Guild Wars 2

They have not even finished delivering on the last expansion? I’m still waiting, yes, STILL WAITING for the full set of second generation legendary weapons that were promised to use back at the start of HoT!

Now I hear they are about to announce a New expansion?!?!?! Do they have any moral compass at all?

I’m sorry but I have been fooled once. they won’t fool me again!

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Peasant%27s_Solution

You will get your promise you dont have to pay for the expac to get acess to them. So could you chill i would be with you if they said something and then never delivered on it.

I don’t believe they ever said that HoT would have a full set of new Legendaries. The first blog post about new Legendaries said:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/a-legendary-journey/

“For now, I’ll say that we’ve been working hard on new legendary weapons, the first handful of which will be introduced in Heart of Thorns, with more to come in subsequent updates”

The total number for the HoT wasn’t specified.

Thank you flesh, I was just about ready to search for that to bludgeon many people with.

Actually Anet said a set of 16 new legendaries with HoT

Dashingsteel.3410:

Actually Anet said a set of 16 new legendaries with HoT

Thank you

Dashingsteel.3410:

Actually Anet said a set of 16 new legendaries with HoT

Not with HoT. The 16 legendaries were stated to be post-launch content, which would be released in small groups at regular intervals until the full set was complete.

Healix.5819:

Dashingsteel.3410:

Actually Anet said a set of 16 new legendaries with HoT

Not with HoT. The 16 legendaries were stated to be post-launch content, which would be released in small groups at regular intervals until the full set was complete.

But HoT is needed to make them right? so.. should they not finish HoT content before they release some new expansion?

We’ve known for weeks if not months that they would be getting this expansion to us in the near future. We’ve known far longer than that, pretty much back to early HoT, that they had 70 people working on the expansion.

We also found out a little bit ago that while the remaining legendaries might not come out until after the expansion, per direct statement of ANet we will not need the expansion to craft them.

This has all been discussed quite a bit on these forums over the past year or so, plus there was a humongous spoiler filled leak of the expansion’s content that spilled over Reddit and was referenced in forum threads here (mostly decrying the leak). I’m sorry if you missed it and a little envious of you for your being able to be surprised by the fact of the expansion and by where it will be set.

Never fear, however. You won’t be fooled. You don’t have to buy the expansion and you most especially don’t have to pre-order it. You can wait to see what’s in it and what it costs (rumors are the price point will be rather lower than HoT was) and decide then.

It seems odd to me to call it “immoral” to release an expansion when some players are dissatisfied with the first one. I don’t see morality or ethics at issue here. Not even corrupt business practices. It might perhaps in your view be a bad business decision — certainly they could face some PR nightmares similar to what HoT brought them if things are handled poorly — but it hardly seems something someone would need to bring to confession to receive absolution over.

(Disclaimer: random religious analogy, not advocating any specific religion or any religion at all)

Dashingsteel.3410:

Actually Anet said a set of 16 new legendaries with HoT

Can you give us the source for that?

All I’ve seen is there will be new Legendaries beginning with HoT and continuing afterwards. Of course there will be eventually a new set (minus underwater ones) but the time for a set was never stated in the quotes I saw.

I would say this https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/hot-new-legendary-weapons/ followed by O’Brien’s update implies they were part of HoT.

Silverstone.4539:

Healix.5819:

Dashingsteel.3410:

Actually Anet said a set of 16 new legendaries with HoT

Not with HoT. The 16 legendaries were stated to be post-launch content, which would be released in small groups at regular intervals until the full set was complete.

But HoT is needed to make them right? so.. should they not finish HoT content before they release some new expansion?

There’s no reason to think that Legendaries released with the new expansion will require HoT. Just like the new Legendaries required HoT instead of central Tyria, any new ones released with the new expansion should require that.

GreyWolf.8670:

I would say this https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/hot-new-legendary-weapons/ followed by O’Brien’s update implies they were part of HoT.

Doesn’t actually say though.

we will be releasing new legendary weapons in small groups at regular intervals until the full set of sixteen has been added to the game.

Regular intervals are not intervals that are short. It just means there is some schedule of planned release. That schedule doesn’t necessarily fall within this expansion.

I’d rather they take the time and do the legendary weapons justice than try to rush them out. Even if it does mean the 16th ends up being released after the release of the next EP.

That’s where many game companies run into problems: trying to beat some deadline and releasing buggy or lower quality games. I’d rather reward companies that prefer to release quality content, even if it is at a slower pace than I want.

“until the full set of sixteen has been added to the game”……… What game are they talking about when this statement was released? Wasn’t the core game…… Wasn’t a second expansion because that didn’t exist….. seems to me to be HoT. Remember legendary journies was a much hyped part of HoT and this 16 number was attatched to the legendary journies entry( legendary journies being a HoT thing and all)

I will say again that buyers should be wary when Anet starts giving you features for the next expansion.

So the marketing trick is to combine content that will be released at launch with content that will be released AFTER launch in advertisements and teasers about the expansion to make the expansion look more attractive…….. then deny that advertised content released after launch is part of the expansion

hmmmmmm…… I really hope that isn’t the way they operate.

Dashingsteel.3410:

“until the full set of sixteen has been added to the game”……… What game are they talking about when this statement was released? Wasn’t the core game…… Wasn’t a second expansion because that didn’t exist….. seems to me to be HoT. Remember legendary journies was a much hyped part of HoT and this 16 number was attatched to the legendary journies entry( legendary journies being a HoT thing and all)

I will say again that buyers should be wary when Anet starts giving you features for the next expansion.

I read ‘the game’ as Guild Wars 2. That’s what I mean when I say “the game.” If I mean HoT I say HoT.

Not everyone in Guild Wars 2 was going to have access to legendary journies and you know it. So adding the weapons to the game meant HoT

Dashingsteel.3410:

Not everyone in Guild Wars 2 was going to have access to legendary journies and you know it. So adding the weapons to the game meant HoT

And when the next expansion starts in two months are so and new Legendaries are “added to the game” without a big blog post announcing them but don’t require HoT but do require the new expansion, how will you define ‘the game’ then?

The game is just a term meaning gw2, the game. When the new expansion drops the announcements will still say ‘added to the game’ when new things are added to any part of it.

Edit: how would you phrase it if something is added to the game but not added only to HoT timeline but will continue to be added in the new expansions?

I will define it as false advertising if any of those 16 legendary weapons attatched to the legendary journies entry is put behind a 2nd expansion paywall.

I guess legendary armor wasn’t part of HoT either or for that matter the raid wings themselves…… all added after launch of HoT….. and at intervals I might add

Dashingsteel.3410:

I will define it as false advertising if any of those 16 legendary weapons attatched to the legendary journies entry is put behind a 2nd expansion paywall.

Then I guess you’ll have to do that because they are unlikely to finish a set before the next expansion and imo the next Legendaries will require the new expansion since they’re going to want people to play the new content, not the old.

Dashingsteel.3410:

I will define it as false advertising if any of those 16 legendary weapons attatched to the legendary journies entry is put behind a 2nd expansion paywall.

Were any of the legendaries locked behind season 3’s paywall? They’ve already stated that only HoT will be required as they continue to release the remaining legendaries into the next expansion. Also, this will be the last expansion set they’ll add, as future legendaries will be separated from expansions, meaning they can require the materials from the latest content.

Silverstone.4539:

But HoT is needed to make them right? so.. should they not finish HoT content before they release some new expansion?

Why would they hold back everything just to release a few weapons when most people don’t even care about them? They’ve already continued past HoT. Season 3 is a paid expansion itself, packaged as DLC.

Yeah, why bother delivering on what you advertised since only a few people care

Well Kids today and thinking , oh geee we will pull one over on the one’s that made you .Ah yes kids today . Great stuff .

Silverstone.4539:

They have not even finished delivering on the last expansion? I’m still waiting, yes, STILL WAITING for the full set of second generation legendary weapons that were promised to use back at the start of HoT!

Now I hear they are about to announce a New expansion?!?!?! Do they have any moral compass at all?

I’m sorry but I have been fooled once. they won’t fool me again!

You want them to postpone creating new content for everyone, new maps, new story, new mechanics, new elite specs (probably?) until they finish the generation 2 legendary weapons? Some people have really weird priorities around here.

What I want is some honesty in advertising. They hyped legendary journies and the set of 16 legendary weapons when they were trying to sell HoT. Once HoT comes out the legendary weapons get put on the back burner……. Why might you ask? because the staff was “stretched too thin”…….. Meanwhile while they are “stretched too thin” they have 70 employees working on a future expansion…… Instead of delivering on what they had sold(already had your money) they decided to delay doing that and work on something that they could sell you again……

Dashingsteel.3410:

What I want is some honesty in advertising. They hyped legendary journies and the set of 16 legendary weapons when they were trying to sell HoT. Once HoT comes out the legendary weapons get put on the back burner……. Why might you ask? because the staff was “stretched too thin”…….. Meanwhile while they are “stretched too thin” they have 70 employees working on a future expansion…… Instead of delivering on what they had sold(already had your money) they decided to delay doing that and work on something that they could sell you again……

Why are you even whining about this? It’s not like you have made every legendary weapon and have nothing to do. Get over it. Even if you had, they just gave you Legendary Trinkets to make.

Justine.6351:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Peasant%27s_Solution

youre my new favorite person Justine
and you know that coming from me that’s saying something

Silverstone.4539:

They have not even finished delivering on the last expansion? I’m still waiting, yes, STILL WAITING for the full set of second generation legendary weapons that were promised to use back at the start of HoT!

Now I hear they are about to announce a New expansion?!?!?! Do they have any moral compass at all?

I’m sorry but I have been fooled once. they won’t fool me again!

So your solution is for arenanet to have aproximately 70% of their staff do nothing while the art department puts in extra hours to finish the missing legendarys?

Do you even know how developers work? Or asked differently, do you honestly think that every employee at arenanet is part of the item design team or even capable to be part of the item design team?

No, the best solution would have been for Anet to pull people from the expansion team instead of the legendary weapons team back in early 2016. They didn’t do that. They already had our money.

NO, they need too fitful their promises from the last expansion before they give us another and expect us to pay for that one too.

it is like if i brought a car, and they said we’ll add the sets later.. now they want to sell me a new car, but i still don’t even have all the sets I was meant to get for the first car I brought.

Dashingsteel.3410:

No, the best solution would have been for Anet to pull people from the expansion team instead of the legendary weapons team back in early 2016. They didn’t do that. They already had our money.

They have a set of designers to work on the legendarys. If one legendary is finished they try to ship it with the next release. They also explicitly stated that the rest of the 2nd gen legendarys will only require HoT. They will still deliver what you paid for but will not put everything on hold just to deliver a few weapons before the next expansion hits.

I love it when customer complaints are characterized as whining. The fact is there were some very shifty business decisions made with HoT. People who paid FULL price for the core game but didn’t decide to buy HoT had core game features stripped from them and put behind a paywall. That is some real gratitude for a customer who bought your product.

I guess now days your just supposed to let companies do whatever they want and say “May I have more please?”

No thanks

Anet is not that amoral. They had time constraints with the original style of generation two legendaries; they were just too complex, so they made them easier, without the ultra long collection quests and left us with exactly four legendaries which have them (nevermore, astralaria, hope, chuka and champawat). MO told us in a long post, they will put them on hold until they re-introduced the new ‘style’ of legendaries with much less complex inter-world connected collections.

I am not sure weather they haven’t finished the designs of all of them or they now release them in small parts even after the new expansion – which isn’t the best move imho, because peculiar people like Dashingsteel who sees a conspiracy and cashgrab behind every corner are kittened.

I am not wanting them to put the expansion on hold for the legendary weapons…. That ship has already sailed and Anet failed the test……. I just like to bring this up from time to time so nobody forgets how they operate. After all, they will be asking for pre-orders soon and I hope there aren’t anymore suckers like me out there.

No conspiracy….. they pulled the legendary team off the project(that we had paid for) to help with living world while they had 70 extra employees working on a new expansion

They were put on hold because the team was pulled.

As long as we still get the Legendaries and if they explicitly stated that the rest of the 2nd gen legendarys will only require HoT, then if they take a bit longer and come out next year, I’m not seeing the problem. You’ll still get the Legendaries even if you don’t buy the next expansion and are stopped at the HoT expansion.

I believe the company’s moral compass was questioned in the ops original post……. My entries are in regard to that…….. so I guess you are mistaken when you say that my posts have nothing to do with the topic creators post.

Dashingsteel.3410:

No conspiracy….. they pulled the legendary team off the project(that we had paid for) to help with living world while they had 70 extra employees working on a new expansion

They were put on hold because the team was pulled.

To fix a different problem which was of far graver nature, content drought.

You are complaining about arenanet maximising ressources to provide the best most player experience.

Dashingsteel.3410:

I believe the company’s moral compass was questioned in the ops original post……. My entries are in regard to that…….. so I guess you are mistaken when you say that my posts have nothing to do with the topic creators post.

As I said, wide net. Why not bring politics into this as well, I’m sure you’ll find some people to agree there too.

My posts are commenting on Anet’s moral compass…… your posts responding to me actually have nothing to do with the ops original post

I believe the op is right to question Anet’s moral compass when it comes to their business practices

Sorry but Anet are prioritizing correctly. A lot more development effort goes into things like legendary weapons than you’d expect. I would much rather have more content and an early expansion than have to wait for the rest of the legendaries, and this is coming from someone who is a collector (I have one of each except shield, except two staffs and now two swords thanks to latest ep).

@Dashingsteel, I understand your point but imo it is a bit ridiculous to complain about something that you don’t need anyway. It’s like you complain about a bad airline you heard about but you never used it.

@ProtoGunner….. This may seem ridiculous to you but what if in the next expansion they decide to infinitely delay the feature that most interested you and while you sit there waiting for that feature you wanted Anet is busy working on yet another expansion while the feature you paid for gets ignored.

Dashingsteel.3410:

Yeah, why bother delivering on what you advertised since only a few people care

They are delivering on it. They just won’t be finished before the new expansion comes out. They are being worked on and coming one (or two) per living story episode.

You may not like their timeline but they are delivering on the promise.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Dashingsteel.3410:

I will define it as false advertising if any of those 16 legendary weapons attatched to the legendary journies entry is put behind a 2nd expansion paywall.

Then I guess you’ll have to do that because they are unlikely to finish a set before the next expansion and imo the next Legendaries will require the new expansion since they’re going to want people to play the new content, not the old.

They’ve already stated that the remainder of the Second set of Legendary weapons will not require the new expansion. They will be available to anyone who owns HoT when they’re ready.

@Pifil… Actually they didn’t deliver what they advertised as legendary journies has been scrapped for something less complex….. They also didn’t deliver on the regular intervals advertisement as the legendary weapons were delayed indefinitely for a time…… I do remember them saying that the next expansion wouldn’t hamper HoT ……. but again that was false because they wouldn’t have been “Stretched too thin” if they didn’t have 70 employees working on the next expansion

Pifil.5193:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Dashingsteel.3410:

I will define it as false advertising if any of those 16 legendary weapons attatched to the legendary journies entry is put behind a 2nd expansion paywall.

Then I guess you’ll have to do that because they are unlikely to finish a set before the next expansion and imo the next Legendaries will require the new expansion since they’re going to want people to play the new content, not the old.

They’ve already stated that the remainder of the Second set of Legendary weapons will not require the new expansion. They will be available to anyone who owns HoT when they’re ready.

They’ll need the various Gifts from HoT I presume.

New expansion is released.
New Legendaries are released.

Cue multiple forum threads complaining about needing to leave the new expansion to go play in the old one to get the various, required HoT Gifts and how it’s impossible with no one on those maps.