Guild Wars 2

What do you do when you have 9 characters (8 of them level 80 w/ multiple weapons some multiple gear sets and cultural tier 3 armor) and you’re getting stomped in wvw, you have no need for dungeon running because everyone’s geared, and there just isn’t anything you really want to do but you still want to play.? I’d think farm for the chance of a good drop. As if you haven’t killed this game enough with the drop nerfs, you slid a few more things in there. I just wonder where it’ll end. The chances of getting an exotic drop with 130% MF are 0 .0000000001% but if the sky falls and you do get one, it’s one of the “many” 1 gold one’s that you added (worthless). Now I can’t press ctrl to view my missed drops. lmao. You sincerely want me to miss the few drops that I do get ? Come on guys. I’ve been a good player. Spent 500-600 US $‘s in the gem store and I’m just one player. You guys can’t be hurting for gem sales that bad. Bad enough to ruin the game.? Just killed an orr boss and didn’t get the daily. Not sure if you took daily chests out and I don’t wanna know. I look forward to playing this game when I get home and I play it so much that I need to switch things up. I need to farm every now and then to refresh. I know you’re relying on new players but they’ll run out eventually. Think about the guys that have been here since beta and head start before it’s too late. PLEASE.. Don’t kill the best game I’ve ever played so soon

If you are getting stomped – learn to play. If you are getting stomped by ****tons of players – learn to play. Avoid them. lol

you have no need for dungeon running because everyone’s geared – I believe this includes you? If yes, why farm?

I hit a spine?

Son Of Suns.6593:

Bad enough to ruin the game.? Just killed an orr boss and didn’t get the daily.

Which boss did you kill?

I agree just came back because minor improvements to the engineer class in PVE and found that loot is still a huge issue. I think their RNG is WAY too random. There’s still the issue of people without magic find getting 4 times the loot of everyone else every single week, there’s definitely something wrong.

Son Of Suns.6593:

What do you do when
. . .
you have no need for dungeon running because everyone’s geared, and there just isn’t anything you really want to do but you still want to play.?

The point of dungeons is not for gearing.

The point is to play them to enjoy them. If you don’t enjoy them, might not be the MMO for you.

I can sympathize with the OP. I kind of enjoy farming, and think it’s relaxing. If I don’t have something specific going on in the guild, it would be nice to go out and be able to kill or harvest things at my leisure. I would particularly like to see MOBs with specific rare drops, such as minis or themed skins. I enjoy that kind of treasure hunt activity once and a while.

Now that truely was a wall of text….

All I can say is try a few different builds in WvW. If you do have all 8 classes you should be able to find 1 atleast you can do well with in WvW.

As for farming it does exist in this game, just not how people want it to is all. Farming by the old method of killing the same mobs in an area is not what they want but you can farm in other ways such as:

1 – Farm events.
2 – Farm Daily boss chests.
3 – Farm dungeons.
4 – Farm lvl 10 quest on alts (delete and remake) for bltc keys. this can be good cash if you get lucky. :P

Kichwas.7152:

Son Of Suns.6593:

What do you do when
. . .
you have no need for dungeon running because everyone’s geared, and there just isn’t anything you really want to do but you still want to play.?

The point of dungeons is not for gearing.

The point is to play them to enjoy them. If you don’t enjoy them, might not be the MMO for you.

Oh the irony, about a game that was launched as the “open world only focus” game of the year no less. If this were World of Warcraft you could get away with saying something like that, but it’s not, it was marketed as the alternative to the World of Warcraft mmo’s that plagued all of mmo existence by people who claimed they were gamers who understood the plights of the average mmo gamer and our needs.

OP as it happens I completely agree with you. You and I should stick together because these guys who are the continuous naysayer bunch think they can just make blankeyed observations and that it’s somehow true. Claiming that farming exists in a game with DR is like saying that driving exists in a road full of GAINT potholes where you never know how long the tow truck will arrive or how long it will take to get your car out of the hole. And they know it, these (ahem people) definitely know it.

oh and to those who keep saying this game isn’t about open world events and it’s not about farming, then explain to us the reason they made it such for the first month and a half after telling us it was all about choices for 7 years prior to launch, all choices leading to the same end game rewards, go ahead (looks at watch), we’re waiting, no really take your time

If you’ve done everything you can do, perhaps you might want to invest some time in helping to update the wiki which is a very lacking resource at the moment. Help new players, and players that have very specific questions. We don’t have enough wikiers!

Kichwas.7152:

Son Of Suns.6593:

What do you do when
. . .
you have no need for dungeon running because everyone’s geared, and there just isn’t anything you really want to do but you still want to play.?

The point of dungeons is not for gearing.

The point is to play them to enjoy them. If you don’t enjoy them, might not be the MMO for you.

So it’s true. We really can’t have a single critique/appeal about the game without someone pulling the ‘gtfo u arnt the targit audence wrong game for u lol’ card.

Farming depends on where you go and what you’re looking for, if you go to cursed shore then you’re definitely not going to have a good a good time. Getting to 80 and gearing is easy, what you are geared in is another question, random level 80 exotic weapon or a fancy skinned exotic weapon?

The drop rate is crap and if you go out hoping to get something good as a dro kitten etting yourself up for disappointment. As for Magic find, it usually doesn’t make a difference but it did seem to work in the Molten dungeon for 2 runs.

If you really want to farm, use long chained events like the temple purification events in Orr or just farm dungeons, those mobs have better loot tables than randoms. DR wont affect you as those events constantly move you around and reset if they fail. If that doesn’t appeal to you then go join a zerg in WvW every loot bag dropped by a player has a chance of an exotic.

After 2500 hours I would quit the game.

I didn’t even spend that many hours on GW1 over 7 years and I’ve got 50/50 GWAMM in that game. I don’t play GW1 anymore. I finished the game. Frankly, that’s a good feeling.

The answer is simple – play the aspects of the game that you enjoy playing and stop worrying as much about how many moldy bags you are picking up. If you enjoy particular dungeons – than run those dungeons. If you enjoy doing dynamic events – then do those events. Like anything else, the game is what you make it.

Ive found that, if you stop trying to find a way around the game and actually play it, you will enjoy it a lot more.

Additionally, diminishing returns are no where near as bad as the (very) few end-of-worlders on these forums make them out to be. I play alot (alot) – make a decent amount of gold – and I never run into diminishing return. Most people I know don’t even think about DR. As long as you dont try to stand in the same small area for hours on end, or run the same dungeon path 20 times a day, it wont really effect you. Like Noodlz mentions above, the long temple chains and WvW are great for people who feel like they have to farm to enjoy the game (and both events are fun).

2500 hours, seriously? That’s 73 hours per week, that’s almost twice as much time as ppl who have a full time job. I’d hate my job if I had to spend that much time doing it, without any holidays (!) How can you expect a game to still surprise you or offer new content if you spend that much time in it? I truly believe it would be healthy if you’d get another hobby beside gaming.

After 2500 hours of gaming… there is a life.

Holy skritt! Dude how can you play so much?! Addicted gaming is the first problem you need to solve.

2500 HOURS!? in one game?

Wow. Just wow.

Since the game has been out roughly 8.5 months.
8.5 × 30 days = 255 days
2500/255 = 9.8 hours every day since launch.

You sir need to go outside for a bit.

Jam.4521:

2500 HOURS!? in one game?

Wow. Just wow.

Since the game has been out roughly 8.5 months.
8.5 × 30 days = 255 days
2500/255 = 9.8 hours every day since launch.

You sir need to go outside for a bit.

That’s a bad idea, this player is one of those people that keep the population high in games, you cant send him outside….Think of the population!!!

I salute you Son Of Suns.6593

Oh it and seems you found the endgame content, yeah I said it that’s right. All the epic … things you can do late game, full of content and excitement / purpose.

Its funny that people pick apart semantics in posts, and assume the person is clueless.

After 2500 hours I’m pretty sure he knows what orr bosses give what, and I’ll bet you “getting stomped” doesn’t refer gonna inability to do well himself, rather his server.

On topic: come up with as ,any builds as you can for your , even if they’re not meant to be min/max builds, just something that’s interesting and fun.

Other than that, probably all that’s left is grinding for more legendaries or helping out other people with your most fun class to play

Also, work on completing achievements. After 2500 hours you’re probably pretty far along.

Go for a mini collection?

Malleus Maleficarum.2603:

Its funny that people pick apart semantics in posts, and assume the person is clueless.

After 2500 hours I’m pretty sure he knows what orr bosses give what, and I’ll bet you “getting stomped” doesn’t refer gonna inability to do well himself, rather his server.

On topic: come up with as ,any builds as you can for your , even if they’re not meant to be min/max builds, just something that’s interesting and fun.

Other than that, probably all that’s left is grinding for more legendaries or helping out other people with your most fun class to play

lol grinding, how fun.

Such a shame the gear isn’t put to good use, then it might be worth it.

Its not grinding if you accomplish things just by playing. I probably shouldn’t have phrased it like that, I only did because legendaries require a lot of supplies. Say he goes around helping others, while doing that be makes money, with that money he buys things for his legendary. That’s a hell of a lot different than running pent/shelter/jofast/ cof1.

Gustoril.4195:

Jam.4521:

2500 HOURS!? in one game?

Wow. Just wow.

Since the game has been out roughly 8.5 months.
8.5 × 30 days = 255 days
2500/255 = 9.8 hours every day since launch.

You sir need to go outside for a bit.

That’s a bad idea, this player is one of those people that keep the population high in games, you cant send him outside….Think of the population!!!

I salute you Son Of Suns.6593

Oh it and seems you found the endgame content, yeah I said it that’s right. All the epic … things you can do late game, full of content and excitement / purpose.

Dude he needs to get outside for his own good, the game will survive, let him explore the great outdoors and see the great big ball of fire in the sky, let him feel fresh air, and maybe if he’s really lucky he could see one of the mystical ‘females’ on his travels.

mystical ‘females’ lol epic, Should get one of those T shirts that has “I logged out for this?” written on it

Manage a guild? Ofc it would be nice if we had more support tools to utilize, but never the less it’s something to do.

Son Of Suns.6593:

What do you do when you have 9 characters (8 of them level 80 w/ multiple weapons some multiple gear sets and cultural tier 3 armor) and you’re getting stomped in wvw, you have no need for dungeon running because everyone’s geared, and there just isn’t anything you really want to do but you still want to play.? I’d think farm for the chance of a good drop. As if you haven’t killed this game enough with the drop nerfs, you slid a few more things in there. I just wonder where it’ll end. The chances of getting an exotic drop with 130% MF are 0 .0000000001% but if the sky falls and you do get one, it’s one of the “many” 1 gold one’s that you added (worthless). Now I can’t press ctrl to view my missed drops. lmao. You sincerely want me to miss the few drops that I do get ? Come on guys. I’ve been a good player. Spent 500-600 US $‘s in the gem store and I’m just one player. You guys can’t be hurting for gem sales that bad. Bad enough to ruin the game.? Just killed an orr boss and didn’t get the daily. Not sure if you took daily chests out and I don’t wanna know. I look forward to playing this game when I get home and I play it so much that I need to switch things up. I need to farm every now and then to refresh. I know you’re relying on new players but they’ll run out eventually. Think about the guys that have been here since beta and head start before it’s too late. PLEASE.. Don’t kill the best game I’ve ever played so soon

Hard to believe you played 2500+ hours since that would mean playing approximately on average 11 hours+ a day since launch.

I’m going to assume that you don’t have full ascended infused jewelry/backpiece on every one of your characters. (Given the time restrictions on laurels/guild bounty tokens) That would be something to do going forward.

Also, if you are getting stomped in wvw, find a good guild to run with and improve your own strats.

Get ascended gear for all of your characters.

Currently, I have 8 level 80s and only one of them has a full set of ascended accessories.

The way Anet has gated the ability to earn ascended trinkets means that you will most-likely need to actually work for them over a long period of time.

Start easiest and work your way up.

Ascended Rings for all your toons.
(Easily Achieved by doing fractals 10+ dailies till you get 10 pristine fractal relics)

Ascended Backpieces.
(Takes a bit more time, 1350 relics total for an ascended back item)

Ascended Amulets.
(Will take the most time, 30 laurels, but very casual)

Ascended Earrings.
(Guild Missions, 6 commendations a week, 12 to get an earring)

The concept of farming is lost on most of the GW2 community, I think. I have farmed some in every other game.

Take Sunday morning, before the server gets busy, and go fishing. Use the fish oil or fishes for potions or sell them for a little profit. Fishing was relaxing.

Maybe do some mining. Always could use ore, or could sell it. And one could never have enough spider silk.

As for GW2…well, there’s no fishing. I know where there is ore and gardens to pick. But they are pretty far apart from each other, and the cost to portal there would most likely not make it worthwhile with the cross-server TP. The deal with other games is find out what is not being farmed much on your server, or crafted much, and fill a need. Not much need to fill with normal farming in GW2 as far as I have been able to make out.

Doesn’t mean I don’t make any money on TP from drops. Mostly from low level mats/items when I am down-leveled. But it is inconsistent, and I wouldn’t call it farming.

I go to Orr now and again. I do temples. I have seen event chains succeed and fail. Either way, I’m usually not all that excited about the drops. I get more excited finding Orch or trees. I’m lucky to get two Orch ores out of salvaging items that won’t sell on TP. Mostly I do Orr because it’s something different to do, and I feel like I’m helping out when we turn a Temple.

I would only consider doing dungeons on a regular basis if they dropped something special like skins or stats. But that requires a setup of a certain boss always has a chance to drop something. And that would require that we have a costume slot. So yeah, there’s that.

As for the suggestion of helping out in lower levels, I do, when I am there. I don’t leave people hanging. But, I miss being able to help lower levels run dungeons. Being lowered down means hubby and I can’t run across a newbie or two and run them. That’s a part of community that I miss. I don’t need anything out of the dungeons. I don’t need money from dungeons, but it was fun to help new persons learn a dungeon or get a cool drop they could use. We help out with events, but it’s not quite the same. Not really in a party. Not really talking. Not really getting to know anyone, or share in the experience with them.

So, yes, I understand where the OP is coming from. It’s different here. Some of it very good. Some things I miss.

Oh, and as for ascended gear, I don’t support it. I don’t agree with it, and I won’t spend my time on it. I would rather buy the little dog pet with my laurels (which is what I am saving for now), than to support ascended gear. I’ll support the gem store, the living story content…almost anything besides ascended gear.

Nice post though on how to attain it, for those that do want it.

stpetemermaid.5947:

I don’t need money from dungeons, but it was fun to help new persons learn a dungeon or get a cool drop they could use. We help out with events, but it’s not quite the same. Not really in a party. Not really talking. Not really getting to know anyone, or share in the experience with them.

when it comes to new people figuring out dungeons you can still help them.
I met a level 80 while doing Elemental event in Metrica providence. The person was very new (played only for 6 days) and didn’t know even where the reactor was. So I partied up with him and showed him. He joined both guilds that me and my boyfriend were in. Later we started doing dungeons with him, teaching him the mechanics and showing off various easier dungeons ( for now anyway).
So yeah, you can still run new people trough dungeons. Your help there will still be appreciated.

I have no idea how you stayed in the game for so long without being in a guild…
MMO’s are designed to keep people engaged upto a certain degree which is where the social obligation comes in with Guilds. In guilds with people who eventually become friends keep players in the game…so if you wish to keep playing and not notice this boredom recruit some friends into your guild. This social obligation will keep you busy and let you forget how you have finished all content in the game while you organize events and manage the guild.

I think the OP’s real complaint is that you can no longer press ctrl and have your drops light up, which makes them more difficult to find, especially in WvW or Orr where the events move on quickly.

Also, getting stomped in WvW isn’t something one person can really change. There are match-ups going now where the same three teams have been pitted against each other for week after week after week and the last place team has been badly beaten in each of those matches. At that point the sense of helplessness and lack of morale steal the enjoyment of WvW away very quickly.

There are valid complaints in the OP.

Aye.8392:

There are valid complaints in the OP.

+1 your response Aye but I think you should add “the” into the ending above. The OP has way more complaints but “these are ‘the’ valid complaints in the OP”

I’d like to chime in on what I took as the OP’s primary, or at least one of the primary, points of his post. The RNG for loot drops is broken. Some players for some reason get really good drops a majority of the time and others get crap loot a majority of the time. I have played since early beta and have seen it over and over. Not sure why but it is an observed reality. I am in a large and active guild and there are a small set of people who just get really good loot from their drops. Be it exotics or charged lodestones or even the occasional precursor they just seem to get them where most of the rest of us do not. These people play as often as I do, which is a lot. (I need to go outside too) and they are geared to the max with multiple legendaries full exotic or better gear etc. I am still trying to get a precursor so I can either sell it to afford the precursor I need or get the one I need. I farm all the daily chests I can almost every day and have seen maybe 3 exotics in the last 3 months. I still love the game and will still keep pluging away towards my goals but it would be nice, if its possible, to get the RNG fixed, tweaked something to provide a slightly better chance of exotic drops.

Son Of Suns.6593:

What do you do when you have 9 characters (8 of them level 80 w/ multiple weapons some multiple gear sets and cultural tier 3 armor) and you’re getting stomped in wvw, you have no need for dungeon running because everyone’s geared, and there just isn’t anything you really want to do but you still want to play.? I’d think farm for the chance of a good drop. As if you haven’t killed this game enough with the drop nerfs, you slid a few more things in there. I just wonder where it’ll end. The chances of getting an exotic drop with 130% MF are 0 .0000000001% but if the sky falls and you do get one, it’s one of the “many” 1 gold one’s that you added (worthless). Now I can’t press ctrl to view my missed drops. lmao. You sincerely want me to miss the few drops that I do get ? Come on guys. I’ve been a good player. Spent 500-600 US $‘s in the gem store and I’m just one player. You guys can’t be hurting for gem sales that bad. Bad enough to ruin the game.? Just killed an orr boss and didn’t get the daily. Not sure if you took daily chests out and I don’t wanna know. I look forward to playing this game when I get home and I play it so much that I need to switch things up. I need to farm every now and then to refresh. I know you’re relying on new players but they’ll run out eventually. Think about the guys that have been here since beta and head start before it’s too late. PLEASE.. Don’t kill the best game I’ve ever played so soon

This basically shines a huge, glaring light at the problem with MMOs today.

For anyone who plays Skyrim, or any other single player RPG- how many of you explore a dungeon or do a task because you want the mad loots at the end? I dunno about you, but not me. What about Sandbox MMOs? Do you focus most of your tasks around mad loots at the end? Not me.

Why? Because actually doing the stuff is fun to me in those games. But most modern MMOs have gotten rid of the concept of making content fun and instead just make it rewarding. The end result? “I don’t have any more gear to get from this instance… why should I run it?!”.

That isn’t the fault of the player, it’s the fault of the game itself that its content just isn’t enjoyable enough to run more than a couple of times on its own merit :-\

That just bugs me with MMOs sometimes.

Jam.4521:

2500 HOURS!? in one game?

Wow. Just wow.

Since the game has been out roughly 8.5 months.
8.5 × 30 days = 255 days
2500/255 = 9.8 hours every day since launch.

You sir need to go outside for a bit.

I did this with the launch of WOW. I averaged 14 hours a day for 4 months uninterrupted. I was so bad I stopped going to some of my college classes to play more WOW. Playing an MMO to this level is not healthy, physically or mentally, I do not recommend it, for anyone, ever…

Jam.4521:

2500 HOURS!? in one game?

Wow. Just wow.

Since the game has been out roughly 8.5 months.
8.5 × 30 days = 255 days
2500/255 = 9.8 hours every day since launch.

You sir need to go outside for a bit.

Im also having a hard time wrapping my head around it.

I have ~2500 hours in GW1. But I played that game from the day it released (didn’t play beta and there wasn’t a headstart- just the day it hit store shelves) until GW2 released (some odd 6-7 years later). >_> I can’t imagine logging all of that time over the course of 9 months.

Tolmos.8395:

Son Of Suns.6593:

What do you do when you have 9 characters (8 of them level 80 w/ multiple weapons some multiple gear sets and cultural tier 3 armor) and you’re getting stomped in wvw, you have no need for dungeon running because everyone’s geared, and there just isn’t anything you really want to do but you still want to play.? I’d think farm for the chance of a good drop. As if you haven’t killed this game enough with the drop nerfs, you slid a few more things in there. I just wonder where it’ll end. The chances of getting an exotic drop with 130% MF are 0 .0000000001% but if the sky falls and you do get one, it’s one of the “many” 1 gold one’s that you added (worthless). Now I can’t press ctrl to view my missed drops. lmao. You sincerely want me to miss the few drops that I do get ? Come on guys. I’ve been a good player. Spent 500-600 US $‘s in the gem store and I’m just one player. You guys can’t be hurting for gem sales that bad. Bad enough to ruin the game.? Just killed an orr boss and didn’t get the daily. Not sure if you took daily chests out and I don’t wanna know. I look forward to playing this game when I get home and I play it so much that I need to switch things up. I need to farm every now and then to refresh. I know you’re relying on new players but they’ll run out eventually. Think about the guys that have been here since beta and head start before it’s too late. PLEASE.. Don’t kill the best game I’ve ever played so soon

This basically shines a huge, glaring light at the problem with MMOs today.

For anyone who plays Skyrim, or any other single player RPG- how many of you explore a dungeon or do a task because you want the mad loots at the end? I dunno about you, but not me. What about Sandbox MMOs? Do you focus most of your tasks around mad loots at the end? Not me.

Why? Because actually doing the stuff is fun to me in those games. But most modern MMOs have gotten rid of the concept of making content fun and instead just make it rewarding. The end result? “I don’t have any more gear to get from this instance… why should I run it?!”.

That isn’t the fault of the player, it’s the fault of the game itself that its content just isn’t enjoyable enough to run more than a couple of times on its own merit :-\

That just bugs me with MMOs sometimes.

Yeah but what pve game out there can keep people playing for years that doesn’t involve grinding at some point. After you played through the content, once maybe twice. You’ve seen everything that game as too offer, and other then the multiplayer part of it, why would you play it anymore?
The one fault of the player is that they always want more, not really a bad thing , but unless a game keeps adding content or have long term goals in the game that keep them playing, they will move on to something else. whats does a company got to do to keep them in?

Your post is a little contradictory. You claim that drop rates are too low and then you complain that the items only sell for 1 or 2 gold. Those statements are contradictory to each other. The prices of items (for the most part) are based upon rarity. If the rare items are only selling for 1-2g then they aren’t rare, they drop too often. A rare item is one that is selling for 100+ gold.

Surprisingly enough most of the rare items that cost 100g or more are ones that you need to farm to obtain the mats for them to forge them in the MF. Go make a mjolnir or two, that should keep you busy.