Guild Wars 2

I’m very confused by the changes. I read the announcements, but it only makes partial sense.

Some things I noted (all on level 80 characters) that I hope are misunderstandings on my part. Please help me understand what really happened:

It seems like we now get to use 3 of the trait-line equivalents now, all fully-charged. That’s a plus, because we couldn’t make three trait lines full to trait points before.

But on the downside, in order to use either of the others, do we now have to spend hero points? It appears to fully-train one of the two missing trait lines (necro), I have to spend 308 total points. But, I’ve only got 386 total, so is there no way to train all of the remaining traits?

And, are the same hero points used to buy the utility (etc.) skills I used to have? That makes it even worse.

Can we un-train (at level 80), to recover points and use a different way?

The first character I looked at had thousands of skill points. But, the total he added to the shard pool was only 942.

All my characters in Lion’s Arch were idle at the end of one of the jumping puzzles (to save time tomorrow). But, now they’re all in some central place. Was this expected?

Are there only one set of crafting tables now?

One of the jumping puzzles was changed, so if that’s the one, they were moved because the game landscape was altered (would’ve sucked if they wound up being stuck underground or in the wall of a building)

You should have enough hero points to get everything to 100% at level 80.

Skill points became spirit shards. Tomes of knowledge and skill point books and writs of experience and logging into every other character, will add to this pool. They’re spent at the mystic forge.

telliani.5902:

One of the jumping puzzles was changed, so if that’s the one, they were moved because the game landscape was altered (would’ve sucked if they wound up being stuck underground or in the wall of a building)

You should have enough hero points to get everything to 100% at level 80.

Skill points became spirit shards. Tomes of knowledge and skill point books and writs of experience and logging into every other character, will add to this pool. They’re spent at the mystic forge.

Everyone in Lion’s Arch was moved. My characters in Lion’s Arch were parked near Fort Mariner not on a jumping puzzle.

Due to the extensive changes the entire Lion’s Arch got, it was a lot easier to move everyone in Lion’s Arch to the same location than it was to try to input code that would only move affected characters.

telliani.5902:

One of the jumping puzzles was changed, so if that’s the one, they were moved because the game landscape was altered (would’ve sucked if they wound up being stuck underground or in the wall of a building)

I could see that, but I was at the troll one with some characters and the sharkmaw one with others.

telliani.5902:

You should have enough hero points to get everything to 100% at level 80.

Nope. Not even close. Off by several hundred, as you can see from the numbers I posted. (386 total available, 308 to get ONE trait re-trained. doesn’t leave many.)

Unless I’m misunderstanding how it works (1st item 2 pts, 2nd item 5 points, etc. through the last, 60 points: adds up to 308). However, if when you choose say the 3rd item around the circle, does it give you all 3 up to that point? If so, then it would be a lot less.

I don’t want to click to find out, because there doesn’t seem to be a way to undo it.

Besides, if we could get all at level 80, why didn’t they just give us all of them?

telliani.5902:

Skill points became spirit shards. Tomes of knowledge and skill point books and writs of experience and logging into every other character, will add to this pool. They’re spent at the mystic forge.

I know that. My question is why I got so few of them. I should have close to 10,000, but after logging in as all my characters, I only have ~2500.

Seera.5916:

Everyone in Lion’s Arch was moved. My characters in Lion’s Arch were parked near Fort Mariner not on a jumping puzzle.

Due to the extensive changes the entire Lion’s Arch got, it was a lot easier to move everyone in Lion’s Arch to the same location than it was to try to input code that would only move affected characters.

That makes sense. Thanks!

If you are level 80, you can unlock every skill and trait. As stated by the devs and also Ive tested it in game with a char with very only 6 skill points capped. I still had plenty to spare.

Just click on everything and it will be fine

It’s 60 total for all of them (easy way to check buy one and the next one will be the same price not more). Don’t worry you should have them all unlocked and any excess will be used by new skills and traits with elite specializations. Your skill points turned into Spirit Shards and you are not losing them.

Also it’s not like you can do anything else with hero points but unlock skills and traits. You also get more by doing skill challenges but won’t need to do them to get everything unlocked.

The skill points you had before the patch came from three sources:

Leveling up (either by playing or via tomes)
Skill Challenges
Skill Point Scrolls.

Hero Points are earned in two ways:

Hero Challenges (the old Skill Challenges)
Leveling up from 1 to 80.

Skill Points that had been earned by skill point scrolls or “leveling up” past level 80 were converted to Spirit Shards. About 400 or so of his skill points were from leveling up to 80 and skill challenges.

Leveling Up to level 80 and completing 65 hero challenges is enough to let you unlock everything we currently have access to.

5 points for the second item does not mean 5 additional points, that includes the 2 points you need to get the first item.

Seera.5916:

The skill points you had before the patch came from three sources:

Leveling up (either by playing or via tomes)
Skill Challenges
Skill Point Scrolls.

Hero Points are earned in two ways:

Hero Challenges (the old Skill Challenges)
Leveling up from 1 to 80.

Skill Points that had been earned by skill point scrolls or “leveling up” past level 80 were converted to Spirit Shards. About 400 or so of his skill points were from leveling up to 80 and skill challenges.

Leveling Up to level 80 and completing 65 hero challenges is enough to let you unlock everything we currently have access to.

Nope, they changed it. Level 80 is now enough to unlock all core skills/traits.

Ranatoa.4869:

Seera.5916:

The skill points you had before the patch came from three sources:

Leveling up (either by playing or via tomes)
Skill Challenges
Skill Point Scrolls.

Hero Points are earned in two ways:

Hero Challenges (the old Skill Challenges)
Leveling up from 1 to 80.

Skill Points that had been earned by skill point scrolls or “leveling up” past level 80 were converted to Spirit Shards. About 400 or so of his skill points were from leveling up to 80 and skill challenges.

Leveling Up to level 80 and completing 65 hero challenges is enough to let you unlock everything we currently have access to.

Nope, they changed it. Level 80 is now enough to unlock all core skills/traits.

Nice, didn’t catch that change.

Seera.5916:

Ranatoa.4869:

Seera.5916:

The skill points you had before the patch came from three sources:

Leveling up (either by playing or via tomes)
Skill Challenges
Skill Point Scrolls.

Hero Points are earned in two ways:

Hero Challenges (the old Skill Challenges)
Leveling up from 1 to 80.

Skill Points that had been earned by skill point scrolls or “leveling up” past level 80 were converted to Spirit Shards. About 400 or so of his skill points were from leveling up to 80 and skill challenges.

Leveling Up to level 80 and completing 65 hero challenges is enough to let you unlock everything we currently have access to.

Nope, they changed it. Level 80 is now enough to unlock all core skills/traits.

Nice, didn’t catch that change.

Yep I am guessing we have the WvW community to thank for that.

KngGilgamesh.3481:

It’s 60 total for all of them (easy way to check buy one and the next one will be the same price not more). Don’t worry you should have them all unlocked and any excess will be used by new skills and traits with elite specializations. Your skill points turned into Spirit Shards and you are not losing them.

Also it’s not like you can do anything else with hero points but unlock skills and traits. You also get more by doing skill challenges but won’t need to do them to get everything unlocked.

OK, thanks (and to Seera and Ranatoa). Makes more sense now.

Still seems like I came up way short on shards. But, hacking a hundred off each character as hero points explains some of it. I wish they had included a way to see the actual calculations. My memory isn’t what it used to be, so I could be off.

Really screwed one of my mules, though. I use one level 20 character exclusively for storage and Mystic Forge stuff (like, buying philosopher stones). So, he had all the scrolls and a stockpile of skill points earned (from previously used scrolls; he never leaves LA). But, now most of them have been converted to hero points, so I can’t buy the Miyani stuff as I planned.

Wouldn’t the scrolls have been converted to spirit shards (the new Mystic Forge currency) and not hero points on your level 20?

Yeah, they were. What I meant was that I had spent some scrolls on him, stockpiling skill points so I could buy stones and whatever whenever I needed them. He was more like a skill point bank.

Oh I see, but now those extra skill points are now used to buy trait points Ouch, that’s sucky.

Yeah, I probably should have burned them all before the changes came. Didn’t think about it.

Any skill points that came from skill point scrolls got converted to Spirit Shards.

NONE got converted to Hero Points.

Hero Points ONLY come from leveling up from 1 to 80 and from Hero Challenges. Only.

Oh well.. totally confused with these changes around traits and skills and attributes. Feeling totally lost so far. Is this supposed to be easier to understand?

Ah I stand corrected – so the scrolls would have been used to give you account based Spirit Shards (the new Mystic Forge currency for buying from Miyani), so your level 20 wouldn’t have eaten the scrolls

Yeah it’s quite a bit to take in at first, but I find it a nicer, less grindy system than the previous.

Seera.5916:

Any skill points that came from skill point scrolls got converted to Spirit Shards.

NONE got converted to Hero Points.

Hero Points ONLY come from leveling up from 1 to 80 and from Hero Challenges. Only.

That might be the way it’s supposed to be, but that’s not the way it is.

Echo.3175:

Ah I stand corrected – so the scrolls would have been used to give you account based Spirit Shards (the new Mystic Forge currency for buying from Miyani), so your level 20 wouldn’t have eaten the scrolls

Yeah it’s quite a bit to take in at first, but I find it a nicer, less grindy system than the previous.

I should have ready your post before replying to Seera.

You could be right. That would mean all the HPs she got were from leveling to 20 (by the pink scroll). Could be.