Guild Wars 2

We need a villain race in game. Like in a galaxy far far away, sometimes you just want to be Sith. LA/Bioware said they were blown away by how many players chose the Dark Side at launch. We have Charr, but they are on the “Good Side”. Either we need a new villain player race or possibly have a split between Sylvari and the other races because of Scarlet. Have a real civil war.

Thoughts? Sometimes I just don’t want to wear the white hat, ya know?

ArenaNet wants the players to play on the good side, pretty much. Also, it wouldn’t make much sense to play an evil race without having two different factions, so that’s out of the window.

Wont happen, and I am glad it wont.

Maybe in WvW, like in LOTRO, Freeps and creeps?

Evon Skyfyre.9673:

Maybe in WvW, like in LOTRO, Freeps and creeps?

I consider the two other servers in WvW to be the villains. I mean, they keep killing my friends and capturing our towers and keeps! They must be stopped!

I think the game can use some more meaningful changes before thinking of this…

I just wish there was a way for it to feel more “Real”. Now the game is like a 9 to 5 job, we show up clock in do our shift and go home and watch TV. meh.. boring

The borg. I want the borg. Or the Dominion.

They should restart the chart/human war.

I’d love to play a “bad” character, like inquest or nightmare sylvari,

but the game isnt designed that way and would require a major overhaul to make it playable.

Maybe a new WxW, Faction v Faction. (with pve like maps, )

So the usual Open-PvP request from the Champions Online Forums now here .. really ?

Playing as Separatists, Nightmare Court, Inquest, Sons(/Daughters) of Svanir, and the Flame Legion simply is not possible. Aside from Sons of Svanir, and to some degree, Inquest, no other race will tolerate the more violent/hated factions within their cities for any reason. That being said, it also severely impacts the personal story as well, because Separatists would rather drag all the races into war than an alliance against an elder dragon, nightmare court would rather see zhaitan raze the Grove to the ground, Svanir would rather convert you to Dragon, and Flame Legion would prefer to burn you alive.

It also cuts you out of being able to do dungeons, whether explorable or story mode.

try a game called “Spec Ops: the Line”, you can truly experience how to play as a villain in that game. It’s pretty cheap http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-SOTL/spec-ops-the-line

or even watch a let’s play if you can’t afford it.

It’s unfortunately too late for doing that in the GW2 world; if the races were split from the beginning with open world pvp it could have worked, but its not possible to have this type of change now; it would require a complete redesign.

Unless of course you just mean brand new race that happens to have a evil bent, but doesn’t attack anyone; in that case I guess that can add a additional race with a additional capital, but yea I don’t really see a reason why they would want to do that either way.

Won’t happen in Carebear Wars. Not that is should happen either, though I could see some nice possibilities with the personal story and choosing your own path.

Ramiel.4931:

Won’t happen in Carebear Wars.

Wow .. first time i read that word since i quitted AION. And i really never want to read that again .. thats why i’m here and not in Gankland or Grieftown.

They will not make a playable villain race because GW2 doesn’t have world pvp.
And because while GW1 theme was the struggle of the humans against other humans, races and monsters, GW2 theme is Tyria united against the dragons. The only thing like a villain race that we have besides dragons are the antagonist factions from each race. Like sylvari an the Nightmare Court, norns and the Sons of Svanir, asura and the Inquest and so go on.

Beldin.5498:

Ramiel.4931:

Won’t happen in Carebear Wars.

Wow .. first time i read that word since i quitted AION. And i really never want to read that again .. thats why i’m here and not in Gankland or Grieftown.

Lol you should play Eve Online, you’ll love it ;D

Hehe jokes aside, GW2 is as non killer orientated as mmo’s go; only things left for killers are Trade Post PvP.

A opposing faction or race just cannot work with the way things have been designed.

inquest aren’t per se evil – they even have seats on the asuran council. they have a more ruthless approach to scientific experimentation etc, but they can get along with other asuras. so the lore would allow players to side with the inquest without putting them against all other players. but apart from the lore, the inquest are pretty much always enemies in game (be it open world or dungeons), which would have to change by adding friendly inquest as well to support such a feature and not make it seem totally out of place.

but apart from that, I think it doesn’t fit this game at all and doesn’t make much sense (our enemies are the elder dragons and their minions, in fact I think ANet should rather get them involved in the fight against these threats than trying to add a divide between players).

having multiple, oposing factions seems completely out of the question anyway, as that would mean each faction needs their own maps and there’d have to be pvp in open world if you meet someone from the other faction. it has been made pretty clear they don’t want that, and I wholeheartedly agree, if I want to fight other players, it should be by my choice in pvp, wvw or (hopefully someday friendly duels in pve), not getting ganked on a lowlvl character trying to do map completion (even though this doesn’t apply to me anymore, as I’ve got enough 80s already).

but, if you feel strongly about it, you decide your characters backstory yourself, just RP a flame legion char, a nightmare court sylvari, a son of svanir, a whitemantle/bandit or an inquest =)

Hi Evon!

Well… hmmmmmmm. I don’t know. I mean roleplayers in GW2 play:

Nightmare Courtiers
Separatists
Sons of Svanir
Norn females who venerate Jormag
Flame Legion
Inquest
Aetherblades

They do it quite well, from a roleplaying perspective. The personal story precludes this type of characterization and has to be ignored though, and I’m assuming that this is what you are referring to – villains more supported by the game’s official storytelling.

Casting an entire race as the villain does not seem in keeping with the style of the GW2 writing team. We can already see from the way GW2 adversaries are written that these supervillains don’t care about race, so much as their influences have limitations. Consider that Sylvari are not corruptible by the dragons (yet), and how Norn females appear to never be cast as Icebrood. Doubtless there are other interesting observations to be made about this.

Sexism is a bit of a different topic, since there’s a strongly-suggested example of sexism in the game, so I’ll split hairs on that for a moment. Jormag is probably not sexist per se. Rather, for some reason, Jormag is limited in its ability to bring females under its controlling influence. Sexism is a driver for those who venerate Dragon as Sons of Svanir (Jora killed their leader after all), but from the chair of the player, we see clearly that many males, and apparently all females are written such that they can resist the corrupting influence of Jormag. This puts them in a place of strength, not weakness. The sexism only exists at a lower level within the supervillain’s faction, and even then it only seems to be on display with a couple of NPCs. So as far as I’m concerned, these observations give the idea of sexism a real run for its money.

At least, that’s how I’ve always looked at it, based on the writing that I’ve seen. I’m a little biased though – one of the characters I developed happened to be a female norn that began venerating Dragon. And I am pretty sure that the good folks who have delved farther into the lore may take exception to what I’m saying. I’d love to read it and learn more, so perhaps they’ll send me a PM or something.

Anyway… I’m not saying I disagree. I’m saying that the momentum among the game writers seems to avoid our contemporary moral problems and classic lines of social division by race, gender, and orientation. I just can’t see them embracing the idea of a wholly villainous race.

I say change WvW, remove the 3 teams nonsense and have it a “faction” “free for all”. Just imagine it we could have up to 8+ sides all fighting each other!

Priory
Vigil
Whispers
Centaurs
Krait
Those evil Sylvari
Those evil humans (bandits/seperatists?)
Those evil Asura
Those evil Norn
Those evil Charr

The list could go on. Also with joining a faction for WvW we would not have to have this home server garbage possibly. There’s plenty they could do with enough thought to make this work and a heck of a lot more fun.

All these people calling separatists “evil”

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

Also this game desperately needs factions, WvWvW has a hard time for me at least getting in the whole “realm” pride thing, I don’t care about servers, I want to feel like I’m actually fighting something.

Like others said, anet want everyone to be on the same side and not participate in drama.

I mean, they even close the WvW matchup section.

Anet want to hide ugliness and portrait gw2 community as friendly.

Luxon… Kurzick.

Neither good nor evil. Unless you join one. Then you can be sure the other side is the evil one. With their juggernaught/turtles and their pale/tan complexions… With those beady little eyes you could never be sure what they were thinking…

Shame we won’t likely ever see them in GW2. Yes, we have WvW… Pity it doesn’t draw battle lines on the main PvE maps…

Luxon’s Rule!!
//Portable Corpse
Devout Luxon and Savoir of the Kurzicks (it made sense at the time…).

I don’t think an “evil” race or faction would work in GW2. I say this after having played City of Heroes and LOVING that you could make a villain (after City of Villains was added way back when). It’s a fun idea, but I don’t think it would work here.

However, I COULD see them implementing two or three different factions that disagree on how to go about things like fighting the dragons, and therefore butting heads with each other at times. Imagine a world event where there’s three separate events that can trigger the final fight, one event for each faction. One one event can be completed, but if none of them is completed in time, then the event fails. Only those that take part in the completing event get a reward for said event (and then everyone can get in on the climax event). So, only one group can “win”, and they do it by doing their event better/faster than the other two. No direct fighting, but still a contest.

I wouldn’t mind seeing an event or two like that. I wouldn’t mind seeing a couple more where all three events need to be completed for the final event to happen.

I guess we’ll just have to settle for an evil set of professions, necros and thieves

No we don’t. Not in this game.

Cassocaster.4576:

I guess we’ll just have to settle for an evil set of professions, necros and thieves

Necros aren’t evil. They’re just into recycling.

I would really like to play a dragon, like tequatl.. log in – bam! – loot bags from everyone unfortunate enough to be in vicinity… The rest of you evil minded people can be run off the mill risen, dragons are unique :O

I personally would love to play as a centaur. I know the limitations and such in regards to centaurs being playable, but if they could make it work, I’d be ecstatic. Plus, I really like how centaurs are portrayed in Guild Wars lore. They’re not your typical centaur in terms of looks, and I think that’s cool. Very unique! There really isn’t enough games like this where centaurs are customizable and playable.

If only… :\

Evon Skyfyre.9673:

We need a villain race in game. Like in a galaxy far far away, sometimes you just want to be Sith. LA/Bioware said they were blown away by how many players chose the Dark Side at launch. We have Charr, but they are on the “Good Side”. Either we need a new villain player race or possibly have a split between Sylvari and the other races because of Scarlet. Have a real civil war.

Thoughts? Sometimes I just don’t want to wear the white hat, ya know?

Are you saying that an entire race could be villainous? That’s racism, my friend. There are good humans and bad human, good Charr and bad Charr. Don’t judge a Charr until you’ve pet them.

Bandits, Fame Legion, Nightmare Court, Sons of Svanir, and Inquest… There are plenty of evil in the 5 core races.

I want to play those!

Cassocaster.4576:

I guess we’ll just have to settle for an evil set of professions, necros and thieves

Thieves are evil? Kind of saying Robin Hood is evil.

there is no inherently evil race, group or profession, with few exceptions

one of those are the Krait, who are as close to pure evil as we can get in the game, another is the Centaurs, though in their case it’s a little more grey, as they are viewed largely from the perspective of humans and their allies

even the dragons are not really evil, just very inconvenient for the rest of us (though Zhaitan was really pushing it with its fetish to turn hot Norn chicks into Risen)

Azure Prower.8701:

Cassocaster.4576:

I guess we’ll just have to settle for an evil set of professions, necros and thieves

Thieves are evil? Kind of saying Robin Hood is evil.

Yes, yes I am. Stealing, I’m afraid, is evil. All those benefactors of his kindness, well, they’re accomplices. As the queen of hearts would say, off with their heads.

(please note in no way to I profess to agreeing with the verdict and ensuing carnage, just that’s they way it would be handled, they killed people for poaching for god’s sake)

You want an villain Race? Here is something to think about.
We already got one!
The Sylvari! Why are they a villain race?
Think about it…

They are the only one Race who are immune to the influence of the known dragons…who else are immune?

Scarlet is a Silvary, in her story in mentioned, that she was not evil since the beginning, but something, something that was already in her, has awakened.

The pale tree, just started to spread generate the Sylvari, when the dragons awakened…that is the time when the first dragon champions showed up.

Here is the Theory, and i am not the first who mentioned it, but i truly believe. The pale tree is a in a good way corrupted dragon champion like glint.
And the Sylavris are meant to be minions of the jungle dragon.

Seabreeze.8437:

I personally would love to play as a centaur. I know the limitations and such in regards to centaurs being playable, but if they could make it work, I’d be ecstatic. Plus, I really like how centaurs are portrayed in Guild Wars lore. They’re not your typical centaur in terms of looks, and I think that’s cool. Very unique! There really isn’t enough games like this where centaurs are customizable and playable.

If only… :\

We had a Centaur hero (Companion) in GW1 named Zhed he was an ele.