Guild Wars 2

Across all characters, I have played for 1374 hours and 50 minutes over the past 1021 days. I paid $60 for the base game.

4 cents an hour. That how much of my money Anet has taken while I played their game.

You might think that is excessive, I some of you reading this have played more. Much, much more. After you have judged me, for a moment, lets say I only played for 1 hour on friday and saturday. Thats 21 cents per hour.

There is NOTHING I can do with 4 cents. I would need 50 times that just to enjoy a Soda. For the price of a soda, I: “Veteran Player” – could have enjoyed 20 hours of Guild Wars 2.

How my 4 cents an hour pays for this opportunity to escape each day to a persistant living online world is beyond the scope of my imagination, its just one of those things I am going to have to take for granted because trying to wrap my head around it hurts worse then trying to wrap my head around the idea that I, “Veteran Player” am somehow entitled to more then a new player, because 3 years ago I shelled out $50. I lose that much money a year in my couch. I find that much money a year on the ground. Last week I found a quarter stuck to the bottom of my shoe. Thats like 6 and a half hours of GW2 paid for.

Anet owes me NOTHING. in fact, laid out like this… yea, I pretty much owe Anet. if I have to pay $50 today to uninstall GW2 that would bring the cost of my entertainment up to 11 cents an hour. We can go back and do more Soda math, or you can get the point. In case you didnt:

If HoT adds absolutely nothing to the game, I will have gotten my money’s worth. So have you, “Veteran Player”.

If I never played GW2 again, indeed I got my $ worth.

This has nothing to do with the opinion that the xpac is ridiculously overpriced.

I prebought the game, played in the betas, played almost every day, bought gems with real money every month cuz I figured they were worth it, and I still think this expansion is overpriced for what we are getting.

Buy McDonalds. Dollar soda, any size.

More seriously, this does seem one of a few problems people have with the expansion. Those that are mostly ticked off at the price will probably be fine once the expansion inevitably gets a kitteneaper.

The core game had enough content to entertain you for thousands of hours. What we know of HoT is it not even close to having that amount of content (not even 30%) yet we are expected to pay 83% of the price of the original game.

Well, you have to be careful when accusing people of entitlement.

There IS a lot of sentiment that $50 for an expansion is simply too much money. That’s not entitlement, that’s simply not seeing the value in what they’re being asked to pony up for. You might not agree, but it’s not entitlement.

Entitlement is effectively, “I deserve [x] because I did [y].” Entitlement is fans demanding a free character slot because that’s how it was done in the past. Entitlement is demanding 800 or 1600 gems because they’re veteran players and “deserve” it. The latter complaints can (and should) be dismissed without merit.

By your logic everyone should be happy about monthly fee, yet it’s a dying business model.

and btw you don’t value an entertainment on duration, you value an entertainment on quality

lighter.2708:

By your logic everyone should be happy about monthly fee, yet it’s a dying business model.

and btw you don’t value an entertainment on duration, you value an entertainment on quanlity

I dunno, personally if I’ve dropped 1500 hours on something over the course of three years, I better kitten well think it’s quality. I’m not sure why I’d invest that much of my time into something I think sucks.

Maybe there’s a lot of people who hate themselves?

I remember back in GW when new players came into the game six, seven and eight years after the game was released. I don’t think I witnessed ‘veterans’ behaving in such a manner when sweets, alcohol, and other goodies were made a lot easier to get in an effort to help newer players achieve their titles. Indeed, I remember the days there were no tiles and when chests required no key…. ah the good old days. I know, different issue, different context. Just saying entitlement is a dangerous state of mind.

Agreed many are unhappy with the price. Many would like an additional slot for a new character. Many would like to have purchased the expansion as it is, an expansion, not the base. Maybe if there could be a rational non- ranting, non -flaming post on the issue it would be taken seriously rather than the ‘kitten you, kitten the game, I’m never playing again’ stuff that has been flying around.

As for duration or quality, who says you have to pick? I want it all lol

chemiclord.3978:

Entitlement is effectively, “I deserve [x] because I did [y].” Entitlement is fans demanding a free character slot because that’s how it was done in the past. Entitlement is demanding 800 or 1600 gems because they’re veteran players and “deserve” it. The latter complaints can (and should) be dismissed without merit.

I think that’s what he was driving at, but my take on what was written might be a bit different as I agree completely. There is certainly discussion to be had on if the content of this expansion is worth $50.00 , one I hope Anet listens and responds to.

Entitlement is not a negative thing. American media has really ruined the word.

Also, my mate bought the game but has played less than 3 minutes. Does that mean he is paying Anet $1000 an hour?

chemiclord.3978:

lighter.2708:

By your logic everyone should be happy about monthly fee, yet it’s a dying business model.

and btw you don’t value an entertainment on duration, you value an entertainment on quanlity

I dunno, personally if I’ve dropped 1500 hours on something over the course of three years, I better kitten well think it’s quality. I’m not sure why I’d invest that much of my time into something I think sucks.

Maybe there’s a lot of people who hate themselves?

You are still measuring with duration. hundred of hours of video gaming can not be equal to go on a romantic vacation with your beloved one for one week in a beautiful foreign country, it’s simple as that, if you are just satisfied with the duration then you have no idea how to value your money worth.

I could also buy some good games, which i already know they are good on steam sales and still have hundred hours of gaming experience then some thing i’m not even sure if it’s worthy.

and yea, just because you liked a game, doesnt mean the next game will be good.

dietzero.3514:

Entitlement is not a negative thing. American media has really ruined the word.

Much like anything, entitlement can be positive OR negative. It really depends a great deal on what you feel “entitled” to.

For example, feeling “entitled” to speak freely or have a fair trial. Those are examples of positive entitlement, the comfort of knowing certain things are afforded to you is a bedrock of being a civilized society, and fighting for those rights is not only reasonable, but expected.

Entitlement turns negative real quick once it starts entering the realm of “first world problems.” Once you start demanding certain things and getting into a frothing rage over things that in the broad sweep of things are trivial, then you just start looking like a kittenbag.

lighter.2708:

You are still measuring with duration. hundred of hours of video gaming can not be equal to go on a romantic vacation with your beloved one for one week in a beautiful foreign country, it’s simple as that, if you are just satisfied with the duration then you have no idea how to value your money worth.

I could also buy some good games, which i already know they are good on steam sales and still have hundred hours of gaming experience then some thing i’m not even sure if it’s worthy.

and yea, just because you liked a game, doesnt mean the next game will be good.

Well, of course I’m measuring it by duration. There kinda comes a point where if I’ve spent THAT much time with something, that I obviously like it and feel it’s of a quality I am comfortable with and feel I’m getting my money’s worth. If I didn’t… why would I still be doing it over such a long duration?

Why yes, I am entitled to the $50 I already spent, thank you for asking.
I hope you realize “entitled” isn’t an insult. It’s either a fact or it isn’t.
and in this case, it is.
People are entitled to the money they earn, and they are entitled to complete information regarding what they are being sold. They are also entitled to their opinions.

chemiclord.3978:

Well, of course I’m measuring it by duration. There kinda comes a point where if I’ve spent THAT much time with something, that I obviously like it and feel it’s of a quality I am comfortable with and feel I’m getting my money’s worth. If I didn’t… why would I still be doing it over such a long duration?

I don’t think anyone’s arguing that the time spent in GW2 wasn’t worth the $50 we spent on it. On the contrary. The problem is, all of that has been devalued to $0.

Most people with busy RL won’t be so hardcore thus i doubt half of the playerbase get half of ur playtime. That said having play for 3 years and only invest for around 200 hours max i’d say i’ve supported at least 50usd in gem to the dev. What have you been doing? Trying to squeeze every penny out of your purchase?

What i’m saying here is that there’s a lot of type of player playing this game and ur value calculation math on this subject is ridiculously flawed. So when customer/player feel they have a problem with the deal, yes they’re entitle to complain. They’re fighting for a better deal, while what i don’t understand is what are you fighting for? A worse deal? And is trying to block effort of people trying to get u a better deal? How gullible is the average consumer is nowadays?

And if the whole forum and reddit is in kittenstorm over this matter and you still don’t understand why people and long time supporter are genuinely upset then u need a reality check before even labeling people. One thing the world need more is people who can think and evaluate and not blind faith zealot running around defending stuff in the name of their belief.

With your ability to hardcore grind i’d suggest you try out those f2p title as i’m sure you’ll be amaze by how much value you can get out of those without even spending a single penny.

While my post may be crude and hard but at least i did not started a topic belittling all those affected by this marketing announcement. How often do you see thread going 3k post in 24 hours and gw2 redit getting 2.5k upvote in a day? If thats not an issue or indicator that something is wrong then i don’t know what is. And you should know that your topic is an insult a kitten lot of people.

entitled
?n?t??t(?)ld/
adjective
believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
“kids who feel so entitled and think the world will revolve around them”

That is from Google.

I’m with the OP on this. Anet owe me nothing and I’m also happy to spend $50 on this expansion.

They have given me years of entertainment for next to no cost and I feel no issues with supporting them now.

disappointed with the community tbh.

I’m happy to spend $50… when the game actually comes out and I deem it worth $50.

Otherwise, no sale. One thing I won’t do is pre-purchase, but that’s just a general philosophy than any personal rage towards Arena.net.

anx.7549:

entitled
?n?t??t(?)ld/
adjective
believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
“kids who feel so entitled and think the world will revolve around them”

That is from Google.

en·ti·tle·ment
in?t?dlm?nt,en?t?dlm?nt/
noun
noun: entitlement; plural noun: entitlements

the fact of having a right to something.
“full entitlement to fees and maintenance should be offered”
synonyms: right, prerogative, claim; More

Also from Google. And as I said above, people are objectively entitled to what they paid for. It’s not an insult.

You should not be disappointed with the community. This is exactly the reaction that this community would give to anything. (Based on previous reactions and many of the “veterans” being entitled like there’s no tomorrow)

Thobek.1730:

I’m with the OP on this. Anet owe me nothing and I’m also happy to spend $50 on this expansion.

They have given me years of entertainment for next to no cost and I feel no issues with supporting them now.

disappointed with the community tbh.

and we are disappointed that your are disappointed with us trying to get everyone a better deal. Wouldn’t paying 35$ or 40$ be a good thing?

chemiclord.3978:

lighter.2708:

You are still measuring with duration. hundred of hours of video gaming can not be equal to go on a romantic vacation with your beloved one for one week in a beautiful foreign country, it’s simple as that, if you are just satisfied with the duration then you have no idea how to value your money worth.

I could also buy some good games, which i already know they are good on steam sales and still have hundred hours of gaming experience then some thing i’m not even sure if it’s worthy.

and yea, just because you liked a game, doesnt mean the next game will be good.

Well, of course I’m measuring it by duration. There kinda comes a point where if I’ve spent THAT much time with something, that I obviously like it and feel it’s of a quality I am comfortable with and feel I’m getting my money’s worth. If I didn’t… why would I still be doing it over such a long duration?

Since when we are arguing about the core game?

Blackworm I’m not saying it is an insult, I just copied and pasted.

Blackworm.2167:

I don’t think anyone’s arguing that the time spent in GW2 wasn’t worth the $50 we spent on it. On the contrary. The problem is, all of that has been devalued to $0.

How do you figure?

Because they’re throwing a bone to lure in new players who would balk at paying two box prices? I honestly don’t care one bit about the “deal” someone else gets. I don’t think it’s “unfair” or “screwing me.” I’m worried about me, and me alone.

Was GW2 worth the $50 I paid for it? Absolutely.

Will HoT be worth $50? I have no effin’ clue, and I’m not giving them one dime until I know for sure.

OP’s title is about entitlement yet arguement is about value for the money. In short, he’s just grasping for any argument to justify Anet’s $50.

A side from the “seems like you are paying again” strategy fail.
it’s still pretty fail that you can’t get a core game key just because you already own it while others can.
like seriously, why they can get a core game key for free for purchasing the exp and we can’t?..what makes us so different, it’s like we are limited and inferior for buying the game early or something, what? i don’t understand the strategy here

Darn it… you people would defend alien colonial marines, brink, and sim city.

chemiclord.3978:

Blackworm.2167:

I don’t think anyone’s arguing that the time spent in GW2 wasn’t worth the $50 we spent on it. On the contrary. The problem is, all of that has been devalued to $0.

How do you figure?

Because they’re throwing a bone to lure in new players who would balk at paying two box prices? I honestly don’t care one bit about the “deal” someone else gets. I don’t think it’s “unfair” or “screwing me.” I’m worried about me, and me alone.

Was GW2 worth the $50 I paid for it? Absolutely.

Will HoT be worth $50? I have no effin’ clue, and I’m not giving them one dime until I know for sure.

I wont be preordering, its a silly concept and I dont want to be a statistic in their marketing game because they are a part of the Capitalist Beast, but I will pay for the xpack when it comes out, I decided that the moment I heard the first whispers of it comming, long before I knew the price. I like GW2. I will pay the $50 no problem. I appreciate the game enough.

I bet most of the people crying over this issue will buy it too, they are too heavily invested into to quit now, (and im not even talking about $$) if they werent, they wouldnt have spent this much energy discussing it.

I will see every last one of you in HoT.

Julie Yann.5379:

Thobek.1730:

I’m with the OP on this. Anet owe me nothing and I’m also happy to spend $50 on this expansion.

They have given me years of entertainment for next to no cost and I feel no issues with supporting them now.

disappointed with the community tbh.

and we are disappointed that your are disappointed with us trying to get everyone a better deal. Wouldn’t paying 35$ or 40$ be a good thing?

Under any circumstance, lowering the price would net them more money, regardless of why they should. The cheaper you make your product, the more people will be able to buy it, resulting in exponential profits. This is always true for digital products with no manufacturing expenses. Marketing 101.
Bad example, but say you have an $50 item. Most people are turned off by the price, so only 10 people buy it = $500 gain.
price is lowered to $30 and now 100 people want to / can buy it = $3000 gain.
Now just use the same logic with much, much larger numbers.
That’s why sales generate huge profits. Steam is a good example.

anx.7549:

Blackworm I’m not saying it is an insult, I just copied and pasted.

Alright, fair enough.

Greymelken.1892:

Anet owes me NOTHING. in fact, laid out like this… yea, I pretty much owe Anet. if I have to pay $50 today to uninstall GW2 that would bring the cost of my entertainment up to 11 cents an hour. We can go back and do more Soda math, or you can get the point.

The price isn’t really what I or many people are hung up on. Is it a bit high? Maybe. That isn’t the main issue veterans have. The main issue is that people that pre-purchased the core before it was officially released now have to pay full price twice if they want to support the developers for the expansion when a new player gets both for one single purchase price. They have had my pre-purchase in the bank and generating interest for almost 3 years on top of whatever gems I have bought and however much gold I have sunk into fees on the BLTC.

Many veterans agree with paying, but feel that they are getting a bad deal on the expansion because the full price without any other benefit like extra gems, a character slot because of the new profession, or a little discount for having interest in the game for nearly 3 years and paying in for the core game before official launch while brand new players get both for the current price. I do agree that they should get both, but by not giving some sort of nod to those players that jumped in before launch up until the refund limit to keep all sides happy.

From what I have gathered across many posts, consensus is give those that purchased the core game outside of the refund limit on the day of the prepurchase announcement the equivalent of gems to buy a character slot, a discount to allow them to possibly purchase a character slot from the gem store to match the cost of buying gems to get a character slot or just enjoy the discount, or give a character slot with the purchase since you can’t make a 2nd account from the bundle as a current player. A good portion of those making cohesive arguments about it are in agreement to this line, not those that are just crying because of the $50 tag. I may have picked up the game if they didn’t put in the bundle for new players and not have worried about it, but when someone that has given more than a new player would is forced to pay about double, there are going to be people upset about it. Those that remain level-headed and give thoughtful arguments are the ones to pay attention to. Those just screaming “$50? No way! $15 maybe” are the ones that you can ignore.

If you do the business marketing/PR you would have to agree that getting new players in should be a priority, which I agree with, but to give those that have been around longer and paid for it long before the new players now do, you stand to lose out over time on the free after box/code purchase with a cash store to generate revenue over time model. New players won’t have much reason to pay for gems because they are running around doing maps and learning, whereas the veterans are buying to help get their ascended and legendary gear, their agony resistance for high level fractals, etc faster because they have already spent years playing and want to get past gold/mats farming and get their goal done faster. Is this speculation? Yes. I did try to root it in a realistic scenario, so give it some thought along with the idea of trying to reward long-term players along with new players as well, since it feels bad when you get ignored at just about anything, be it invited to a party, missing out on a free cookie from a cookie tray, or not getting a little bonus for purchasing a game you’ve supported for years when fresh starters get the biggest deal of all in comparison. It feels bad, man.

chemiclord.3978:

Blackworm.2167:

I don’t think anyone’s arguing that the time spent in GW2 wasn’t worth the $50 we spent on it. On the contrary. The problem is, all of that has been devalued to $0.

How do you figure?

Because they’re throwing a bone to lure in new players who would balk at paying two box prices? I honestly don’t care one bit about the “deal” someone else gets. I don’t think it’s “unfair” or “screwing me.” I’m worried about me, and me alone.

Was GW2 worth the $50 I paid for it? Absolutely.

Will HoT be worth $50? I have no effin’ clue, and I’m not giving them one dime until I know for sure.

How do I figure? Did you read my posts in other threads? I explained the math quite thoroughly.

Julie Yann.5379:

Thobek.1730:

I’m with the OP on this. Anet owe me nothing and I’m also happy to spend $50 on this expansion.

They have given me years of entertainment for next to no cost and I feel no issues with supporting them now.

disappointed with the community tbh.

and we are disappointed that your are disappointed with us trying to get everyone a better deal. Wouldn’t paying 35$ or 40$ be a good thing?

actually no, I’m happy to support them. I’ve been playing this game for a few years now and its great value for money. time to give back.

A company sets a price for their product. Consumers buy the product. Both company and consumer get what they are supposed to out of the transaction. Neither side of the transaction ‘owes’ the other anything after each has fulfilled their portion of the transaction. Anet wasnt doing us a favor by selling us copies of GW2. They were a business trying to make a profit. They produced a service and we paid for it.

The fact that, in a previous transaction, both sides fulfilled their obligations does not mean that any given pricing on a new product should be seen as a good value. Any given product should be judged on its own merits as to whether or not it is a good value for a given consumer.

Bellizare.5816:

If I never played GW2 again, indeed I got my $ worth.

This has nothing to do with the opinion that the xpac is ridiculously overpriced.

That’s fine. If you think it’s overpriced that ok.
When you complain “well new players are getting the base game. ANet give me free stuff!” then OPs argument comes into affect.

Julie Yann.5379:

The core game had enough content to entertain you for thousands of hours. What we know of HoT is it not even close to having that amount of content (not even 30%) yet we are expected to pay 83% of the price of the original game.

This is another fine criticism. We don’t know enough, so we can’t say if the game is worth $50.

Blackworm.2167:

Also from Google. And as I said above, people are objectively entitled to what they paid for. It’s not an insult.

Please put that in the present context. What are player exactly entitled to in this case? Players who paid for the game got the game.

lighter.2708:

Since when we are arguing about the core game?

Well I’ve been asleep for the last few hours, but yesterday people were complaining: new players are getting the core game free thus veteran players are not being rewarded for being veteran players. This argument is very much separate from the price argument and it is this argument that OP is in fact criticizing, i.e. people who feel that somehow new players getting the core game for free somehow devalues the 3 or so years that they’ve been playing the game. From this some players feel that ANet owes them something extra by merit of them being veteran players.

chemiclord.3978:

Because they’re throwing a bone to lure in new players who would balk at paying two box prices? I honestly don’t care one bit about the “deal” someone else gets. I don’t think it’s “unfair” or “screwing me.” I’m worried about me, and me alone.

That’s a reason stance. After all insult is never given, it’s only ever taken. And just because someone else is being given something extra doesn’t mean you lose anything.

Lord Kuru.3685:

OP’s title is about entitlement yet arguement is about value for the money. In short, he’s just grasping for any argument to justify Anet’s $50.

No he’s actually arguing against the ‘veterans need to be rewarded for being veterans’ not for or against the $50 price tag.

DonQuack.9025:

Darn it… you people would defend alien colonial marines, brink, and sim city.

Well I don’t see the how those cases are related. Alien Colonial Marine and Sim City were both games that were over sold and under-delivered. Now if we were arguing about whether HoT is worth $50 that’s fine, but this thread related to the reaction of veteran players toward new players getting the core game free.

Blackworm.2167:

Under any circumstance, lowering the price would net them more money, regardless of why they should.

Except for those that have already purchased the pre-orders who would be very unhappy. So in essence doing so would swap angry people who haven’t purchased with angry people who have purchased.

BrosefStalin.3475:

The main issue is that people that pre-purchased the core before it was officially released now have to pay full price twice if they want to support the developers for the expansion when a new player gets both for one single purchase price.

ANet has officially stated that the core game is a free addition, and thus was not calculated into the price of the expansion. You’re not paying for the core game twice. This is the perception of some players, but this isn’t supported by ANet.

BrosefStalin.3475:

Many veterans agree with paying, but feel that they are getting a bad deal on the expansion because the full price without any other benefit like extra gems, a character slot because of the new profession, or a little discount for having interest in the game for nearly 3 years and paying in for the core game before official launch while brand new players get both for the current price. I do agree that they should get both, but by not giving some sort of nod to those players that jumped in before launch up until the refund limit to keep all sides happy.

And this is where OPs argument comes in. Veteran players have already gotten their value for money out of the core game. OP views this “veteran players have to be rewarded” as being entitled. I’m not sure exactly how I feel about it, I do feel however that ANet doesn’t really owe veteran players anything since well veteran players paid for the game and they got the game. For me it’s similar to when someone buys the game and a year later it goes on sale and then veteran players complain about that (which is actually a thing that happened on these very forums).

chemiclord.3978:

There IS a lot of sentiment that $50 for an expansion is simply too much money.

Yes, there is. I’ve never seen it as a “vets vs newcomers” sentiment though so it seems odd that some people regard it as entitlement.

For me, it’s always been about how anet has handled it. While making it easier for newcomers is good, anet’s choices on how to handle it make it look like they are trying to double dip out of my wallet. That’s not a good way to convince me the expansion is worthwhile.

CureForLiving.5360:

ANet has officially stated that the core game is a free addition, and thus was not calculated into the price of the expansion. You’re not paying for the core game twice. This is the perception of some players, but this isn’t supported by ANet.

The expansion ALONE is worth $50? Wasnt that the price for the base game?

My expectations for the expansion has now shot up.

No need to compare with other games. Simply compare against the base game.

I really don’t get all the salty vet tears around here. Its a sub free game ffs!

I played WoW for five or six years and dropped hundreds of dollars on it!

Jeez you can buy HoT for 50 bucks and pay for the next 3 years or w/e and thats all its going to cost you and people are whining about that??

Go see a movie with your wife/GF and then go to a restaurant. You are going to spend more than 50 bucks easy in a few hours on that and its done forever!

Seriously guys if you think this is such a big ripoff….I just…its pennies a day!

Pennies!

BrosefStalin.3475:

The main issue is that people that pre-purchased the core before it was officially released now have to pay full price twice if they want to support the developers for the expansion when a new player gets both for one single purchase price.

That is a matter of perspective, and from that angle, a bit self defeating.

We paid once, three years ago. We pay for the expansion now, it costs $50, which is a common enough price point.

Do new players get a better deal? Sort of. They dont have to pay for the expansion, it comes free with the core game. Would it have made a difference if it were worded that way? Would we prefer that new players had to buy the core, and the expansion seperately for $110? What if they got a bundle deal? Would we demand a discount because of the $60 we paid for core?

Here is another perspective:

If I am going to be a new player in your game that has been out for 3 years, you had better be prepared to make it worth my time, because the idea of being dropped into a game surrounded by people who have been here for three years, trampling me underfoot, berating me for all my ‘noob’ questions, looking cooler than me, being more powerful then me isnt really going to bring me to the door.

And think about it, we want these new players. We need these new players. If giving them a sweet deal on a free core game is what it takes, thats what it takes.

All the same, Im gonna look awesome next to these noobs who saved a 50 sheet on the core experience. They didnt experience what I experienced…

Regular version at $50 without any character slot for the new class is an insult to any GW1 veterans, who bought expansions with two new classes, two character slots, entire new continents, hundred of new skills, dozen of new elite skills, dozens of new armor skin (not in the cash shop) etc for $45. In fact, we do not even know if HoT warrant it’s $50, no character slot price tag, compared to the older games.

We do not know how many maps we are getting, we do not know how many new skills we are getting, we do not know if we are getting any new dungeons etc. That’s why i might not preorder it now. Too few information for an expansion that is sold at the same price as the base game was 3 years ago.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

I prebought the game, played in the betas, played almost every day, bought gems with real money every month cuz I figured they were worth it, and I still think this expansion is overpriced for what we are getting.

100% agree. I pre ordered the collector’s edition started 3 day early access bought a second account for my wife, and bought gems with cash. I don’t support this direction Anet is headed in and will vote with the only thing they care about, my wallet.

Lévis! stop it you’re triggering me!

CureForLiving.5360:

And this is where OPs argument comes in. Veteran players have already gotten their value for money out of the core game. OP views this “veteran players have to be rewarded” as being entitled. I’m not sure exactly how I feel about it, I do feel however that ANet doesn’t really owe veteran players anything since well veteran players paid for the game and they got the game. For me it’s similar to when someone buys the game and a year later it goes on sale and then veteran players complain about that (which is actually a thing that happened on these very forums).

Customer X stayed with a business since it opened. He’s bought various menu items in the store and praises the game. Then, one day, the owners push Customer X aside, after he just bought a big meal, to pamper a new customer who may or may not stick around. The owner now also wants Customer X to repay for a previous meal, or a meal he just bought a moment ago, if Customer X wants dessert. And it will cost twice as much if he wants silverwear.

Should Customer X be angry? What price does the business put on Customer X’s loyalty? Should Customer X suck it up and be happy because he got good service beforehand?

That’s the question ANet is asking its most loyal players. And it’s not one that should’ve been ever asked in the first place. It’s not entitlement.

It’s asking to be treated with respect as a paying, and loyal, customer.

you henny pennys dont even know what you are getting, and the sky is already falling.

Greymelken.1892:

you henny pennys dont even know what you are getting, and the sky is already falling.

Arguably the most amusing part of it all. They havent really said what we are “buying” but they sure are willing to sell it to us.

I imagine this is one of the few industries where such practices are happily encouraged by the average consumer. and I laugh. Its like going to a shady used car salesman. Except you can see a car salesmans face and atleast touch the car. No guarantees on how it will run once out of the lot though.

CureForLiving.5360:

Blackworm.2167:

Also from Google. And as I said above, people are objectively entitled to what they paid for. It’s not an insult.

Please put that in the present context. What are player exactly entitled to in this case? Players who paid for the game got the game.

Yes, they did, and they got $50 worth of content they were entitled to.
There are also new players who paid nothing and still got it.
Are they entitled to the core despite not having payed a dime to Anet?

HoT is $50, and we are also entitled to $50 worth of content.
We pay $50, they pay $50, we are all entitled to $50 worth of content, which has been established by Anet as the core game + HoT.

So why should we have to pay $100 while newcomers pay $50 for the same content?
We are entitled to HoT.

CureForLiving.5360:

Blackworm.2167:

Under any circumstance, lowering the price would net them more money, regardless of why they should.

Except for those that have already purchased the pre-orders who would be very unhappy. So in essence doing so would swap angry people who haven’t purchased with angry people who have purchased.

You could make that same argument about anyone who bought a game on steam a day before it went on sale. Guess what? Valve offers refunds, one reason being for that exactly.

By your logic, no company should ever have sales because people who bought their product at a higher price would be upset. Reality shows us otherwise.

Isn’t that sad in itself? They could fix this, today, by telling everyone the huge amount of content coming. If that’s what’s coming. But it’s nothing but crickets.

It beggars the question: why?

And, I’ll tell you, most have already drawn their own conclusions: they’re not showing much because there’s not much to show.

I pre purchased the original game, played alpha and betas, contribute regularly to the gem store and bought the ULTIMATE option. Funny how $35 would make some of you happy. 10 is what it would take to make others happy.

Thanks for a great game over 3 years with no required pay walls, Anet. Thank you. You’re so greedy. Not asking for money and all that.

You can mow lawns for 20 bucks where I live. Suck it up.

What EAnet owes us is non shady business practices. They charge $50 and then do not include a character slot so you can’t actually experience all of the content if you do not have one available to cynically wring another $10 buck out of you. They price it at $50 because of a captive audience; everyone that wants future content is required to have HoT, with the possible exceptions of content like halloween etc. never mind that you’re expected to drop the money with limited knowledge of what’s included.

Anyone dropping $50 is doing that with the information they have now. And I for one don’t consider what has been revealed so far worth $50.

DieselFueled.3257:

I pre purchased the original game, played alpha and betas, contribute regularly to the gem store and bought the ULTIMATE option. Funny how $35 would make some of you happy. 10 is what it would take to make others happy.

Thanks for a great game over 3 years with no required pay walls, Anet. Thank you. You’re so greedy. Not asking for money and all that.

You can mow lawns for 20 bucks where I live. Suck it up.

I can get my extensive lawn mowed for much less. Where the heck do you live anyway?