Guild Wars 2

So I started an Arah party for path 2 and we were at the abomination boss, haven’t started the fight yet.

This one mesmer couldn’t make the run from the wp past all the mobs. She kept going straight for the cliff from the tunnel, instead of hugging the north wall which is safer. She failed like…3 times, after which everyone agreed to start the fight with 4.

In the middle of combat, she said
“Did you really just get into combat?” because apparently she had died again and couldn’t wp.
So I replied “Did you really just ask that question?”
“Yes.”
“Then yes. we did”
“I could just leave, if that makes you happier”

that’s how the conversation went and apparently the ignorant person got really kitten off at me. Long story short, she proceeded to kick me at lupicus and apparently had a friend who agreed.

Bottom line is, I didn’t do anything wrong other than make that one comment. And that’s really all it takes for someone to get kicked. Hell, it doesn’t even matter what you do if someone has a friend who wants to troll, he can kick anyone for no reason at all.

Why is only 2 out of 4 votes required to kick someone out? ANet, do you realize how much time I’ve wasted getting kicked for stupid reasons? And I can’t even do anything about it. The kicker just blocks me, and I can’t report for abuse.

here’s the thing though…it wasn’t just me. There were 4 of us just standing there waiting for that one mesmer to make it. And when we all agreed to start the fight (I didn’t even start the fight just tagged along), the mesmer got kitten and made that ignorant remark.

And I even told her how to run it safely (by hugging the north walls). But she did not listen and kept trying the other way and kept failing.

The point is, just because she started the instance, she has the power. If she leaves, goodbye dungeon party. And what’s worse, the kicking system.

KazNaka.4718:

here’s the thing though…it wasn’t just me. There were 4 of us just standing there waiting for that one mesmer to make it. And when we all agreed to start the fight (I didn’t even start the fight just tagged along), the mesmer got kitten and made that ignorant remark.

And I even told her how to run it safely (by hugging the north walls). But she did not listen and kept trying the other way and kept failing.

The point is, just because she started the instance, she has the power. If she leaves, goodbye dungeon party. And what’s worse, the kicking system.

i understand where you are coming from, but sometimes its best to not comment and act like you didnt read it. it wasnt a very nice comment its prolly summin i would say too but in the end you deserved the boot. better to be safe than sorry. it wasnt abuse that the team booted you. you sort of booted yourself

so what has become of gw2 dungeon parties? You say something wrong and you get kicked? Is this really ok with everyone? Does the time invested not matter at all?

why would anyone want to stay in a party with someone who is going to be a kitten?

It’s not what you said. It’s what you did (or rather, didn’t do).

When you’re in a PUG you have to be open-minded, patient, and supportive/helpful. If that’s not your style then you should really be running with guildies or other like-minded players.

You were being rude to someone who was most likely already frustrated at the worlds most annoying dungeon, which doesn’t do any good for anyone. :/

alright well, guess I’ll stay silent in pugs from now on. Thanks for your feedback, peeps.

First Rule of Pugging – Always expect…. the unexpected!
Second Rule of Pugging – Always ensure you have learnt rule no. 1

Yeah, happens a lot in AC, newer players trying to figure out the twists and turns. Maybe you forgot that you can draw a path on the map for them?? It’s just bad etiquette to start combat when someone is traveling.

BUMPED ive been vote kicked over 20 times, always at the end of dungeon too, and its NEVER FOR A LEGIT HAPPENS

20 times?? You running a ranger?
Of all the groups I’ve seen kick someone, only once it was a warrior, the rest were rangers. I mean regarding dungeons. I usually initiate kicks when farming orr and some goof runs off to do some pointless event. …though I’ve second some votes against rangers in dungeons

You rage-posted here for being kicked out group and you wonder why the mesmer was angry over your harsh comment?

Seriously the only problem with pug is that people cannot stand needing to communicate or even talk to each other.

That’s why I start all instances I can.

If I’m kicked, the dungeon ends. I have immunity

Vorch.2985:

That’s why I start all instances I can.

If I’m kicked, the dungeon ends. I have immunity

lol that’s why I never join a PuG where a ranger is doing the LFM, serious.

Daywolf.2630:

20 times?? You running a ranger?

LOLED at this.
Seriously you must be either a kitten bad player or very rude to be kicked 20 times.

To the OP, shoulda waited for the Mesmer really, doesn’t hurt to give ‘the new guy’ a helping hand every so often.
I’ve done Hotw about 100 times, never skipped mobs though, tried skipping today with a PUG, I agroed the wolves by mistake and wiped the group.. we laughed, nobody was kicked.

I just keep my chat closed if what I’m going to say isn’t polite. I recommend this approach. Even if vote-kicking were changed, it should not be a license to kitten.

It Should be if there are 5 people in the group 4 have to agree…. if 4 then 3 and so on….

Also It should be if anyone leader included leaves the dungeon you get to stay until you are finished doing what you need to do

Firebird Gomer.9563:

It Should be if there are 5 people in the group 4 have to agree…. if 4 then 3 and so on….

Also It should be if anyone leader included leaves the dungeon you get to stay until you are finished doing what you need to do

But what if I want to kick 3 out of 5 real quick like (I have hehe)?. Don’t work for me, I don’t want to leave to start a new group. Actually I’d like to be the leader and have all the power to kick at will. Sounds better to me, forget votes.

Ive never been votekicked because i take 3 precautions.

-If ever possible, try to rush to be the first to start the dungeon.
-Unless necessary, its unnecessary to speak in a PUG at all.
-Let someone initiate any action when in the dungeon, if anything goes wrong, aint yer business.

I can only point one mistake to the op
He started a war with the party leader and ofc the party leader always wins.

If the party leader is a noob and you already got far in the dungeon you cant say anything bad because you can be kicked but the party leader cant.

Even if in the party are all total strangers they will chose to kick you if the party leader asks them too.

So moral of the story is:
even if the party leader is the dumbest person in the world you cant do anything about it because you will always lose

Daywolf.2630:

Firebird Gomer.9563:

It Should be if there are 5 people in the group 4 have to agree…. if 4 then 3 and so on….

Also It should be if anyone leader included leaves the dungeon you get to stay until you are finished doing what you need to do

But what if I want to kick 3 out of 5 real quick like (I have hehe)?. Don’t work for me, I don’t want to leave to start a new group. Actually I’d like to be the leader and have all the power to kick at will. Sounds better to me, forget votes.

You say that until the day your not leader and 2 people either leave the group before you get your chest or daily bonus from FotM and you miss out on them completely.

Happened to me just recently. 2 people in the same guild got their reward and then closed the FotM making it so the other 3 people didn’t get anything.

it’s simple really. don’t skip mobs. i know, i know. that’s the uber-leet thing to do, or whatever ridiculous saying anyone wants to use, except…… it’s really not. it’s just flat out laziness with a spin george stephanopoulos would envy coming up with. do dungeons to…… do the dungeons. not to skip them, and then act as though that makes your more skilled than anyone else. it doesn’t. in fact, it makes you a liability. why? because if you HAVE to fight something, you have no clue how to because you’ve spent all your time running past it.

it doesn’t save time, and is completely unnecessary in order to get the loot you’re after. in fact, you actually get LESS loot by bypassing the dungeon. hell, i’ve actually seen people asking if we could skip entire bosses. i’ve never been booted from a group, but i have left a few, and have booted a few people myself because i was dealing with these types of “players”. yes, i put players in quotations, because they’re not. they’re children who only care about instant gratification, even if their imbecilic approach causes it to take longer, and end up as a complete disaster.

and to start combat before all of your members are there is just plain stupid and rude. all four of the people in your party should be embarrassed by how much ignorance was put on display. when you join a party, you become part of a team. something that requires (gasp!) teamwork. yep, you actually have to work together to give your team the best chance for success. failing to do so will, and should, result in failure.

simply put, your group did a terrible job, approached things poorly, were ridiculously shortsighted and completely lazy, and just plain didn’t deserve any rewards from the dungeon whatsoever. and now you’re here making whining thread about it. and when someone tries to explain where you went wrong, you’ve tried to justify it, or push the fault onto the community itself. sorry to say, it ain’t everyone else fault. because i know how this scenario goes. someone joins a party, says " are we skipping things or doing it all? i’m ok with either" they get told that the plan is to do the whole thing, then said person nags at EVERY single encounter to skip it, and need to be told “no, scooter, we’re actually going to DO this dungeon” time and time again. and guess what? said person ends up being a corpse most of the time, because as it turns out, they’re absolutely WORTHLESS in the dungeon they’re trying to farm. (and are usually running a glass cannon melee build, because OMG BIG NUMBER!!! yes, number. singular, because they’re dead after their first attack.)

so, who’s at fault here? anet? nope. the party system? nope. the mesmer? nope. the community itself? nope. want a hint? look in the mirror. can’t accept that? play a panda. want to try to justify it? doesn’t change anything. want to actually be worth something in a dungeon? actually do the dungeon. want to make a whine thread about it? you really don’t want to know my answer to this one. don’t like it? too bad.

Phantom.8130:

it’s simple really. don’t skip mobs. i know, i know. that’s the uber-leet thing to do, or whatever ridiculous saying anyone wants to use, except…… it’s really not. it’s just flat out laziness with a spin george stephanopoulos would envy coming up with. do dungeons to…… do the dungeons. not to skip them, and then act as though that makes your more skilled than anyone else. it doesn’t. in fact, it makes you a liability. why? because if you HAVE to fight something, you have no clue how to because you’ve spent all your time running past it.

it doesn’t save time, and is completely unnecessary in order to get the loot you’re after. in fact, you actually get LESS loot by bypassing the dungeon. hell, i’ve actually seen people asking if we could skip entire bosses. i’ve never been booted from a group, but i have left a few, and have booted a few people myself because i was dealing with these types of “players”. yes, i put players in quotations, because they’re not. they’re children who only care about instant gratification, even if their imbecilic approach causes it to take longer, and end up as a complete disaster.

and to start combat before all of your members are there is just plain stupid and rude. all four of the people in your party should be embarrassed by how much ignorance was put on display. when you join a party, you become part of a team. something that requires (gasp!) teamwork. yep, you actually have to work together to give your team the best chance for success. failing to do so will, and should, result in failure.

simply put, your group did a terrible job, approached things poorly, were ridiculously shortsighted and completely lazy, and just plain didn’t deserve any rewards from the dungeon whatsoever. and now you’re here making whining thread about it. and when someone tries to explain where you went wrong, you’ve tried to justify it, or push the fault onto the community itself. sorry to say, it ain’t everyone else fault. because i know how this scenario goes. someone joins a party, says " are we skipping things or doing it all? i’m ok with either" they get told that the plan is to do the whole thing, then said person nags at EVERY single encounter to skip it, and need to be told “no, scooter, we’re actually going to DO this dungeon” time and time again. and guess what? said person ends up being a corpse most of the time, because as it turns out, they’re absolutely WORTHLESS in the dungeon they’re trying to farm. (and are usually running a glass cannon melee build, because OMG BIG NUMBER!!! yes, number. singular, because they’re dead after their first attack.)

so, who’s at fault here? anet? nope. the party system? nope. the mesmer? nope. the community itself? nope. want a hint? look in the mirror. can’t accept that? play a panda. want to try to justify it? doesn’t change anything. want to actually be worth something in a dungeon? actually do the dungeon. want to make a whine thread about it? you really don’t want to know my answer to this one. don’t like it? too bad.

so when you run CoF you dont skip the bridge???????

Reize.2176:

-Unless necessary, its unnecessary to speak in a PUG at all.

I always use chat in a dungeon pug. But then I usually run my guard in dungeons and it’s not usual for people to be anticipating weather or not they may need to kick the guard at some point later in the run (unlike ranger hehe).

But usually, especially in AC, I want to know if anyone is on first run or still new to it, and what the melees are set up as, general, so I can adjust traits and equipment accordingly. Of course by the time we reach the spider queen, I let people know I don’t range at all, and usually the quiet one is first to abruptly jump in and trigger the queen resulting in their own dirt nap before the flaming heads are even cleared. Laugh it off etc, rinse and repeat.

The moral of the story. Don’t skip mobs and everyone is happy. 75% of the time when you skip stuff you don’t end up saving any time. It’s irritating and not fun. I’d side with the mesmer.

I hate skipping mobs. I really do. I don’t like running through stuff.

One of my guildies got dusk off a dredge mob in FotM. I was standing right next to him when it happened.

In normal games, you have trash mobs, and people don’t care about them because you can’t get anything of value from them, period. In Guild Wars 1, we almost never heard the term trash mob. That’s because any mob could drop a black dye, a white dye and in hard mode and EofN any mob could drop a lockpick.

I killed everything in Guild Wars 1 for a reason, and I try to do the same in Guild Wars 2.

Though like most people, I do skip the bridge in CoF runs…in fact, I do CoF runs skipping everything everyone else does..not for preference, but because I know if I stopped to kill mobs I’d be standing there alone. lol

Firebird Gomer.9563:

You say that until the day your not leader and 2 people either leave the group before you get your chest or daily bonus from FotM and you miss out on them completely.

Happened to me just recently. 2 people in the same guild got their reward and then closed the FotM making it so the other 3 people didn’t get anything.

I don’t think it would change anything. I’m all for dictatorship in groups, but if one leaves then another becomes leader. If someone is still in the dungeon, than it should still keep running. Same as some other games. In fact I recall CoH (another NCsoft game) if you kicked someone from your group, they would still be in the instance. Of course that’s too messy for a number of reasons.

I’ve never been kicked from a dungeon run. Literally never, not once. I have dungeon master and have run about a few hundred dungeons if you count AC farming (when it was easy xD lol). Anyway, I skip fights all the time, I run into people who get upset and I still don’t get kicked.

It’s my theory that, if someone is complaining about getting kicked a lot, they’re the ones causing the problem.

I do agree that it should be 3/5 to kick instead of 2/5 though…

You should NOT be able to run through packs of mobs period. I am fairly new player to the game and my ‘few’ attempts at trying to dungeons with the speed run experts in this game completely puts me off playing it. The community in this game expect (demand) that you skip as much as you can and you’re supposed to know precisely where to go and how to do it. The generally elitist community in this game really surprises me.

Have fun playing by yourself, all that ‘work’ you put in getting items is for what exactly if nobody bothers playing it? Think about how you treat others OP.

Vayne.8563:

I hate skipping mobs. I really do. I don’t like running through stuff.

One of my guildies got dusk off a dredge mob in FotM. I was standing right next to him when it happened.

In normal games, you have trash mobs, and people don’t care about them because you can’t get anything of value from them, period. In Guild Wars 1, we almost never heard the term trash mob. That’s because any mob could drop a black dye, a white dye and in hard mode and EofN any mob could drop a lockpick.

I killed everything in Guild Wars 1 for a reason, and I try to do the same in Guild Wars 2.

Though like most people, I do skip the bridge in CoF runs…in fact, I do CoF runs skipping everything everyone else does..not for preference, but because I know if I stopped to kill mobs I’d be standing there alone. lol

For anything other than a few parts of very select dungeons (CoF because honestly you’ll make moar money skipping than standing around) I pretty much agree. People don’t realize that the loot system in this game is a bit whacked out, “trash” mobs will generally drop better items if only by sheer virtue of their numbers than Champs, bosses etc.

I’ve never been kicked from a dungeon in any game. I’m polite and thoughtful. I may not be the best player in the world, but being nice goes a long way.
Making a snide remark like the OP did would really rub someone the wrong way if they were already frustrated.
Clearly the Mesmer could have used some assistance getting to the point the other 4 were. Yet the other 4 just sat around watching the Mesmer die over and over while you all stood there waiting. Did it not occur to you to go back and help your teammate?
That was rude, as was the comment. I’m actually glad you got kicked.

Salt.4621:

You should NOT be able to run through packs of mobs period. I am fairly new player to the game and my ‘few’ attempts at trying to dungeons with the speed run experts in this game completely puts me off playing it. The community in this game expect (demand) that you skip as much as you can and you’re supposed to know precisely where to go and how to do it. The generally elitist community in this game really surprises me.

Have fun playing by yourself, all that ‘work’ you put in getting items is for what exactly if nobody bothers playing it? Think about how you treat others OP.

I really hate that people get screwed over by this, and I always suggest the same thing. Try to find a like minded guild. In my guild we kill stuff almost all the time, rather than skipping mobs. At the very least, you know beforehand which people really want to skip mobs and it’s quite easy not to group with them.

I call them the run run run crowd.

I’ve never been vote kicked. Maybe because I’m respectful in pugs. Don’t start unnecessary arguments and get on with the dungeon (silently if it is that bad).

In a bad pugs. There are usually two out comes. The dungeon is completed and no longer have to party with those weighing down the group. The dungeon cannot be finished, apologize with your reasons why it won’t be completed and leave. Usually it’s the former how ever.

Kicking for no reason should be banable for at least 7 days, maybe some ppl grow and take a lesson to not kick anyone but bc “i dont like him”. I always starting the dungeon to make myself save from kick when i meet some dogb in group that thinks he knows better than i does.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Kicking for no reason should be banable for at least 7 days, maybe some ppl grow and take a lesson to not kick anyone but bc “i dont like him”. I always starting the dungeon to make myself save from kick when i meet some dogb in group that thinks he knows better than i does.

So who gets to decide what no reason is? Maybe Anet should take a few dozen people, put them on payroll and let them listen to the arguments? What if both parties are wrong? What if it’s just a misunderstanding?

I agree abusive behavior needs to be punished, but everyone has a different reason for what’s an acceptable reason to kick someone. Unless Anet posts hard and fast rules for what you can kick for, this is just a bad idea.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Kicking for no reason should be banable for at least 7 days, maybe some ppl grow and take a lesson to not kick anyone but bc “i dont like him”. I always starting the dungeon to make myself save from kick when i meet some dogb in group that thinks he knows better than i does.

In other words, make ANET the thought police?
Then it’s like, every person that gets kicked for any reason files a petition to the GM service in hopes of a ban …as if there were that many GM’s. Then what, GM’s investigate by reviewing chat logs or something? No logs, no video, need to conduct investigations by guesstimattion. Call the psychic network, maybe?

Ode to the olden days when I’d pull out my cleric and my friends list would light up asking if I’ll be leading any dungeon runs. Beats a system of party anarchy as exists here (leader is basically first person that dashes in). But at least I still have a friends list.

edit: reminds me, what’s really fun is when you build a pug for exp and one person decided to dash in and start a SM! Weeeeee! hah. Banned for 7 days after kicking them? then needing to reform the group again …and add an ignore to list

You deserved it. You could have all WP’d back and helped her though instead of waiting and then starting without her.

Or, and even crazier idea, you could have killed the mobs.

The mesmer was obviously frustrated, maybe was new to the path, and instead of helping them, making the run go smoother and faster, you stood there and made snide comments and started combat which prevented them from joining you – you deserved the kick.
New people or people who aren’t super familiar with a particular path aren’t what makes a pug suck, rude people do that. I don’t know if I would have kicked you personally, but I’d certainly never run a dungeon with you again.

You sure you didn’t just leeroy boss and other 3 just had to follow through? Personally I was never kicked from instance in progress so I don’t think its out of control. However I see how votekick could be abused and perhaps it should get little bit of attention to ensure people are not getting trolled by it.

Vayne.8563:

Scoobaniec.9561:

Kicking for no reason should be banable for at least 7 days, maybe some ppl grow and take a lesson to not kick anyone but bc “i dont like him”. I always starting the dungeon to make myself save from kick when i meet some dogb in group that thinks he knows better than i does.

So who gets to decide what no reason is? Maybe Anet should take a few dozen people, put them on payroll and let them listen to the arguments? What if both parties are wrong? What if it’s just a misunderstanding?

I agree abusive behavior needs to be punished, but everyone has a different reason for what’s an acceptable reason to kick someone. Unless Anet posts hard and fast rules for what you can kick for, this is just a bad idea.

I’m not looking for ANet to ban or police anyone. I’m just trying to make it harder to to kick someone. If someone is really bad really deserves a kick I’m sure 3 or even 4 votes is not hard to get. But if one or two persons have an argument and disagrees/gets kitten off/etc, he can get kicked with just 2 votes? That, to me, doesn’t make sense at all. It’s not even the majority of the party.

Everyone has his/her reasons as to why someone should deserve a kick. But is it really fair that only 2 persons are needed to decide his/her fate and take away all the time/effort spent?

I’m not even thinking about my situation anymore; I’m over that. I just hope people can see how the current system is messed up atm.

Daywolf.2630:

Yeah, happens a lot in AC, newer players trying to figure out the twists and turns. Maybe you forgot that you can draw a path on the map for them?? It’s just bad etiquette to start combat when someone is traveling.

Wait… what? You can draw on the maps and have others see it? How!?

I’ve never been kicked from a group and that’s probably because I stay very quiet whenever I am in a group. I just try to get on with it, not try to mess up and try be patient if someone else does take their time catching up.

I received abuse from a team the other day during fractals. It was the orb carrying fractal and people just kept picking them up regardless of whether or not others were in position. When I asked if they’d done it before and they answered with “no” I proceeded to explain. They still continued to pick up the orbs so I asked them not to, there was even a “please” in there. The response was something along the lines of “stfu we’re on Skype”.

I’d already waited for this group for about twenty minutes after being told they needed a short five minute break. I was hoping for a quick run as I didn’t have much time, foolish me I suppose for thinking I’d stick so well to my own time constraints. I was going to let them get on with the fractal while I stood there but I then realised that I was very unlikely to get to the end anyway after all the standing around.

I said that they come across as a bit of a kitten, told them I had to leave (which was actually true), wished them luck and then left. That was the first time I ever left a group, I felt dirty doing it as I knew how annoying it was when a monk on GW1 would say “want to do this alone, then?”

Sure, that wasn’t about kicking per se but the I suppose the moral of the story I’m trying to get across is that people are idiots. No matter how nice you are you’ll always find that there is some moron just waiting to show himself to you in a team somewhere. Giving smart remarks is only going to encourage people to be bigger idiots and you’re just as much a part of the problem as yourself. The only time I think people should be kicked from a group is if they get d/c’d for an extended period of time or they really are being a total plonker.

tl;dr – Most of that was irrelevant. Anyway, the majority should rule. Three votes should be needed for a kick.

Here is my story: I was doing AC P1 with a decent party, only 1 was dead weight but still we manage to carry him without problems.
Due the success we decide to do P2. Derpa got bugged as always but we finish the first trap and then everything went to hell, Derpa die in the middle of the second trap and someone rez her so more ghosts spawned and we got wiped.
This is not a problem if you have either a OP party with massive DPS or if you are smart enough to pull the ghosts. Unfortunately my party had neither. I insisted on pulling since we didn’t have enough DPS but the “bad” player wanted to rez Derpa without killing the ghost and for some reason, the rest of the party decide to follow him and of course, Derpa died right away (she finish the second trap so she got stuck in combat mode as always therefore she was never going to set the last trap). I refused to waste my time and insisted on pulling and then they kittening kicked me.

So OP, it wasn’t your fault. Just because someone useless get frustrated and he/she had a friend or someone else is stupid enough to think that useless person is the heart of the party don’t mean you have to stand and see how all your time is wasted only because Anet refuse to remove that stupid kick system

We need a kick system but one that require all other party members to vote, not only 2.

Palador.2170:

Daywolf.2630:

Yeah, happens a lot in AC, newer players trying to figure out the twists and turns. Maybe you forgot that you can draw a path on the map for them?? It’s just bad etiquette to start combat when someone is traveling.

Wait… what? You can draw on the maps and have others see it? How!?

it’s something like shift+L-mouse on the mini. You can look it up here. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Map
Works well.

Daywolf.2630:

Vorch.2985:

That’s why I start all instances I can.

If I’m kicked, the dungeon ends. I have immunity

lol that’s why I never join a PuG where a ranger is doing the LFM, serious.

What’s your beef with rangers? T_T

KazNaka.4718:

Vayne.8563:

Scoobaniec.9561:

Kicking for no reason should be banable for at least 7 days, maybe some ppl grow and take a lesson to not kick anyone but bc “i dont like him”. I always starting the dungeon to make myself save from kick when i meet some dogb in group that thinks he knows better than i does.

So who gets to decide what no reason is? Maybe Anet should take a few dozen people, put them on payroll and let them listen to the arguments? What if both parties are wrong? What if it’s just a misunderstanding?

I agree abusive behavior needs to be punished, but everyone has a different reason for what’s an acceptable reason to kick someone. Unless Anet posts hard and fast rules for what you can kick for, this is just a bad idea.

I’m not looking for ANet to ban or police anyone. I’m just trying to make it harder to to kick someone. If someone is really bad really deserves a kick I’m sure 3 or even 4 votes is not hard to get. But if one or two persons have an argument and disagrees/gets kitten off/etc, he can get kicked with just 2 votes? That, to me, doesn’t make sense at all. It’s not even the majority of the party.

Everyone has his/her reasons as to why someone should deserve a kick. But is it really fair that only 2 persons are needed to decide his/her fate and take away all the time/effort spent?

I’m not even thinking about my situation anymore; I’m over that. I just hope people can see how the current system is messed up atm.

Oh I agree with you…but that ‘s not what the poster I responded to was saying. I think it should be three votes to kick, not two. But the poster I responded to was asking for people to be banned for “wrongful” kicking. That’s just way too big brother for me.

All I am going to say is let it go and move on. It’s a game for kitten’s sake. The system is how it is and why would you want to do a dungeon with someone who doesn’t like you anyway? There are a few thousand other people to group with.

Seriously OP if you cannot see what you did wrong, you never will, you deserved being kicked honestly, next time instead of thinking only of yourselves maybe go back and help the player, the team might jell better….

People these days..