I was just wonder as to ANET’s policy on this. I realize there’s the auction house, but when it comes to selling large items you get taxed so heavily that it’s a deterrent. If they took out all the money (including listing fee) after it sold that would be one thing. Getting off track, but I finally finished making a Kudzu. I want to use the profits from it to help 2 of my friends get their precursors.
Could ANET could answer this:
If I make a trade with another player via mail system, both have in-text agreements and confirmations as to the deal, would ANET punish the player as to the “scamming” report as well as return the bow if they did nothing but attempt to steal it?
I was just wonder as to ANET’s policy on this. I realize there’s the auction house, but when it comes to selling large items you get taxed so heavily that it’s a deterrent. If they took out all the money (including listing fee) after it sold that would be one thing. Getting off track, but I finally finished making a Kudzu. I want to use the profits from it to help 2 of my friends get their precursors.
Could ANET could answer this:
If I make a trade with another player via mail system, both have in-text agreements and confirmations as to the deal, would ANET punish the player as to the “scamming” report as well as return the bow if they did nothing but attempt to steal it?
Anet has already stated previously that they are not responsible if you use the mail system for trading. It has been stated time and time not to use the mail system for trading and doing so is at your own risk. Basically by that statement it means you cant report them for scamming or anything cause you took the risk.
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You might get an Anet answer to this, but I don’t think you’re gonna like it. As I understand it, if you go outside the TP, you assume the risk.
I figured this was the case. Putting Kudzu up and wasting 69gold on listing fee alone with the chance someone undercuts me, effectively wasting 69g…. that’s just screwed up. When it comes to BIG items, I swear I just wish they would make listing fees take it out after the auction.
To avoid that, price your item appropriately. Halfway between the lowest seller and the highest buyer is always a good starting point. (These days I go for the 3/4 mark between LS and HB.) Very few people will undercut you because they’re not willing to lose the listing fee (as you are), and even if they do, the TP flippers will notice that the price for Kudzu has fallen by a significant margin and will rush to snap up all the Kudzu’s at similar prices (including yours). Either way, your Kudzu will end up selling, which is far better than leaving it at a higher price and missing out on the sale altogether.
You can sell something without incurring the listing fee if you find the highest bid attractive. Just list it for 1c higher than the vendor price of the item.
This will automatically sell it to the highest bidder. You would receive the amount of the highest bid less the 10% transaction fee and occur no 5% list fee.
No it’s called an anti-inflation measure. Any good mmo finds a way of making money evaporate because without it it just builds up in the system until everything costs so much that no new players can get into the game and it slowly dies from stagnation.
the upfront cost is placed so that people can not list something expensive without the initial risk to them. This also deters people from automatically trying to sell precursors and other objects of high value.
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lol You don’t need ANET to tell you that it is your fault for taking such a risk. The best way to deal with this type of situation is to not do it at all and stick to regular ways of handling transactions.
Listing fees are just another way for them to eat your gold up so more players want to buy gem$$$$$$$$
No it’s called an anti-inflation measure. Any good mmo finds a way of making money evaporate because without it it just builds up in the system until everything costs so much that no new players can get into the game and it slowly dies from stagnation.
They specifically did not implement a trade function in this game. Why else is that? Hmm.
There’s plenty of other games with both a trade function and auction house fees.
Because trade between players is filled with scams and I’m sure they got tired of support being flooded by stupid people who didn’t double check the trade before hitting ‘agree’.
I actually kind of pity anyone desperate enough to try to take advantage of the horrible conversion rate of cash to gold through the gem system.
Listing fees are just another way for them to eat your gold up so more players want to buy gem$$$$$$$$
No it’s called an anti-inflation measure. Any good mmo finds a way of making money evaporate because without it it just builds up in the system until everything costs so much that no new players can get into the game and it slowly dies from stagnation.
They specifically did not implement a trade function in this game. Why else is that? Hmm.
There’s plenty of other games with both a trade function and auction house fees.
Because trade between players is filled with scams and I’m sure they got tired of support being flooded by stupid people who didn’t double check the trade before hitting ‘agree’.
I actually kind of pity anyone desperate enough to try to take advantage of the horrible conversion rate of cash to gold through the gem system.
I don’t know how or why they would be expected to police the player to player trading when other games certainly don’t. In many ways, this game is kind of simplified for certain players though, so maybe that’s why.
Also, I don’t doubt that the conversion rate isn’t super great, but some idiots drop $50 on those dumb RNG boxes for an ugly weapon skin, so those kinds of people are out there. My point was more aimed at the fact that Anet will do many things(except nerf CoF) to make gold scarce so that anybody(lazy people with money) might be more inclined to purchase gems.
You can sell something without incurring the listing fee if you find the highest bid attractive. Just list it for 1c higher than the vendor price of the item.
This will automatically sell it to the highest bidder. You would receive the amount of the highest bid less the 10% transaction fee and occur no 5% list fee.
Hmmm… This I did not know. Thanks for sharing that tip.
Also, I don’t doubt that the conversion rate isn’t super great, but some idiots drop $50 on those dumb RNG boxes for an ugly weapon skin, so those kinds of people are out there. My point was more aimed at the fact that Anet will do many things(except nerf CoF) to make gold scarce so that anybody(lazy people with money) might be more inclined to purchase gems.
Having gold scarce most likely does not lead to people purchasing more gems.
Prices of goods on TP and gem themselves aren’t static. Scarce gold will simply lead to lower TP/Gem prices. The latter simply means that the Gem/Gold ratio will react by making Gems cheaper as gold becomes scarce in the economy.
Yes, Anet does many thing to make people purchase more gems. However, those efforts are mainly focused on coming out with cool stuff on the Gem Store. The overall economy in this game most likely has very little impact on Gem purchases seeing as the Gem/Gold exchange actually self-adjusts to the player economy.
I was just wonder as to ANET’s policy on this. I realize there’s the auction house, but when it comes to selling large items you get taxed so heavily that it’s a deterrent. If they took out all the money (including listing fee) after it sold that would be one thing. Getting off track, but I finally finished making a Kudzu. I want to use the profits from it to help 2 of my friends get their precursors.
Could ANET could answer this:
If I make a trade with another player via mail system, both have in-text agreements and confirmations as to the deal, would ANET punish the player as to the “scamming” report as well as return the bow if they did nothing but attempt to steal it?
Anet has already stated previously that they are not responsible if you use the mail system for trading. It has been stated time and time not to use the mail system for trading and doing so is at your own risk. Basically by that statement it means you cant report them for scamming or anything cause you took the risk.
As Sudden said, already been hashed out, you are basically on your own unless ANET is in a good mood when you get scammed out of your goods and/or money.
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I don’t know how or why they would be expected to police the player to player trading when other games certainly don’t. In many ways, this game is kind of simplified for certain players though, so maybe that’s why.
Also, I don’t doubt that the conversion rate isn’t super great, but some idiots drop $50 on those dumb RNG boxes for an ugly weapon skin, so those kinds of people are out there. My point was more aimed at the fact that Anet will do many things(except nerf CoF) to make gold scarce so that anybody(lazy people with money) might be more inclined to purchase gems.
You are responding in a thread where someone is expecting them to police the trading even in the absence of a trading system. You think if there was one people wouldn’t be expecting them to police it?
