Kyrgyz Manas – Gandara[EU]
What may happen if community is kitten
why I do the things I do.
Necromancer Main
The majority of the posters, if unsatisfied, simply post their concerns and/alternative solutions here.
GW2 is full of issues and unsatisfying solutions, hence the grievances, which somestimes, however, are properly dealth with by the devs.
That’s how it is supposed to work.
The fact that for the past year+ there have been more complaints rather than appraisals on the forums is precisely because of what I have mentioned above: plenty of unresolved issues and unheard solutions and so on.
Three 80-lvl Rangers. Why? ‘Cos they’re that cool.
The majority of the posters, if unsatisfied, simply post their concerns and/alternative solutions here.
GW2 is full of issues and unsatisfying solutions, hence the grievances, which somestimes, however, are properly dealth with by the devs.
That’s how it is supposed to work.
The fact that for the past year+ there have been more complaints rather than appraisals on the forums is precisely because of what I have mentioned above: plenty of unresolved issues and unheard solutions and so on.
If you think the forums are supposed to look like they did when patch 9/9 came out then that is a very ugly reality you live. 9/9 patch showed the people who really care about the game and the QQ/Rage people who wanted to destroy this community by “Hey everyone BURN IT TO THE GROUND!” or “LEAVE EVERYONE LEAVE!!” Constructive criticism is one thing blind rage because things aren’t the way you wanted is something completely different. LOL heck how many people complained hey we can’t die in beginning zone lol well yeah that has been in place since launch of game but sometimes people would rather talk poop then anything else.
Necromancer Main
The majority of the posters, if unsatisfied, simply post their concerns and/alternative solutions here.
GW2 is full of issues and unsatisfying solutions, hence the grievances, which somestimes, however, are properly dealth with by the devs.
That’s how it is supposed to work.
The fact that for the past year+ there have been more complaints rather than appraisals on the forums is precisely because of what I have mentioned above: plenty of unresolved issues and unheard solutions and so on.
If you think the forums are supposed to look like they did when patch 9/9 came out then that is a very ugly reality you live. 9/9 patch showed the people who really care about the game and the QQ/Rage people who wanted to destroy this community by “Hey everyone BURN IT TO THE GROUND!” or “LEAVE EVERYONE LEAVE!!” Constructive criticism is one thing blind rage because things aren’t the way you wanted is something completely different. LOL heck how many people complained hey we can’t die in beginning zone lol well yeah that has been in place since launch of game but sometimes people would rather talk poop then anything else.
The only person who is raging atm is you. I suggest you calm down.
The forums will always be full of both HATERS and WHITE KNIGHTS, and atm I could name you a couple of old players in both of these groups right away, who still post here regularly.
It is just the way it is, and let’s face it, the recent changes were, to say the least, terribly researched prior to implementing.
Three 80-lvl Rangers. Why? ‘Cos they’re that cool.
The majority of the posters, if unsatisfied, simply post their concerns and/alternative solutions here.
GW2 is full of issues and unsatisfying solutions, hence the grievances, which somestimes, however, are properly dealth with by the devs.
That’s how it is supposed to work.
The fact that for the past year+ there have been more complaints rather than appraisals on the forums is precisely because of what I have mentioned above: plenty of unresolved issues and unheard solutions and so on.
If you think the forums are supposed to look like they did when patch 9/9 came out then that is a very ugly reality you live. 9/9 patch showed the people who really care about the game and the QQ/Rage people who wanted to destroy this community by “Hey everyone BURN IT TO THE GROUND!” or “LEAVE EVERYONE LEAVE!!” Constructive criticism is one thing blind rage because things aren’t the way you wanted is something completely different. LOL heck how many people complained hey we can’t die in beginning zone lol well yeah that has been in place since launch of game but sometimes people would rather talk poop then anything else.
The only person who is raging atm is you. I suggest you calm down.
The forums will always be full of both HATERS and WHITE KNIGHTS, and atm I could name you a couple of old players in both of these groups right away, who still post here regularly.
It is just the way it is, and let’s face it, the recent changes were, to say the least, terribly researched prior to implementing.
Lol how am I raging? And no if your argument is to defend peoples “right” to be rude your mistaken. You go to court you have to be respectful having an opinion and having manners and self control are two different things. If you scream and yell and call the judge or anyone names you get kicked thats how it works in a civilized society.
Necromancer Main
The majority of the posters, if unsatisfied, simply post their concerns and/alternative solutions here.
GW2 is full of issues and unsatisfying solutions, hence the grievances, which somestimes, however, are properly dealth with by the devs.
That’s how it is supposed to work.
The fact that for the past year+ there have been more complaints rather than appraisals on the forums is precisely because of what I have mentioned above: plenty of unresolved issues and unheard solutions and so on.
A massive variable for the current state of the forums is that the community was ignored for a half year. That built up a lot of steam that simple communication could have fixed. Unfortunately, there is still frustration even though there is the sudden “all hands on deck” show due to their self-imposed policy of non-communication. The community can now talk..but only about certain things. And management can answer..within self-imposed parameters.
And, even though that is going on, there are still long-standing issues that remain unresolved and aren’t being talked about, like Traits. Yes, Chris acknowledged it and sent Jon over there to say something. However, all he asked for was more feedback, even though there was 4 months of highly detailed feedback there. It doesn’t build confidence in their communication system, or gain them credibility that in their assertions that they “read and listen”. Rather, it builds more frustration and reinforces the distrust that has been building since early in the year.
So (to the OP), the solution to having your community drop the torches and pitchforks is to be pro-active so they don’t have a reason to riot in the first place.
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The majority of the posters, if unsatisfied, simply post their concerns and/alternative solutions here.
GW2 is full of issues and unsatisfying solutions, hence the grievances, which somestimes, however, are properly dealth with by the devs.
That’s how it is supposed to work.
The fact that for the past year+ there have been more complaints rather than appraisals on the forums is precisely because of what I have mentioned above: plenty of unresolved issues and unheard solutions and so on.
If you think the forums are supposed to look like they did when patch 9/9 came out then that is a very ugly reality you live. 9/9 patch showed the people who really care about the game and the QQ/Rage people who wanted to destroy this community by “Hey everyone BURN IT TO THE GROUND!” or “LEAVE EVERYONE LEAVE!!” Constructive criticism is one thing blind rage because things aren’t the way you wanted is something completely different. LOL heck how many people complained hey we can’t die in beginning zone lol well yeah that has been in place since launch of game but sometimes people would rather talk poop then anything else.
The only person who is raging atm is you. I suggest you calm down.
The forums will always be full of both HATERS and WHITE KNIGHTS, and atm I could name you a couple of old players in both of these groups right away, who still post here regularly.
It is just the way it is, and let’s face it, the recent changes were, to say the least, terribly researched prior to implementing.
Lol how am I raging? And no if your argument is to defend peoples “right” to be rude your mistaken. You go to court you have to be respectful having an opinion and having manners and self control are two different things. If you scream and yell and call the judge or anyone names you get kicked thats how it works in a civilized society.
No, I’m stating that there are two different groups of people here: HATERS ( the ones you seem to be focusing on, who are rude, disrespectful and so on ) and WHITE KNIGHTS ( who, even if completely aware of the issues, will always defend the game, hence inhibiting the healthy constructive criticism, and who also are rude, disrespectful and so on ). Hence, what we have here is INFRACTION SYSTEM, which, imo, works “not bad”.
What I’m saying to you is this: you will never get rid of such people, never. You will tame the behaviour, limit their presence, but you’ll never eradicate the negative behaviour.
That’s all, no need to dwell on this further.
Three 80-lvl Rangers. Why? ‘Cos they’re that cool.
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The majority of the posters, if unsatisfied, simply post their concerns and/alternative solutions here.
GW2 is full of issues and unsatisfying solutions, hence the grievances, which somestimes, however, are properly dealth with by the devs.
That’s how it is supposed to work.
The fact that for the past year+ there have been more complaints rather than appraisals on the forums is precisely because of what I have mentioned above: plenty of unresolved issues and unheard solutions and so on.
you’re right at some point but still, developers with each step they make with each decision they face both people who accept those changes and those who decline.
You cannot please everyone, since everyone have their own simple world in their heads of how stuff should work with.
When I’m reading forums myself I can tell that over 70% of forum posters who complain about changes, how stuff work, etc, simply do not know that stick has two endings.
Same goes with proposal to changes, player made solutions, ideas.
Most of them, or I can even say almost all of them are faced toward their own class, while abandoning the balance with other classes. They can’t see that stick has two endings, and if you propose a change, you should see what’s affecting it, and how affected things should be taken care of.
One of the devs I know, who was actually bored of those all balance crap and arguments, qq, cry whining etc said something like:
- “Let’s make everyone to have 1 HP and 1 MP and let them fight. Fair and Square.”
Obviously, it would be totally fair and square – but what about people? Would they still be divided into those who complain because it’s not balanced enough, and those who are enjoying it?
Of course.
I am happy to see that Anet is working on the game.
Not all changes make me smile, but I’m happy with overall work and changes.
Guess people on forums tend to be pretty too much negative about the game, and they seem to taunt each other to be even more negative.
Did I ever tell you, the definition, of Insanity?
Playing Oligopoly’s Advocate (The Devil isn’t all that scary any more), sometimes people make assumptions to fill fact voids. Much, not all, of people making assumptions about things could be quelled by providing facts.
This is a general statement, I don’t know anything about that game or the developers, but often times we don’t get a clear idea of what a company believes in. Random changes with no patch notes. Silence when asked why. Silence when asked if it will be changed back. It’s too easy to put a tin foil hat on and assume, “They changed that because of [pressure from silent group A] and they won’t tell us that’s the real answer or whether they will change it back, because if they do that, then some of us leave, and they’d rather string us along as long as they can and hope we buy a few more things from the cash shop before it’s all over.”
When, they could just be brave and say, “We did that to make American safe for NASCAR!”, or whatever the reason may be, and we can decide whether we believe in that or not. There are lots of products I no longer buy after getting a clear picture of what the owner’s and/or operators believe in. No need to assume anything. “Oh, they believe that.” And then that works for you and you don’t post assumptions any more, or it doesn’t and you leave.
The majority of the posters, if unsatisfied, simply post their concerns and/alternative solutions here.
GW2 is full of issues and unsatisfying solutions, hence the grievances, which somestimes, however, are properly dealth with by the devs.
That’s how it is supposed to work.
The fact that for the past year+ there have been more complaints rather than appraisals on the forums is precisely because of what I have mentioned above: plenty of unresolved issues and unheard solutions and so on.
If you think the forums are supposed to look like they did when patch 9/9 came out then that is a very ugly reality you live. 9/9 patch showed the people who really care about the game and the QQ/Rage people who wanted to destroy this community by “Hey everyone BURN IT TO THE GROUND!” or “LEAVE EVERYONE LEAVE!!” Constructive criticism is one thing blind rage because things aren’t the way you wanted is something completely different. LOL heck how many people complained hey we can’t die in beginning zone lol well yeah that has been in place since launch of game but sometimes people would rather talk poop then anything else.
The only person who is raging atm is you. I suggest you calm down.
The forums will always be full of both HATERS and WHITE KNIGHTS, and atm I could name you a couple of old players in both of these groups right away, who still post here regularly.
It is just the way it is, and let’s face it, the recent changes were, to say the least, terribly researched prior to implementing.
Lol how am I raging? And no if your argument is to defend peoples “right” to be rude your mistaken. You go to court you have to be respectful having an opinion and having manners and self control are two different things. If you scream and yell and call the judge or anyone names you get kicked thats how it works in a civilized society.
No, I’m stating that there are two different groups of people here: HATRES ( the ones you seem to be focusing on, who are rude, disrespectful and so on ) and WHITE KNIGHTS ( who, even if completely aware of the issues, will always defend the game, hence inhibiting the healthy constructive criticism, and who also are rude, disrespectful and son ). Hence, what we have here is INFRACTION SYSTEM, which, imo, works “not bad”.
What I’m saying to you is this: you will never get rid of such people, never. You will tame the behaviour, limit their presence, but you’ll never eradicate the negative behaviour.
That’s all, no need to dwell on this further.
I understand and agree with you to some extent. But we create our own reality and if we accept insults, rage any everything else from “haters” or “white knights” then the whole community goes to poop. The point I’m trying to make is you don’t have to insult to critique. People seem to forget that these are two different things. And if you accept the behavior of people who can only complain and insult but not give good feedback then what will happen is simple developers stop checking the forums and the community as a whole gets stuck with the bill because of the 5 vocal people who called their friends to join in and make a small thing turn into a big thing because it affected their own personal and selfish wants. Funny how in patch day 9/9 was so many “Lets quit” topics and “A-net you idiots” topics but when that wasn’t accepted by the community as a whole the topics turned in “NPE feedback” and “9/9 feedback”.
Necromancer Main
The majority of the posters, if unsatisfied, simply post their concerns and/alternative solutions here.
GW2 is full of issues and unsatisfying solutions, hence the grievances, which somestimes, however, are properly dealth with by the devs.
That’s how it is supposed to work.
The fact that for the past year+ there have been more complaints rather than appraisals on the forums is precisely because of what I have mentioned above: plenty of unresolved issues and unheard solutions and so on.
A massive variable for the current state of the forums is that the community was ignored for a half year. That built up a lot of steam that simple communication could have fixed. Unfortunately, there is still frustration even though there is the sudden “all hands on deck” show due to their self-imposed policy of non-communication. The community can now talk..but only about certain things. And management can answer..within self-imposed parameters.
And, even though that is going on, there are still long-standing issues that remain unresolved and aren’t being talked about, like Traits. Yes, Chris acknowledged it and sent Jon over there to say something. However, all he asked for was more feedback, even though there was 4 months of highly detailed feedback there. It doesn’t build confidence in their communication system, or gain them credibility that in their assertions that they “read and listen”. Rather, it builds more frustration and reinforces the distrust that has been building since early in the year.
So (to the OP), the solution to having your community drop the torches and pitchforks is to be pro-active so they don’t have a reason to riot in the first place.
Exactly. That is why I said that the reason is the “unheard and unresolved issues”, which as you stated correctly, were neglected by the devs.
Three 80-lvl Rangers. Why? ‘Cos they’re that cool.
to get back on topic, It wont happen like Day Z.
Simple reason for that is
1) The current situation exists not because of bashing of devs but bcz of their lack of communication
2) This game loses it’s player-base that moves on to other stuff, some stick around the forums to give constructive feedback in the hope for improvement, some drop completely.
And all the forum talk (I guess rage in your eyes OP) is due to a poorly designed and implemented system meant to “help” new players learn the game and mechanics while not overloading them, but does a worse job than some of the stuff that was already in place prior to the patch. Not only that, but just by having our feedback, they could’ve made changes that actually helped new players.
Yes the system pre-NPE was confusing to some new players (some of my friends are perfect examples), but the NPE didn’t improve things, it made it worse overall. And not only that, but you go through the NPE process even if you have a lvl 80 of every class and are in the process of levelling a 10th alt.
Crafting improvements? 1/2 the time the button isn’t there for a sub-recipe.
Anet’s attitude towards the whole “party leader” issue the new patch created.
And lets not even get into the issues that the community has been telling them since beta and are still present in game.
PS: Well known [very appreciated] players stated they left the game because of all the issues. Trust me, there are a lot more people that haven’t openly said they quit that actually quit the game, some of which are still active on the forums for a glimpse of hope.
Since the opening post of the thread has nothing to do with Guild Wars 2, this topic is now closed.