Guild Wars 2

I don’t know if its because I just suck or if the warrior is too weak,
but in my opinion it is the latter.

for example. i have a thief as well and the thief not only has stealth when it heals, but also has regeneration. the warrior has only a weak regeneration or a pretty good heal.
example 2. the necromancer or thief i have can kill things it takes my warrior forever to kill, in a shorter amount of time. No matter what weapon i use the warrior cannot kill the mob quicker or cannot more mobs.
example 3. the average warrior build gets destroyed by the average anything else build.
you have to either go glass cannon or full defense or you’ll die. kind of all or nothing.
example 4. some of the traits that the warrior has aren’t good enough for level 80. like the deep strike. +40 for each signet is good at first. but I’ve did some math (which may be incorrect) and you get around 2.33% increase to critical chance for each 50 precision.

there is more but i cannot remember at this moment.
note: this is my first time posting anything so i am kind of lost and i hope i did this correctly. and in the right place so it doesn’t get deleted.

Until the last paragraph i REALLY thought this was a very good troll.
War is the highest dps in the game (to the point where in some high level pve content, is one of the only 2/3 sought classes, arguably more then the other 2), i have no idea how you can kill stuff faster with a necro, but you should REALLY visit the war forum for a few good builds.

That or share your necro build on their forum

PS: if i just got trolled, my hat to you sir, very well done indeed

warrior has imo the biggest burst damage in the game
either you have the wrong gear or wrong traits or wrong weapons
mace in main hand e.g.
and u also have at least 3 viable options
berserker gear(glass cannon), knight gear(bruiser) and soldier gear(tank)
as well as a mix of them
for viable traiting just look in the warrior forum or look at that video by strife015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FllmiRsnjk&list=PLzYy8FVzP3HauPQvucrlqudKTQFkoa4kg&index=2

wow then 2 things. i just cannot make a build. and i suck.

Njordfinn.4921:

warrior has imo the biggest burst damage in the game
either you have the wrong gear or wrong traits or wrong weapons

False. My Warrior with all exotic Berserker gear and ascended (back and rings) does less burst damage than my full exotic Berserker thief.
Hundred Blades: 25k crit (all the way through if not then is it usually 19-21k) over 3seconds.
Mug+CnD+Backstab:4k+5k+12k= 21k less than 1 second ( I don’t think I have had a run where my thief doesn’t crit).

As you can see the thief has better “burst”. Burst meaning damage in a short amount of time. 21k in less than a second or 25k in 3 seconds. This is why in tPvP you always see thieves instead of warriors.

However, my Warrior has better dps than my thief. Due to my auto attacks on warrior going at 2kish a hit where as my thief runs at around 1kish a hit.

i like the warrior but there are just a few things that.. i forgot.
but you just helped prove my point. 3 options. glass cannon. bruiser and tank. any mixing of the 3 will lead to death.
oh and there are a few things that just suck. like the regeneration. there were others but i don’t have the best memory.

Warriors are awesome. I recommend you check out the wiki and various builds and read up on them. You’ll become a much better player very quickly.

Vanthian.9267:

Njordfinn.4921:

warrior has imo the biggest burst damage in the game
either you have the wrong gear or wrong traits or wrong weapons

False. My Warrior with all exotic Berserker gear and ascended (back and rings) does less burst damage than my full exotic Berserker thief.
Hundred Blades: 25k crit (all the way through if not then is it usually 19-21k) over 3seconds.
Mug+CnD+Backstab:4k+5k+12k= 21k less than 1 second ( I don’t think I have had a run where my thief doesn’t crit).

As you can see the thief has better “burst”. Burst meaning damage in a short amount of time. 21k in less than a second or 25k in 3 seconds. This is why in tPvP you always see thieves instead of warriors.

However, my Warrior has better dps than my thief. Due to my auto attacks on warrior going at 2kish a hit where as my thief runs at around 1kish a hit.

You forgot to consider that Warrior’s Hundred Blades hits more than one target.

Rhysati.4932:

Vanthian.9267:

Njordfinn.4921:

warrior has imo the biggest burst damage in the game
either you have the wrong gear or wrong traits or wrong weapons

False. My Warrior with all exotic Berserker gear and ascended (back and rings) does less burst damage than my full exotic Berserker thief.
Hundred Blades: 25k crit (all the way through if not then is it usually 19-21k) over 3seconds.
Mug+CnD+Backstab:4k+5k+12k= 21k less than 1 second ( I don’t think I have had a run where my thief doesn’t crit).

As you can see the thief has better “burst”. Burst meaning damage in a short amount of time. 21k in less than a second or 25k in 3 seconds. This is why in tPvP you always see thieves instead of warriors.

However, my Warrior has better dps than my thief. Due to my auto attacks on warrior going at 2kish a hit where as my thief runs at around 1kish a hit.

You forgot to consider that Warrior’s Hundred Blades hits more than one target.

Even if I were to hit all three targets it might equal out over 3 seconds. In one second of damage I would take 21k over 8,333 damage to 3 targets. In PvP 8k ish damage round robin is pale compared to downing a person in a second. Many a classes can hit for 8k damage in one second and not self root themselves.

Also, the claim still stands and is still correct. Burst, meaning damage up front not after 3 seconds, from a thief is more reliable and can be more defensive than a Warrior.

Cryostrike.2948:

i like the warrior but there are just a few things that.. i forgot.
but you just helped prove my point. 3 options. glass cannon. bruiser and tank. any mixing of the 3 will lead to death.

Well yeah, if you’re going to mix you should expect to be weaker in certain areas compared to someone who went full blown into specific ones. This is the penalty for hybridizing, so you’ll have to build yourself around the penalty.

I play a thief but EVEN I know the warrior does way more damage output. Yeah thieves got heartseeker but it’s a waste until the player or mob gets half way down, then it’s dangerous than the other skills, but a warrior is pretty awesome BUT again, maybe your thief is more geared in power/precision/crit than your warrior is… With those 3 stats, any class can do a good job killing mobs.

Vanthian.9267:

Even if I were to hit all three targets it might equal out over 3 seconds. In one second of damage I would take 21k over 8,333 damage to 3 targets. In PvP 8k ish damage round robin is pale compared to downing a person in a second. Many a classes can hit for 8k damage in one second and not self root themselves.

Also, the claim still stands and is still correct. Burst, meaning damage up front not after 3 seconds, from a thief is more reliable and can be more defensive than a Warrior.

Your argument is correct, and is indeed why Thieves are more popular than Warriors in PvP. That said, the Warrior has a huge advantage over the Thief in high-end PvE in the form of tankability, party-wide Fury/Might, tons of Vulnerability stacks, heavy armor class, highest base HP of any class (tied with Necro), etc. Both classes are very good for different things. Thieves are still good, too, don’t get me wrong, but I’m just trying to give some perspective to the other readers as to why Warriors are definitely not weak by contrast to other classes.

Rising Dusk.2408:

That said, the Warrior has a huge advantage over the Thief in high-end PvE in the form of tankability, party-wide Fury/Might, tons of Vulnerability stacks, heavy armor class, highest base HP of any class (tied with Necro), etc.

That’s not much of an advantage, especially not in a game which makes little to no use of endgame PvE.

Ansultares.1567:

Rising Dusk.2408:

That said, the Warrior has a huge advantage over the Thief in high-end PvE in the form of tankability, party-wide Fury/Might, tons of Vulnerability stacks, heavy armor class, highest base HP of any class (tied with Necro), etc.

That’s not much of an advantage, especially not in a game which makes little to no use of endgame PvE.

Only if you don’t want to play PvE endgame. If you are into PvE and do not like to PvP you can still try to get nice equipment out of the dungeons, get the dungeon master achievement and get to a nice level in the fractals + getting ascended stuff there.

Cryostrike.2948:

wow then 2 things. i just cannot make a build. and i suck.

Yeah you do.

Learn: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/75020-my-final-axemace-dps-dungeon-build/

You have the potential of having your warrior reach 3.5k attack rating without might stacks.
Granted this is not a pvp build, it’s just not viable for that. But try it in dungeons – you will love the damage output on this. It’s a pure GC, but with practice you will never go down unless you’re being a reckless buffoon.

Strife said in his guide that mace is good for control and trash mobs, but tbh, GS takes care of that. And you can use OMM for vuln.

HB does a minimum of 21k, 30k with full might stacks. (Assuming crit lands more often than not)
Eviscerate from axe will drop about 15-20k

Usual way of downing most mobs is – charge adrenaline, (immobilize is optional) then:
Whirlwind through mob > Rush to get back to the mob > HB > Switch to Axes > Eviscerate > Axe Whirling Attack, by now your GS skills (definitely HB) would have recharged. Rinse and repeat.

A quicker version of the combo is just HB > EVISC > WHIRL > HB (but by now anything but champions or vets will be dead)

If you are planning to run fractals or dungeons like TA/AC, get a berserker rifle P/P/Cdmg
the burst on it is sweet, plus you have vuln and bleed skills with it. Those need you to range sometimes, and for a GC, it’s sometimes good to own mobs from a distance. (Especially in TA)
Don’t rely on bleed though, since the build is not a condition one, if anything you’ll be adding to someone’s bleed stack by a bare minimum.

This combo has insane damage output. Enjoy your new found love for warrior.

Lol, first warrior complaint in ages. If there is a complaint its underwater.

Every single person that doesn’t have a Thief or Warrior just LOL’d when they read this thread. And every Necro is wondering what kick kitten beast of a Necro you managed to build that can kill faster than the worst Warrior.

You people should be banned from recruiting more Warriors and Thieves into your ranks.

umm i tested the warrior in pvp, thats where it sucks. and i have tried. alot of builds im pretty sure i dont suck since ive been getting top player for a while. in pve or dungeons its not that bad. but pvp is my main complaint

Quote: for example. i have a thief as well

I think the Op has been spoilt by playing the broken instawin burst class and has now tried warrior which actually requires skill and is stuck.

Warrior is great in pvp, especially wvw, but you have to learn to play it, and not expect ‘steal/mug/one skill/cnd macro’ 1.0 seconds player down and if not I’ll stealth away and try again later. Playing thief tends to make players sloppy as when they make a mistake it’s easy to escape and come back. Make a mistake on most other classes and you will be facedown in the dirt.

Of all the classes, warrior is the one I swop weapons on the most as circumstances warrant- and most of the time I have to decide in advance whether I’m about to go into battle with sword, shield, axe, double axe, horn, hammer, and ofc carry a rifle and a bow for shooting up onto walls. Knowing when to commit and being on vent/ts/mumble or whatever is also fairly important so you can time your leap/burst/aoe/or whatever with your teammates and wreck havok on the opposition.

Sokar, necros can be very effective and can take down warriors – but they aren’t going to burst the warrior down (well, not quite..), but they can beat them, pretty much like any class v class if played well when the other player isn’t as good.

Sometimes you don’t want to melee even if you like it as a warrior. Throw a rifle into your secondary slot, learn to roll away and weapon swap. Wait until your heal recharges then go back to melee.

There are dungeon bosses I wouldn’t want to melee anyway, but it can be done. With the exception of a few champions in high end zones, you should be able to take down most stuff in the world with a warrior.

Do you kite?

ITT people who think warrior is okay where it’s at because 100b can hit the highest of any move on non moving, scripted pve mobs

Mattidore.3482:

ITT people who think warrior is okay where it’s at because 100b can hit the highest of any move on non moving, scripted pve mobs

No one is forcing you to use greatsword though, everyone knows axes are more consistent dps than HB.

Recycle.5493:

Mattidore.3482:

ITT people who think warrior is okay where it’s at because 100b can hit the highest of any move on non moving, scripted pve mobs

No one is forcing you to use greatsword though, everyone knows axes are more consistent dps than HB.

Yeah but everyone is saying warrior has the highest dps in PVE. Which doesn’t matter when it comes to pvp, where warriors are quite lacklustre. But people in this thread are saying warrs are all good because100b hits so hard on scripted mobs

warrior = burst 100b build.

every other class is much more fun to play. man, my main is warrior and i made it because i love the warrior class in every other mmo i played. i enjoyed it until i made lvl 80 ele… then i made lvl 80 necro! then i made lvl 80 guard!! now im making mesmer and i think its gonna be !!!!!!!! compared to warrior.

i play warrior only for cof1 now… if i feel like it.

it might have good burst but it is so boring to play. every other class is way better.

Warriors have been overnerfed during BWEs because they were as strong as current Ele/Thief/Guard/Mes but other classes were still underdeveloped so they came off as OP.
Now that every class is fixed, Warrior should be un-castrated as well.

1) The adrenaline system needs a long look, so far the only adren skills that you really want to use are Combustive Shot and Killshot, everything else is a waste. Evis needs 400 range on gap closer, currently the leap is an impairment as people can outrun it.
2) Brawn needs to give at least 5/10/15% damage, 1/2/3% was clearly knee-jerk overnerfing.
3) Bolas needs faster projectile speed as currently people can out-walk it.
4) Rush/Bull need to connect more reliably.
5) Endure Pain needs a fix. You state a duration of 5 seconds in the tooltip, but it lasts 3 seconds. Again overnerfing.

Warriors are barely represented in sPvP, this should ring a bell Anet.

Cryostrike.2948:

wow then 2 things. i just cannot make a build. and i suck.

Dont give up buddy! Put a little effort in it and practice! Over all, learn the games mechanics

It looks like a lot to know, but with some dedication you will get better and better :-).

A warrior complaining about damage in PvE? Now I have seen everything.

Check builds on warrior forum, watch warriors soloing dungeons, get some gear, win.
You should do fine.

Average speedrun has 4 warriors and 1 mesmer

There’s nothing wrong with warriors. If anything they need a very big nerf.

It’s the problem with not splitting skills between pvp and pve. Some classes are weak in one mode while borderline OP in the other and changes made to balance one mode will often push the other one even further out of balance. Warriors are beasts in pve but they leave a bit to wish for in pvp while thieves and mesmers rock pvp but in pve they feel a bit lackluster (thieves in dungeons and mesmers in open world pve, especially DE farming).