Guild Wars 2

Xillllix.3485:

Achrya.7892:

Pls do me a favor and send a screenshot of that 17-20k dmg, okay? Seems a bit exaggerated.

Here you go:
(see image below)

I agree that some crit/burst numbers need to be looked at, but c’mon peeps… put on some gear that has vitality in it…

There is the staple pvt gear for reasons, because it’s those numbers that matter most in zerg/mass settings…

Some of you are jumping into mass combat with the lowest possible health and complaining…

Get some pvt gear and get precision food/utility buffs and put all precision/fury/crit stuff inside your gears…

C0R hitting 5 targets brings it in line with other aoe skills, so that’s not so much an adjustment as a bug fix.

It doesn’t address the central issue in wvw, in that it hits like a truck at max range. Stopping after kittens doesn’t fix the damage issue- and anyone with half a brain can position themselves to hit the back lines with it and ignore any melee, I’ve been doing this for years on a variety of classes, it’s not hard to avoid the melee train whilst on a squishie.

They need to take the plunge and separate out skills between wvw, pve, and pvp- then they can balance skills for pvp to their hearts content without ruining builds for pve players, who can’t switch builds at the drop of a hat by swopping one free amulet.

Swagger.1459:

I agree that some crit/burst numbers need to be looked at, but c’mon peeps… put on some gear that has vitality in it…

There is the staple pvt gear for reasons, because it’s those numbers that matter most in zerg/mass settings…

Some of you are jumping into mass combat with the lowest possible health and complaining…

Get some pvt gear and get precision food/utility buffs and put all precision/fury/crit stuff inside your gears…

Come again?

This IS an elementalist in pvt armor.

If you know nothing about a class please keep your mouth shut.

I’ll log on soon to confirm my ele vitality… Chat with you soon

Swagger.1459:

Xillllix.3485:

Achrya.7892:

Pls do me a favor and send a screenshot of that 17-20k dmg, okay? Seems a bit exaggerated.

Here you go:
(see image below)

I agree that some crit/burst numbers need to be looked at, but c’mon peeps… put on some gear that has vitality in it…

There is the staple pvt gear for reasons, because it’s those numbers that matter most in zerg/mass settings…

Some of you are jumping into mass combat with the lowest possible health and complaining…

Get some pvt gear and get precision food/utility buffs and put all precision/fury/crit stuff inside your gears…

The guy in that scan definitely has extra vitality. An ele that has none will have less than 13k life not over 15k.

Combatter.5123:

Xillllix.3485:

Gaile Gray.6029:

A message from the Balance Team:

As mentioned in our “Road Ahead for 2015” blog, our strategy for adjusting the meta-game in Guild Wars 2 after the release of Heart of Thorns focuses on releasing balance updates on a set cycle – each and every quarter.

Your strategy isn’t good.

First of all you need to fix broken skills that do 17-20k damage like Coalescence of Ruin or Gun Flame on the week we find out the issues, not 3 months later, because these press 1 button to win skills are ruining the game for everyone in the competitive modes.

Secondly, we don’t want “meta changes” where you are just stuck into playing the same build for 3 months. We want balanced skills so that we can have Build variety as it was promised with the new trait system. The players should be dictating the meta by creative thinking, Anet shouldn’t be dictating it for them and cornering them into meta-builds that they have no choice to run, as it currently is.

This, this, and this.

See how this guy mentioned nothing about OP Tempest perma sustain + damage reduction + immune condition + perma reflect? (Not to mention to the whole group)

That guy is an Ele main. Don’t trust him lol..
He cries about 2 WEAK PVP weapons because those 2 actually hurt Tempest.
How’s 2 weak PVP weapons ruining the game more than Tempest, Chrono and Mallyx Rev?

Ashamir.9574:

Swagger.1459:

I agree that some crit/burst numbers need to be looked at, but c’mon peeps… put on some gear that has vitality in it…

There is the staple pvt gear for reasons, because it’s those numbers that matter most in zerg/mass settings…

Some of you are jumping into mass combat with the lowest possible health and complaining…

Get some pvt gear and get precision food/utility buffs and put all precision/fury/crit stuff inside your gears…

Come again?

This IS an elementalist in pvt armor.

If you know nothing about a class please keep your mouth shut.

Standing in wvw with ALL ascended celestial armor/trinkets/weapon, without food buffs, I have 19,315 HP

Standing in wvw with a ascended celestial weapon and full set of ascended celestial armor WITHOUT backpiece or rings or accessories or amulet and in staring at 16,018 HP. No food buffs either.

… Yeah…

Get better gear and build for mass combat…

And for the record, I have one of each profession now, minus engineer. Thanks.

It is sad to see Mesmer being penalised so harshly on Echo of Memory, especially considering this is a skill from an Elite Specialisation and that their other block skills, namely:

Illusionary Counter is 2secs
Illusionary Reposte is 2.25 seconds.

Engineer
Static Shield 1.25s
Shock Shield 2s

Guardian
Shelter – 2s

Revenant
Warding Rift 2s
Duelist’s Preparation 2s
Crystal Hibernation 3s

Warrior
Shield Stance 3s

Swagger.1459:

Ashamir.9574:

Swagger.1459:

I agree that some crit/burst numbers need to be looked at, but c’mon peeps… put on some gear that has vitality in it…

There is the staple pvt gear for reasons, because it’s those numbers that matter most in zerg/mass settings…

Some of you are jumping into mass combat with the lowest possible health and complaining…

Get some pvt gear and get precision food/utility buffs and put all precision/fury/crit stuff inside your gears…

Come again?

This IS an elementalist in pvt armor.

If you know nothing about a class please keep your mouth shut.

Standing in wvw with ALL ascended celestial armor/trinkets/weapon, without food buffs, I have 19,315 HP

Standing in wvw with a ascended celestial weapon and full set of ascended celestial armor WITHOUT backpiece or rings or accessories or amulet and in staring at 16,018 HP. No food buffs either.

… Yeah…

Get better gear and build for mass combat…

And for the record, I have one of each profession now, minus engineer. Thanks.

I hold to my statement. What you said was clearly wrong, because if you play the class at least somewhat regularely you know that a full zerk ele has 11k+ hp.

Please don’t start making excuses now. You weren’t talking about cele, you were talking about people being in WVw without any vitality/toughness. If you’d known the base hp of an ele you wouldn’t have said that. Just check what you’re saying next time, that’s all I want.

Btw I have every class as well. But having it (even with full exotic/ascended equipment and a propper build) does not mean that you know the class.

Ashamir.9574:

Swagger.1459:

Ashamir.9574:

Swagger.1459:

I agree that some crit/burst numbers need to be looked at, but c’mon peeps… put on some gear that has vitality in it…

There is the staple pvt gear for reasons, because it’s those numbers that matter most in zerg/mass settings…

Some of you are jumping into mass combat with the lowest possible health and complaining…

Get some pvt gear and get precision food/utility buffs and put all precision/fury/crit stuff inside your gears…

Come again?

This IS an elementalist in pvt armor.

If you know nothing about a class please keep your mouth shut.

Standing in wvw with ALL ascended celestial armor/trinkets/weapon, without food buffs, I have 19,315 HP

Standing in wvw with a ascended celestial weapon and full set of ascended celestial armor WITHOUT backpiece or rings or accessories or amulet and in staring at 16,018 HP. No food buffs either.

… Yeah…

Get better gear and build for mass combat…

And for the record, I have one of each profession now, minus engineer. Thanks.

I hold to my statement. What you said was clearly wrong, because if you play the class at least somewhat regularely you know that a full zerk ele has 11k+ hp.

Please don’t start making excuses now. You weren’t talking about cele, you were talking about people being in WVw without any vitality/toughness. If you’d known the base hp of an ele you wouldn’t have said that. Just check what you’re saying next time, that’s all I want.

Btw I have every class as well. But having it (even with full exotic/ascended equipment and a propper build) does not mean that you know the class.

I have facts on my side, you can’t backtrack.

Get better gear period. That’s the point.

Go load up a gw2 build maker and use it. Stop complaining about crit/burst and get more vitality in your gear.

Anyone here will disprove you with the facts. Again, stop complaining and fix that awful build you are running around in first before making arguments.

Lady Elyssa.2469:

It is sad to see Mesmer being penalised so harshly on Echo of Memory, especially considering this is a skill from an Elite Specialisation and that their other block skills, namely:

Illusionary Counter is 2secs
Illusionary Reposte is 2.25 seconds.

Engineer
Static Shield 1.25s
Shock Shield 2s

Guardian
Shelter – 2s

Revenant
Warding Rift 2s
Duelist’s Preparation 2s
Crystal Hibernation 3s

Warrior
Shield Stance 3s

Eelite spec skills aren’t supposed to be better.
The fact they mostly are put us in a awful situation overall in the game.

The mesmer block has to be balanced around the fact that it can be used twice.

Your arguments are transparent and full of holes. Get better gear.

Godmoney.2048:

Levetty.1279:

Nausicca.6038:

Levetty.1279:

You aren’t going to make the game worse for your paying customers just to appease a minority of players, who don’t want to learn how to play the game, when you can easily split the changes right?

Huhuhu, good try

Why should this skill be nerfed in PvE?

I’m sure you’re not refering to the Chrono bunker’s shield 4 skill are you? Only somebody lacking common sense and reasoning would be using that in PVE.

I look forward to personally kicking the first chronomancer I see using shield in pve just like I would do if they’re using scepter.

But of course you weren’t referencing the shield’s 4 skill because that would be insane for somebody to actually be worried about pve balance in relationship to that particular skill which is entirely useless for pve.

so wait, your not going to use shield in PVE? which gives quickness to allies, does dmg, and does heft dmg to break bar, or stuns enemies?

or is your plan to not use your phantasm generating skill at all, while equiping your best dps?
oh yeah the phantasm that slows enemies and gives alacrity to allies.

Im not saying the changes are the worst in the world, but im sorry guys, pve is different now, open world in hot demands more defense, better use of CC, and yeah, blocks for channels. Fractals needs good use of teamwork, and raids are difficult.

skills matter in pve now.

Back to pvp, making all blur not contribute to capture points is a bad idea, precog only might be ok (though it will now become a troll your own party skill), but mesmer has always been designed thats its best defense is timed use of blur.
Mesmer as a tank (hence the shield) that cant hold a point, is a fairly bad idea.

Thank you for once again screwing over PvE mesmers because of a flawed PvP design that promotes stalling over everything else. One wonders for how many more years your stubbornness on not splitting PvE/PvP balance will continue, even though you already learned this lesson in GW1.

Lady Elyssa.2469:

It is sad to see Mesmer being penalised so harshly on Echo of Memory, especially considering this is a skill from an Elite Specialisation and that their other block skills, namely:

Illusionary Counter is 2secs
Illusionary Reposte is 2.25 seconds.

Engineer
Static Shield 1.25s
Shock Shield 2s

Guardian
Shelter – 2s

Revenant
Warding Rift 2s
Duelist’s Preparation 2s
Crystal Hibernation 3s

Warrior
Shield Stance 3s

Lady Elyssa.2469:

It is sad to see Mesmer being penalised so harshly on Echo of Memory, especially considering this is a skill from an Elite Specialisation and that their other block skills, namely:

Illusionary Counter is 2secs
Illusionary Reposte is 2.25 seconds.

Engineer
Static Shield 1.25s
Shock Shield 2s

Guardian
Shelter – 2s

Revenant
Warding Rift 2s
Duelist’s Preparation 2s
Crystal Hibernation 3s

Warrior
Shield Stance 3s

Keep in mind that, used properly, the block is much longer than 2.25 seconds (due to the instance refresh, signet of the ether and continuum split).

The mesmer nerf needs to happen for PvP reasons. It is a shame that it will impact PVE as well – where Echo of Memory is providing some fun gameplay options for the mesmer.

Ashamir.9574:

Swagger.1459:

Ashamir.9574:

Swagger.1459:

Ashamir.9574:

Swagger.1459:

Ashamir.9574:

Swagger.1459:

I agree that some crit/burst numbers need to be looked at, but c’mon peeps… put on some gear that has vitality in it…

There is the staple pvt gear for reasons, because it’s those numbers that matter most in zerg/mass settings…

Some of you are jumping into mass combat with the lowest possible health and complaining…

Get some pvt gear and get precision food/utility buffs and put all precision/fury/crit stuff inside your gears…

Come again?

This IS an elementalist in pvt armor.

If you know nothing about a class please keep your mouth shut.

Standing in wvw with ALL ascended celestial armor/trinkets/weapon, without food buffs, I have 19,315 HP

Standing in wvw with a ascended celestial weapon and full set of ascended celestial armor WITHOUT backpiece or rings or accessories or amulet and in staring at 16,018 HP. No food buffs either.

… Yeah…

Get better gear and build for mass combat…

And for the record, I have one of each profession now, minus engineer. Thanks.

I hold to my statement. What you said was clearly wrong, because if you play the class at least somewhat regularely you know that a full zerk ele has 11k+ hp.

Please don’t start making excuses now. You weren’t talking about cele, you were talking about people being in WVw without any vitality/toughness. If you’d known the base hp of an ele you wouldn’t have said that. Just check what you’re saying next time, that’s all I want.

Btw I have every class as well. But having it (even with full exotic/ascended equipment and a propper build) does not mean that you know the class.

I have facts on my side, you can’t backtrack.

Get better gear period. That’s the point.

One last time, because I’m in a good mood today.

You said: ele with 15.7k hp has no thoughness/vitality whatever. They should get pvt gear.

I said: You’re wrong. 15.7k hp on ele is pvt gear.

That was all the dialgoue until you started with celestial to distract from the fact that you didn’t know the base hp of an ele. I didn say anything about what gear to wear in WvW, I just told you that you were wrong. I don’t care what you play, just know your facts or keep your mouth shut.

Men…

Your arguments are transparent and full of holes.

Get better gear. That’s the point and premise.

You have subpar gear on and are complaining that you got crit so hard. Fix your build issues.

Please learn to remember and differentitate between account names if you are posting in a forum. Srsly.

That makes zero sense.

Then don’t go quoting things and interjecting if you are not willing to have a civil discussion. That’s your fault, no one else’s.

Aomine.5012:

See how this guy mentioned nothing about OP Tempest perma sustain + damage reduction + immune condition + perma reflect? (Not to mention to the whole group)

That guy is an Ele main. Don’t trust him lol..
He cries about 2 WEAK PVP weapons because those 2 actually hurt Tempest.
How’s 2 weak PVP weapons ruining the game more than Tempest, Chrono and Mallyx Rev?

The funny ironic thing is Tempest is being demolished in PvP and can only stand a chance if have another supporter, like chronobunker, to help a support tempest. If you watched the ESL yesterday would see all tempest died at some point and some even repeatedly.

We will only see the Tempest at its full capacity when condi Rev gets nerf. Until then tempest will be a bad sub in for shoutbow war with low hp which just melts away in a group fight.

Gibimo.2193:

Levetty.1279:

Nausicca.6038:

Levetty.1279:

Nausicca.6038:

Levetty.1279:

You aren’t going to make the game worse for your paying customers just to appease a minority of players, who don’t want to learn how to play the game, when you can easily split the changes right?

Huhuhu, good try

Why should this skill be nerfed in PvE?

Who cares? You can afk111111spam and still win in pve. Actualy, chronobunkers and mallyx rev are making ESL pro league beyond boring to watch. They need to do something.

The old ‘who cares spam 1 in pve’ argument, yeah no. Not only is it not true it doesn’t matter. The majority of people who play this game play pve and we play pve to have fun, we are fed up of our classes being made less fun due to the whines of people who care about cringe inducing things like esports.

Quite frankly I honestly think the people who do run around events spamming 1 have a better grasp of the mechanics of the game then the PvPers. At least they are actually playing the game, pvpers just sit on the forums whining that ‘insert which ever class was used in the last tournament here’ is too OP for them to learn how to beat while waiting for a new build to go up on metabattle so they can declare that OP.

Godmoney.2048:

Levetty.1279:

Nausicca.6038:

Levetty.1279:

You aren’t going to make the game worse for your paying customers just to appease a minority of players, who don’t want to learn how to play the game, when you can easily split the changes right?

Huhuhu, good try

Why should this skill be nerfed in PvE?

I’m sure you’re not refering to the Chrono bunker’s shield 4 skill are you? Only somebody lacking common sense and reasoning would be using that in PVE.

I look forward to personally kicking the first chronomancer I see using shield in pve just like I would do if they’re using scepter.

But of course you weren’t referencing the shield’s 4 skill because that would be insane for somebody to actually be worried about pve balance in relationship to that particular skill which is entirely useless for pve.

This guy doesn’t take a chronotank into raids.
This guy doesn’t take alacrity support Chronos into raids.
This guy doesn’t run around the enemy aoe spam in HoT maps.

Yeah I don’t think anybody wants to group with you in PvE anyway.

LOL this mesmer kitten is really mad XD

LOL this pvp player has no arguments.

At first I was a little disappointed about the Shield changes. Since it’ll now have a lower duration than off-hand sword but the positive is that the Phantasm will spawn quicker. I have to admit I liked using it to run and tank through PvE mobs because of the longer cast time, but I think I actually prefer the change for actual combat. It is true that the shield’s block is actually longer than off-hand sword if you factor in “Deja Vu”, so I’m cool with this.

I do sympathize with those that liked the longer block, it was nice to have for survivability in PvE.

The shield isn’t really the issue in PvP though is it? Personally Well of Precognition should be changed from Blur to Distortion so it can’t contest Capture Points or just leave it but change the Blur effect as a whole so it can’t contest Capture Points. That way it will have a minimal change to PvE.

I do like it when these balance patches happen on a smaller scale. Instead of the plan to do it every quarter or so, they should be done every week or fortnight when a problem really needs to be addressed. Nothing worse when you are handed down with a list of changes to one profession that comes out of the blue. You need time to adapt playstyles and equipment in PvE and WvW whenever a change happens.

Swagger.1459:

I’ll log on soon to confirm my ele vitality… Chat with you soon

Please do, and also comment on the same thing happening to my Engi in full Dire gear.

Swagger.1459:

Ashamir.9574:

Swagger.1459:

I agree that some crit/burst numbers need to be looked at, but c’mon peeps… put on some gear that has vitality in it…

There is the staple pvt gear for reasons, because it’s those numbers that matter most in zerg/mass settings…

Some of you are jumping into mass combat with the lowest possible health and complaining…

Get some pvt gear and get precision food/utility buffs and put all precision/fury/crit stuff inside your gears…

Come again?

This IS an elementalist in pvt armor.

If you know nothing about a class please keep your mouth shut.

Standing in wvw with ALL ascended celestial armor/trinkets/weapon, without food buffs, I have 19,315 HP

Standing in wvw with a ascended celestial weapon and full set of ascended celestial armor WITHOUT backpiece or rings or accessories or amulet and in staring at 16,018 HP. No food buffs either.

… Yeah…

Get better gear and build for mass combat…

And for the record, I have one of each profession now, minus engineer. Thanks.

The fact that you are blind to the problem is almost comical. I run with ~24K health (might actually be 22 in my current build). If there are >1 Rev I am dead without even being able to react.

At least in the past if I got jumped by a gank group I could have a chance at counter play. Not anymore.

Swagger.1459:

Then don’t go quoting things and interjecting if you are not willing to have a civil discussion. That’s your fault, no one else’s.

Hi pot, this is kettle.

There you go taking posts out of context. You obviously do not understand what I’m talking about. Reread and try to be more civil with responses.

I made statements in my op using “in general terms”.

I also showed what HP are like on my elementalist.

Discuss this in a civil way and put things into better context.

All this arguing and vitriol between PvE and PvP is the same record Anet played during GW1. It took them years and the departure of most of the original PvP community before they listed then.

I don’t understand why they are once again trying an already failed idea and bashing their heads against it. Eventually they will concede to the obvious, but once again it is just far too late.

WolfsFang.2301:

Astra Lux.2846:

Please split PvP and PvE skills.

Dont worry they will. Though it will come within a few months of GW3 being released just like how they did it in GW1. Anet has a tendency to release anything that’s important way to late. Anet needs to open up a whole new studio just to fix bugs seeing as how slow they are.

I’ve been asking for skill splits on these forums for 3 years. Don’t hold your breath.

Swagger.1459:

There you go taking posts out of context. You obviously do not understand what I’m talking about. Reread and try to be more civil with responses.

I made statements in my op using “in general terms”.

I also showed what HP are like on my elementalist.

Discuss this in a civil way and put things into better context.

I understand perfectly. I’m being as civil as you.

Lady Elyssa.2469:

It is sad to see Mesmer being penalised so harshly on Echo of Memory, especially considering this is a skill from an Elite Specialisation and that their other block skills, namely:

Illusionary Counter is 2secs
Illusionary Reposte is 2.25 seconds.

Engineer
Static Shield 1.25s
Shock Shield 2s

Guardian
Shelter – 2s

Revenant
Warding Rift 2s
Duelist’s Preparation 2s
Crystal Hibernation 3s

Warrior
Shield Stance 3s

You get to use Echo of Memory twice, so it’s a total of 3s split into two halves that you can control, which in some ways is more effectively useful than a pure 3s block would be. Nevermind all the other utility/phantasm that comes with the block in comparison to the skills you highlight.

And in fact they ONLY mention Echo of Memory being reduced, so if Deja Vu has not been changed as well the second block will remain 2.25s for a 3.75s total.

Not being to into PVP i’m kinda lost in the whole conversation but I would like to ask something that has bothered me since I first started playing mmo’s (vanilla WoW open beta)

why do people QQ over changes that they haven’t experienced live yet?

Achrya.7892:

Ghanto.9784:

LoL to all you guys always complaining about your own main’s being overpowered and needing a nerf. Like we don’t know you’re pretending they’re your main’s so that it doesn’t look like you’re just whining about being beat down all the time on the REAL main’s you play.

Just because we main a character it doesnt mean we need to be blind about it. A good player sees the weak and the strong sides of his own character as well, not just complaining about the others!

So…maybe three out of ten such persons is being honest?

Swagger.1459:

Your arguments are transparent and full of holes. Get better gear.

I’m sorry but he does have a point. What you said initially was not true. 15k+ life on an ele is not an ele that has no investment in his vit. THAT is a fact.

Also, ‘get better gear’ is nonsensical. Celestial or pvt is not ‘better’. It’s different. ‘Better’ depend on context. PVT or Celestial for a damage oriented build is surely not ‘better’. Specially if you are a backline. What use is a backline tank anyway?

tfcgeneralkmk.9508:

Not being to into PVP i’m kinda lost in the whole conversation but I would like to ask something that has bothered me since I first started playing mmo’s (vanilla WoW open beta)

why do people QQ over changes that they haven’t experienced live yet?

Because you don’t always need to play with a certain change to know how it’s going to affect your play or the build.

I originally spoke in general terms… I’m kinda over negotiation. I’m not going over discuss this topic needlessly.

Iason Evan.3806:

WolfsFang.2301:

Astra Lux.2846:

Please split PvP and PvE skills.

Dont worry they will. Though it will come within a few months of GW3 being released just like how they did it in GW1. Anet has a tendency to release anything that’s important way to late. Anet needs to open up a whole new studio just to fix bugs seeing as how slow they are.

I’ve been asking for skill splits on these forums for 3 years. Don’t hold your breath.

Exactly, don’t hold your breath. I know it might sound like I’m taking a dig at AN, but in fact it’s just a simple statement of truth that they obviously have too much trouble balancing skills as they are. If they were to split them, you’d being waiting years instead of just months for some of the broken ones to get fixed. (Hmm, well, there probably are a few existing ones we’ve been waiting years to get fixed.) Which is really why, I guess, so many people are concerned about balancing possibly being done primarily around pvp (not wvw) mechanics: because if they don’t split skills, it seems unlikely that they’ll be able to balance skills in such a way that they’re ideal for for ALL game modes. I don’t envy them, truth be told, it’s a difficult job and they’ll never be able to please everyone.

Swagger.1459:

I originally spoke in general terms… I’m kinda over negotiation. I’m not going over discuss this topic needlessly.

I wouldn’t either if I was clearly wrong.

tfcgeneralkmk.9508:

Not being to into PVP i’m kinda lost in the whole conversation but I would like to ask something that has bothered me since I first started playing mmo’s (vanilla WoW open beta)

why do people QQ over changes that they haven’t experienced live yet?

The qq isn’t over the changes. It’s over the lack of changes.

And lack of changes are because of active spvp leagues… That’s how it goes.

Swagger.1459:

Xillllix.3485:

Achrya.7892:

Pls do me a favor and send a screenshot of that 17-20k dmg, okay? Seems a bit exaggerated.

Here you go:
(see image below)

I agree that some crit/burst numbers need to be looked at, but c’mon peeps… put on some gear that has vitality in it…

An ele base hp is 11,645, at 15745 I brought my HP up to the base HP of almost a medium HP level (15,922). The question is why should we have to waste so much of our points just to one hit of a class that has more base HP and hit like a truck at 1200 range?

Even if you have 3000 armor we’ve seen 14k CoR hits.
No skill should do that much damage, that’s what we are discussing here, “balance”. not “how to survive unbalanced skills”.

Aomine.5012:

See how this guy mentioned nothing about OP Tempest perma sustain + damage reduction + immune condition + perma reflect? (Not to mention to the whole group)

That guy is an Ele main. Don’t trust him lol..
He cries about 2 WEAK PVP weapons because those 2 actually hurt Tempest.
How’s 2 weak PVP weapons ruining the game more than Tempest, Chrono and Mallyx Rev?

I play a lot of Reaper too. Actually I agree that Bunker tempest is really annoying to fight, but they don’t do good damage at all. Any bunker guardian or warrior who have even more blocks are just as annoying.

Eles right now are stuck into playing bunker because anything else they get 1-shot. The days of marauder d/d fresh air, s/d fresh air, zerk staff, condi d/d are all gone. Anet made all these builds nonviable because of the the might nerf to the fire line and the bolt to the heart nerf to the air line.

Reaper on the other hand has variety, you can play it celestial, viper, marauder, berserker. Everything works on that elite spec, it’s not cornered into bunker kitten.

I’m fully aware of all things. All my points still stand. Reevaluate your gear too in addition to talking about crit numbers.

There are lots of factors.

Xillllix.3485:

Gaile Gray.6029:

A message from the Balance Team:

As mentioned in our “Road Ahead for 2015” blog, our strategy for adjusting the meta-game in Guild Wars 2 after the release of Heart of Thorns focuses on releasing balance updates on a set cycle – each and every quarter.

Your strategy isn’t good.

First of all you need to fix broken skills that do 17-20k damage like Coalescence of Ruin or Gun Flame on the week we find out the issues, not 3 months later, because these press 1 button to win skills are ruining the game for everyone in the competitive modes.

Secondly, we don’t want “meta changes” where you are just stuck into playing the same build for 3 months. We want balanced skills so that we can have Build variety as it was promised with the new trait system. The players should be dictating the meta by creative thinking, Anet shouldn’t be dictating it for them and cornering them into meta-builds that they have no choice to run, as it currently is.

Swagger.1459:

I’m fully aware of all things.

Talk about delusions of grandeur.

Gaile Gray.6029:

An Update from our Balance Team:

As developers, we try to push certain aspects of gameplay that align with our vision for the game, but unfortunately things don’t always pan out the way that we hoped they would. A current example of this is the bunker meta that has formed in PvP over the past two weeks across all tiers of play, from Amber Division all the way up to our Pro Leagues. We’ll be honest: we’re not happy with the current meta, and it certainly doesn’t do a great job of showcasing the things that make Guild Wars 2 great, namely our action-based combat.

While our post-HoT balance strategy is to deliver a major balance update every quarter, we do want to emphasize that if glaring issues arise during seasons we won’t hesitate to address them. To this point, on Monday we announced that we’d be making a few mid-season balance changes. After lengthy internal conversation driven both by discussion on our own forums and on other platforms, we have decided to implement one more additional balance change with this week’s update.

Mesmer:

• Well of Precognition: This ability now applies distortion instead of blur and prevents capture-point contribution. Casting time has been increased from 0.25 seconds to 0.75 seconds, and aftercast delay has been reduced from 0.5 seconds to 0 seconds.

A fair number of gameplay implications can arise from such a seemingly small change, so we want to be very clear with all of you regarding our intentions. First and foremost, we understand that this change may have impact on other areas of the game, and that is precisely why we’re viewing today’s change as a short-term solution. We’ll be revisiting all skills in our end-of-January balance update, and we’ll be sharing the specifics of the planned changes with you in early January. In the interim, because this skill will be classified as "no-cap”—meaning that it does not contribute to capture point progress—we’d suggest that you keep an eye out for mesmers using this skill in PvP matches, as they could potentially cause you to decap a point in a way similar to the stealth function. The change to this skill will now also prevent you from interacting with certain channels objectives, such as supply piles in Stronghold or the Meditation buffs in Temple of the Silent Storm.

This change will be included our in hotfix later today.

O.M.G.
Good job, balance team…
Finally, first step in the right direction.
Gotta endure the rest until january, i guess… x.x i think i’ll take a break from pvp until that patch. I feel that i’m getting too salty with this meta… As a wise OP frog once said: “better hold you breath!”

Huzzah.

Good.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Mesmer:

• Well of Precognition: This ability now applies distortion instead of blur and prevents capture-point contribution. Casting time has been increased from 0.25 seconds to 0.75 seconds, and aftercast delay has been reduced from 0.5 seconds to 0 seconds.

Now this is a good change and the changes in totality now are probably sufficient for a hotfix.

HOT FIX HYPE!!!

I just hope this change doesn’t affect raids. Please make “only PvP” changes before it’s too late. It will be frustrating if you make raids even harder because of something that’s not even related to PvE.

Thank you for that.

Elrey.5472:

I just hope this change doesn’t affect raids. Please make “only PvP” changes before it’s too late. It will be frustrating if you make raids even harder because of something that’s not even related to PvE.

Distortion vs blur has no effect on pve