathize. I feel the same annoyance when there’s other double daily fractals, like say Daily Maguuma Jungle Miner and Daily Great Jungle Wurm. Two out of four PvE dailies try to force me into a jungle biome, a place with giant bugs that want to suck my character’s blood out and that’s so hot and sweaty it gets uncomfortable. As a Canadian, I much prefer to be able to spend my time in areas I can relate to, like the Shiverpeaks, so it’s worrisome when I wind up unable to complete two out of the four PvE dailies because of the location they’re set in.

looks innocent

I chuckled at this. Pretty much sums up how OP feels.

anduriell.6280:

I don’t do Fractals, i hate the toxicity in the community that plays that content

Really? Maybe the US servers are the bad ones, haven’t experienced this in the EU.

Tarasicodissa.7084:

If you put up an LFG saying you only want to do lvl 1 swamp

Yeah… I guess you haven’t done lvl 1 swamp recently? In the 1-10 range you’re more likely to get inexperienced players (who are more often than not mute regarding the subject of their inexperienced leading to situation where only after said experienced has wiped the group they decide to inform the rest of us… but that’s a different topic, but how hard is it to say ‘I haven’t done this fractal’, I seriously don’t mind explaining… but yes different topic).

TexZero.7910:

The only suffering i have happen in fractals is when people don’t read the LFG advertisement.

And anything other than a lvl XX description I avoid, so it works out well for all parties.

DarkWasp.7291:

My ranger is my fractals speed run meta character. I think most people have come around to accepting rangers these days too.

Was only ever kicked once in a fractal on my ranger, and that was in the reactor fractal… although I’m pretty sure my pet was on passive I think they just scapegoated me XD

RustyMech.9876:

I used LFG to go from 1-50, I only met one person that was a kitten. The OP and I must be playing two different games.

Perhaps a fellow EUer?

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Funny fact. I’ve done Dailies almost every day, and I’ve yet to do a Fractal one. So, I guess it’s really..yes or no?, rather than yes or yes.

It’s really a matter of varying levels of ease. Apparently OP has a very low cut off point for when inconvenience is too much.

anduriell.6280:

I don’t do Fractals, i hate the toxicity in the community that plays that content, simply because i roll a ranger and those are speed runs mostly that kick out any player that don’t fit the meta.
I’m not in a guild that do fractals often neither. Anyway somehow after doing some of them because of mawdrey i learn to dislike that content because of the poor experience the random LFG there.

As someone who mains a ranger, and has PUGed their way to scale 32 as that ranger, I would have to say that I have never seen a ranger get kicked or been kicked myself. As long as you run Spotter and bring frost spirit, you are golden. Even then, fractal groups are pretty chill. As long as you are 80 with the appropriate AR, nobody cares. I have even run a few groups as the second ranger without a complaint, although I usually give the other ranger the option to drop spotter and run a different spirit

If anything, fractals are built for rangers because there are so many opportunities for our range to shine (final bosses on dredge, reactor, underwater fractals; most of uncategorized fractal with the harpies and cleaning out the gates in urban fractal; the many times I soloed the molten duo) and with skills like GS block and SOS we can totally cheese deathtraps like the trap in uncategorized or the light platforms in aetherblade. Just our elite shout’s swiftness+stability is enough to cheese the gusty platforms on cliffside as a hammer carrying hero, or run an orb straight through traps on swamp.

Then again, I do tend to make my own groups (unless I already see a group for my particular scale) so people know what they are getting into. Don’t forget to roll swamp. People love swamp for some reason.

Edit: I’m on a US server, so it isn’t just Europeans who are friendly and such.

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

anduriell.6280:

I don’t do Fractals, i hate the toxicity in the community that plays that content, simply because i roll a ranger and those are speed runs mostly that kick out any player that don’t fit the meta.
I’m not in a guild that do fractals often neither. Anyway somehow after doing some of them because of mawdrey i learn to dislike that content because of the poor experience the random LFG there.

As someone who mains a ranger, and has PUGed their way to scale 32 as that ranger, I would have to say that I have never seen a ranger get kicked or been kicked myself. As long as you run Spotter and bring frost spirit, you are golden. Even then, fractal groups are pretty chill. As long as you are 80 with the appropriate AR, nobody cares. I have even run a few groups as the second ranger without a complaint, although I usually give the other ranger the option to drop spotter and run a different spirit

If anything, fractals are built for rangers because there are so many opportunities for our range to shine (final bosses on dredge, reactor, underwater fractals; most of uncategorized fractal with the harpies and cleaning out the gates in urban fractal; the many times I soloed the molten duo) and with skills like GS block and SOS we can totally cheese deathtraps like the trap in uncategorized or the light platforms in aetherblade. Just our elite shout’s swiftness+stability is enough to cheese the gusty platforms on cliffside as a hammer carrying hero, or run an orb straight through traps on swamp.

Then again, I do tend to make my own groups (unless I already see a group for my particular scale) so people know what they are getting into. Don’t forget to roll swamp. People love swamp for some reason.

See what your doing is too hardcore for the OP to handle…you understand your skills and strengths of your class and know what your party needs and you provide it…OP doesn’t like that kind of stuff. Thats asking for too much. He just wants to mine nodes.

Mea.5491:

As a life siphon Necro in Knight gear, everyone would hate me in their party, that’s why I start my own lvl 1 fractal parties for dailies, I just want the Tome. XD I don’t mind newbies either, I’m happy to help. Seriously, just start your own party, problem solved.

I’ll play necro and use transfusion to kill as many people as I can… yet I still find people to play with

Honestly I find the fractal community very open and fun. The majority of people I run into don’t run the 2X ele, war, guard, thief meta. They run whatever the hell they want for fun.

There are certainly the negative elements of every part of the game. The guys in open world berating people for this that and the other thing (“waypoint you kittens”, “omg you all suck for failing XYZ”) or the PVP people who feel the need to trash talk or claim hacking. The people in WvW sending hate mail. And Dungeons where there are groups that will kick you for playing D/F Ele instead of staff because ohh noes you finished the dungeon 10s slower!

But, I find those things pretty over-exaggerated on the forums. Of course they leave more of an impact than people just being normal and courteous to each other.

I never run with toxic players and I run FoTM regularly. How, you ask? Because I create the LFG and I clearly post “meta not required”. This specifically weeds out any of the speedclearers who wouldn’t be caught dead in a group that isn’t max DPS.

If your only gripe is with the toxicity, then do something about it. I run a Celestial LB/GS ranger in FoTM1-30, and PVT Guard with cleric trinkets for 30-50. Never have a problem completing any of them nor a problem with toxicity, because I always post the LFG and am clear what the run is about. It also helps that I’m not an incompetent player.

Who the heck speedruns fotm1 anyway. What a waste of time.

anduriell.6280:

I don’t do Fractals, i hate the toxicity in the community that plays that content, simply because i roll a ranger and those are speed runs mostly that kick out any player that don’t fit the meta.
I’m not in a guild that do fractals often neither. Anyway somehow after doing some of them because of mawdrey i learn to dislike that content because of the poor experience the random LFG there.

I’d like them to fix that, i should have the choice to be able to do dailies without have to suffer some content i actually don’t find fun.

“I dislike ~80% of the content”. And you wonder why you can’t do dailies?

I didn’t start getting mean players till around scale 30+, and rightfully so because if everyone has done fractals at least 20 times, it gets frustrating if someone doesn’t understand how to do something.

Otherwise keep your pet on passive and most people won’t say anything. Sometimes I get the feeling that the people who make these threads don’t get kicked for playing non-meta, but get kicked for not knowing how to dodge….

I totally empathise and agree.

I happen to do WvW, so I’m OK in this respect, but I don’t think the daily choices should force people into any category of the game they don’t enjoy.

Muusic.2967:

Nythrilyn.2146:

If you know your class well and have the ability to melee

What exactly does this mean???? " “Have the ability to Melee”? Is that code for “play your class the way I think you should play it or you’re a noob”?

It sounds like the exact type of elitist attitude the OP said was the reason why he doesn’t like running fractals.

Yep.

We’re supposed to have free choice, but that really doesn’t seem like free choice, does it?

Basically, the “choice” is toe the melee line, or be treated like a noob, kicked and/or insulted.

Or, somehow, manage to avoid anyone who seems even vaguely like they may be critical.

That isn’t really free choice.

True free choice is when everything is equally valid, so you are truly free to choose.

Tigaseye.2047:

I totally empathise and agree.

I happen to do WvW, so I’m OK in this respect, but I don’t think the daily choices should force people into any category of the game they don’t enjoy.

So we should get enough fractal dailies to get my Spirit shards? Because I dislike PVP, not huge on WvW most of the time, and despise Open World vista viewing and node farming.

Jerus.4350:

Tigaseye.2047:

I totally empathise and agree.

I happen to do WvW, so I’m OK in this respect, but I don’t think the daily choices should force people into any category of the game they don’t enjoy.

So we should get enough fractal dailies to get my Spirit shards? Because I dislike PVP, not huge on WvW most of the time, and despise Open World vista viewing and node farming.

Yes, ideally.

Most of the time I can do all of my dailies in WvW, so why shouldn’t you be able to do all yours in fractals, if you want?

Tigaseye.2047:

Basically, the “choice” is toe the melee line, or be treated like a noob, kicked and/or insulted.

Or form your own party… Stop pretending only people asking for zerk runs can do that. There is a very clear and obvious choice, stop pretending to be a victim when you’re just being lazy.

You know, there are always other daily catagories than fractals you can do. No need to hate on fractals, just do other dailies.

Coulter.2315:

Tigaseye.2047:

Basically, the “choice” is toe the melee line, or be treated like a noob, kicked and/or insulted.

Or form your own party… Stop pretending only people asking for zerk runs can do that. There is a very clear and obvious choice, stop pretending to be a victim when you’re just being lazy.

Don’t think you read my post properly.

Making your own groups is both something you shouldn’t have to do, to avoid these kind of issues and also something that won’t even, fully, solve the issues, even if you do.

It’s just papering over the cracks…

Tigaseye.2047:

Coulter.2315:

Tigaseye.2047:

Basically, the “choice” is toe the melee line, or be treated like a noob, kicked and/or insulted.

Or form your own party… Stop pretending only people asking for zerk runs can do that. There is a very clear and obvious choice, stop pretending to be a victim when you’re just being lazy.

Don’t think you read my post properly.

Making your own groups is both something you shouldn’t have to do, to avoid these kind of issues and also something that won’t even, fully, solve the issue, even if you do.

It’s just papering over the cracks…

So players who want to go as quick and as efficient as you can get a PUG group to go should take a player that will not meet those requirements just because some players can’t read LFG’s or choose to join LFG’s they know they don’t fit into?

Onto the topic at hand, they should add in a fourth category of Dailies: Dungeons & Fractals.

Morfedel.4165:

You know, there are always other daily catagories than fractals you can do. No need to hate on fractals, just do other dailies.

Of course!

But I think the point OP is making is that in order to complete the daily, OP would HAVE to do a Fractal because Fractals take up two spots in the daily completion list.

Tigaseye.2047:

Coulter.2315:

Tigaseye.2047:

Basically, the “choice” is toe the melee line, or be treated like a noob, kicked and/or insulted.

Or form your own party… Stop pretending only people asking for zerk runs can do that. There is a very clear and obvious choice, stop pretending to be a victim when you’re just being lazy.

Don’t think you read my post properly.

Making your own groups is both something you shouldn’t have to do, to avoid these kind of issues and also something that won’t even, fully, solve the issues, even if you do.

It’s just papering over the cracks…

You think making a group so you can play with likeminded people isn’t a good solution? No one can help you..

CureForLiving.5360:

RustyMech.9876:

I used LFG to go from 1-50, I only met one person that was a kitten. The OP and I must be playing two different games.

Perhaps a fellow EUer?

US.

Endless Soul.5178:

Morfedel.4165:

You know, there are always other daily catagories than fractals you can do. No need to hate on fractals, just do other dailies.

Of course!

But I think the point OP is making is that in order to complete the daily, OP would HAVE to do a Fractal because Fractals take up two spots in the daily completion list.

OP does not have to do a Fractal to do the Daily.

They can pop into PvP or WvW to complete the Daily today. They are choosing not to and claiming that they can’t complete the Daily today.

They are confusing the ability to do something with the desire to do something.

However, I do sympathize as not everyone likes WvW or PvP or dungeons/fractals and if you happen to not like any of those three, when double fractal days come up it means one would have to do something they don’t like to do the Daily. And I’m not sure that’s something that ANet intended for the Daily.

Tigaseye.2047:

Coulter.2315:

Tigaseye.2047:

Basically, the “choice” is toe the melee line, or be treated like a noob, kicked and/or insulted.

Or form your own party… Stop pretending only people asking for zerk runs can do that. There is a very clear and obvious choice, stop pretending to be a victim when you’re just being lazy.

Don’t think you read my post properly.

Making your own groups is both something you shouldn’t have to do, to avoid these kind of issues and also something that won’t even, fully, solve the issues, even if you do.

It’s just papering over the cracks…

Shouldn’t have to do? Really?

You nor Anet can control people. It is literally impossible to somehow gauge who will or won’t be toxic, so you need to take some kitten initiative and use the tools available to create the atmosphere you want. Plenty of people have already given you the information you need to avoid toxicity in fractals (to the best of anyone’s ability—toxic players typically are a specific type of player) and your only response is that you shouldn’t have to do that? Why not? You think Anet will go around policing every group to make sure no one’s feelings get hurt?

Kids these days, don’t want to do anything for themselves, it’s always someone else’s job to do it for them, sheesh….

/rant

Tigaseye.2047:

Coulter.2315:

Tigaseye.2047:

Basically, the “choice” is toe the melee line, or be treated like a noob, kicked and/or insulted.

Or form your own party… Stop pretending only people asking for zerk runs can do that. There is a very clear and obvious choice, stop pretending to be a victim when you’re just being lazy.

Don’t think you read my post properly.

Making your own groups is both something you shouldn’t have to do, to avoid these kind of issues and also something that won’t even, fully, solve the issues, even if you do.

It’s just papering over the cracks…

It is if you don’t want to work with that group of players. Teamwork is an absolute mandatory element of fractals. If you cannot or will not listen to people who are asking you to do something to improve the overall experience for everyone, then yes form your own group. It does solve the problem, because then you can do whatever you want.

I’m saying this as a frequent fractal runner who does 50/40/30/20 daily. Far more often people dont read, or care and that takes away from others time and gameplay. Don’t be that guy. No one likes that guy.

When it comes to people not liking rangers, its because they have a very real stigma attached and nothing more. It’s a class with a very very very low skill floor and a moderate skill ceiling leading to a lot of mediocrity. That said i’ve been in fractals with rangers of all skill levels so i’ll give them a shot so long as when i ask them to not shoot themselves in the face they don’t shoot themselves in the face (happens far too often)