Guild Wars 2

Hero Points will be limited, and they’ll be earned strictly through what are currently called skill challenges (these will become known as hero challenges) and leveling up. A level 80 character that’s done none of the hero challenges should be able to unlock more than enough skills, specializations, and traits to make several unique full builds. A single character who’s done a fair amount of the hero challenges should be able to unlock all of the core specializations, skills, and traits. PvP players won’t have to worry about unlocking anything, as all skills and traits will be automatically unlocked upon entering the Heart of the Mists.

Does this mean that Hero Points are a fixed quantity and it will not be possible to earn more or utilize the excess?

Old skill points in excess of those earned by leveling and skill challenges will be converted into crafting materials for the Mystic Forge. Items and activities that were previously repeatable sources of skill points will now also provide that same crafting material.

I hope as we get closer to release there will be more specifics about what the points will be converted to and at what rate. It would be poor form to leave players to make a gambler’s guess as to whether they should wait for the conversion or spend their existing points now.

Will the conversion also credit players for points already spent on skill unlocks?

I would like to know this as well.

The way I understand this is that skill points will be replaced with hero points and that they will be limited. Additional skill points we’ve gathered will be refunded with Mystic Forge mats and the same goes with repeatable sources of skill points (scrolls?).

Correct me if I’m wrong plz, English isn’t my first language.

Leablo.2651:

Hero Points will be limited, and they’ll be earned strictly through what are currently called skill challenges (these will become known as hero challenges) and leveling up. A level 80 character that’s done none of the hero challenges should be able to unlock more than enough skills, specializations, and traits to make several unique full builds. A single character who’s done a fair amount of the hero challenges should be able to unlock all of the core specializations, skills, and traits. PvP players won’t have to worry about unlocking anything, as all skills and traits will be automatically unlocked upon entering the Heart of the Mists.

Does this mean that Hero Points are a fixed quantity and it will not be possible to earn more or utilize the excess?

Old skill points in excess of those earned by leveling and skill challenges will be converted into crafting materials for the Mystic Forge. Items and activities that were previously repeatable sources of skill points will now also provide that same crafting material.

I hope as we get closer to release there will be more specifics about what the points will be converted to and at what rate. It would be poor form to leave players to make a gambler’s guess as to whether they should wait for the conversion or spend their existing points now.

Will the conversion also credit players for points already spent on skill unlocks?

it means there will be max amount based on 80 levels of hero points, and all the skill point challenges.

I wonder how this will effect wvw players, and current 80s who didnt have to do all the skill challenges before.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/reimagining-progression-the-mastery-system/
Because the Mastery training bar completely replaces the experience bar, players who’ve reached level 80 will no longer gain levels but will instead train Masteries. This means characters that have reached level 80 will no longer gain skill points through leveling. Skill points will be added as rewards across high-level content to offset this change.

I would really like to know the details of currencies that will be phased out.

I’m sitting on 600 skill points just on my main. I probably have another 4-500 across alts. I would really like to know how this is going to work.

Also what about level up books? I’m sitting on 50 of those for the Revenant. Can we learn as to whether saving these things is a waste of time?

Looks like it will work like this. You get points by doing current skill challenges and can spend them on skills and traits. In the beginning you will have to choose what you want to unlock first but when you finish all skill challenges you should have enough to unlock everything.
Right now we have 189 skill challenges in pve. I assume they will be converted 1:1 to hero points. All remaining skill points that you got from openworld will be converted to some crafting material for mystic forge.

If you have a level up scroll, keep your level up scroll, it will continue to level you up.

If you have a skill scroll, either keep it to find out what it gives you after the change, or burn it on your highest skill point character to see what it gives you after the change. In either case, all your excess skill points will be converted into mats.

Mats should include Philosopher Stones, Crystals and Wine. If we’re lucky they also include Coins and Clovers. But I wouldn’t count on it.

I’m keeping all my skill points and I’ll burn them after the change. In the mean time I think I need to go out and complete skill challenges on my other characters so I won’t need them later.

It sounds like the goal is that instead of grinding EotM to gain levels and skill points, they’re trying to encourage players to explore and find these hero challenges while they level characters.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/reimagining-progression-the-mastery-system/
Because the Mastery training bar completely replaces the experience bar, players who’ve reached level 80 will no longer gain levels but will instead train Masteries. This means characters that have reached level 80 will no longer gain skill points through leveling. Skill points will be added as rewards across high-level content to offset this change.

that probably got revised, they are getting rid of skill points now.
they basically said skill points will be from skill point challenges only now. (and your first 80 levels)

i dont doubt they will have some new skill point challenges, or some old content may now be skill point challenges.

Big question for me is also :

Does it make any sense to buy Traits that i don’t have on new chars, or should i
spare all those points .. or just use them for mystic forge stuff already.

And do i now really have to do all those skill challenges because a character that
has only 20% world will be much worse than one with 100% ?

What will happen to the existing legendary crafting? You need to buy a bloodstone shard which costs 200 skills points(and other stuff)… what will happen to this items I wonder.

TheRandomGuy.7246:

Looks like it will work like this. You get points by doing current skill challenges and can spend them on skills and traits. In the beginning you will have to choose what you want to unlock first but when you finish all skill challenges you should have enough to unlock everything.
Right now we have 189 skill challenges in pve. I assume they will be converted 1:1 to hero points. All remaining skill points that you got from openworld will be converted to some crafting material for mystic forge.

looks like it wont be 1 to 1. the pic has 2048 hero points.
https://d3b4yo2b5lbfy.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/6ddd5HeroPanel_ScreenshotTraining4-590x447.jpg

Now what about if you did a map completion already but spent all your skill points? Are these hero points going to be retroactive if you completed the challenges already?

chemiclord.3978:

It sounds like the goal is that instead of grinding EotM to gain levels and skill points, they’re trying to encourage players to explore and find these hero challenges while they level characters.

Yeah .Skill challenges are in very secretive and hard to reach places and they require some
10 sec to be completed.A truly heroic task.

Aenaos.8160:

chemiclord.3978:

It sounds like the goal is that instead of grinding EotM to gain levels and skill points, they’re trying to encourage players to explore and find these hero challenges while they level characters.

Yeah .Skill challenges are in very secretive and hard to reach places and they require some
10 sec to be completed.A truly heroic task.

1 skill challenge ok
10 skill challenges ok
300 skill challenges for someone who’s not into exploration is a terrible grind

Enko.6123:

Now what about if you did a map completion already but spent all your skill points? Are these hero points going to be retroactive if you completed the challenges already?

my guess is they will give you hero points = the skill challenges you beat an the ones you got from leveling.
then they will let you unlock as you see fit.

phys.7689:

TheRandomGuy.7246:

Looks like it will work like this. You get points by doing current skill challenges and can spend them on skills and traits. In the beginning you will have to choose what you want to unlock first but when you finish all skill challenges you should have enough to unlock everything.
Right now we have 189 skill challenges in pve. I assume they will be converted 1:1 to hero points. All remaining skill points that you got from openworld will be converted to some crafting material for mystic forge.

looks like it wont be 1 to 1. the pic has 2048 hero points.
https://d3b4yo2b5lbfy.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/6ddd5HeroPanel_ScreenshotTraining4-590x447.jpg

Maybe the skill point to hero point exchange ratio will be 1 on 1 but the
amount of points to be spent will be in the 1000s given the amount of
skill points/scrolls we’ve amassed all these years.
Btw.Are skill point scrolls going to be turned into hero point scrolls or do we have to use them before the xpac?

Aenaos.8160:

phys.7689:

TheRandomGuy.7246:

Looks like it will work like this. You get points by doing current skill challenges and can spend them on skills and traits. In the beginning you will have to choose what you want to unlock first but when you finish all skill challenges you should have enough to unlock everything.
Right now we have 189 skill challenges in pve. I assume they will be converted 1:1 to hero points. All remaining skill points that you got from openworld will be converted to some crafting material for mystic forge.

looks like it wont be 1 to 1. the pic has 2048 hero points.
https://d3b4yo2b5lbfy.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/6ddd5HeroPanel_ScreenshotTraining4-590x447.jpg

Maybe the skill point to hero point exchange ratio will be 1 on 1 but the
amount of points to be spent will be in the 1000s given the amount of
skill points/scrolls we’ve amassed all these years.
Btw.Are skill point scrolls going to be turned into hero point scrolls or do we have to use them before the xpac?

nah they said skill points obtained from other sources would get turned into crafting item for the mystic forge

skill scrolls will likely be become crafting mat scrolls

phys.7689:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/reimagining-progression-the-mastery-system/
Because the Mastery training bar completely replaces the experience bar, players who’ve reached level 80 will no longer gain levels but will instead train Masteries. This means characters that have reached level 80 will no longer gain skill points through leveling. Skill points will be added as rewards across high-level content to offset this change.

that probably got revised, they are getting rid of skill points now.
they basically said skill points will be from skill point challenges only now. (and your first 80 levels)

i dont doubt they will have some new skill point challenges, or some old content may now be skill point challenges.

That would mean that it was rethought over and revamped within the last 46 days as that article was released on Feb 5th. I think it’s more likely they just didn’t tell us the details of the new skill points, like the new name and what they will be used for. It doesn’t make sense that there will be no more ways to get skill points if they are used for crafting.

I have over 3.3k skillpoints on my main alone, despite crafting exotic mf weapons all the time. Hoping for an answer.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

phys.7689:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/reimagining-progression-the-mastery-system/
Because the Mastery training bar completely replaces the experience bar, players who’ve reached level 80 will no longer gain levels but will instead train Masteries. This means characters that have reached level 80 will no longer gain skill points through leveling. Skill points will be added as rewards across high-level content to offset this change.

that probably got revised, they are getting rid of skill points now.
they basically said skill points will be from skill point challenges only now. (and your first 80 levels)

i dont doubt they will have some new skill point challenges, or some old content may now be skill point challenges.

That would mean that it was rethought over and revamped within the last 46 days as that article was released on Feb 5th. I think it’s more likely they just didn’t tell us the details of the new skill points rather than scrapping and redoing them after posting that blog.

Ot they didnt want to reveal “hero points” term to avoid speculation. You know, crowd control.

If the system works like masteries then each progressive unlock will cost more.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

phys.7689:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/reimagining-progression-the-mastery-system/
Because the Mastery training bar completely replaces the experience bar, players who’ve reached level 80 will no longer gain levels but will instead train Masteries. This means characters that have reached level 80 will no longer gain skill points through leveling. Skill points will be added as rewards across high-level content to offset this change.

that probably got revised, they are getting rid of skill points now.
they basically said skill points will be from skill point challenges only now. (and your first 80 levels)

i dont doubt they will have some new skill point challenges, or some old content may now be skill point challenges.

That would mean that it was rethought over and revamped within the last 46 days as that article was released on Feb 5th. I think it’s more likely they just didn’t tell us the details of the new skill points rather than scrapping and redoing them after posting that blog.

nah, anet works that fast on design level.
They changed the initial trait system like 30 days before ship or something.

Its not really a change. Skill challenges will happen in high level areas. What they said in previous blog was a rough idea for the same thing.

basically they want the total amount of skill points to be finite now, this way when they introduce new specializations, you will have to do the new skill point giving contents.

“Hero Points will be limited, and they’ll be earned strictly through what are currently called skill challenges (these will become known as hero challenges) and leveling up.”

anet has already told you that they were figuring this out now, which is why they didnt mention anything before.

More info needed on bloodstone shards, Augur’s stones and eldritch scrolls please devs, how will we buy these after the change? Wondering if I should just buy a few now.

Gonna be quite fun to see what effect the sudden influx of mystic forge items converted from skill points will have on the items that have them in their forge recipes.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

phys.7689:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

phys.7689:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/reimagining-progression-the-mastery-system/
Because the Mastery training bar completely replaces the experience bar, players who’ve reached level 80 will no longer gain levels but will instead train Masteries. This means characters that have reached level 80 will no longer gain skill points through leveling. Skill points will be added as rewards across high-level content to offset this change.

that probably got revised, they are getting rid of skill points now.
they basically said skill points will be from skill point challenges only now. (and your first 80 levels)

i dont doubt they will have some new skill point challenges, or some old content may now be skill point challenges.

That would mean that it was rethought over and revamped within the last 46 days as that article was released on Feb 5th. I think it’s more likely they just didn’t tell us the details of the new skill points rather than scrapping and redoing them after posting that blog.

nah, anet works that fast on design level.
They changed the initial trait system like 30 days before ship or something.

Its not really a change. Skill challenges will happen in high level areas. What they said in previous blog was a rough idea for the same thing.

basically they want the total amount of skill points to be finite now, this way when they introduce new specializations, you will have to do the new skill point giving contents.

“Hero Points will be limited, and they’ll be earned strictly through what are currently called skill challenges (these will become known as hero challenges) and leveling up.”

anet has already told you that they were figuring this out now, which is why they didnt mention anything before.

Still doesn’t make sense to remove them if they are going to be used as a crafting material in the Mystic forge. After those are used up, then what?

They’re not being used as a crafting material, they’re being converted into a crafting material. The obvious answer, therefore, is that they won’t be used for acquisition anymore, a different system will be in place. Maybe just buy it with gold.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

phys.7689:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

phys.7689:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/reimagining-progression-the-mastery-system/
Because the Mastery training bar completely replaces the experience bar, players who’ve reached level 80 will no longer gain levels but will instead train Masteries. This means characters that have reached level 80 will no longer gain skill points through leveling. Skill points will be added as rewards across high-level content to offset this change.

that probably got revised, they are getting rid of skill points now.
they basically said skill points will be from skill point challenges only now. (and your first 80 levels)

i dont doubt they will have some new skill point challenges, or some old content may now be skill point challenges.

That would mean that it was rethought over and revamped within the last 46 days as that article was released on Feb 5th. I think it’s more likely they just didn’t tell us the details of the new skill points rather than scrapping and redoing them after posting that blog.

nah, anet works that fast on design level.
They changed the initial trait system like 30 days before ship or something.

Its not really a change. Skill challenges will happen in high level areas. What they said in previous blog was a rough idea for the same thing.

basically they want the total amount of skill points to be finite now, this way when they introduce new specializations, you will have to do the new skill point giving contents.

“Hero Points will be limited, and they’ll be earned strictly through what are currently called skill challenges (these will become known as hero challenges) and leveling up.”

anet has already told you that they were figuring this out now, which is why they didnt mention anything before.

Still doesn’t make sense to remove them if they are going to be used as a crafting material in the Mystic forge. After those are used up, then what?

they will make some content in the game give them. perhaps the same stuff that gave scrolls

Kal Spiro.9745:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

phys.7689:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

phys.7689:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/reimagining-progression-the-mastery-system/
Because the Mastery training bar completely replaces the experience bar, players who’ve reached level 80 will no longer gain levels but will instead train Masteries. This means characters that have reached level 80 will no longer gain skill points through leveling. Skill points will be added as rewards across high-level content to offset this change.

that probably got revised, they are getting rid of skill points now.
they basically said skill points will be from skill point challenges only now. (and your first 80 levels)

i dont doubt they will have some new skill point challenges, or some old content may now be skill point challenges.

That would mean that it was rethought over and revamped within the last 46 days as that article was released on Feb 5th. I think it’s more likely they just didn’t tell us the details of the new skill points rather than scrapping and redoing them after posting that blog.

nah, anet works that fast on design level.
They changed the initial trait system like 30 days before ship or something.

Its not really a change. Skill challenges will happen in high level areas. What they said in previous blog was a rough idea for the same thing.

basically they want the total amount of skill points to be finite now, this way when they introduce new specializations, you will have to do the new skill point giving contents.

“Hero Points will be limited, and they’ll be earned strictly through what are currently called skill challenges (these will become known as hero challenges) and leveling up.”

anet has already told you that they were figuring this out now, which is why they didnt mention anything before.

Still doesn’t make sense to remove them if they are going to be used as a crafting material in the Mystic forge. After those are used up, then what?

They’re not being used as a crafting material, they’re being converted into a crafting material. The obvious answer, therefore, is that they won’t be used for acquisition anymore, a different system will be in place. Maybe just buy it with gold.

not gold, those items were linked to gameplay. possibly karma

Personally I would like to know more concrete information about this whole skill point thing.

Right now my main concern is ascended crafting requiring the Augur’s Stone (20 skill points for 1 stone) … can we still farm embroidered pouches for the scrolls that grant skill points to purchase this thing? It’s very.. confusing..

Zephyra.4709:

Personally I would like to know more concrete information about this whole skill point thing.

Right now my main concern is ascended crafting requiring the Augur’s Stone (20 skill points for 1 stone) … can we still farm embroidered pouches for the scrolls that grant skill points to purchase this thing? It’s very.. confusing..

augur stone will likely use the crafting material for mystic forge instead of skill points for purchase

Our chars will still get the new Hero points through leveling, the way we got them before there were skill point scrolls.

http://www.tentonhammer.com/news/guild-wars-2/guild-wars-2-heart-thorns-specializations-and-jon-peters-qa
“Hero Points will be replacing Skill Points, and will be earned by leveling up”

tramwajarz.2369:

Aenaos.8160:

chemiclord.3978:

It sounds like the goal is that instead of grinding EotM to gain levels and skill points, they’re trying to encourage players to explore and find these hero challenges while they level characters.

Yeah .Skill challenges are in very secretive and hard to reach places and they require some
10 sec to be completed.A truly heroic task.

1 skill challenge ok
10 skill challenges ok
300 skill challenges for someone who’s not into exploration is a terrible grind

Good thing then that map completion currently only offers 202…

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Our chars will still get the new Hero points through leveling, the way we got them before there were skill point scrolls.

“Hero Points will be replacing Skill Points, and will be earned by leveling up”

you wont get any past 80 though, or they wouldnt be limited.

IndigoSundown.5419:

tramwajarz.2369:

Aenaos.8160:

chemiclord.3978:

It sounds like the goal is that instead of grinding EotM to gain levels and skill points, they’re trying to encourage players to explore and find these hero challenges while they level characters.

Yeah .Skill challenges are in very secretive and hard to reach places and they require some
10 sec to be completed.A truly heroic task.

1 skill challenge ok
10 skill challenges ok
300 skill challenges for someone who’s not into exploration is a terrible grind

Good thing then that map completion currently only offers 202…

OMG THANK YOU THIS IS SO IMPORTANT

how does this change my point?

phys.7689:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Our chars will still get the new Hero points through leveling, the way we got them before there were skill point scrolls.

“Hero Points will be replacing Skill Points, and will be earned by leveling up”

you wont get any past 80 though, or they wouldnt be limited.

You’ll get one each time you level up as per this article.
http://www.tentonhammer.com/news/guild-wars-2/guild-wars-2-heart-thorns-specializations-and-jon-peters-qa

It doesn’t say leveling up stops at level 80 and we know we still get exp to train the mastery lines

Just a flesh wound.3589:

phys.7689:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Our chars will still get the new Hero points through leveling, the way we got them before there were skill point scrolls.

“Hero Points will be replacing Skill Points, and will be earned by leveling up”

you wont get any past 80 though, or they wouldnt be limited.

You’ll get one each time you level up as per this article.
http://www.tentonhammer.com/news/guild-wars-2/guild-wars-2-heart-thorns-specializations-and-jon-peters-qa

you dont level up anymore past 80. remember the article you linked on masteries? after 80 your level up is gone and replaced with masteries, which have different exp requirements, and arent considered to be level ups.

phys.7689:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

phys.7689:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Our chars will still get the new Hero points through leveling, the way we got them before there were skill point scrolls.

“Hero Points will be replacing Skill Points, and will be earned by leveling up”

you wont get any past 80 though, or they wouldnt be limited.

You’ll get one each time you level up as per this article.
http://www.tentonhammer.com/news/guild-wars-2/guild-wars-2-heart-thorns-specializations-and-jon-peters-qa

you dont level up anymore past 80. remember the article you linked on masteries? after 80 your level up is gone and replaced with masteries, which have different exp requirements, and arent considered to be level ups.

Yeah, I don’t think they can be any clearer on this point. You do not get skill points after 80. They have stated this explicitely. You get mastery tracks and that is all. If you’re not filling mastery tracks you’re not getting xp and you’re not leveling anything.

tramwajarz.2369:

IndigoSundown.5419:

tramwajarz.2369:

Aenaos.8160:

chemiclord.3978:

It sounds like the goal is that instead of grinding EotM to gain levels and skill points, they’re trying to encourage players to explore and find these hero challenges while they level characters.

Yeah .Skill challenges are in very secretive and hard to reach places and they require some
10 sec to be completed.A truly heroic task.

1 skill challenge ok
10 skill challenges ok
300 skill challenges for someone who’s not into exploration is a terrible grind

Good thing then that map completion currently only offers 202…

OMG THANK YOU THIS IS SO IMPORTANT

how does this change my point?

We’re establishing where on the 0-300 continuum your threshold lies.

Hopefully they clarify the fate of skill points a bit more, because it would be nice to know if we should burn up all of our stored scrolls/tomes/earned points ahead of the expansion.

IndigoSundown.5419:

tramwajarz.2369:

IndigoSundown.5419:

tramwajarz.2369:

Aenaos.8160:

chemiclord.3978:

It sounds like the goal is that instead of grinding EotM to gain levels and skill points, they’re trying to encourage players to explore and find these hero challenges while they level characters.

Yeah .Skill challenges are in very secretive and hard to reach places and they require some
10 sec to be completed.A truly heroic task.

1 skill challenge ok
10 skill challenges ok
300 skill challenges for someone who’s not into exploration is a terrible grind

Good thing then that map completion currently only offers 202…

OMG THANK YOU THIS IS SO IMPORTANT

how does this change my point?

We’re establishing where on the 0-300 continuum your threshold lies.

Who’s we?

What are the “crafting mats”? I love how they always remain vague…….

Essence Snow.3194:

What are the “crafting mats”? I love how they always remain vague…….

Probably waiting to see just how angry we are at the changes, so they can gauge how much they after to bribe us with the rewards for those, ‘crafting materials’.

Essence Snow.3194:

What are the “crafting mats”? I love how they always remain vague…….

most likely crystals or philosopher stones, which will replace skill points in recipes/vendors.

my guess

I’m wondering what’s going to happen with superior siege, since you need skill points to purchase Siege Masters Guide to make them. Changing the cost to badges or money instead?

Don’t know why they’re replacing yet another currency for another.