Guild Wars 2

We now have Daily, Daily PvP, Monthly and Monthly PvP achievements. This is great. Except for a couple of things.

1. Why does Monthly achievement still require PvP, as in killing players in WvW? We already have a Monthly PvP achievement. Effectively PvP players get their fun without needing to PvE, but PvE players are forced to PvP, if they want monthly achievements.

2. Why only Fractal dungeon runs? What about the other Dungeons? So now, it’s even harder to find groups for the other Dungeons?

I realized sometime ago that ANET and GW2 are pro-pvp, that’s why I’ve never really bothered about the monthlies. And I’ve pretty much lost interest in legendaries. But seriously, are you guys really that against your PvE player base?

i believe the devs consider wvw as pve.

There are already two threads complaining about the monthly.

Here
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Please-do-not-have-FOTM-on-the-monthly

And here
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Please-remove-Fractals-from-monthly-achieve

Bite the bullet. I already did fractals monthly, with the assumption that i will almost certenly not do any more FotM during this month. I’m going to endevour to finish the WvW monthly (which has been a long standing part of the PvE monthly) before the wintersday begins.

i finished both requirements in 1 day. about 4 hours of playing on my day off. it’s completely doable. not to mention it was off peak hours. granted, i do enjoy both wvw and fotm…and pretty much all facets of the game. that may have helped

kiba.2768:

i believe the devs consider wvw as pve.

They cant be that thick??

Dyno.9467:

kiba.2768:

i believe the devs consider wvw as pve.

They cant be that thick??

Oh yes they can.

1. WvW is technically not pvp in a sense. While you do fight other players, there’s much more to it than a simple pvp match.

2. Fractals dungeon is relatively new and they’re trying to get people to start doing it more. There are still groups going on for the other dungeons. I believe that a solution for the time being is to create an open guild specifically for dungeons and recruit everyone for it. If someone wants to do a dungeon then they simply hop onto the guild. There may already be such a guild right now.

There’s only so much that they can do for straight pve tasks. If you have any ideas then I suggest you make a topic in the suggestions forum and post them there. It may help keep things from repeating month after month.

I do not PvP. That’s why I never bothered with the Monthly before. Now that there is an actual PvP monthly, why are PvE players still “forced” to participate in PvP for their monthly achievement.

And again, what’s with making people run Fractals? Is the dungeon that bad, that you have to reward players with 45k karma for running it, so that more people would play?

Ayrilana.1396:

1. WvW is technically not pvp in a sense. While you do fight other players, there’s much more to it than a simple pvp match.

There are a TON of things to do in WvW — which makes it even more disappointing that the achievement is simply “kill 50 players”. That type of achievement does force you into a direct PvP mode of play. In WvW this is achieveable only in a zerg (reasonably — yeah you could solo 50 players but in a much greater length of time).

It would be nice to have the monthly use additional or alternate metrics such as “15 events completed in WvW”. I don’t want to argue about the “15” in this example, but rather discuss the example itself.

I love WvW so in this case I get the monthly simply for “playing the game”. I think that was the intent with the monthly, however there are many ways to play the game. It’s impossible to satisfy 100% of the player base.

Because they wanted to put together an achievement that rewarded players who were participating in all parts of the game.

JaironKalach.4938:

Because they wanted to put together an achievement that rewarded players who were participating in all parts of the game.

Except if that’s their goal, they failed. Now, PvP players can do both easily while PvE players can’t get either. Maybe make 3 different types of Monthly. Monthly-ALL, Monthly-PvE only, Monthly-PvP only.

For now, it’s just Monthly with WvW (which is PvP) and Monthly PvP.

still can’t figure out why people call wvw pvp. they are not the same thing…at all.

Vortex.5146:

JaironKalach.4938:

Because they wanted to put together an achievement that rewarded players who were participating in all parts of the game.

Except if that’s their goal, they failed. Now, PvP players can do both easily while PvE players can’t get either..

I’m confused. PVP players can get the the PvE aspects (including FoTM) easily, but PvE players can’t get the WvW aspects easily? Is the WvW aspect too hard?

And if the Monthly requirement changed from WvW kills to 50 DEs in Wayfarer Foothills (or some other random non-Orr zone), people would likely QQ about it.

WvW kills are not super hard to get and have no pre-requisite do complete it other than join a BG and try to find a zerg/group that’s hitting points.

If WvW is PvE then why separate it – let us kill players outside the mists.

Oh don’t want that? Neither do we because PvP has no place in PvE… WvW might have elements of PvE in it but saying they’re the same is as stupid as the fact that portion of the monthly never changes.

There are a TON of things to do in WvW — which makes it even more disappointing that the achievement is simply “kill 50 players”. That type of achievement does force you into a direct PvP mode of play.

That was the first new opinion on this subject I’ve seen since it started 3 weeks ago… the devs could change the achievement to reflect completing dolyak escort missions instead but they don’t cause ANet’s full of kittens… they’re not going to drop the WvW kills from the normal monthly however much we complain so it’s fairly pointless for us to continue doing so.

Succumbing to their idiocy and doing it anyways only lets them continue – if you want PvE separate then don’t do that portion of the monthly and perhaps sometime their metrics will wake them up to their stupidity.

kiba.2768:

still can’t figure out why people call wvw pvp. they are not the same thing…at all.

In regards to the monthly only. Does it require that I defeat (i.e. kill) other players (human beings) then YES this is PVP. So it should be either event only WvW needed or be moved to a PvP monthly.

edit: clarity

JaironKalach.4938:

Vortex.5146:

JaironKalach.4938:

Because they wanted to put together an achievement that rewarded players who were participating in all parts of the game.

Except if that’s their goal, they failed. Now, PvP players can do both easily while PvE players can’t get either..

I’m confused. PVP players can get the the PvE aspects (including FoTM) easily, but PvE players can’t get the WvW aspects easily? Is the WvW aspect too hard?

Because some people don’t like PvP. Other people don’t like PvE. I’m not sure how that’s a hard concept to grasp.

And yes, one player killing another player is PvP, call it whatever you want.

No, the part I’m finding hard to grasp is the assumption that it’s easier for players who don’t like to PvE to go ahead and PvE than it is for players who don’t like to PvP to go ahead and PvP. And yes, I consider WvW to be PvP for the obvious reasons you’ve stated.

i can’t fathom that wvw kills are that difficult. even my first monthly…in september, i was able to get 50 kills in 2 days. now 50 kills takes me 2 hours if i’m in a zerg or if i want, i can defend a keep with an arrow cart vs 10-15 players and get 10 kills in less than 5 minutes. let’s not forget jumping puzzles as well…haha

the fact that wvw has map completion, mat nodes, mobs, jumping puzzles, no restriction on skills, no restrictions on gear…it IS pve. it is as far away from spvp as pve is from spvp.

Tommyknocker.6089:

kiba.2768:

still can’t figure out why people call wvw pvp. they are not the same thing…at all.

In regards to the monthly only. Does the requirement require that I defeat (i.e. kill) other players (human beings) then YES this is PVP. So it should be either event only WvW needed or be moved to a PvP monthly.

no it is not. defeating another player with no skill/gear restrictions, using npc’s to distract them, etc is NOT pvp.

there is a reason why anet has structured pvp….let’s not forget it. wvw is as unstructured as the pve world.

i wonder if any the qqers here have even stepped foot into the mists? pvp and wvw are so different it boggles my mind that people are drawing conclusions that they are one and the same…

kiba.2768:

Tommyknocker.6089:

kiba.2768:

still can’t figure out why people call wvw pvp. they are not the same thing…at all.

In regards to the monthly only. Does the requirement require that I defeat (i.e. kill) other players (human beings) then YES this is PVP. So it should be either event only WvW needed or be moved to a PvP monthly.

no it is not. defeating another player with no skill/gear restrictions, using npc’s to distract them, etc is NOT pvp.

there is a reason why anet has structured pvp….let’s not forget it. wvw is as unstructured as the pve world.

i wonder if any the qqers here have even stepped foot into the mists? pvp and wvw are so different it boggles my mind that people are drawing conclusions that they are one and the same…

Regardless of how you want it, placing bread in a toaster still gets you toast. PvP is still PvP no matter what the outside influences are If you are in a zerg or alone, with or without npc’s to help whatever the case may be, you STILL HAVE TO KILL ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. If you don’t get even this simple an explanation, then I’m sorry we’re not gong to agree on it.

kiba.2768:

Tommyknocker.6089:

kiba.2768:

still can’t figure out why people call wvw pvp. they are not the same thing…at all.

In regards to the monthly only. Does the requirement require that I defeat (i.e. kill) other players (human beings) then YES this is PVP. So it should be either event only WvW needed or be moved to a PvP monthly.

no it is not. defeating another player with no skill/gear restrictions, using npc’s to distract them, etc is NOT pvp.

there is a reason why anet has structured pvp….let’s not forget it. wvw is as unstructured as the pve world.

i wonder if any the qqers here have even stepped foot into the mists? pvp and wvw are so different it boggles my mind that people are drawing conclusions that they are one and the same…

Ok, cool. So I’ll go wander around the mists solo and do all the things I need to do for the monthly, based on your assurance of how it’s just like PvE.

kiba.2768:

Tommyknocker.6089:

kiba.2768:

still can’t figure out why people call wvw pvp. they are not the same thing…at all.

In regards to the monthly only. Does the requirement require that I defeat (i.e. kill) other players (human beings) then YES this is PVP. So it should be either event only WvW needed or be moved to a PvP monthly.

no it is not. defeating another player with no skill/gear restrictions, using npc’s to distract them, etc is NOT pvp.

there is a reason why anet has structured pvp….let’s not forget it. wvw is as unstructured as the pve world.

i wonder if any the qqers here have even stepped foot into the mists? pvp and wvw are so different it boggles my mind that people are drawing conclusions that they are one and the same…

I played 4 sPvP matches before deciding it was lame… haven’t gone into WvW since I can only expect more of the same there en-mass. Oh and supposedly there’s this whole invisible army thing making it super fun </sarcasm>

There’s NPCs in sPvP – just a whole lot less of them allowing you to gloss over that fact. If you love your tournaments so much that WvW seems like going to a Yu-gi-oh tournament with a pokemon deck then congrats – you have an opinion.

WvW is still PvP with PvE aspects – not PvE.

juno.1840:

Ayrilana.1396:

1. WvW is technically not pvp in a sense. While you do fight other players, there’s much more to it than a simple pvp match.

There are a TON of things to do in WvW — which makes it even more disappointing that the achievement is simply “kill 50 players”. That type of achievement does force you into a direct PvP mode of play. In WvW this is achieveable only in a zerg (reasonably — yeah you could solo 50 players but in a much greater length of time).

It would be nice to have the monthly use additional or alternate metrics such as “15 events completed in WvW”. I don’t want to argue about the “15” in this example, but rather discuss the example itself.

100% agreed. I would much rather prefer the WvW requirement to be tied to events rather than player kills. Some players absolutely HATE PvP and will not give it a try under any circumstances. If the monthly achievement were based on WvW events rather than WvW kills, I think more non-WvW players would find the monthly achievement achievable since there are many non-PvP aspects of WvW that they could do.

Now, there will always be that PvE segment who will complain about even having to set foot in a WvW zone. But you can’t satisfy those who fear the unknown.

Tommyknocker.6089:

STILL HAVE TO KILL ANOTHER HUMAN BEING

That’s pretty hardcore. I normally just defeat their characters & cause them some armor repair costs.

so 4 spvp matches can justify that wvw = spvp?

i think your sample size may be..lacking.

wvw is nothing like spvp for the reasons i explained. add to it you can run endlessly in wvw since there is no map restriction either. oh HEY just like pve. yet another pve similarity.

just because you think something is lame, doesn’t make it something it’s not.

Tommyknocker.6089:

kiba.2768:

Tommyknocker.6089:

kiba.2768:

still can’t figure out why people call wvw pvp. they are not the same thing…at all.

In regards to the monthly only. Does the requirement require that I defeat (i.e. kill) other players (human beings) then YES this is PVP. So it should be either event only WvW needed or be moved to a PvP monthly.

no it is not. defeating another player with no skill/gear restrictions, using npc’s to distract them, etc is NOT pvp.

there is a reason why anet has structured pvp….let’s not forget it. wvw is as unstructured as the pve world.

i wonder if any the qqers here have even stepped foot into the mists? pvp and wvw are so different it boggles my mind that people are drawing conclusions that they are one and the same…

Regardless of how you want it, placing bread in a toaster still gets you toast. PvP is still PvP no matter what the outside influences are If you are in a zerg or alone, with or without npc’s to help whatever the case may be, you STILL HAVE TO KILL ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. If you don’t get even this simple an explanation, then I’m sorry we’re not gong to agree on it.

see here, you’re positing that toast is the end result. in that sense, do you posit that pvp is the end result no matter what mode you start in?

flawed logic is flawed.
simplicity indeed.

Heimlich.3065:

Tommyknocker.6089:

STILL HAVE TO KILL ANOTHER HUMAN BEING

That’s pretty hardcore. I normally just defeat their characters & cause them some armor repair costs.

Fine, I consent (emphasis was due to poster not getting it), I am not killing the human being, but I am defeating the character being controlled by a human being and as such causes them some discomfort. Either way the character is controlled not created as pixels.

Why does everyone think they are entitled to get the monthly no matter what they play? If you don’t play WvW then the monthly isn’t for you.

Tommyknocker.6089:

Heimlich.3065:

Tommyknocker.6089:

STILL HAVE TO KILL ANOTHER HUMAN BEING

That’s pretty hardcore. I normally just defeat their characters & cause them some armor repair costs.

Fine, I consent (emphasis was due to poster not getting it), I am not killing the human being, but I am defeating the character being controlled by a human being and as such causes them some discomfort. Either way the character is controlled not created as pixels.

Actually, I do agree with your point in that particular argument. WvW is a PvP format. Obviously it’s not the only PvP format in GW2, since that includes the modes called sPvP and tPvP too.

It’s silly to arbitrarily exclude WvW from the category of PvP. You’re obviously fighting directly against other human-controlled players.

Veldan.4637:

Why does everyone think they are entitled to get the monthly no matter what they play? If you don’t play WvW then the monthly isn’t for you.

I agree with this sentiment too. I don’t have the time or inclination to kitten-around with the new Flavor-of-the-Month, so I won’t be getting the monthly-box-o-crap either.

veldan is correct. it’s called an ACHIEVEMENT. if you can’t do it, then don’t. but coming here and posting about it isn’t going to help you complete it.

my theory is that the qqers here feel as if they are ENTITLED to an ACHIEVEMENT.

no.

you are entitled to the rewards of your achievement once you’ve achieved it. apply this to the myriad aspects of real life. qq to your boss about how you can’t make the christmas bonus because of something you don’t like to do that is required. i want polaroids of their faces when you drop this theoretical bomb on them.

kiba.2768:

Tommyknocker.6089:

kiba.2768:

Tommyknocker.6089:

kiba.2768:

still can’t figure out why people call wvw pvp. they are not the same thing…at all.

In regards to the monthly only. Does the requirement require that I defeat (i.e. kill) other players (human beings) then YES this is PVP. So it should be either event only WvW needed or be moved to a PvP monthly.

no it is not. defeating another player with no skill/gear restrictions, using npc’s to distract them, etc is NOT pvp.

there is a reason why anet has structured pvp….let’s not forget it. wvw is as unstructured as the pve world.

i wonder if any the qqers here have even stepped foot into the mists? pvp and wvw are so different it boggles my mind that people are drawing conclusions that they are one and the same…

Regardless of how you want it, placing bread in a toaster still gets you toast. PvP is still PvP no matter what the outside influences are If you are in a zerg or alone, with or without npc’s to help whatever the case may be, you STILL HAVE TO KILL ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. If you don’t get even this simple an explanation, then I’m sorry we’re not gong to agree on it.

see here, you’re positing that toast is the end result. in that sense, do you posit that pvp is the end result no matter what mode you start in?

flawed logic is flawed.
simplicity indeed.

It is the end result when ANet makes it the end result in order to get your monthly. I said in regard to the MONTHLY only. You can hang around in WvW all you like and not get your monthly picking daisies, however when you want to achieve it, you must defeat other players.

Tommyknocker.6089:

kiba.2768:

Tommyknocker.6089:

kiba.2768:

Tommyknocker.6089:

kiba.2768:

still can’t figure out why people call wvw pvp. they are not the same thing…at all.

In regards to the monthly only. Does the requirement require that I defeat (i.e. kill) other players (human beings) then YES this is PVP. So it should be either event only WvW needed or be moved to a PvP monthly.

no it is not. defeating another player with no skill/gear restrictions, using npc’s to distract them, etc is NOT pvp.

there is a reason why anet has structured pvp….let’s not forget it. wvw is as unstructured as the pve world.

i wonder if any the qqers here have even stepped foot into the mists? pvp and wvw are so different it boggles my mind that people are drawing conclusions that they are one and the same…

Regardless of how you want it, placing bread in a toaster still gets you toast. PvP is still PvP no matter what the outside influences are If you are in a zerg or alone, with or without npc’s to help whatever the case may be, you STILL HAVE TO KILL ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. If you don’t get even this simple an explanation, then I’m sorry we’re not gong to agree on it.

see here, you’re positing that toast is the end result. in that sense, do you posit that pvp is the end result no matter what mode you start in?

flawed logic is flawed.
simplicity indeed.

It is the end result when ANet makes it the end result in order to get your monthly. I said in regard to the MONTHLY only. You can hang around in WvW all you like and not get your monthly picking daisies, however when you want to achieve it, you must defeat other players.

so you are against killing other players? or you can’t kill other players?

one is an issue of morality and the other one of skill.

also, no one said you had to complete the monthly achievement. simple as that.

kiba.2768:

Tommyknocker.6089:

kiba.2768:

Tommyknocker.6089:

kiba.2768:

Tommyknocker.6089:

kiba.2768:

still can’t figure out why people call wvw pvp. they are not the same thing…at all.

In regards to the monthly only. Does the requirement require that I defeat (i.e. kill) other players (human beings) then YES this is PVP. So it should be either event only WvW needed or be moved to a PvP monthly.

no it is not. defeating another player with no skill/gear restrictions, using npc’s to distract them, etc is NOT pvp.

there is a reason why anet has structured pvp….let’s not forget it. wvw is as unstructured as the pve world.

i wonder if any the qqers here have even stepped foot into the mists? pvp and wvw are so different it boggles my mind that people are drawing conclusions that they are one and the same…

Regardless of how you want it, placing bread in a toaster still gets you toast. PvP is still PvP no matter what the outside influences are If you are in a zerg or alone, with or without npc’s to help whatever the case may be, you STILL HAVE TO KILL ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. If you don’t get even this simple an explanation, then I’m sorry we’re not gong to agree on it.

see here, you’re positing that toast is the end result. in that sense, do you posit that pvp is the end result no matter what mode you start in?

flawed logic is flawed.
simplicity indeed.

It is the end result when ANet makes it the end result in order to get your monthly. I said in regard to the MONTHLY only. You can hang around in WvW all you like and not get your monthly picking daisies, however when you want to achieve it, you must defeat other players.

so you are against killing other players? or you can’t kill other players?

one is an issue of morality and the other one of skill.

If it matters, I am against killing others and but I won’t be baited into your QQ, LTP, trap ;nice try though. All that matters is that PvP in any form should not be a requirement for the NON-PVP monthly.

Tommyknocker.6089:

. All that matters is that PvP in any form should not be a requirement for the NON-PVP monthly.

It’s not the non-PVP monthly. It’s the PvE and WvW monthly. The non-PVP monthly doesn’t exist. It’s possible if someone were to post a suggestion in the suggestion forum they would consider it and include it.

so ignoring all my(valid) points? nice game you play there.

and i never insinuated any l2p mentality. i’m being as civil as anonymity grants.

fact remains: don’t do it if you can’t/won’t. no one is forcing you to get the mystic coins and karma jugs. oh, but they are nice aren’t they?

JaironKalach.4938:

Tommyknocker.6089:

. All that matters is that PvP in any form should not be a requirement for the NON-PVP monthly.

It’s not the non-PVP monthly. It’s the PvE and WvW monthly. The non-PVP monthly doesn’t exist. It’s possible if someone were to post a suggestion in the suggestion forum they would consider it and include it.

I get you point, and it would make a good suggestion. However, if one category of monthly is stated as PVP and one is not then the latter could and should be considered NON-PvP.

I think its good to have wvw part of the monthly most of pve is enhanced by wvw and how well your doing in wvw. So if your not helping your team at all your just being a leech.

if p, then q.
true.

not p, not q.
false.

Tommyknocker.6089:

I get you point, and it would make a good suggestion. However, if one category of monthly is stated as PVP and one is not then the latter could and should be considered NON-PvP.

Tommyknocker.6089:

I get you point, and it would make a good suggestion. However, if one category of monthly is stated as PVP and one is not then the latter could and should be considered NON-PvP.

I agree that that is a semantic assumption. (Whatever formal logic suggests ) The thrust of my point is that an achievement is an arbitrary goal set by the devs and that the semantic assumption doesn’t confer any kind of responsibility on their part. I do not have an expectation, for example, that as a PvE player I will always hit my daily achievements in the time I have to dedicate to this game. Nor do I believe that because it is called the daily achievement I am owed the ability to achieve it daily. I understand that it is a bar set and that I will have to stretch to reach it, if I choose to.

JaironKalach.4938:

Tommyknocker.6089:

I get you point, and it would make a good suggestion. However, if one category of monthly is stated as PVP and one is not then the latter could and should be considered NON-PvP.

I agree that that is a semantic assumption. (Whatever formal logic suggests ) The thrust of my point is that an achievement is an arbitrary goal set by the devs and that the semantic assumption doesn’t confer any kind of responsibility on their part. I do not have an expectation, for example, that as a PvE player I will always hit my daily achievements in the time I have to dedicate to this game. Nor do I believe that because it is called the daily achievement I am owed the ability to achieve it daily. I understand that it is a bar set and that I will have to stretch to reach it, if I choose to.

Well said, and although I myself have never gotten a monthly, I hold out hope that someday they may change the requirements to suit my play-style. If not, no matter I get my dailies usually and I’m happy with them. I only entered this thread to say that pvp is pvp no matter what you call it (a rose by any other name if you were).

Veldan.4637:

Why does everyone think they are entitled to get the monthly no matter what they play? If you don’t play WvW then the monthly isn’t for you.

Keep “entitlement” garbage out of the discussion please — it’s assinine and not a constructive conversation.

Nobody here asked to receive the monthly for “free” or “zero effort”. Some players are simply expressing their frustration that the monthly achievement continuously has a specific slice from the game which is WvW. It’s there every month.

If that particular slice of the game is unappealing, then you are perpetually forced to “suffer” through it for the monthly, or you avoid the monthly. To that group of players, it’s a lose-lose choice.

I personally enjoy WvW, but I don’t fault players who dislike it. Try not to belittle other players in the community simply because you like something they don’t. A bit of empathy goes a long way too… try to envision some aspect of the game you hate being on the monthly every month.

juno.1840:

try to envision some aspect of the game you hate being on the monthly every month.

But it’s already there. The action it would require of me is playing more than I find fits my schedule. Yet I’m not posting a complaint, because I understand that by not meeting the requirements, I’m not entitled to the reward. I might post in suggestions a request that there be a monthly achievement for a player with less time, but I see no reason that the existing achievement should be changed just to fit me.

Guys, it’s not about WvW being PvE or PvP, it’s all about the rewards. The monthly PvP gives rewards you can only use in sPvP, that’s why you’re required to do sPvP to get it. The regular monthly on the other hand, gives you rewards you can use in both WvW and PvE, therefore it’s required to do both WvW and PvE to get it.

JaironKalach.4938:

juno.1840:

try to envision some aspect of the game you hate being on the monthly every month.

But it’s already there. The action it would require of me is playing more than I find fits my schedule. Yet I’m not posting a complaint, because I understand that by not meeting the requirements, I’m not entitled to the reward. I might post in suggestions a request that there be a monthly achievement for a player with less time, but I see no reason that the existing achievement should be changed just to fit me.

Again the use of “entitled” which completely misses the mark.

It wasn’t a discussion of “time” — it was a discussion of “enjoyment”. Every one of the monthly achievement items changes from month to month except the WvW kills requirement. Folks are asking for that to change as well (some folks asked that it be removed as it doesn’t fit with a pure PvE achievement).

Lastly you did very little “envisioning” as I described in my post. Zero points on your ability to empathize…

I don’t believe that “time” is substantively different from “enjoyment.” And “entitled” is indeed the point. If the post had been “We need another monthly achievement for only PvE” and had been in suggestions, I would fully support the idea. However, the post is clearly in form of a complaint. “But seriously, are you guys really that against your PvE player base?” for example. Complaints generally imply not receiving something that is due one. So, yes, “entitlement” is the issue. Any time someone complains that the bar is to high to achieve something that is not an endowed right is dealing with “entitlement.”

sPvP automatically gears/levels your character to 80. WvW and general PvE does not. That is why there are two tasks. Nothing to do with pvp vs. pve.

Tommyknocker.6089:

I get you point, and it would make a good suggestion. However, if one category of monthly is stated as PVP and one is not then the latter could and should be considered NON-PvP.

I guess you are not familiar with the GW2-specific terminology. In GW2 PvP doesn’t refer to all player-killing activities, it’s actually used for the structured pvp. If you look under your achievement tab, you’ll notice that there is a PvP Conqueror category and a separate one ofr World vs World. Furthermore, both the daily and the monthly PvP achievements can only be completed in sPvP(every single activity required is only present there) and give only sPvP related rewards(tournament tickets, glory boosters, pvp salvage kits…none of those has any use outside sPvP). While I can see where the confusion comes from, making claims without bothering to do your research is extremely ignorant.

I tire of this discussion; especially when it digresses into name calling. I do know that if I must get PvP kills as a PvEer then it is no longer something I will do even if the reward is my monthly. So if I can assume that ANet will continue to include WvW in the non-pvp tab then I will forgo the monthly; so be it and no thanks. Although I must question the logic from ANet of not having a daily require even one WvW kill to qualify if the world is as intertwined as you state.