Guild Wars 2

In the whole large explosion about gear and power and whatnot, a simple but important question was overlooked.

What about older content?

When I started the game, I was under the impression I could take my time, see the sights, and eventually get around to other content when I felt like it. So I didn’t rush to 80 and then rush to run the dungeons that have the skins I want. I thought that, with the gear plateau, there would always be a spread of people to group with running whichever dungeons I might be interested in at the time.

Now I see I was mistaken, this is not the case. It may not be what Anet intended, but the fact is the community at large has moved into the newest dungeon with the best shinies, and like so many other MMOs all the older dungeon bosses get to practice their card games in boredom.

So, what about all that older content? How do we run it now? (And before you say get a guild, being in guild doesn’t magically make people care about content they otherwise wouldn’t, they’ll still want to run the newest and shiniest.)

ANET made it outdated. They intended to do it. They are funneling players into content. The reason this intention is clear is because they could have easily added these drops to existing dungeons as well.

Completely agree. Definitely a concern.

This is exactly why the community at large has been so against this vertical progression thru dungeon only runs since the start. This and making normally packed open world zones almost 1/3 their normal occupancy if not a ghost town.

Seen it already. People aren’t even returning to Orr to recapture camps anymore.

You do realize that a lot of other guys complain about this, right?

Now, bear with me, this is just an idea: How about you guys run older dungeons together? If it’s such a big problem, then i’m sure that there will be a lot of people having this problem, and therefor it would be self-regulating because these people can just gang up and form a party.

Seriously, there will always be an influx of new players in this game. Sure, lvl 80 characters might not want to run certain dungeons all the time as they did before, but then you’ll just have to settle with running AC with a lvl 50.

I have the same concern about dynamic events, esp group events , in lower levels. I like playing alts, but the lower level areas are pretty sparse now.

The issue is that it takes no time to get to 80. Its not that people rushed to 80 its that it doesn’t take more than a month to get there. lol If you took your time to get 80 than great. I was 80 in the 1st 3 weeks of game launch and fully geared in exotics by the time the Trading post had started working. I have never spent a dime on this game and have 3 sets of exotic gear and every weapon is exotic.

This game is so easy to level and make money in. I think like a full set of Exo gear is what about 15g? I can farm 15g in like 15 hours probably. People didn’t rush to end game content its that it just doesn’t take that long to reach it. If you took your time and were slow fine. But you didnt need to do that. By the way I have 100% map completion so don’t say I didn’t experience the game and rushed…. It just isnt that hard.

Hemah.4361:

You do realize that a lot of other guys complain about this, right?

Now, bear with me, this is just an idea: How about you guys run older dungeons together? If it’s such a big problem, then i’m sure that there will be a lot of people having this problem, and therefor it would be self-regulating because these people can just gang up and form a party.

Seriously, there will always be an influx of new players in this game. Sure, lvl 80 characters might not want to run certain dungeons all the time as they did before, but then you’ll just have to settle with running AC with a lvl 50.

That may help some, but there are general and specific issues I have here:

All the folks who want older content are not on the same server, and not all on at the same time. Heck, most of the time I only ever saw folks forming parties for a few dungeons (mostly AC, TA, a smattering of CoF, and once in a while Arah,) before the new dungeon, now even all of that is gone.

There are level 80 paths you realize. Sure, if AC is all I want, I can always find warm bodies. What about, for example, CoE?

Exactly what I’m wondering.

Why isn’t the endgame spread all over the zones to keep people exploring and wandering about in the game? As things are now everyone’s funneled into 2-3 areas because nothing for their level comes from anywhere else. It’s just horrible design.

Your point is valid. Less a problem with game design and more a problem of MMO mentality. My guild members happen to also be my friends. Friends stick together, and there’s give and take. I do group things I don’t necessarily want to do, and they do group things they don’t necessarily want to do. So while belonging to a guild doesn’t mean you get to do the things you want, playing games with friends often does.

Warlord.9074:

The issue is that it takes no time to get to 80. Its not that people rushed to 80 its that it doesn’t take more than a month to get there. lol If you took your time to get 80 than great. I was 80 in the 1st 3 weeks of game launch and fully geared in exotics by the time the Trading post had started working. I have never spent a dime on this game and have 3 sets of exotic gear and every weapon is exotic.

This game is so easy to level and make money in. I think like a full set of Exo gear is what about 15g? I can farm 15g in like 15 hours probably. People didn’t rush to end game content its that it just doesn’t take that long to reach it. If you took your time and were slow fine. But you didnt need to do that. By the way I have 100% map completion so don’t say I didn’t experience the game and rushed…. It just isnt that hard.

Call it a touch of alt-itis if you like, I have 2 80s, a 58, and a 26. I never said leveling was too hard or too long, I only said I thought I would have more time to grind out dungeon skins. The two issues are not connected.

Erulogos.2591:

Warlord.9074:

The issue is that it takes no time to get to 80. Its not that people rushed to 80 its that it doesn’t take more than a month to get there. lol If you took your time to get 80 than great. I was 80 in the 1st 3 weeks of game launch and fully geared in exotics by the time the Trading post had started working. I have never spent a dime on this game and have 3 sets of exotic gear and every weapon is exotic.

This game is so easy to level and make money in. I think like a full set of Exo gear is what about 15g? I can farm 15g in like 15 hours probably. People didn’t rush to end game content its that it just doesn’t take that long to reach it. If you took your time and were slow fine. But you didnt need to do that. By the way I have 100% map completion so don’t say I didn’t experience the game and rushed…. It just isnt that hard.

Call it a touch of alt-itis if you like, I have 2 80s, a 58, and a 26. I never said leveling was too hard or too long, I only said I thought I would have more time to grind out dungeon skins. The two issues are not connected.

Find a large PVE guild and join it. Or go to another server where a lot of PVErs are at. Some server have huge PVE populations and PVE guild other servers are more WVW orientated.

Warlord.9074:

The issue is that it takes no time to get to 80. Its not that people rushed to 80 its that it doesn’t take more than a month to get there. lol If you took your time to get 80 than great. I was 80 in the 1st 3 weeks of game launch and fully geared in exotics by the time the Trading post had started working. I have never spent a dime on this game and have 3 sets of exotic gear and every weapon is exotic.

This game is so easy to level and make money in. I think like a full set of Exo gear is what about 15g? I can farm 15g in like 15 hours probably. People didn’t rush to end game content its that it just doesn’t take that long to reach it. If you took your time and were slow fine. But you didnt need to do that. By the way I have 100% map completion so don’t say I didn’t experience the game and rushed…. It just isnt that hard.

your confusing yourself with the rest of us. You have time to spend 5+hrs a day. The rest of us with school and work and a social life don’t.

I’d just like to know if they have any plans to improve the situation, like giving 80s an incentive to do the lower level DEs, creating “underfill” servers, or introducing a better LFG tool. I don’t care about the actual details of how they address it. I’m just curious if they’re aware of the situation and plan to do anything. Right now it feels like the game starts at 80 and I should just focus on catching up.

Outdated? Some may even be as bold as to say… obsolete!

Warlord.9074:

Find a large PVE guild and join it. Or go to another server where a lot of PVErs are at. Some server have huge PVE populations and PVE guild other servers are more WVW orientated.

Going back to my first post, I am not 100% certain that will help, as being in a guild doesn’t change a person’s motivation. Even so, I rarely see guilds advertising on my server (Jade Quarry, big on WvW, apparently not so much on the rest.) So if you have any leads on which server(s) are all about the dungeon runs, I’d be glad to hear them (or if you know where on the web I might dig up said info, without casting random fishing lines into Google.)

Revolution.6301:

your confusing yourself with the rest of us. You have time to spend 5+hrs a day. The rest of us with school and work and a social life don’t.

That is not productive and not welcome. I am trying to make a valid concern known to Anet and the community, and also looking for ways to address it. Personal attacks really don’t serve either purpose.

Best solution would be to throw out the idea of areas having levels. Scale everything like WvW, and you can put interesting content anywhere. Then you don’t have people swarming Orr because it’s the highest level.

I’m told players got confused by this idea, and didn’t know where to go, but that’s too depressing for me to believe.

Probably too radical to happen, anyway. Lots of MMO players are pretty reactionary.

Oh, and don’t put best gear in one single place. Especially a dungeon. Come on, that should be obvious anet.

They should buff the rewards of the older dungeons to at at least provide legit incentive to still run them even with Fractals existing.

What other content? There’s only one thing to do in the game now. They should just change the name from “Guild Wars 2” to “Fractals of the Mists”. (Lion’s Arch should also be redubbed “Fractals Group Finder Lobby”.)