Master of all Professions
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Hi guys,
Question to you all—because it just hit me. This thread is in regards to people who think due to the ascended gear addition, exotics were not worth it to get. But through my eyes, they were worth it to me—why? Because I went for them for the skin majorly, most of the basis for my armor stats comes from transmutation. In Gw2 currently pre-patch, exotics have the widest range of skins to date. Hearing the ascended additions, I doubt the releases would amount to the number of exotic skins out there right now and who knows if they even look good.
Anyways, I just hope everyone got their exotics based on looks and you’ll probably want to keep those looks if the ascended gear looks ugly. Just saying exotics haven’t lost their value.
So the question is now: Why did you get your exotic? I got mine for the skin because stat-wise, they didn’t have the stats I wanted so I had to grind specifically for them or go buy them from the TP.
Let’s refrain from turning this into a stat/ascended gear/broken promise/manifesto debate. Please and thank you!
I actually only use one exotic skin, which is my pistol. Everything else is lower-tier skins skinned onto exotics.
(The thing is, if the “ascended” gear rollout is as slow as they claim, most of your exotic gear will be top-of-the-line for a really long time. I dislike the idea of the new gear, but it doesn’t obsolete most of my equipment.)
I got my main crafted exotic set for the max stats then transmuted the looks to Norn tier 2 armor, because leatherworking exotic (emblazoned set) didn’t look that great IMO.
I have the exotic duelist set (the slightly skimpy assassin looking one that everyone has) and transmuted the stats to a rare magic find set.
I would like to get the HotW, TA and Sorrow’s Embrace sets for the looks. SE set purely because it slightly resembles a stormtrooper, lol.
I got mine for stats first and was in the process of farming some final skin to put in them. If I had knew, I’d be playing with rares only.
Also, the exotic ring, amulet and earrings are obviously for stats only.
I got mine to maximize and optimize a set dedicated to a certain type of gameplay in lvl 80 PVE for the entire life of the game.
And pursue other exotics part for other gameplay and skins like you that I could keep for ever in max stat.
The final optional and really interesting thing in this game aside enjoyment in all type of content is to have build your 2 or 3 own maxed stat equipments that you want with your favorites skins on it. And be sure never touch them if you made the right choice for you. You can then working mastering your skills and fighting style and enjoy jumping puzzle, exploration, learn new tactics in dungeons, and throw yourself in PvP with seriousness.
The problem is, I will have to buy additional transmutation stones to fit my skin with the ascended armor and then buy additional transmutation stones to fit my skin with the legendary armor, and then…
Smart idea from Anet to make even more money they already have in mass.
Exotics are just something for you to work towards. They aren’t that big of an upgrade over Rares.
Exotics are just something for you to work towards. They aren’t that big of an upgrade over Rares.
And now they are a useless step on the way from Rare to maxed stat gear.
Exotics are just something for you to work towards. They aren’t that big of an upgrade over Rares.
And now they are a useless step on the way from Rare to maxed stat gear.
You know they’re only adding Backpacks and Rings starting off?
You know they’re only adding Backpacks and Rings starting off?
Next month, they’ll add another two. Will it be the earrings and necklace? Maybe the first pair of gloves and boots? Will you buy any exotic item at all before you know that?
What we know is that sooner or later, we’ll be able to get a full set of ascended items. Why get any exotics for stats if you don’t want their looks and you know you’ll replace them in the short term?
I won’t get any more relatively expensive (exotic) items until we know what’ll happen with the ascended items.
You know they’re only adding Backpacks and Rings starting off?
Next month, they’ll add another two. Will it be the earrings and necklace? Maybe the first pair of gloves and boots? Will you buy any exotic item at all before you know that?
What we know is that sooner or later, we’ll be able to get a full set of ascended items. Why get any exotics for stats if you don’t want their looks and you know you’ll replace them in the short term?
Aw, what rarity items below exotic look good? :O jw
Aw, what rarity items below exotic look good? :O jw
Considering how ugly the crafted exotic sets are (especially the weapons and medium armor), is it that important?
The best looking medium armor in the game is the rare T3 human cultural weapon btw. Rare quality. Also, if you don’t get level 80 exotics, aim for level 79 or slightly lower rares instead. You can reskin those with the cheaper stones. As for armor sets, the best looking while still incredibly cheap one can get (in my opinion) is the karma bought level 79 medium armor set from that Malchor thing map :p In light armor it’s the crafted winged set and heavy armor is all ugly :o
I don’t think Exotics will die out anytime soon if ever. The chance of the actual armor Ascended items to have a rune socket and a infusion socket is slim IMO. Making the armor potentially not worth it in larger areas of pve aka outside of the areas with Agony/dungeon. And most people will still prefer using multiple sets of items for different scenarios.
Personally I didn’t use exotics for skins. I crafted the two sets I have and wear them accordingly to what I need in terms of rune set/support scenarios. I do have more accessories then armor though, so I do wonder if some of my accessories will be kind of worthless in terms, since majority of them are for dungeon use; a la healing accessories.
I transmuted Tier 3 skin on my main set and I would be kind of disappointed if in the long run I need more transmute stones because my exotics do become subpar (the level 80 ones are pretty rare drop from chests honestly :/). But I don’t think that will be the case; at least anytime in the forseeable future.
There are definitely some exotics with unique skins that I doubt will die out anytime soon. For example, acolyte/seer set or whatever its called.
Now Legendary armors if/when they come out. Thats a whole other chapter to theorize on when it happens.
edit: english is hard. :/
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I don’t think Exotics will die out anytime soon if ever. The chance of the actual armor Ascended items to have a rune socket and a infusion socket is slim IMO. Making the armor potentially not worth it in larger areas of pve aka outside of the areas with Agony/dungeon. And most people will still prefer using multiple sets of items for different scenarios.
With the availability of the Ascended tier, people would want multiple sets of Ascended items for different scenarios. That will require a lot of effort to get.
Also, Ascended items have rune socket bonuses built into their base stats. But as a higher tier than exotics, they are always better in terms of stats in a one-to-one direct comparison. This could potentially mean that in order to achieve those combinations that you currently get from exotics + runes, you have to grind a lot to get Ascended items with base stats in the combinations you want.
I don’t think Exotics will die out anytime soon if ever. The chance of the actual armor Ascended items to have a rune socket and a infusion socket is slim IMO. Making the armor potentially not worth it in larger areas of pve aka outside of the areas with Agony/dungeon. And most people will still prefer using multiple sets of items for different scenarios.
With the availability of the Ascended tier, people would want multiple sets of Ascended items for different scenarios. That will require a lot of effort to get.
Also, Ascended items have rune socket bonuses built into their base stats. But as a higher tier than exotics, they are always better in terms of stats in a one-to-one direct comparison. This could potentially mean that in order to achieve those combinations that you currently get from exotics + runes, you have to grind a lot to get Ascended items with base stats in the combinations you want.
Yeah, there is no doubt the extra stats that we see are to make up for the loss of gems/runes in the gear. But some rune sets are extremely helpful. But we also have no idea how good or varying the infusions will be (the current ones sound mostly for defense against the condition, but there are omni and offensive ones supposedly as well that we don’t know about). So only time will tell in that regard.
No doubt people will want/need multiple sets of Ascended gear as time goes on though. Especially as more pieces come available. Not many people use just one set of gear for dungeons, so the need of multiple different stat’d pieces is going to be present.
But on the topic, I just don’t think they will die off really quickly. If that was the case, they’d just release all the pieces at once. But them slowly putting in a couple pieces at a time, keeps the value of exotics up still.
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I got mine for min/maxing stats.
And I think they exotics have been worth it. My first char was geared using crafting and swapping the oranges you get from 100% in Orr to some other orange I needed. I was lucky enough to get an exotic weapon drop and for the other set I crafted mystic weapons. So they didn’t cost me a whole lot or require any more effort than just making sure I did my dailies, and gathering stuff as I played.
Then I started dungeons…
I earned enough tokens to fully gear my first alt. And with two characters now doing dungeons daily, I have enough various tokens to gear up two more characters if I choose.
More than likely I will have an ascended set eventually for the higher levels of Fractals. But for the most part I will be sticking with exotics. My builds have a synergy between my traits, my armor stat priority, my runes, and my weapon sigils. Im not willing to entirely give up that level of fine tuning and all around effectiveness for a stat boost.
Exotics will still have a place and be worth getting for a good while yet.
With the availability of a superior tier gear, people will trash their exotics away for whatever reason they see fit, the same way ppl trash yellows when the exotics have the same stats but better.
It’s hard to get legendaries with no exotics. And, it will be hard to get ascended items with no exotics. So it is worth it to get exotics.
AN needs a way to upgrade exotics to have a infusion slot in the future. And a way to increase their power to ascended over time. So exotics are still useful.
I got exotics for the stats. I think my skin was rare.
It’s hard to get legendaries with no exotics. And, it will be hard to get ascended items with no exotics. So it is worth it to get exotics.
Baseless speculation. If you can get ascended items with an exotic MF set, you can get them with a non MF rare set.
It’s hard to get legendaries with no exotics. And, it will be hard to get ascended items with no exotics. So it is worth it to get exotics.
Baseless speculation. If you can get ascended items with an exotic MF set, you can get them with a non MF rare set.
Eh, let’s try not to use such negative terms. It has a base that in fact, exotics have better stats and can hold better upgrades. So in some cases, exotics make attaining things more frequently statisically. But any set works depending on the situation. But more MF does increase chances, and better upgrades for MF/base stats are in exotics.
Edit: and he mentioned difficulty, he didn’t say it wasn’t near impossible ><
It’s hard to get legendaries with no exotics. And, it will be hard to get ascended items with no exotics. So it is worth it to get exotics.
Baseless speculation. If you can get ascended items with an exotic MF set, you can get them with a non MF rare set.
It will take more time and you will die more. Besides exotics are cheap.
Exotics offered a big boost over rares, which made my characters with exotics more powerful, making game play more efficient, so, yeah, they were and still are worth it.
The ease/difficulty of obtaining Ascended Gear, I’m sure, will impact Exotic pricing and the willingness of players to pursue Exotics through other means. Plus, for now, Ascended is only offered as Rings and Back Armor. The Back Armor will probably be worthwhile for almost everyone. The rings will probably be pursued more for Agony mitigation and Infusion slots buy those actively participating in Fragments of the Mist. They do appear to offer ~ an 8% stat boost over Exotic Rings, at least based on the one example shown. Is someone who isn’t otherwise interested in running FotM going to play it just for an 8% stat boost on their rings? Maybe, maybe not.
I’m not sure what the stat boost between rares and Exotics figured out to, but I know when comparing Rare and Exotic armor, Exotics offered a significant boost. Even level 78 Exotics offer a noticeable boost over level 80 rares.
I’m just glad that the “gear inflation” from Ascended gear is minor, (compare to WoW Expansion related gear inflation, where the new green gear at (Old Level Cap +1) where usually more powerful than gear people had spent hundreds of hours grinding for). Also, they are starting with just two armor types, Rings and back Armor. It appears that Fragments of the Mist will be expanded on a fairly regular basis over the months and years to come. I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t see full Ascended gear sets in the game until a year or two down the road. In the mean time, all the Exotic gear in every other slot remains at the pinnacle, unless there is a Legendary variant available.
Will the update make me want to upgrade two rings and a back piece? Sure, but that’s really not a big deal, or even a little deal. I’m even going to guess that those looking for Ascended only for the normal stats boosts will be able to get those three items fairly quickly. It will be Ascended gear with Infusion Slots or built in Agony Mitigation that will likely require the most time and effort to acquire and Infusions/Agony will have zero purpose outside of FotM.
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It will take more time and you will die more. Besides exotics are cheap.
At around 25-30g for a full set of exotics, no they aren’t.
No, because rares that drop anywhere in reasonable rates can do the job just as well. I was getting exotics not because I wanted to be feel powerful, I got them because I wanted to be done with thinking about not being as powerful as possible. It was a relieve to get them, not the pleasure of progression. You may argue that relief is pleasure, though.
Now, that I can never be 100% sure whether ANet will devalue anything I worked for, I will stick to hunting only for skins, because beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and ANet can never devalue my personal appreciation for the look of an item. I maybe shouldn’t say that, don’t want to jinx them introducing items with the same skin as old ones, only with a much higher resolution.
“You love how your Peacemaker Focus looks? Then you HAVE to check out our new Peacemaker Weapon set X2!”
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No. Not worth it at all. I ground karma for the Temple set because I wanted the Power/Toughness/Vitality stat spread. This armor is horribly ugly on my female asura so I then used transmutation stones to copy over a low level gladiator style armor I had grown to like while leveling.
If they introduce a new set I would be switching back to my master work magic find gear to grind for it (except I won’t actually do this because I’ll quit instead) and my exotic gear will have been rendered completely worthless.
I don’t know about the rest of you guys, but I’m not going to take in a full Rare character over a full Exotic character when it comes to the new Dungeon progression. You’re only holding down the team because you think you can take shortcuts.
I guess some people think the dungeon will be a cake walk and you’ll all clear it no problem in Rare gear when you’re on the more difficult levels of the dungeon. Let’s be serious. Most people can’t even clear Arah. Get your d*mn exotic gear imo.
PS:
Running in Rare gear means you have Major sigils/runes. Take into consideration the Exotic stat difference in addition to the Superior Sigils/runes you’re missing out on.
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It will take more time and you will die more. Besides exotics are cheap.
At around 25-30g for a full set of exotics, no they aren’t.
Buy a cheap one and and a good upgrade item.
Running in Rare gear means you have Major sigils/runes. Take into consideration the Exotic stat difference in addition to the Superior Sigils/runes you’re missing out on.
My masterworks backpiece with exotic jewel disagrees.
Buy a cheap one and and a good upgrade item.
What? XD The 25-30g price tag was for the cheapest exotics one can buy.
Whatever happens, if I am still playing when I get to lvl 80, I will be skinning gear with Sylvari Teir 2 Light set. The model for a necro looks just too good :-)
Unless exotic pieces are required to get the ascendant items in the Mystic Forge recipes I have a feeling it will be completely viable to go from rares->ascendant and skip the exotic tier completely.
I don’t get any accessory for its skin. o.O
The thing that’s really struck me in GW2 is how little a gear upgrade matters. I remember in Rift when I got my first relic and had an immediate, notable change in performance from changing one item up one tier. In Lineage 2, gear made a big difference. In WoW my progression-raiding guild also dominated pvp, because we were one of only a couple of guilds with that level of gear. GW2 is just not the same.
In GW2, when I got my whole set of exotic armor, I could hardly tell at all. And currently, when I run with full magic-find, I don’t feel kitten at all, hardly notice any difference. It’s certainly no trouble to use “kitten” gear in the highest zones in the game.
If you look at the math of it, it’s easy to see why. In other games, a tier will represent a 30% increase, and damage formulas magnify it. In GW2, the steps between tiers are small, and the damage formulas are simple linear functions with most of the stats being static (you have 916 base stats and will start with about 2000 attack, naked with no traits).
Running in Rare gear means you have Major sigils/runes. Take into consideration the Exotic stat difference in addition to the Superior Sigils/runes you’re missing out on.
My masterworks backpiece with exotic jewel disagrees.
Buy a cheap one and and a good upgrade item.
What? XD The 25-30g price tag was for the cheapest exotics one can buy.
1.5 to 10g for the cheap ones. If you want more then 1,000 weapon damage it’s more.
1.5 to 10g for the cheap ones. If you want more then 1,000 weapon damage it’s more.
I’m talking about a full set. 2 weapons, 6 armor parts, 2 rings, 2 earrings and 1 necklace.
You cannot get exotic jewelry for less than 2.5g piece. You might be able to get some under level 80 exotic armor for less than 2g each though. Not sure about weapons now.
It will take more time and you will die more. Besides exotics are cheap.
At around 25-30g for a full set of exotics, no they aren’t.
If you buy with gold, sure. But my 80s mostly wear gear they got for “free.”
If you buy with gold, sure. But my 80s mostly wear gear they got for “free.”
Nothing is free. And in all cases you cannot get exotic jewelry without paying 2.5g piece which adds up to 12-13g in total, unless you use a LOT of WvWvW badges.
1.5 to 10g for the cheap ones. If you want more then 1,000 weapon damage it’s more.
I’m talking about a full set. 2 weapons, 6 armor parts, 2 rings, 2 earrings and 1 necklace.
You cannot get exotic jewelry for less than 2.5g piece. You might be able to get some under level 80 exotic armor for less than 2g each though. Not sure about weapons now.
Why you people want all the best things now?
If you buy with gold, sure. But my 80s mostly wear gear they got for “free.”
Nothing is free. And in all cases you cannot get exotic jewelry without paying 2.5g piece which adds up to 12-13g in total, unless you use a LOT of WvWvW badges.
Hey guys. Let’s try to keep on topic please. Did you guys go for the stats or the looks? Thanks!
Why you people want all the best things now?
Why pay a premium for a marginal stat increase? Which goes back to the topic : are exotics worth it? Why pay a premium for a marginal stat increase unless you get the best possible item for that slot? Answer : no they aren’t worth it unless Ascended items don’t exist.
Karma exotic are a great way to save gold but i must say exotic trinket are a big underwhelming upgrade from rare if your trying to save what you “NEED” and or feel you need you should be ok with just rare or even green trinket.
Here a good rule get weapon first the weapon you use the most then the 2ed weapon then look though karma exotic and see what bits you would like THEN start to shell out gold for gear then last go after trinket.
Well I haven’t got a sinlge piece of exotics yet. I plan to craft one for my necro once my tailoring hits max-lvl. And I want to make it – well for the look of it as well as for the process of crafting itself as I plan to gather the mats myself and don’t wanna simply buy them. Since I don’t play that much this will keep me occupied for quite a long time I guess.^^
Edit: As for the Ascended I’d like to add. No I personally don’t have a big problem with people having higher tiered stuff as long as it isn’t going to exclude me from further content, so adding a new tier and a new tier and a new tier every some months would definitely drive me out of the game.
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To be entirely fair, if you got your exotics for their appearance then no, it wasn’t a waste of your time and/or money. However if you, like I, bought the exotics to make your character optimal and then transmuted a different skin onto them then yes, they were not worth it. At least not anymore now that ArenaNet is bringing out a new tier of gear.
And before anyone says, yes I know that the differences in stats are not gigantic, but they are still there.
During the 1st 2 weeks of launch, I had to 0-400 leatherworker and painfully craft each of my exotic armor pieces, because I was assured that exotic stats would be the highest attainable stat levels. Back when ectos were 20-25s each (if lucky) and when you couldn’t get gossamer in any reliable manner, other than zone lucky zone completion rewards.
All that is going to be nulled, along with all the time I spent outside actual PvP to transmute fancier skins onto them. It’s all going to be gone, nulled, void. All that tedium I did just so I’d never, ever, EVER do it again, it’s invalidated, it’s tossed aside. Most of my friends (who still played up till 2-3 days ago), when they heard this, quit, because they had several 80s kitted out with full exotics. Thanks anet, for making this game the opposite of accessible.
So yes, aside from 1v5+ ing in my videos, I’d say it wasn’t worth it in any other way/shape/form.
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If you buy with gold, sure. But my 80s mostly wear gear they got for “free.”
Nothing is free. And in all cases you cannot get exotic jewelry without paying 2.5g piece which adds up to 12-13g in total, unless you use a LOT of WvWvW badges.
Hey guys. Let’s try to keep on topic please. Did you guys go for the stats or the looks? Thanks!
I certainly don’t get jewelry for the looks. o.O
My S.O. plays a 400 jeweler and gives me her wares without charge (and of course happily receives my mats). And my guild has an extensive share-trade system.
I really like the looks of both my karma sets. I skinned some cultural on the heavy to get a look I like. I also re-skinned my crafted MF set, which has TP-bought runes.
I got some dungeon gear. Saving my wvw-badges for the time being.
Trading Post – IMO it’s only for getting named weapons/armor with distinctive skins (as one of the very few sexy medium skins is named).
Why would exotics not be worth it from whenever until now? Two hours of playing gets you the financial cost of an exotic armor piece. Every piece of exotic armor was max until now, will still be max for at least another month, and will be max potentially for several months (without going off into full speculation mode – think about the likelihood that there will be full ascended armor sets in December).
If you want to say crafting an exotic ring today isn’t worth it, yeah, I may agree with that (depends on what it takes to get the ascended ring with the stats you want). Everything else? Sure it was worth it. You played from whenever you crafted to now with exotics. You’re going to have time to play in that exotic gear now and in the future, and you can craft exactly the stats you want (within the game’s normal attribute combinations).
I guess you can sit on your bank account and say to yourself “man, thank the Fantabulous Sky Kitten that I have a few more gold coins in there!” I mean if that’s your thing, cool. To act like every piece of exotic gear is worthless now is a bit overboard, or that you somehow didn’t use that gear when you were playing. Exotic gear is still top tier for all the armor and half the accessories even when ascended first gets introduced.
Why would exotics not be worth it from whenever until now? Two hours of playing gets you the financial cost of an exotic armor piece. Every piece of exotic armor was max until now, will still be max for at least another month, and will be max potentially for several months (without going off into full speculation mode – think about the likelihood that there will be full ascended armor sets in December).
If you want to say crafting an exotic ring today isn’t worth it, yeah, I may agree with that (depends on what it takes to get the ascended ring with the stats you want). Everything else? Sure it was worth it. You played from whenever you crafted to now with exotics. You’re going to have time to play in that exotic gear now and in the future, and you can craft exactly the stats you want (within the game’s normal attribute combinations).
I guess you can sit on your bank account and say to yourself “man, thank the Fantabulous Sky Kitten that I have a few more gold coins in there!” I mean if that’s your thing, cool. To act like every piece of exotic gear is worthless now is a bit overboard, or that you somehow didn’t use that gear when you were playing. Exotic gear is still top tier for all the armor and half the accessories even when ascended first gets introduced.
Are you even thinking or not? I got better plans for my gold than buying obsolete exotics. Mainly, it’s buying stuff like T3 cultural gear, stuffing alts, getting alternate stat sets for alternate builds and saving for one day getting my own legendary.
Every piece of exotic now is worthless. I wouldn’t pay more than 50s for them now.
So when are you getting your ascended chest piece?
Hi guys,
Question to you all—because it just hit me. This thread is in regards to people who think due to the ascended gear addition, exotics were not worth it to get. But through my eyes, they were worth it to me—why? Because I went for them for the skin majorly, most of the basis for my armor stats comes from transmutation. In Gw2 currently pre-patch, exotics have the widest range of skins to date. Hearing the ascended additions, I doubt the releases would amount to the number of exotic skins out there right now and who knows if they even look good.
Anyways, I just hope everyone got their exotics based on looks and you’ll probably want to keep those looks if the ascended gear looks ugly. Just saying exotics haven’t lost their value.
So the question is now: Why did you get your exotic? I got mine for the skin because stat-wise, they didn’t have the stats I wanted so I had to grind specifically for them or go buy them from the TP.
Let’s refrain from turning this into a stat/ascended gear/broken promise/manifesto debate. Please and thank you!
You do it for the skins. The stats from yellow to orange are not all that significant. But the looks are certainly way better than 99% of rares.
I already have two exotic chest pieces to keep me warm and angry until that time, don’t worry. My alts on the other hand will have to do with rares at best if I even care to raise them to 80.
No. Not worth it at all. I ground karma for the Temple set because I wanted the Power/Toughness/Vitality stat spread. This armor is horribly ugly on my female asura so I then used transmutation stones to copy over a low level gladiator style armor I had grown to like while leveling.
If they introduce a new set I would be switching back to my master work magic find gear to grind for it (except I won’t actually do this because I’ll quit instead) and my exotic gear will have been rendered completely worthless.
There are a couple dungeons that reward Pwr/Tough/Vit stats, Honor of the Waves in particular. I don’t understand why people keep talking about the cost of exotic armor when you can work towards a full exotic armor set while earning money via dungeons. If you pay gold for an exotic set, then it’s your tradeoff for not spending time in a dungeon—for stats, of course. If you like the look of a particular set, then that’s based off of your own personal aesthetic.
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