Guild Wars 2

I knew it would. I wrote about the shortcomings of GW2 for a while now, but I still managed to find a reason to log in. I find an excuse to play GW2, never actually feeling the appeal I felt with WoW. But I kept going, until yesterday.

I wanted to play TA exp for that chest piece I’m missing. I started with a group, everything went smooth, as always. No wipes, no downs, awesome. Or is it? I felt the need to get out of there. I just couldn’t force myself play anymore. It’s bloody boring, I asked myself WHY am I doing this? So I apologized to the rest of the party and left.

What shall I do now, obviously I’m bored with the dungeons? Oh yeah, queue for some WvWvW. Anonymous zerg after zerg, no-real-point fighting… Right, let’s try some tPvP…

It took me just minutes to realize I’d best log out because NOTHING really manages to pull me into the game and keep me there. GW2 is just… Vague, bland. Not charismatic. Not managing to immerse me into the game play. I thought how weird that was.

Even now, the morning after, when I think about GW2 I feel no need at all to play the game. So what’s the missing piece? Actually there are several of missing pieces as far as I’m concerned. I’ll point them out one by one:

1) True open world PvP. I really am missing this. That constant feeling of competition, danger lurking out in the virtual world. It’s just awesome even though I can’t exactly put my finger on it, express it in words so that a person who doesn’t like that actually understands. It’s like the biggest thing for me, and WvWvW doesn’t even come close to it. MAYBE if ANet made their whole GW2 world one HUGE WvWvW, and kill the separate WvWvW instance. You know, you quest there, you gather materials there, you have huge fortresses you can cap and opposed factions, either by races or servers. But I do hate separate gear for WvWvW, for tPvP and PvE and separate instances. I wish it was all mixed up in one instance – one game. Lack of true open world PvP is the BIGGEST issue I’m having with GW2;

2) DEs. They are boring. Plain and simple. The lack of any complex, challenging mechanics in GW2 is killing the PvE content.

3) Dungeons. Poor design. Again lack of any deep, complex mechanics. Add the lack of rare drops from mobs/bosses and over-predictable token rewards and… YAWN

4) Shared nodes for everyone. Seriously? Care-bearing the game even further? I can understand what ANet initially wanted to achieve but… Really guys, it’s not working out. Yes, I prefer someone to STEAL my node that for it to be eternally waiting for me to mine it/chop it/harvest it. I want to steal someone’s node and feel “good” about it because hey, nodes are hard to find. Well, not in GW2. Everything is rainbows, hearts and unicorns. I miss the feeling of a “cruel”, unforgiving virtual world I have to SURVIVE in.

5) Community. Someone else said this already, and I agree completely. GW2 feels like a single player, co-op game and I’ve never felt more alone while playing it. Seriously. I don’t know why that is, exactly. No need for grouping? Zergs? Ability to be a member of multiple guilds simultaneously? There just isn’t that bond I found with other players like in WoW. Everything feels not-that-important and relative.

6) Crafting. Don’t get me started. Just boring and pointless.

7) tPvP. Lacks ladders and rankings. Ok I know that’s coming. I miss the DM arenas from WoW, I miss the CTF mode.

8) Skills. Ok having FIVE “main” skills per weapon, with weapon switching is NOT enough. It’s boring, really. I prefer having a plethora of abilities which I’ll be able to combine. If GW1 had only a handful of viable builds, it’s 2012. now! Make GW2 BETTER, make MORE viable builds with a lot of different skills! I don’t care, this really is boring like hell.

Let me say this before the hard-core fan-boys do: I would go back to WoW if it didn’t have the monthly fees. That and the graphics are the only thing GW2 did good. Ok, fort designs are awesome too, they feel big and believable. I really don’t want to waste tons of money constantly for a single game, nor do I want to feel obligated to log in as often as possible because I want my money worth. But GW2 lacks that “special something” to keep my attention.

I don’t have any insights whether GW2 is a success or a failure. Yes I’ve seen some graphs of people playing less and less. If ANet recognizes this as the truth, it should be a warning to them. I’m saying IF.

In which case, they should admit to themselves they started off in the wrong direction, and should change things. Drastically. I don’t think it’s too late. But I’m not sure if it’s possible either.

The whole post is intended to GW2 developers, I’m not asking for other people’s opinions that much because reading the forums – we all have a different one. If someone does feel like I do, however, let’s let GW2 devs know. I still kinda “care” what happens with GW2 because I do feel the potential that’s wasted, and maybe, just maybe things could change for the better? Bots and bugs aren’t their only concerns, honestly, because the game fundamentals were flawed from the day one.

True open world PvP alone would make me play GW2. I hate it that GW2 has separate PvP, separate PvE and separate WvWvW.

Honestly I read your whole post, and what I see you saying is that you prefer a different type of game. That’s okay nothing wrong with that. I hope you at least got your monies worth of entertainment.

Join the club. I play this game for pvp, and that part of the game is seriously lacking imo.

MrsAngelD.6971:

Honestly I read your whole post, and what I see you saying is that you prefer a different type of game. That’s okay nothing wrong with that. I hope you at least got your monies worth of entertainment.

Taking everything into account, I think you are right. Whatever type GW2 is, it’s not for me. At all. I was hoping it’s gonna be the next big thing but I’m just so disappointed. I’ve read things about it before release and, while I had my issues with it, I hoped it’s gonna work out in the end somehow. Needless to say it didn’t…

I agree with Mrs Angel. It sounds like you were looking for something different and there is nothing wrong with that.

A couple of years ago my cousin finally talked me into trying out WOW when I got a decent computer and connection. It was fun at first something new but after leveling my first toon I found myself logging in less and less. After three months I was bored and playing seemed more like a chore then fun. I let my subscription go. For me I found it hard to understand how people have played it for years. shrug

So far I’m really liking this game. It works for me for a number of reasons that WOW didn’t. I like it for a few of the reasons you don’t like it. Nothing wrong with that either. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

WvW needs more work, and sPvP needs both more work, and love, as it feels even more lacking than WvW (I’m not even bothering with it).

But, if you want ‘hardcore PvP’ and a harsh world, GW2 was never advertised as a game dedicated to it. Infact it does the opposite in terms of having a harsh world.

I suggest you try a certain game that is relaunching November 20th. I’m not sure I can mention the name of the game here, competition and all that, but that’s where I will be for my ‘harsh world and open world PvP’, try reading up on it.

I play GW2 for WvW mainly myself, and PvE farming as a means to and end for WvW, and so far the game has been what I expected it would be, although more grindy in terms of gold to fund WvW playtime. It’s not going to be the game for me that will fill all my ‘needs’, and probably never will for as long as ArenaNet wishes to please all possible audiences.

GW2 is a good ‘filler’ game however, and the lack of a sub really supports that playstyle for this game. Get your serious PvP fix somewhere else, and come back and try GW2 a bit again a few content patches/expansion later. I’m sure that’s exactly what ArenaNet aimed for anyhow.

Tirid.9514:

This ain’t WoWars 2 most of stuff you hate they said will be in game even before beta.(node share,no open world pvp,weapon bound skills etc.)
So i guess you can only blame your self for buying game you either did 0 research or imagined in your own head what it is.
DE are boring and not complex……..yeah like killing 10 undead and finding 5 flowers was really complex before.
Only thing i little bit agree is dungeon part but im guessing they will be improved.

If you’d bother reading the whole post you’d realize I did inform myself before buying. I just hoped it’s not gonna be as bad as it is. And why the heck do you feel the need to flame a guy? Does it make you feel better about yourself? Are you angry I don’t enjoy “your” game as much as you do? Seriously, I’d like to know.

On topic, how could I have forgotten the downed state. Yuck… And just how many loading screens do I have to look at? Even in tPvP when I am defeated, I have to look at the loading screen before reappearing on the starting point. (!?)

The OP makes some very good points. Most compelling is the comment about the game feeling bland and vague and missing something. I really liked this game at first but now I find it lacks the addiction factor MMO’s must have. I suppose I am in the minority that does not like the graphics all that much. I dont find the world immersive and it lacks atmosphere. Some of the artwork is stunning, and Divinities Reach is amazing, but after a short while fairly shallow. Its pretty but thats about all.

I did something I was sure I would not do and tried playing MOP and immediately noticed the difference. Ok the graphics are looking tatty, but the game does draw you in and make you feel part of it, not a spectator. There is also so much more to do. I am not at all sure I can re enter the WOW fray for long but it does still have something.

TSW has me hooked, its incredibly atmospheric. I like its graphics, its voice acting and characterisation and it has a brilliant skill system. The instances are clever, and the game is challenging. After playing it GW2 seems really shallow and childish. Still its new, and has promise, so we shall see. Now I have purchased it, its also free. I cant help wonder though if that business model really promotes continual development and improvement in the same way a subscription model does. It seems unlikely.

Raging Bull.5048:

MrsAngelD.6971:

Honestly I read your whole post, and what I see you saying is that you prefer a different type of game. That’s okay nothing wrong with that. I hope you at least got your monies worth of entertainment.

Taking everything into account, I think you are right. Whatever type GW2 is, it’s not for me. At all. I was hoping it’s gonna be the next big thing but I’m just so disappointed. I’ve read things about it before release and, while I had my issues with it, I hoped it’s gonna work out in the end somehow. Needless to say it didn’t…

well I sincerely hope you can find a game that suits you better. I personally didn’t care for it but you might consider the secret world, and a lot of people have found it to be more their cup of tea.

I agree that the game is missing something. Its too easy. Very little satisfaction when I accomplish something. Orr is just mobs thrown at me willy nilly. Its not hard…its a swarm of the same stuff over and over. I really wanted to love this game, but its just ok. It is missing that spark…the thing that makes a game addicting.

I love PvP in other games, but WvWvW is soooo boring. Its just siege engine war. I rather you have to fight in a keep to hold it. Not zerg on zerg, siege engines from afar….arrow carts just laying waste to large groups at once.

I guess mainly I dont care about my character. There are no real goals. Nothing “cool” to hope to accomplish. Oh I will keep playing for now, cause its something to do. But if a new game comes out that seems up my alley…I’m gone.

Anatarin.7018:

The OP makes some very good points. Most compelling is the comment about the game feeling bland and vague and missing something. I really liked this game at first but now I find it lacks the addiction factor MMO’s must have. I suppose I am in the minority that does not like the graphics all that much. I dont find the world immersive and it lacks atmosphere. Some of the artwork is stunning, and Divinities Reach is amazing, but after a short while fairly shallow. Its pretty but thats about all.

I did something I was sure I would not do and tried playing MOP and immediately noticed the difference. Ok the graphics are looking tatty, but the game does draw you in and make you feel part of it, not a spectator. There is also so much more to do. I am not at all sure I can re enter the WOW fray for long but it does still have something.

TSW has me hooked, its incredibly atmospheric. I like its graphics, its voice acting and characterisation and it has a brilliant skill system. The instances are clever, and the game is challenging. After playing it GW2 seems really shallow and childish. Still its new, and has promise, so we shall see. Now I have purchased it, its also free. I cant help wonder though if that business model really promotes continual development and improvement in the same way a subscription model does. It seems unlikely.

Is TSW a subscription based game?

Raging Bull.5048:

Is TSW a subscription based game?

Unfortunately yes (which is the main reason I’m not going to play it, even though it does sound a very fun game)

Another thing that I believe GW2 is lacking – profession distinction.

Professions/classes in GW2 don’t really feel unique enough. Again, I am not offering a “solution” to this as it’s a complex matter. I just offer my observation.

Ranger pets feel more like a gimmick than a competent companion. And only one pet skill a player can control, everything else is up to the pet to randomly use when not on cool down? WoW hunters are Science Fiction, a bloody space shuttle for GW2 rangers.

Same goes for other classes.

EVE. Yes, I like that game. Again, subscriptions are “stopping” me. And I wasn’t asking for advice, I was just telling developers what I think and how I feel like. My money is the same as yours, and so are our rights to have an opinion of the product we paid for.

Raap, yeah, I knew that but I was hoping that it would change my mind once I got to play it. And yes I agree that moderators can be too strict sometimes here.

This game feels like a single player RPG. They made it too easy to complete tasks by yourself. GW1 had the perfect balance, where you could solo areas with henchies/heroes but you needed a human team for the higher end areas.

And another thing, dungeons are horrendous in GW2. Every monster seems to have 20k health and does 2k per autoattack. There’s very little skill involved, just run for your life while hopefully doing some damage. GW1 dungeons and high end areas needed strategy and teamwork to complete.

If you feel like this game isn’t as fun as you had expected, just remember this: you own this game forever. If it’s boring, take a break. Set it aside for a month or two, wait for Anet to add more content and balance tweaks or whatever else you feel is missing, and then try again. This is why I love the no subscription fee model, I can always set the game down and pick it back up when it’s interesting again.

Okamifujutsu.1458:

If you feel like this game isn’t as fun as you had expected, just remember this: you own this game forever. If it’s boring, take a break. Set it aside for a month or two, wait for Anet to add more content and balance tweaks or whatever else you feel is missing, and then try again. This is why I love the no subscription fee model, I can always set the game down and pick it back up when it’s interesting again.

This is why I post my issues to these forums. If I had no hope things could change, I’d just forget about GW2 because until/unless things drastically change for the better, I won’t be playing it.

Raging Bull.5048:

Raap, yeah, I knew that but I was hoping that it would change my mind once I got to play it. And yes I agree that moderators can be too strict sometimes here.

Heh, well as you noticed my second post was also deleted and infracted for. I wish you luck mate, I’m going to have to stop posting here now.

Jeez, that post deletion and infraction was quick and efficient.
You mods here should ask for a payraise and start banning botters in-game with the same efficient ruthlessness. :P

And yes kind Sir Raging Bull, EVE Online is indeed the only game currently that would satisfy your urges.
And I´m very glad that ANet isn´t following in its footsteps. The griefers can happily kitten each other up in the mists and I can happily battle the DR for my mats.

The last thing I need is fight botters and fellow players for the nodes.
Rainbows and sunshine galore for me plz, thnx very much.

Dude, no offense, but you’ve been crying since day 1 that you don’t like “this, and that, and this, and that” … masochistic much?
If you don’t like the game, don’t play it. I know you invested money and you might feel that you were “cheated” or whatever, but I’m pretty positive that you got your moneys worth in this game…and then some.

The best thing is, you can stop playing, enjoy something else (personally, I’m actually considering going back to WoW, but same as you, I don’t agree with spending too much money on a game) and then come back and enjoy GW2 when it becomes something closer to what you wish it to become. IF it does. If, on the other hand, it doesn’t become something you will like better, you still got at least 80+ hours of playing GW2 which is more than you get for some other games that you payed the same amount of money for. (ili koje nisi maznuo sa neta :P)

My advice… take a break. Lurk on the forums from time to time, and when you see changes that satisfy you, try it out. If it’s good, then enjoy your playtime some more, if it’s not, well, you wait some more.

I believe issues you mentioned are not some design aspect of a new mmo playstyle. They are results of a poor game mechanics design. It feels like the game designers took evreything into account but not the players psychology. Every selling point in this game is something great however interaction with them is very poor. Long story short the game is something like an empty yet beautiful shell.

GW2 needs freedom to play and everything you touch turns into restrictions or repetitive no brainer gameplay.

I feel with you guys.
It’s kind of sad that this game is so “unfinished”. It has lost almost all it’s initial glory due strange content restrictions.

I once posted here a message in a kind of metaphorical way that my char is going to leave Tyria for a while until things are getting back to “normal”.
Well..the post just got deleted with the reason “not constructive”.

If this is the way A-Net is dealing with concerns of players who are trying to dedicate themselves to their game, i fear Tyria will become the most beautiful “Ghostworld” online.

Anyway, i still have hope.

Excelsior, my friends.

boris.1248:

I believe issues you mentioned are not some design aspect of a new mmo playstyle. They are results of a poor game mechanics design. It feels like the game designers took evreything into account but not the players psychology. Every selling point in this game is something great however interaction with them is very poor. Long story short the game is something like an empty yet beautiful shell.

GW2 needs freedom to play and everything you touch turns into restrictions or repetitive no brainer gameplay.

Very well put. The things you mentioned definitely ring a bell.

@Rock – I am not crying. That’s what forums are for, and I am posting here (“crying”) for so long because I was playing the game during that time. AND as I said, my “crying” has a purpose. I want things to change. I’m not trying to complain just for the sake of complaining.

Some of the things you say in the OP have some resonance with me (not the combat and certainly not the shared nodes) and I could add a few more (appalling loot itemisation, archaic inflexible levelling system etc.) However, Guild Wars 2 makes up for all of that and much more for me, by being the best exploring/PvE game I’ve ever seen. The quality and quantity of open world PvE easily exceeds everything else, despite the fact that there are still a lot of glitches. Also I can’t agree about the combat system, but it only really shines when you take on a level of difficulty, which is higher than the default balance (by playing over level say) or come across an event that is in it’s sweetspot with respect to number of players participating (often just two or three).

The above is a playstyle that isn’t suited to everyone, although other people in my guild have found a way to fit the game around their tastes too. But, its probably too much to expect that all MMOs players are going to be happy – and don’t some of the things that aren’t too positive about the game arise from Arenanet trying to please everyone (such as open world PvE & events being too easy etc.) and falling between several stools in many cases?

I thought of something I consider good regarding GW2 – jumping puzzles. They are awesome. I love it how they are seamlessly integrated into the world, discrete but noticeable. I only wish they lasted longer and were a bit more complex than they are. Also, their numbers should greatly increase. But overall a really good feature.

Not everything is black and white, world functions in the shades of gray. GW2 HAS potential. I hope the developers will manage to hit the sweet-spot with this game.

roqoco.4053:

\But, its probably too much to expect that all MMOs players are going to be happy – and don’t some of the things that aren’t too positive about the game arise from Arenanet trying to please everyone (such as open world PvE & events being too easy etc.) and falling between several stools in many cases?

This is indeed the truth. If you try to please everyone, you will in the end please no one completely. They should pick their direction and stick with it through thick and thin.

I’ve been feeling pretty much the same way but keep trying different things to see if I can make it work. I’ve grudgingly come to the conclusion that this probably isn’t the game for me. I don’t like the way you have to run around in a group of 20+ to get anything done. Solo is a nightmare, some of the mobs can take you down in 2 or 3 hits while it takes 20+ hits to scratch them. And it’s not like you can easily avoid them with the way they aggro from distances where they’re barely visible and you are forced to kite around like a lunatic in every single fight. My hero’s feel about as heroic as a new born kitten sometimes.

A bunch of us came across the wasp queen earlier. We were all levelled down for the area. We basically just queued up to be one-shotted. This is fun? Not for me. It seems that while events scale up for multiple players, etc. they don’t scale down to make them doable if there isn’t a huge group about to roll over them.

I know the game was only launched a short while ago and they have a long way to go but with all the stalled events, broken skillpoints, bot invasion and ridiculously strong mobs, I’m finding it more frustrating than fun.

4) Shared nodes for everyone.

I’m fine with yoru other points but not this. Having limited resources is fine. That is already controlled by the long respawn timers and 24 hour timers.

We really don’t need to have yet 1 more limiting factor built on top of it.

That level of scarcity is just as artificial as GW2 implementation but I do feel GW2 does a better job here of making it feel that even though resources are limited, they aren’t so limited that you can’t scoop up some mineral just because someone in the area just did so a second earlier.

ounkeo.9138:

4) Shared nodes for everyone.

I’m fine with yoru other points but not this. Having limited resources is fine. That is already controlled by the long respawn timers and 24 hour timers.

We really don’t need to have yet 1 more limiting factor built on top of it.

That level of scarcity is just as artificial as GW2 implementation but I do feel GW2 does a better job here of making it feel that even though resources are limited, they aren’t so limited that you can’t scoop up some mineral just because someone in the area just did so a second earlier.

Honestly I am comparing everything with WoW. It is by no means a perfect game, but in my opinion it does certain things best. Crafting/gathering materials being one of them. It carries more weight collecting materials in WoW than it does in GW2. It just doesn’t feel satisfactory. I really can’t offer any comprehensive explanation of why that is, it just is.

Ok, you like Wow better, that´s fine. But why the hell did you have to make this post?
Seriously I don´t get it. Do you think arena is sudddenly going to change this into WOW 2 (And lossing most of it´s playerbase you know the ones that are here because it is NOT wow) Why id you even “force” yourself to play this game to beginn with?
That´s an honest question I just don´t get it.

Raging Bull.5048:

EVE. Yes, I like that game. Again, subscriptions are “stopping” me. And I wasn’t asking for advice, I was just telling developers what I think and how I feel like. My money is the same as yours, and so are our rights to have an opinion of the product we paid for.

Raap, yeah, I knew that but I was hoping that it would change my mind once I got to play it. And yes I agree that moderators can be too strict sometimes here.

$15/mo is a lot to some people, not a lot to others, but compared to other things you could do to entertain yourself it is still pretty cheap. Especially if you really feel EVE or TSW is the right game to be playing, and can keep you hooked for awhile, I wouldn’t begrudge a monthly fee. And as someone (was that you?) mentioned, there may be more incentive for continual development in games with monthly fees.

@Athaulf – I don’t think there is a problem with the OP at all. It’s not uncivil or whiny, just somewhat robustly expressed and that’s fine. And further it has resulted in a discussion and not a flame war, which is positive. You may not agree with the all the op’s points – I don’t. As to whether GW2 will change, it’s more likely to evolve and maybe it can evolve in a better direction as a result of people frankly expressing their views rather than either sucking up or uselessly raging.

I’m in the same boat as you OP. It was actually just about an hour ago, when I realized that this game just isn’t giving me any more satisfaction. I never played WoW, so I can’t compare it to that.

I’ve got a 80 Thief, which I stopped because endgame was boring. Then I made a Ranger, it was fun while it lasted. I got up to level 76 on it before the game just got so bland. I’m at the 70-75 area, and it feels like I’m the only one there. Honestly, only like 2 people talk on the map chat, and I play on Darkhaven which is a full server.

DE’s are so boring, just a big zergfest. The storyline feels like a chore. And dungeons are just so unrewarding imho. I miss that leveling takes a while, it was something to look forward to. I used to play Korean grinder MMOs, so I kind of miss killing things over and over to level up.

The game is supposed to encourage grouping, but for what? As OP said, the game feels like a solo game with a co-op option. The only time I’ve actually had fun with a group is when I’m with my friends in Divinity’s Reach screwing around.

GW2 though, did provide me with a good amount of entertainment. I can only hope that ANet will bring new things to game, as in open world PvP(No, not like W3). As it is right now, the game feels too easy and bland.

To the OP: Well it just looks like you don’t like GW2. That’s okay, there are plenty of other games to pick from.

My family and I are having a blast in GW2. It is simply the best MMO we have ever played. Period.

MrsAngelD.6971:

Honestly I read your whole post, and what I see you saying is that you prefer a different type of game. That’s okay nothing wrong with that. I hope you at least got your monies worth of entertainment.

This. These are not the droids you are…errhhh this is not the type of game you want. I would move along, and come back from time to time, when you feel like it

Athaulf.1530:

Ok, you like Wow better, that´s fine. But why the hell did you have to make this post?
Seriously I don´t get it. Do you think arena is sudddenly going to change this into WOW 2 (And lossing most of it´s playerbase you know the ones that are here because it is NOT wow) Why id you even “force” yourself to play this game to beginn with?
That´s an honest question I just don´t get it.

I explained twice why I made this post, and if you still can’t get it… I’ll refrain myself from continuing as I don’t need an infraction.

I don’t think ANet will change GW2, I HOPE they will. Which player base is “minority” or “majority” only ANet knows, we can only guess, or LIE that we know in order to sound more important that the guy with a different opinion, calling them “vocal minority”. And I don’t wish for WoW2, I wish for certain features that worked better in WoW (in my opinion) to be used by GW2. It doesn’t have to be in identical way, ANet could iterate further.

You, dude, need an attitude change. I can have a dialogue with people whose opinions differ from mine just fine, as you can conclude based on this whole thread so far. You, however, are just being rude for no reason at all.

Raging Bull.5048:

ounkeo.9138:

4) Shared nodes for everyone.

I’m fine with yoru other points but not this. Having limited resources is fine. That is already controlled by the long respawn timers and 24 hour timers.

We really don’t need to have yet 1 more limiting factor built on top of it.

That level of scarcity is just as artificial as GW2 implementation but I do feel GW2 does a better job here of making it feel that even though resources are limited, they aren’t so limited that you can’t scoop up some mineral just because someone in the area just did so a second earlier.

Honestly I am comparing everything with WoW. It is by no means a perfect game, but in my opinion it does certain things best. Crafting/gathering materials being one of them. It carries more weight collecting materials in WoW than it does in GW2. It just doesn’t feel satisfactory. I really can’t offer any comprehensive explanation of why that is, it just is.

certainly, I think crafting in WoW had a bit more value but as I recall from Vanilla, I had to fight with a lot of gold farmers for the nodes. On Windrunner, they were camped 24/7. It got better after the expacs but still, I’m not a fan of a system where it is easy to grief other players.

I would say that your comparisons fail on a few points.. WoW is purely a grind anything never changes. Having 3 level 85s so i know. Played it since vanilla..

And if you dont like GW2 why even bother to write about it.. really?

Oh and true open world pvp, you mean you like to gank lowbies? :P

This is only IMO. But yeah. Go back to WoW: MoP and stop complaining about a really good game people enjoy playing!

Alucardrx.8930:

DEar OP. You seem to suffer from a known disease called WOWits. It’s symptoms are:

- comparing every aspect of the game you play with wow with prejudice towards the newest game you are trying
- missing dearly wow but not returning
- an unfinished case of addiction towards wow
- trying to prove to yourself that all games are not as good as wow till you convince yourself to return

The case here is simple. For some reason you decided to move away from wow, maybe a desperate attempt to solve your addiction, maybe you got bored from the same features you praise, but the fact is that you are clearly fooling yourself in Guild Wars 2 or any other MMORPG.

You don’t want to be in another MMORPG. You want to be in wow. You come to any new MMORPG to immediately bash it and not try to have fun. All you want is to prove to yourself that they are not as good as wow.

I suggest going back there and finish your addiction (psycological one) with World of Warcraft. Many players have become like you and i understand that it is hard to forget something that owns you.

Still it is your only way of ever having fun again in the world of MMORPG. You see a dilemma. You got bored of wow but everything else isn’t as good as wow for you. What you are forgetting to see is that wow isn’t all that thing, but like our kids we tend to see only the best of them.

It’s up to you to return to wow and end your addiction. Only then you will be able to enjoy another MMORPG free of guilty of betraying your beloved one. It’s not about Guild Wars 2 or any other MMORPG you might get from now on. It’s about your unfinished businss with your wow addiction.

This is exactly what I think is the problem with a lot of people these days. The sad thing is that they probably don´t even realise that they are addicted.

Blizzard really did a “good” job.

Alucardrx.8930:

DEar OP. You seem to suffer from a known disease called WOWits. It’s symptoms are:

- comparing every aspect of the game you play with wow with prejudice towards the newest game you are trying
- missing dearly wow but not returning
- an unfinished case of addiction towards wow
- trying to prove to yourself that all games are not as good as wow till you convince yourself to return

The case here is simple. For some reason you decided to move away from wow, maybe a desperate attempt to solve your addiction, maybe you got bored from the same features you praise, but the fact is that you are clearly fooling yourself in Guild Wars 2 or any other MMORPG.

You don’t want to be in another MMORPG. You want to be in wow. You come to any new MMORPG to immediately bash it and not try to have fun. All you want is to prove to yourself that they are not as good as wow.

I suggest going back there and finish your addiction (psycological one) with World of Warcraft. Many players have become like you and i understand that it is hard to forget something that owns you.

Still it is your only way of ever having fun again in the world of MMORPG. You see a dilemma. You got bored of wow but everything else isn’t as good as wow for you. What you are forgetting to see is that wow isn’t all that thing, but like our kids we tend to see only the best of them.

It’s up to you to return to wow and end your addiction. Only then you will be able to enjoy another MMORPG free of guilty of betraying your beloved one. It’s not about Guild Wars 2 or any other MMORPG you might get from now on. It’s about your unfinished businss with your wow addiction.

Woah, this is a real gem. So let me summarize your post:

- I, although clearly being obsessed with WoW, stopped playing it, and now I keep spending money on other games trying to NOT have fun with the intention to bash them?

That’s… Just woah, mind blowing.

People aren’t having WoW addiction symptoms. WoW simply does things best (in opinion of us addicts) and it’s only natural to compare other games with it. WoW isn’t perfect, far from it, I could write an essay on what I’d like changed there, but on the current game market there isn’t a worthy competitor.

I’ve played WoW for 7 years. Monthly subscriptions became too much to handle and they put a stress on me to log in as often as possible, making me feel guilty if I missed a moment not using my paid game time.

By the way, you aren’t helping GW2 by “defending” it. The game clearly needs to evolve, a lot. It might not be in the direction I am wishing for, but it does need to evolve a lot. I said this in one thread before, and I’ll say it again: justice – fan boys who claim this is as good as it gets should keep playing this version of GW2 forever, while the others get to play the patched content.

You know, the worst “friends” are the ones that pat you on the back all the time, telling you you’re perfect just the way you are. You should appreciate criticism, especially one that is aimed at your well-being.