Guild Wars 2

Draknar.5748:

Tigaseye.2047:

OP, just try to ignore all this negativity and the trollish assumptions and manufactured allegations against you.

Hopefully, someone from Anet will have read this thread and will have taken on board what you have said and what you meant by it.

Hopefully, they will realise (as some of us have) that you are being perfectly reasonable in your request and will just, at some point, add a couple more options to the daily list, to ensure people have a little more choice, without having to do parts of the game they find particularly unpleasant, or stressful, for whatever reason.

After all, this is supposed to be a fairly casual, online game; not an unpleasant, inflexible job.

Maybe they should just put in a “Dispense Daily Reward” button.

No dailies required. Gives the same reward, but puts a 24hr symbol of a crying baby over your head until the daily reset…

No one is asking for that.

Might be a good thing for you though, since people asking for changes to dailies bothers you so much.

Pockets.3201:

Draknar.5748:

Tigaseye.2047:

OP, just try to ignore all this negativity and the trollish assumptions and manufactured allegations against you.

Hopefully, someone from Anet will have read this thread and will have taken on board what you have said and what you meant by it.

Hopefully, they will realise (as some of us have) that you are being perfectly reasonable in your request and will just, at some point, add a couple more options to the daily list, to ensure people have a little more choice, without having to do parts of the game they find particularly unpleasant, or stressful, for whatever reason.

After all, this is supposed to be a fairly casual, online game; not an unpleasant, inflexible job.

Maybe they should just put in a “Dispense Daily Reward” button.

No dailies required. Gives the same reward, but puts a 24hr symbol of a crying baby over your head until the daily reset…

No one is asking for that.

Might be a good thing for you though, since people asking for changes to dailies bothers you so much.

The changes these few players are asking for essentially a dispense daily reward button.

OP himself literally said he just wants to do open world event / click on mining node and get his daily reward. No WvW. No PvP. NO frac/dung.

Might as well add a dispense daily reward button for that kid since everything else makes him cry…

Draknar.5748:

Tigaseye.2047:

OP, just try to ignore all this negativity and the trollish assumptions and manufactured allegations against you.

Hopefully, someone from Anet will have read this thread and will have taken on board what you have said and what you meant by it.

Hopefully, they will realise (as some of us have) that you are being perfectly reasonable in your request and will just, at some point, add a couple more options to the daily list, to ensure people have a little more choice, without having to do parts of the game they find particularly unpleasant, or stressful, for whatever reason.

After all, this is supposed to be a fairly casual, online game; not an unpleasant, inflexible job.

Maybe they should just put in a “Dispense Daily Reward” button.

No dailies required. Gives the same reward, but puts a 24hr symbol of a crying baby over your head until the daily reset…

You know very well, as do I, that that is not what the OP is asking for.

He’s just asking to not find himself having to do either PVP, WvW, or fractals, that’s all.

He’s not asking for the available, openworld PVE dailies to be made any easier than they currently are (let alone non-existent).

Why does it bother you so much, anyway?

It’s just dailies.

Pockets.3201:

Draknar.5748:

Tigaseye.2047:

OP, just try to ignore all this negativity and the trollish assumptions and manufactured allegations against you.

Hopefully, someone from Anet will have read this thread and will have taken on board what you have said and what you meant by it.

Hopefully, they will realise (as some of us have) that you are being perfectly reasonable in your request and will just, at some point, add a couple more options to the daily list, to ensure people have a little more choice, without having to do parts of the game they find particularly unpleasant, or stressful, for whatever reason.

After all, this is supposed to be a fairly casual, online game; not an unpleasant, inflexible job.

Maybe they should just put in a “Dispense Daily Reward” button.

No dailies required. Gives the same reward, but puts a 24hr symbol of a crying baby over your head until the daily reset…

No one is asking for that.

Might be a good thing for you though, since people asking for changes to dailies bothers you so much.

Clearly my comment was in jest, but seriously, it might as well be.

The arguments are basically this, “I want to get the daily reward, but I don’t want to have to do anything I don’t want to in order to get it.” And somehow you (and I guess others), find this reasonable…

I just took it to an extreme for teh humor.

What if someone only likes doing RP. Do we somehow need to accommodate that, too? Like have 3 dailies that revolve around walking through capital cities emote-speaking?

Or what if I really don’t like to do anything but Silverwastes chest farm. Like I don’t want to do anything else but that. Now I can get up in arms about how I can’t get my daily done while only doing SW farming? “Why do I have to do events in Queensdale!! Why do I need to go see a Shiverpeaks vista!! Anet whyyyyyy!! I don’t like doing those things, I thought this was play how you like!! More like play how Anet likes huehuehue”

Draknar, I know you’re trying to have a laugh (at the OP’s expense), but what you are trying to say is fairly irrelevant because, most of the time, the OP can do all his dailies in an exclusively openworld PVE environment, anyway.

So, most of the time, nothing would really change if this issue was fixed.

It’s just occasionally that he can’t do them all in openworld PVE, as double fractals come up.

It would be very easy to rectify that situation, by just throwing in an extra openworld daily choice into the mix.

Whereas, adding your example of RP dailies would, obviously, mean quite a lot of extra work.

In an ideal world, I think there would be more choice.

Perhaps even including some RP choices (why not?) and certainly allowing people to do all their dailies in, say, fractals and/or dungeons, if that is what they enjoy most.

But, for the meantime, chucking an extra openworld PVE option into the mix would solve the problem at hand very simply and cheaply.

Another point is that, while some people may dislike openworld PVE, it is rare that they find it stressful in the same way people who dislike PVP do; or even in the same way some people find random group PVE, in this game.

At worst, they find it slightly boring and yet, as we know, WvWers can, generally, do all their dailies in WvW.

Not really fair, is it?

If the OP has to be made stressed, by having to do at least one PVP/WvW/fractals daily occasionally, surely it would only be fair for the rest of us to have to do boring, openworld dailies occasionally?

…and yet, we don’t have to, for some unknown reason and he does.

Tigaseye.2047:

Morfedel.4165:

Tigaseye.2047:

Coulter.2315:

Tigaseye.2047:

Basically, the “choice” is toe the melee line, or be treated like a noob, kicked and/or insulted.

Or form your own party… Stop pretending only people asking for zerk runs can do that. There is a very clear and obvious choice, stop pretending to be a victim when you’re just being lazy.

Don’t think you read my post properly.

Making your own groups is both something you shouldn’t have to do, to avoid these kind of issues and also something that won’t even, fully, solve the issues, even if you do.

It’s just papering over the cracks…

You shouldnt have to form your own party? Wow, how lazy.

Listen, the problem is people. People will never change. And its highly unlikely anyone will ever come up with a perfect solution. I don’t know of one any mmo has really found to fix issues like this.

So really, you don’t have a lot of choice. Find a way to work within the system, or wring your hands and cry woe is me. Frankly forming your own group and advertising for the specific kinds of people you want will help tremendously.

WoW has, for one.

All the choices offered are far more equal now, than they are in this game.

Yes, you still have the trinity there and you don’t have as many weapons choices, but each equivalent class and role is far more equal, as are their talents and so on.

This game, pretty as it is and well meaning as its devs no doubt initially were, seems to have all the issues WoW had 4 years ago, plus some extra ones thrown in for good measure.

Also, it’s obviously not about laziness, it’s about the fact that forming your own parties doesn’t really solve anything and is, also, potentially, off-putting to people.

Especially newer, or more shy, people.

But, I’ve discussed all this several times before, on this forum and it’s really not the main point of this thread, just a side issue.

So, apologies, OP.

What are you talking about? I was talking about people being jerks, not about things like class balance and the Holy trinity etc etc. I have no idea how your response has anything to do with that.

Draknar.5748:

Pockets.3201:

Draknar.5748:

Tigaseye.2047:

OP, just try to ignore all this negativity and the trollish assumptions and manufactured allegations against you.

Hopefully, someone from Anet will have read this thread and will have taken on board what you have said and what you meant by it.

Hopefully, they will realise (as some of us have) that you are being perfectly reasonable in your request and will just, at some point, add a couple more options to the daily list, to ensure people have a little more choice, without having to do parts of the game they find particularly unpleasant, or stressful, for whatever reason.

After all, this is supposed to be a fairly casual, online game; not an unpleasant, inflexible job.

Maybe they should just put in a “Dispense Daily Reward” button.

No dailies required. Gives the same reward, but puts a 24hr symbol of a crying baby over your head until the daily reset…

No one is asking for that.

Might be a good thing for you though, since people asking for changes to dailies bothers you so much.

Clearly my comment was in jest, but seriously, it might as well be.

The arguments are basically this, “I want to get the daily reward, but I don’t want to have to do anything I don’t want to in order to get it.” And somehow you (and I guess others), find this reasonable…

I just took it to an extreme for teh humor.

What if someone only likes doing RP. Do we somehow need to accommodate that, too? Like have 3 dailies that revolve around walking through capital cities emote-speaking?

Or what if I really don’t like to do anything but Silverwastes chest farm. Like I don’t want to do anything else but that. Now I can get up in arms about how I can’t get my daily done while only doing SW farming? “Why do I have to do events in Queensdale!! Why do I need to go see a Shiverpeaks vista!! Anet whyyyyyy!! I don’t like doing those things, I thought this was play how you like!! More like play how Anet likes huehuehue”

Well, part of the issue is that in the past you could get your dailies done while doing your map completion or whatever else you liked, within reason of course. And then Anet decided the metrics on certain parts of the game were too poor and tried to encourage people to do them by reworking the dailies.

Apparently fractals really needed the help as they are the only thing that gets doubled up on.

Don’t get me wrong, the changes that added PvP and WvW dailies are great. Its nice that those two game modes can get them done pretty easily, and to my understanding get them be largely doing what they’d be doing anyway. I could be wrong on that, I don’t PVP, but I think that is what most PVE players want.

No waiting on long timer world bosses. No wrangling a group together for an unrewarding fractal you won’t enjoy. No competing with other players for kill credit because we need to cram into one single zone for the day for event credit.

If the best suggested solution for the issues people have with PVE dailies is to go do PVP because it is so much easier and faster, there is a problem with PVE dailies.

Tigaseye.2047:

Perhaps even including some RP choices (why not?)

Why not? Ummm maybe because OP will start complaining about why he’s being “forced” to RP…

Pockets.3201:

Apparently fractals really needed the help as they are the only thing that gets doubled up on.

But if no one is doing fractals, then who exactly is kicking the OP out of his party…?

Morfedel.4165:

Tigaseye.2047:

Morfedel.4165:

Tigaseye.2047:

Coulter.2315:

Tigaseye.2047:

Basically, the “choice” is toe the melee line, or be treated like a noob, kicked and/or insulted.

Or form your own party… Stop pretending only people asking for zerk runs can do that. There is a very clear and obvious choice, stop pretending to be a victim when you’re just being lazy.

Don’t think you read my post properly.

Making your own groups is both something you shouldn’t have to do, to avoid these kind of issues and also something that won’t even, fully, solve the issues, even if you do.

It’s just papering over the cracks…

You shouldnt have to form your own party? Wow, how lazy.

Listen, the problem is people. People will never change. And its highly unlikely anyone will ever come up with a perfect solution. I don’t know of one any mmo has really found to fix issues like this.

So really, you don’t have a lot of choice. Find a way to work within the system, or wring your hands and cry woe is me. Frankly forming your own group and advertising for the specific kinds of people you want will help tremendously.

WoW has, for one.

All the choices offered are far more equal now, than they are in this game.

Yes, you still have the trinity there and you don’t have as many weapons choices, but each equivalent class and role is far more equal, as are their talents and so on.

This game, pretty as it is and well meaning as its devs no doubt initially were, seems to have all the issues WoW had 4 years ago, plus some extra ones thrown in for good measure.

Also, it’s obviously not about laziness, it’s about the fact that forming your own parties doesn’t really solve anything and is, also, potentially, off-putting to people.

Especially newer, or more shy, people.

But, I’ve discussed all this several times before, on this forum and it’s really not the main point of this thread, just a side issue.

So, apologies, OP.

What are you talking about? I was talking about people being jerks, not about things like class balance and the Holy trinity etc etc. I have no idea how your response has anything to do with that.

It’s all part of the same issue.

I was responding to what had been said.

If you, genuinely, want to be reminded of the course of the conversation, I suggest you reread it.

Vesuvius.9874:

Tigaseye.2047:

Perhaps even including some RP choices (why not?)

Why not? Ummm maybe because OP will start complaining about why he’s being “forced” to RP…

Firstly, you don’t know that, you’re just making stuff up as you go along, to suit your opinion of people like the OP.

Secondly, if RP dailies were ever introduced, it’s pretty obvious that they would have to be totally optional.

BTW, if you don’t like the suggestion of RP dailies, please take it up with Draknar.

It was his initial suggestion (albeit given as an example), not mine.

I’ve never RPed in my life.

Pockets.3201:

Draknar.5748:

Pockets.3201:

Draknar.5748:

Tigaseye.2047:

OP, just try to ignore all this negativity and the trollish assumptions and manufactured allegations against you.

Hopefully, someone from Anet will have read this thread and will have taken on board what you have said and what you meant by it.

Hopefully, they will realise (as some of us have) that you are being perfectly reasonable in your request and will just, at some point, add a couple more options to the daily list, to ensure people have a little more choice, without having to do parts of the game they find particularly unpleasant, or stressful, for whatever reason.

After all, this is supposed to be a fairly casual, online game; not an unpleasant, inflexible job.

Maybe they should just put in a “Dispense Daily Reward” button.

No dailies required. Gives the same reward, but puts a 24hr symbol of a crying baby over your head until the daily reset…

No one is asking for that.

Might be a good thing for you though, since people asking for changes to dailies bothers you so much.

Clearly my comment was in jest, but seriously, it might as well be.

The arguments are basically this, “I want to get the daily reward, but I don’t want to have to do anything I don’t want to in order to get it.” And somehow you (and I guess others), find this reasonable…

I just took it to an extreme for teh humor.

What if someone only likes doing RP. Do we somehow need to accommodate that, too? Like have 3 dailies that revolve around walking through capital cities emote-speaking?

Or what if I really don’t like to do anything but Silverwastes chest farm. Like I don’t want to do anything else but that. Now I can get up in arms about how I can’t get my daily done while only doing SW farming? “Why do I have to do events in Queensdale!! Why do I need to go see a Shiverpeaks vista!! Anet whyyyyyy!! I don’t like doing those things, I thought this was play how you like!! More like play how Anet likes huehuehue”

Well, part of the issue is that in the past you could get your dailies done while doing your map completion or whatever else you liked, within reason of course. And then Anet decided the metrics on certain parts of the game were too poor and tried to encourage people to do them by reworking the dailies.

Apparently fractals really needed the help as they are the only thing that gets doubled up on.

Don’t get me wrong, the changes that added PvP and WvW dailies are great. Its nice that those two game modes can get them done pretty easily, and to my understanding get them be largely doing what they’d be doing anyway. I could be wrong on that, I don’t PVP, but I think that is what most PVE players want.

No waiting on long timer world bosses. No wrangling a group together for an unrewarding fractal you won’t enjoy. No competing with other players for kill credit because we need to cram into one single zone for the day for event credit.

If the best suggested solution for the issues people have with PVE dailies is to go do PVP because it is so much easier and faster, there is a problem with PVE dailies.

PvP is much faster. You get credit for doing two dirt-simple things you would normally do anyway (capture, defender, …rank points), and score one or two wins with the Class of the Day. Which covers half the classes. I suspect a lot of the “shut up and deal with it” crowd do a lot of PvP and get dailies within ten minutes of logging in.

WvW is a big improvement. You get credit for actually helping your server. It’s mostly in the natural course of gameplay (except maybe veteran killer?).

Both PvP and WvW have relatively immediate, or at least natural, daily acquisition.
PvE dailies are terrible:

• Cramming 50+ level 80s into an underused zone for event completion, instead of sending the zerg out to a region.
• Double Fractals which defy natural gameplay, and yet exclude dungeon groups.
• Region vistas that can be accomplished by facerolling into a capital city.
• Waiting 2-3 hours for a boss timer to finally come around, then have the boss event not even be challenging because the zerg has it on farm.

I mean, aside from daily gather and mystic forge, that about covers everything that is PvE dailies. And they’re all bad from a design perspective. It’s one of the reasons daily PvP rooms are even a thing.

Tigaseye.2047:

Morfedel.4165:

Tigaseye.2047:

Morfedel.4165:

Tigaseye.2047:

Coulter.2315:

Tigaseye.2047:

Basically, the “choice” is toe the melee line, or be treated like a noob, kicked and/or insulted.

Or form your own party… Stop pretending only people asking for zerk runs can do that. There is a very clear and obvious choice, stop pretending to be a victim when you’re just being lazy.

Don’t think you read my post properly.

Making your own groups is both something you shouldn’t have to do, to avoid these kind of issues and also something that won’t even, fully, solve the issues, even if you do.

It’s just papering over the cracks…

You shouldnt have to form your own party? Wow, how lazy.

Listen, the problem is people. People will never change. And its highly unlikely anyone will ever come up with a perfect solution. I don’t know of one any mmo has really found to fix issues like this.

So really, you don’t have a lot of choice. Find a way to work within the system, or wring your hands and cry woe is me. Frankly forming your own group and advertising for the specific kinds of people you want will help tremendously.

WoW has, for one.

All the choices offered are far more equal now, than they are in this game.

Yes, you still have the trinity there and you don’t have as many weapons choices, but each equivalent class and role is far more equal, as are their talents and so on.

This game, pretty as it is and well meaning as its devs no doubt initially were, seems to have all the issues WoW had 4 years ago, plus some extra ones thrown in for good measure.

Also, it’s obviously not about laziness, it’s about the fact that forming your own parties doesn’t really solve anything and is, also, potentially, off-putting to people.

Especially newer, or more shy, people.

But, I’ve discussed all this several times before, on this forum and it’s really not the main point of this thread, just a side issue.

So, apologies, OP.

What are you talking about? I was talking about people being jerks, not about things like class balance and the Holy trinity etc etc. I have no idea how your response has anything to do with that.

It’s all part of the same issue.

I was responding to what had been said.

If you, genuinely, want to be reminded of the course of the conversation, I suggest you reread it.

I did. During that conversation was mentioned that you toe the melee line or get kicked.

Then a response was form your own group to which you responded you shouldn’t have to form your own group.

THAT is what I was responding to, that it seems very lazy to be unwilling to form your own group. Is a simple easy solution. It allows you to form a group much less likely to boot you for not playing a meta. I was talking about human nature and people being jerks and booting people. Your response had nothing to do with my response.

Mine did. I directly replied to the part about people kicking other people and being jerks, which you brought up.

Helps if YOU pay attention. Go back and read it again.

Morfedel.4165:

Tigaseye.2047:

Morfedel.4165:

Tigaseye.2047:

Morfedel.4165:

Tigaseye.2047:

Coulter.2315:

Tigaseye.2047:

Basically, the “choice” is toe the melee line, or be treated like a noob, kicked and/or insulted.

Or form your own party… Stop pretending only people asking for zerk runs can do that. There is a very clear and obvious choice, stop pretending to be a victim when you’re just being lazy.

Don’t think you read my post properly.

Making your own groups is both something you shouldn’t have to do, to avoid these kind of issues and also something that won’t even, fully, solve the issues, even if you do.

It’s just papering over the cracks…

You shouldnt have to form your own party? Wow, how lazy.

Listen, the problem is people. People will never change. And its highly unlikely anyone will ever come up with a perfect solution. I don’t know of one any mmo has really found to fix issues like this.

So really, you don’t have a lot of choice. Find a way to work within the system, or wring your hands and cry woe is me. Frankly forming your own group and advertising for the specific kinds of people you want will help tremendously.

WoW has, for one.

All the choices offered are far more equal now, than they are in this game.

Yes, you still have the trinity there and you don’t have as many weapons choices, but each equivalent class and role is far more equal, as are their talents and so on.

This game, pretty as it is and well meaning as its devs no doubt initially were, seems to have all the issues WoW had 4 years ago, plus some extra ones thrown in for good measure.

Also, it’s obviously not about laziness, it’s about the fact that forming your own parties doesn’t really solve anything and is, also, potentially, off-putting to people.

Especially newer, or more shy, people.

But, I’ve discussed all this several times before, on this forum and it’s really not the main point of this thread, just a side issue.

So, apologies, OP.

What are you talking about? I was talking about people being jerks, not about things like class balance and the Holy trinity etc etc. I have no idea how your response has anything to do with that.

It’s all part of the same issue.

I was responding to what had been said.

If you, genuinely, want to be reminded of the course of the conversation, I suggest you reread it.

I did. During that conversation was mentioned that you toe the melee line or get kicked.

Then a response was form your own group to which you responded you shouldn’t have to form your own group.

THAT is what I was responding to, that it seems very lazy to be unwilling to form your own group. Is a simple easy solution. It allows you to form a group much less likely to boot you for not playing a meta. I was talking about human nature and people being jerks and booting people. Your response had nothing to do with my response.

Mine did. I directly replied to the part about people kicking other people and being jerks, which you brought up.

Helps if YOU pay attention. Go back and read it again.

I’m well aware of what was said.

It’s you who seem a little confused.

Tigaseye.2047:

Morfedel.4165:

Tigaseye.2047:

Morfedel.4165:

Tigaseye.2047:

Morfedel.4165:

Tigaseye.2047:

Coulter.2315:

Tigaseye.2047:

Basically, the “choice” is toe the melee line, or be treated like a noob, kicked and/or insulted.

Or form your own party… Stop pretending only people asking for zerk runs can do that. There is a very clear and obvious choice, stop pretending to be a victim when you’re just being lazy.

Don’t think you read my post properly.

Making your own groups is both something you shouldn’t have to do, to avoid these kind of issues and also something that won’t even, fully, solve the issues, even if you do.

It’s just papering over the cracks…

You shouldnt have to form your own party? Wow, how lazy.

Listen, the problem is people. People will never change. And its highly unlikely anyone will ever come up with a perfect solution. I don’t know of one any mmo has really found to fix issues like this.

So really, you don’t have a lot of choice. Find a way to work within the system, or wring your hands and cry woe is me. Frankly forming your own group and advertising for the specific kinds of people you want will help tremendously.

WoW has, for one.

All the choices offered are far more equal now, than they are in this game.

Yes, you still have the trinity there and you don’t have as many weapons choices, but each equivalent class and role is far more equal, as are their talents and so on.

This game, pretty as it is and well meaning as its devs no doubt initially were, seems to have all the issues WoW had 4 years ago, plus some extra ones thrown in for good measure.

Also, it’s obviously not about laziness, it’s about the fact that forming your own parties doesn’t really solve anything and is, also, potentially, off-putting to people.

Especially newer, or more shy, people.

But, I’ve discussed all this several times before, on this forum and it’s really not the main point of this thread, just a side issue.

So, apologies, OP.

What are you talking about? I was talking about people being jerks, not about things like class balance and the Holy trinity etc etc. I have no idea how your response has anything to do with that.

It’s all part of the same issue.

I was responding to what had been said.

If you, genuinely, want to be reminded of the course of the conversation, I suggest you reread it.

I did. During that conversation was mentioned that you toe the melee line or get kicked.

Then a response was form your own group to which you responded you shouldn’t have to form your own group.

THAT is what I was responding to, that it seems very lazy to be unwilling to form your own group. Is a simple easy solution. It allows you to form a group much less likely to boot you for not playing a meta. I was talking about human nature and people being jerks and booting people. Your response had nothing to do with my response.

Mine did. I directly replied to the part about people kicking other people and being jerks, which you brought up.

Helps if YOU pay attention. Go back and read it again.

I’m well aware of what was said.

It’s you who seem a little confused.

Oh I’m quite clear.

And incidentally I wasn’t the only one kittenponded the way I did to your post, in case you didn’t notice. That being the case, perhaps you didn’t sufficiently make yourself clear.

Coulter.2315:

Tigaseye.2047:

Coulter.2315:

Tigaseye.2047:

Basically, the “choice” is toe the melee line, or be treated like a noob, kicked and/or insulted.

Or form your own party… Stop pretending only people asking for zerk runs can do that. There is a very clear and obvious choice, stop pretending to be a victim when you’re just being lazy.

Don’t think you read my post properly.

Making your own groups is both something you shouldn’t have to do, to avoid these kind of issues and also something that won’t even, fully, solve the issues, even if you do.

It’s just papering over the cracks…

You think making a group so you can play with likeminded people isn’t a good solution? No one can help you..

Here you go tigaseye. As you can see I wasn’t the only one. But go ahead and keep saying that we misunderstood rather than your mispeaking.

Morfedel.4165:

Tigaseye.2047:

Morfedel.4165:

Tigaseye.2047:

Morfedel.4165:

Tigaseye.2047:

Morfedel.4165:

Tigaseye.2047:

Coulter.2315:

Tigaseye.2047:

Basically, the “choice” is toe the melee line, or be treated like a noob, kicked and/or insulted.

Or form your own party… Stop pretending only people asking for zerk runs can do that. There is a very clear and obvious choice, stop pretending to be a victim when you’re just being lazy.

Don’t think you read my post properly.

Making your own groups is both something you shouldn’t have to do, to avoid these kind of issues and also something that won’t even, fully, solve the issues, even if you do.

It’s just papering over the cracks…

You shouldnt have to form your own party? Wow, how lazy.

Listen, the problem is people. People will never change. And its highly unlikely anyone will ever come up with a perfect solution. I don’t know of one any mmo has really found to fix issues like this.

So really, you don’t have a lot of choice. Find a way to work within the system, or wring your hands and cry woe is me. Frankly forming your own group and advertising for the specific kinds of people you want will help tremendously.

WoW has, for one.

All the choices offered are far more equal now, than they are in this game.

Yes, you still have the trinity there and you don’t have as many weapons choices, but each equivalent class and role is far more equal, as are their talents and so on.

This game, pretty as it is and well meaning as its devs no doubt initially were, seems to have all the issues WoW had 4 years ago, plus some extra ones thrown in for good measure.

Also, it’s obviously not about laziness, it’s about the fact that forming your own parties doesn’t really solve anything and is, also, potentially, off-putting to people.

Especially newer, or more shy, people.

But, I’ve discussed all this several times before, on this forum and it’s really not the main point of this thread, just a side issue.

So, apologies, OP.

What are you talking about? I was talking about people being jerks, not about things like class balance and the Holy trinity etc etc. I have no idea how your response has anything to do with that.

It’s all part of the same issue.

I was responding to what had been said.

If you, genuinely, want to be reminded of the course of the conversation, I suggest you reread it.

I did. During that conversation was mentioned that you toe the melee line or get kicked.

Then a response was form your own group to which you responded you shouldn’t have to form your own group.

THAT is what I was responding to, that it seems very lazy to be unwilling to form your own group. Is a simple easy solution. It allows you to form a group much less likely to boot you for not playing a meta. I was talking about human nature and people being jerks and booting people. Your response had nothing to do with my response.

Mine did. I directly replied to the part about people kicking other people and being jerks, which you brought up.

Helps if YOU pay attention. Go back and read it again.

I’m well aware of what was said.

It’s you who seem a little confused.

Oh I’m quite clear.

And incidentally I wasn’t the only one kittenponded the way I did to your post, in case you didn’t notice. That being the case, perhaps you didn’t sufficiently make yourself clear.

I’m pretty sure I did.

There again, people do love their stock answers, on here, don’t they?

So, no real surprise that I got two of them.

Anyway, I can’t sit around here chatting all day.

Enchanting as it is…

Good luck, OP.

Tigaseye.2047:

Morfedel.4165:

Tigaseye.2047:

Morfedel.4165:

Tigaseye.2047:

Morfedel.4165:

Tigaseye.2047:

Morfedel.4165:

Tigaseye.2047:

Coulter.2315:

Tigaseye.2047:

Basically, the “choice” is toe the melee line, or be treated like a noob, kicked and/or insulted.

Or form your own party… Stop pretending only people asking for zerk runs can do that. There is a very clear and obvious choice, stop pretending to be a victim when you’re just being lazy.

Don’t think you read my post properly.

Making your own groups is both something you shouldn’t have to do, to avoid these kind of issues and also something that won’t even, fully, solve the issues, even if you do.

It’s just papering over the cracks…

You shouldnt have to form your own party? Wow, how lazy.

Listen, the problem is people. People will never change. And its highly unlikely anyone will ever come up with a perfect solution. I don’t know of one any mmo has really found to fix issues like this.

So really, you don’t have a lot of choice. Find a way to work within the system, or wring your hands and cry woe is me. Frankly forming your own group and advertising for the specific kinds of people you want will help tremendously.

WoW has, for one.

All the choices offered are far more equal now, than they are in this game.

Yes, you still have the trinity there and you don’t have as many weapons choices, but each equivalent class and role is far more equal, as are their talents and so on.

This game, pretty as it is and well meaning as its devs no doubt initially were, seems to have all the issues WoW had 4 years ago, plus some extra ones thrown in for good measure.

Also, it’s obviously not about laziness, it’s about the fact that forming your own parties doesn’t really solve anything and is, also, potentially, off-putting to people.

Especially newer, or more shy, people.

But, I’ve discussed all this several times before, on this forum and it’s really not the main point of this thread, just a side issue.

So, apologies, OP.

What are you talking about? I was talking about people being jerks, not about things like class balance and the Holy trinity etc etc. I have no idea how your response has anything to do with that.

It’s all part of the same issue.

I was responding to what had been said.

If you, genuinely, want to be reminded of the course of the conversation, I suggest you reread it.

I did. During that conversation was mentioned that you toe the melee line or get kicked.

Then a response was form your own group to which you responded you shouldn’t have to form your own group.

THAT is what I was responding to, that it seems very lazy to be unwilling to form your own group. Is a simple easy solution. It allows you to form a group much less likely to boot you for not playing a meta. I was talking about human nature and people being jerks and booting people. Your response had nothing to do with my response.

Mine did. I directly replied to the part about people kicking other people and being jerks, which you brought up.

Helps if YOU pay attention. Go back and read it again.

I’m well aware of what was said.

It’s you who seem a little confused.

Oh I’m quite clear.

And incidentally I wasn’t the only one kittenponded the way I did to your post, in case you didn’t notice. That being the case, perhaps you didn’t sufficiently make yourself clear.

I’m pretty sure I did.

There again, people do love their stock answers, on here, don’t they?

So, no real surprise that I got two of them.

So you’re telling me you DIDN’T complain that people get kicked for not playing melee ?

Coulter.2315:

Tigaseye.2047:

Basically, the “choice” is toe the melee line, or be treated like a noob, kicked and/or insulted.

Or form your own party… Stop pretending only people asking for zerk runs can do that. There is a very clear and obvious choice, stop pretending to be a victim when you’re just being lazy.

The evidence hurts.

Tigaseye.2047:

It’s just occasionally that he can’t do them all in openworld PVE, as double fractals come up.

Firstly, I appreciate your candor. Secondly, I think this line sums it up the best. Occasionally this person can’t do them all in <insert his preferred playstyle>. Even if they did add more options, at some point there will be someone that can’t get them all done in <insert their preferred playstyle>. They can’t please everyone, but they can please the majority, most of the time. Occasionally they can’t, and in those instances, those people might simply have to either choose not to get their 10AP/3 spirit shards, or venture out of their comfort zone for 15min.

To me it seems a bit unreasonable to have Anet invest time and money to address a scenario that only comes up occasionally and that already has a simple, free, and easy solution: don’t do it / briefly play content you aren’t crazy about.

Tarasicodissa.7084:

I’m pretty sure people won’t mind you bringing a useless class in selfish gear.

takes a drink

Tigaseye.2047:

You know very well, as do I, that that is not what the OP is asking for.

He’s just asking to not find himself having to do either PVP, WvW, or fractals, that’s all.

He’s not asking for the available, openworld PVE dailies to be made any easier than they currently are (let alone non-existent).

Why does it bother you so much, anyway?

It’s just dailies.

It bothers people because the entire point of dailies is for people to go out and play the game.

Not only that, this change would ultimately be yet another unwanted change pandering to a very very vocal minority that would leave the game in a pretty bad state.

There’s casual, then there’s club penguin levels of automation….. Which is exactly what people want to avoid.

Right now there’s plenty of options even when it’s daily double fractal. So why again should anet swap things up ?

After all it’s just dailies ? If they are just dailies what warrants the need to change it ?

Draknar.5748:

Maybe they should just put in a “Dispense Daily Reward” button.

No dailies required. Gives the same reward, but puts a 24hr symbol of a crying baby over your head until the daily reset…

They did this.

What do you think log-in rewards are? That’s why this is all so absurd. People want to play not even 10% of the game to get their few AP, when everything else about the former rewards is already given automatically.

It’s… at what point did, to those thinking this is an unfair combination of dailies, ‘get the reward’ supersede ‘play the game’ in your head, people? At what point did Pavlovian training win out and you started pushing that log-in button just for the 10 AP?

Rauderi.8706:

• Double Fractals which defy natural gameplay, and yet exclude dungeon groups.

Please elaborate on this. How does fractals defy natural gameplay ?

Are people who play them an anomaly now ?
Are that somehow accessing something that shouldn’t be there ?

Lets be real here the ignorance from that statement is beyond belief. Plenty of people run fractals daily alongside doing other dungeons. Perhaps coming out of the world boss train shell wouldn’t hurt the crowd that thinks Fractals defy normal gameplay. Heck they may actually learn something by doing them other than press 1.

Carighan.6758:

Draknar.5748:

Maybe they should just put in a “Dispense Daily Reward” button.

No dailies required. Gives the same reward, but puts a 24hr symbol of a crying baby over your head until the daily reset…

They did this.

What do you think log-in rewards are? That’s why this is all so absurd. People want to play not even 10% of the game to get their few AP, when everything else about the former rewards is already given automatically.

It’s… at what point did, to those thinking this is an unfair combination of dailies, ‘get the reward’ supersede ‘play the game’ in your head, people? At what point did Pavlovian training win out and you started pushing that log-in button just for the 10 AP?

Preaching to the choir, my friend. It just blows my mind how people can still get upset that they gasp have to do something they don’t want to, to get marginal additional rewards. (EDIT: When I said Daily Rewards I meant the new ones ie 10AP/3shards)

I’m just waiting for the day when you can simply type in what level character you want. How much gold you want. What skins you want unlocked. How much AP you want. What legendaries and ascended gear you want. And then load your character up with it from character creation…

But I’m sure somehow people will complain that it isn’t fair they are forced to type in that information manually and Anet should automatically max everything out for them.

Draknar.5748:

Carighan.6758:

Draknar.5748:

Maybe they should just put in a “Dispense Daily Reward” button.

No dailies required. Gives the same reward, but puts a 24hr symbol of a crying baby over your head until the daily reset…

They did this.

What do you think log-in rewards are? That’s why this is all so absurd. People want to play not even 10% of the game to get their few AP, when everything else about the former rewards is already given automatically.

It’s… at what point did, to those thinking this is an unfair combination of dailies, ‘get the reward’ supersede ‘play the game’ in your head, people? At what point did Pavlovian training win out and you started pushing that log-in button just for the 10 AP?

Preaching to the choir, my friend. It just blows my mind how people can still get upset that they gasp have to do something they don’t want to, to get marginal additional rewards. (EDIT: When I said Daily Rewards I meant the new ones ie 10AP/3shards)

I’m just waiting for the day when you can simply type in what level character you want. How much gold you want. What skins you want unlocked. How much AP you want. What legendaries and ascended gear you want. And then load your character up with it from character creation…

But I’m sure somehow people will complain that it isn’t fair they are forced to type in that information manually and Anet should automatically max everything out for them.

Why is it acceptable for PVP players to get their dailies done in fifteen minutes without ever having do to game modes they don’t like, but unacceptable when PvE players want the same thing?

Pockets.3201:

Draknar.5748:

Carighan.6758:

Draknar.5748:

Maybe they should just put in a “Dispense Daily Reward” button.

No dailies required. Gives the same reward, but puts a 24hr symbol of a crying baby over your head until the daily reset…

They did this.

What do you think log-in rewards are? That’s why this is all so absurd. People want to play not even 10% of the game to get their few AP, when everything else about the former rewards is already given automatically.

It’s… at what point did, to those thinking this is an unfair combination of dailies, ‘get the reward’ supersede ‘play the game’ in your head, people? At what point did Pavlovian training win out and you started pushing that log-in button just for the 10 AP?

Preaching to the choir, my friend. It just blows my mind how people can still get upset that they gasp have to do something they don’t want to, to get marginal additional rewards. (EDIT: When I said Daily Rewards I meant the new ones ie 10AP/3shards)

I’m just waiting for the day when you can simply type in what level character you want. How much gold you want. What skins you want unlocked. How much AP you want. What legendaries and ascended gear you want. And then load your character up with it from character creation…

But I’m sure somehow people will complain that it isn’t fair they are forced to type in that information manually and Anet should automatically max everything out for them.

Why is it acceptable for PVP players to get their dailies done in fifteen minutes without ever having do to game modes they don’t like, but unacceptable when PvE players want the same thing?

TIL Fractals and Dungeons aren’t PvE……

Come on man, you didnt really just go there ?

TexZero.7910:

Pockets.3201:

Draknar.5748:

Carighan.6758:

Draknar.5748:

Maybe they should just put in a “Dispense Daily Reward” button.

No dailies required. Gives the same reward, but puts a 24hr symbol of a crying baby over your head until the daily reset…

They did this.

What do you think log-in rewards are? That’s why this is all so absurd. People want to play not even 10% of the game to get their few AP, when everything else about the former rewards is already given automatically.

It’s… at what point did, to those thinking this is an unfair combination of dailies, ‘get the reward’ supersede ‘play the game’ in your head, people? At what point did Pavlovian training win out and you started pushing that log-in button just for the 10 AP?

Preaching to the choir, my friend. It just blows my mind how people can still get upset that they gasp have to do something they don’t want to, to get marginal additional rewards. (EDIT: When I said Daily Rewards I meant the new ones ie 10AP/3shards)

I’m just waiting for the day when you can simply type in what level character you want. How much gold you want. What skins you want unlocked. How much AP you want. What legendaries and ascended gear you want. And then load your character up with it from character creation…

But I’m sure somehow people will complain that it isn’t fair they are forced to type in that information manually and Anet should automatically max everything out for them.

Why is it acceptable for PVP players to get their dailies done in fifteen minutes without ever having do to game modes they don’t like, but unacceptable when PvE players want the same thing?

TIL Fractals and Dungeons aren’t PvE……

Come on man, you didnt really just go there ?

Did I say that? No, I don’t think I said that. Nope, its not up there.

Pockets.3201:

Why is it acceptable for PVP players to get their dailies done in fifteen minutes without ever having do to game modes they don’t like, but unacceptable when PvE players want the same thing?

TexZero.7910:

TIL Fractals and Dungeons aren’t PvE……

Come on man, you didnt really just go there ?

Did I say that? No, I don’t think I said that. Nope, its not up there.[/quote]

Pockets.3201:

Why is it acceptable for PVP players to get their dailies done in fifteen minutes without ever having do to game modes they don’t like, but unacceptable when PvE players want the same thing?

You may want to remove that comment then, because you clearly went there.

TexZero.7910:

Pockets.3201:

Draknar.5748:

Carighan.6758:

Draknar.5748:

Maybe they should just put in a “Dispense Daily Reward” button.

No dailies required. Gives the same reward, but puts a 24hr symbol of a crying baby over your head until the daily reset…

They did this.

What do you think log-in rewards are? That’s why this is all so absurd. People want to play not even 10% of the game to get their few AP, when everything else about the former rewards is already given automatically.

It’s… at what point did, to those thinking this is an unfair combination of dailies, ‘get the reward’ supersede ‘play the game’ in your head, people? At what point did Pavlovian training win out and you started pushing that log-in button just for the 10 AP?

Preaching to the choir, my friend. It just blows my mind how people can still get upset that they gasp have to do something they don’t want to, to get marginal additional rewards. (EDIT: When I said Daily Rewards I meant the new ones ie 10AP/3shards)

I’m just waiting for the day when you can simply type in what level character you want. How much gold you want. What skins you want unlocked. How much AP you want. What legendaries and ascended gear you want. And then load your character up with it from character creation…

But I’m sure somehow people will complain that it isn’t fair they are forced to type in that information manually and Anet should automatically max everything out for them.

Why is it acceptable for PVP players to get their dailies done in fifteen minutes without ever having do to game modes they don’t like, but unacceptable when PvE players want the same thing?

TIL Fractals and Dungeons aren’t PvE……

Come on man, you didnt really just go there ?

Bah, you took my comeback!

PvP is a game mode, WvW is a game mode, and PvE is a game mode. Nobody in PvP or WvW are complaining. The ones complaining are the PvEers that have decided they want to pick and choose what they do and don’t want to do within their own category.

It’s like if someone was complaining that the PvP dailies force him to capture points or kill people because they only want to treb on Khylo and should be able to play the way they want and still complete their dailies.

Or a WvWer who only likes capturing Ruins complains that they are “forced” to capture camps or sentries or engage enemy players.

If you want to only play a segment of your game mode, then you may not be able to get your daily done. That’s pretty much the long and short of it.

Draknar.5748:

TexZero.7910:

Pockets.3201:

Draknar.5748:

Carighan.6758:

Draknar.5748:

Maybe they should just put in a “Dispense Daily Reward” button.

No dailies required. Gives the same reward, but puts a 24hr symbol of a crying baby over your head until the daily reset…

They did this.

What do you think log-in rewards are? That’s why this is all so absurd. People want to play not even 10% of the game to get their few AP, when everything else about the former rewards is already given automatically.

It’s… at what point did, to those thinking this is an unfair combination of dailies, ‘get the reward’ supersede ‘play the game’ in your head, people? At what point did Pavlovian training win out and you started pushing that log-in button just for the 10 AP?

Preaching to the choir, my friend. It just blows my mind how people can still get upset that they gasp have to do something they don’t want to, to get marginal additional rewards. (EDIT: When I said Daily Rewards I meant the new ones ie 10AP/3shards)

I’m just waiting for the day when you can simply type in what level character you want. How much gold you want. What skins you want unlocked. How much AP you want. What legendaries and ascended gear you want. And then load your character up with it from character creation…

But I’m sure somehow people will complain that it isn’t fair they are forced to type in that information manually and Anet should automatically max everything out for them.

Why is it acceptable for PVP players to get their dailies done in fifteen minutes without ever having do to game modes they don’t like, but unacceptable when PvE players want the same thing?

TIL Fractals and Dungeons aren’t PvE……

Come on man, you didnt really just go there ?

Bah, you took my comeback!

PvP is a game mode, WvW is a game mode, and PvE is a game mode. Nobody in PvP or WvW are complaining. The ones complaining are the PvEers that have decided they want to pick and choose what they do and don’t want to do within their own category.

It’s like if someone was complaining that the PvP dailies force him to capture points or kill people because they only want to treb on Khylo and should be able to play the way they want and still complete their dailies.

Or a WvWer who only likes capturing Ruins complains that they are “forced” to capture camps or sentries or engage enemy players.

If you want to only play a segment of your game mode, then you may not be able to get your daily done. That’s pretty much the long and short of it.

To be honest some people may not have the time to devote to fractals.

So, I think they should add in a fourth category and add in dungeons to dailies. That way open world PvE and dungeons can remain separate but not remove any options.

TexZero.7910:

Rauderi.8706:

• Double Fractals which defy natural gameplay, and yet exclude dungeon groups.

Please elaborate on this. How does fractals defy natural gameplay ?

Are people who play them an anomaly now ?
Are that somehow accessing something that shouldn’t be there ?

Lets be real here the ignorance from that statement is beyond belief. Plenty of people run fractals daily alongside doing other dungeons. Perhaps coming out of the world boss train shell wouldn’t hurt the crowd that thinks Fractals defy normal gameplay. Heck they may actually learn something by doing them other than press 1.

Unfortunately, I can’t remember the last time a Fractal popped up while I was solo-mapping Metrica Province. Nor did I see a Fractal portal open up while my friend and I were doing paired up to have fun in Silverwastes after our guild declined to run dungeons.

So, way to completely miss the purpose of calling out bad design decisions. There’s no AP for that, sadly. Seems like the qq-hurt over getting rid of double-fractal dailies (even if the OP is mildly entitled about it) stems from someone omg-getting something when they “shouldn’t,” because they don’t play in the way someone else demands.

Of course, it’s really ignorant to assume that people don’t do other PvE things like events, gathering, wandering, exploration, jumping puzzles (which I can’t remember being in a the rotation), and contributing to end-game zone objectives like Orr, Dry Top, and Silverwastes. It’s not all captial-vistas and boss trains.

As an extra note, Heart of Thorns is intending on revamping Fractals entirely and giving Fractals their own daily tab.

So, in the end, I guess OP gets to win.

Since the discussion in this thread has derailed and is no longer constructive this thread is now closed.