Is this going to be something that those of us who have Tomes can do or will there be a restriction like time gating ? I would really like to know because in the meantime I would like to get another class going (Mesmer and Necromancer) while I wait for the Revenant and HoT to come to fruition.
Tomes level up characters. Revenants are characters. Tomes level up Revenants. Enough tomes level Revenants to 80. Seems pretty straight forward to me. There will be many many Revenants in HoT within the first, I’ll say hour, just because they’ll have to run them all the way there.
I was thinking of using tomes to level my Revenant, but I think i’ll hold off and actually play them from level 1. Giving me a chance to learn the profession, and find out which traits work and which don’t.
But I do foresee a ton of lvl 80 Revenants from the start.
“You know what the chain of command is?
It’s the chain I beat you with until you
recognize my command!”
As of this time, you can use tomes to get to level 80. That will give you 400 hero points, enough for your skills and enough traits for “a few builds.” Getting 65 more hero points by doing hero challenged will get you the remainder needed.
They are removing the old skill challenges and putting in hero challenges. There is no indication they will put in the same number, and imo it’s likely to be only 65, the number needed to get full customization. If true, this means they will be widely spaced across the maps.
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
Tomes level up characters. Revenants are characters. Tomes level up Revenants. Enough tomes level Revenants to 80. Seems pretty straight forward to me. There will be many many Revenants in HoT within the first, I’ll say hour, just because they’ll have to run them all the way there.
I plan to be level 80 before I leave the starting zone. Golem banker FTW.
Many alts; handle it!
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I was thinking of using tomes to level my Revenant, but I think i’ll hold off and actually play them from level 1. Giving me a chance to learn the profession, and find out which traits work and which don’t.
But I do foresee a ton of lvl 80 Revenants from the start.
That’s how I’m going to play it too. I had my fill of auto leveling characters after I did that for something like five in a row.
Kal, is this your opinion or is this an official Anet stance ?
thanks
During the SAS they specifically said that Tomes of Knowledge give you levels. There is literally no reason to believe that this would be different for Revenant. They have repeatedly explained that it’s just a class. It is treated like any other class. So I will go with yes, this is ANet’s official stance.
As of this time, you can use tomes to get to level 80. That will give you 400 hero points, enough for your skills and enough traits for “a few builds.” Getting 65 more hero points by doing hero challenged will get you the remainder needed.
They are removing the old skill challenges and putting in hero challenges. There is no indication they will put in the same number, and imo it’s likely to be only 65, the number needed to get full customization. If true, this means they will be widely spaced across the maps.
Hero challenges are meant to be high level content, so it’s likely they will only be in upper level zones like Orr and Frostgorge Sound. I hadn’t actually considered them taking out the ones that are already there, but I supposed they did practically say as much.
I wonder how they’ll handle places of power. Will they still be available to convert quartz, or will you have to go to those other zones in order to do that?
As of this time, you can use tomes to get to level 80. That will give you 400 hero points, enough for your skills and enough traits for “a few builds.” Getting 65 more hero points by doing hero challenged will get you the remainder needed.
They are removing the old skill challenges and putting in hero challenges. There is no indication they will put in the same number, and imo it’s likely to be only 65, the number needed to get full customization. If true, this means they will be widely spaced across the maps.
Wait I thought they were just converting the old Skill challenges into the Hero challenges? So this mean a lot of them are vanishing?
I was thinking of using tomes to level my Revenant, but I think i’ll hold off and actually play them from level 1. Giving me a chance to learn the profession, and find out which traits work and which don’t.
But I do foresee a ton of lvl 80 Revenants from the start.
Imo, it’s better to get to level 80 immediately to learn how the class works. You’ll have access to all skills and a bunch of traits. Why spend hours/days just getting to the spot where you can learn which traits work and which don’t when you can get or it immediately? Myself, I don’t find spending the time slowly unlocking the weapon skills, then slowly unlocking the utility skills, then slowly unlocking the traits, compelling play time. I’ve been there and done that before this.
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
As of this time, you can use tomes to get to level 80. That will give you 400 hero points, enough for your skills and enough traits for “a few builds.” Getting 65 more hero points by doing hero challenged will get you the remainder needed.
They are removing the old skill challenges and putting in hero challenges. There is no indication they will put in the same number, and imo it’s likely to be only 65, the number needed to get full customization. If true, this means they will be widely spaced across the maps.
Wait I thought they were just converting the old Skill challenges into the Hero challenges? So this mean a lot of them are vanishing?
Well, I don’t know, of course.
But we do know that they are being removed and replaced and we do know that 465 is the max number needed to unlock all skills and traits. We also know that there are a finite amount of hero points. So why give us more than we need, if they are unusable? They would be sitting in your UI with no purpose. So, I think there will be only 65 in the world. (Just my guess of course).
If they need more with later expansions, they can always add them to the maps that come with that expansion. Or add them to the Tyrian maps.
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
I was thinking of using tomes to level my Revenant, but I think i’ll hold off and actually play them from level 1. Giving me a chance to learn the profession, and find out which traits work and which don’t.
But I do foresee a ton of lvl 80 Revenants from the start.
Most likely the majority of Revs at release at 80 will be those who played in the beta. The smaller percent will be people who just decided to try it. The majority of 80s altogether though will be people who are most comfortable with the class they played the most.
I was thinking of using tomes to level my Revenant, but I think i’ll hold off and actually play them from level 1. Giving me a chance to learn the profession, and find out which traits work and which don’t.
But I do foresee a ton of lvl 80 Revenants from the start.
Imo, it’s better to get to level 80 immediately to learn how the class works. You’ll have access to all skills and a bunch of traits. Why spend hours/days just getting to the spot where you can learn which traits work and which don’t when you can get or it immediately? Myself, I don’t find spending the time slowly unlocking the weapon skills, then slowly unlocking the utility skills, then slowly unlocking the traits, compelling play time. I’ve been there and done that before this.
Different people learn differently.
I know I won’t be using tomes.
I don’t want to suddenly have everything available and have to choose from numerous skills and traits. I’d rather open up a few new ones at a time.
I was thinking of using tomes to level my Revenant, but I think i’ll hold off and actually play them from level 1. Giving me a chance to learn the profession, and find out which traits work and which don’t.
But I do foresee a ton of lvl 80 Revenants from the start.
Imo, it’s better to get to level 80 immediately to learn how the class works. You’ll have access to all skills and a bunch of traits. Why spend hours/days just getting to the spot where you can learn which traits work and which don’t when you can get or it immediately? Myself, I don’t find spending the time slowly unlocking the weapon skills, then slowly unlocking the utility skills, then slowly unlocking the traits, compelling play time. I’ve been there and done that before this.
True, but for me I’m not in a rush to get another profession to 80. I don’t mind the leveling process, plus it gives a chance to unlock WPs and maps. Have a guardian I tome leveled, and he has very little of the map. So anything I want to do with him in PvE I have to spend even more time running around to get to where I need to go, instead of just WPing there. Luckily I generally use him for WvW so….
But yeah tome leveling certainly is quicker and has the advantage of access to everything, but the major downside is you have almost none of the map opened, and less practical experience with various weapons and builds.
“You know what the chain of command is?
It’s the chain I beat you with until you
recognize my command!”
There is no way Arena Net is going to let you go from 1-80 instantly with Revenant using Tomes of Knowledge.
Arena Net have said nothing official on this AFAIK.
But expect incoming blog explaining why it is a bad idea to let you all instantly lvl to 80 with Revenant. Just like you won’t have any skill points to use with Revenant anymore, Tomes of Knowledge will be changed in some way to stop you levelling Revenant to 80.
There is no way Arena Net is going to let you go from 1-80 instantly with Revenant using Tomes of Knowledge.
Arena Net have said nothing official on this AFAIK.
But expect incoming blog explaining why it is a bad idea to let you all instantly lvl to 80 with Revenant. Just like you won’t have any skill points to use with Revenant anymore, Tomes of Knowledge will be changed in some way to stop you levelling Revenant to 80.
And why not? If someone has the tomes, why would they be prevented from using them? Even at level 80 you can still use leveling tomes, so there is no restriction there.
There is no reason at all to not be able to use tomes of knowledge on the Revenant. That would be incredibly stupid.
“You know what the chain of command is?
It’s the chain I beat you with until you
recognize my command!”
agree it makes no sense to come out with new class and allow ppl to instant level to 80
I argue it makes no sense to not allow it, since they’ve already given us the means to do it. What harm is there in letting people do this? None more than letting any other class level 0 to max with tomes.
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agree it makes no sense to come out with new class and allow ppl to instant level to 80
And why not? Guild Wars 2, to my experience, does not allow you to experience your class to the fullest before level 80, so it’s actually the best pick to get level 80 immediately, so you can try all the potential it has… either way expect 50% of GW2 players suddenly playing revenants everywhere you go… :P
agree it makes no sense to come out with new class and allow ppl to instant level to 80
Considering that the ability to craft to max level has been available since launch, I don’t see what the problem is. There was a couple of guys right at launch that had guildies send them mats and they leveled to 80 extremely fast, just by crafting. People have been crafting to max level all this time. You didn’t know that?
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
Tomes of Knowledge will be changed in some way to stop you levelling Revenant to 80.
That will kick a lot of people in the head… I do not think they’ll risk something this radical, because a lot of people have already saved up their tomes for this.
I already have a lot of characters and the majority of them are at 80, with multiple 80s of most professions. My current plan is to make a revenant soon after launch and use tomes/scrolls to level that character to 80 immediately. I may also buy another character slot for an additional revenant and level that one up “normally”.
Why? Because that way I have one character with access to all of the traits and skills (as soon as I complete an additional 65 or so hero challenges apparently, which probably won’t actually take all that long) and I’ll still have one to “enjoy the normal leveling process with” even though I’ve already done it a number of times before. For some bizarre reason that seems to be how I learn the existing professions best. Why would a revenant be any different from, say, a guardian (I have 5) or an ele (I have 4) in that regard?
Alts-R-Us ~ All professions at 80 ~ Still leveling characters.
Main? What “main”? I play all of them sooner or later.
There is no way Arena Net is going to let you go from 1-80 instantly with Revenant using Tomes of Knowledge.
Arena Net have said nothing official on this AFAIK.
But expect incoming blog explaining why it is a bad idea to let you all instantly lvl to 80 with Revenant. Just like you won’t have any skill points to use with Revenant anymore, Tomes of Knowledge will be changed in some way to stop you levelling Revenant to 80.
Why would you think there is no way? They are introducing only post level 80 content and a new class. Why would they do anything to prevent you from using that new class in the content they just created?
They wouldn’t, and they’ve made that very clear in a number of places and ways.
There is no way Arena Net is going to let you go from 1-80 instantly with Revenant using Tomes of Knowledge.
Arena Net have said nothing official on this AFAIK.
But expect incoming blog explaining why it is a bad idea to let you all instantly lvl to 80 with Revenant. Just like you won’t have any skill points to use with Revenant anymore, Tomes of Knowledge will be changed in some way to stop you levelling Revenant to 80.
There’s no way they can without having a huge PR disaster after HoT launches. And that’s the last thing that ANet needs.
ArenaNet made the decision to allow leveling tomes in the first place. They’re not going to exempt the revenant from this simply by virtue of it being new.
If you want to level your revenant the old-fashioned way, terrific.
If you want to insta-level your revenant with tomes, terrific.
Tomes give you levels. But you won’t have access to all your traits: apparently you need ~460 of those new hero points while getting to level 80 will give 400. Plus, what about skills? Are you sure you’ll be given any skills in the new system if you tome it?
These are the same people who created the current NPE, so it’s likely there will be some massive slog to get your toon into a playable state.
Tomes give you levels. But you won’t have access to all your traits: apparently you need ~460 of those new hero points while getting to level 80 will give 400. Plus, what about skills? Are you sure you’ll be given any skills in the new system if you tome it?
These are the same people who created the current NPE, so it’s likely there will be some massive slog to get your toon into a playable state.
Leveling to 80 will give you core functionality, meaning it will allow for probably one build. It will be even easier for a Revenant to do this because unlike every other class where you can mix and match skills all the Revenant skill lines are locked together anyway. Unlock two lines and you have a build. Then, while you could mix and match traits, the trait lines are also built around legends so unlock two lines for the skill lines you picked and then whatever you can for a third and you’re golden.
You should watch the beginning of the SAS. It starts off by showing how skills and traits are unlocked in the new system.
Tomes give you levels. But you won’t have access to all your traits: apparently you need ~460 of those new hero points while getting to level 80 will give 400. Plus, what about skills? Are you sure you’ll be given any skills in the new system if you tome it?
Well you’ll be using the hero points for unlocking both traits and sets of skills. I guess it might be possible for someone to dump all points into trait lines and have nothing left over for skill unlocks. There isn’t enough information to know if making that kind of mistake is possible.
Tomes give you levels. But you won’t have access to all your traits: apparently you need ~460 of those new hero points while getting to level 80 will give 400. Plus, what about skills? Are you sure you’ll be given any skills in the new system if you tome it?
Well you’ll be using the hero points for unlocking both traits and sets of skills. I guess it might be possible for someone to dump all points into trait lines and have nothing left over for skill unlocks. There isn’t enough information to know if making that kind of mistake is possible.
Based on what I saw it seems like that might be abundantly possible.
Tomes give you levels. But you won’t have access to all your traits: apparently you need ~460 of those new hero points while getting to level 80 will give 400. Plus, what about skills? Are you sure you’ll be given any skills in the new system if you tome it?
These are the same people who created the current NPE, so it’s likely there will be some massive slog to get your toon into a playable state.
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/specializations-part-one-a-primer/
“Hero Points will be limited, and they’ll be earned strictly through what are currently called skill challenges (these will become known as hero challenges) and leveling up. A level 80 character that’s done none of the hero challenges should be able to unlock more than enough skills, specializations, and traits to make several unique full builds.”
A tome Revenant will have 400 hero points to start with. They only need 465 total to unlock everything, so a new level 80 will have 86% of all the hero points it will need towards full unlock.
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
Besides, forcing people to slow level their characters is the exact opposite of what they want – players buying and using HoT, which has level 80 zones.
I thought we needed more than 465 points because of the elite specializations not being counted in that.
I haven’t seen one way or another.
They said that any level 80 that has the expansion will have the elite specialization, which includes the Revenant. They say a tome level 80 will have 400 and only needs 65 more for full unlock. I was assuming then that the full unlock includes the elite specialization, since it’s part of what they get at level 80 if they have the expansion.
Maybe the 465 is for non expansion level 80s, but they are including it in the information about HoT. Seems to me if the information is about level 80s with the expansion the number of hero points would be calculated for it. /shrug
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ANet may give it to you.
I was thinking of using tomes to level my Revenant, but I think i’ll hold off and actually play them from level 1. Giving me a chance to learn the profession, and find out which traits work and which don’t.
But I do foresee a ton of lvl 80 Revenants from the start.
Could probably still level quickly without “learning the profession.” Use a level 20 scroll, acquire another good 10-20 levels, be vastly overleveled as you start exploring. Besides, people will want to do world exploration for Hero Points before traversing into Heart of Thorns as well…it would seem insensible not to.
I was thinking of using tomes to level my Revenant, but I think i’ll hold off and actually play them from level 1. Giving me a chance to learn the profession, and find out which traits work and which don’t.
But I do foresee a ton of lvl 80 Revenants from the start.
Yes, I too will start at level 1 and learn the skills… but I do have around 15 tomes at the mo.
Arena Net can change anything they want, when they want.
Changed skill points didn’t they? Deleted glory from the game. Totally abandoned underwater combat, deleting the underwater PvP map. Deleted water from WvW.
Nothing is safe or off the table. If someone at Anet says change Tomes of Knowledge so we don’t have hordes of 80th lvl Revenants about 10 mins after HoT drops. Then that’s it, you will after lvl the hold fashioned way or via crafting. I really would not get your hopes up. They really don’t care about s*itstorms on the forum.
Hopefully, someone will ask them officially about it and we get a definitive answer.
There are going to be dozens more blogs between now and HoT is realised going into more details about the expansion. Would not surprise me one bit to see Tomes of Knowledge disabled on Revenants.
Arena Net can change anything they want, when they want.
Changed skill points didn’t they? Deleted glory from the game. Totally abandoned underwater combat, deleting the underwater PvP map. Deleted water from WvW.
Nothing is safe or off the table. If someone at Anet says change Tomes of Knowledge so we don’t have hordes of 80th lvl Revenants about 10 mins after HoT drops. Then that’s it, you will after lvl the hold fashioned way or via crafting. I really would not get your hopes up. They really don’t care about s*itstorms on the forum.
Hopefully, someone will ask them officially about it and we get a definitive answer.
There are going to be dozens more blogs between now and HoT is realised going into more details about the expansion. Would not surprise me one bit to see Tomes of Knowledge disabled on Revenants.
If I get a new guardian alt, and I never have played guardian before, why is that so different than playing the Revenant? Both are brand new to me. If I can tome one of the old professions, why not Revenant?
When the game started, people crafted the brand new professions to 80. What makes using tomes so different? Explain so we all can understand.
What is the difference between standing at a crafting table or using tomes, if both get you to 80 in a short time without playing the profession.
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ANet may give it to you.
Kal, is this your opinion or is this an official Anet stance ?
Yes. ArenaNet has officially stated revenants will be able to use existing ways of gaining XP — specifically tomes.
However, if you’ve been following the Traits discussion, all new characters will also need to do 65 skill point challenges to unlock the full range of trat lines/utility skills so while insta-80 Revenants will have 400 out of 465 of the points needed for full trait/utility unlocking (more than enough for any specific build desired) to have access to the tools for all possible builds they will have to do a bit of adventuring.
“You keep saying ‘its unfair.’
I wonder what your basis for comparison is…”
- Jareth, King of Goblins.
I plan on playing my Rev till at least 10-20 to get a feel for it, then poppin tomes like theyre going outta style…Given I only have a spare 20 atm, but I foresee that being at least double by the time it releases. (And if the expance is 50 bucks on release I’ll wait till a sale and save even more tomes lol)
I can give you one solid reason that instant level 80 will be okay: WvW.
I myself an a mostly WvW player ankitten ot interested in the “leveling experience” and almost all of PvE unless I’m doing bounties. I try some of the new content every once in a while, but for the most part I stick to killing people in my BL. WvW is not viable outside of level 80 no matter what people will tell you. For WvW players to enjoy revenant without having to grind through PvE or EOTM, and enjoy the shiny new WvW features (so excited for them btw) with the shiny new profession.
Just one reason I believe times will be useable…most others have been mentioned.
