Guild Wars 2

I’m thinking it’s a huge overreaction and it’s not that big of deal.
For example, for all I care an Bloodstone Shard can be replaced by 200x Scroll of Knowledge. Works out fine.
Same with all other things like crystals and philosopher stones.
The value of a Siege Master Guide and the Value of a Crystal are inherently already interlocked as you need Skill Points to buy them. They can simple choose to remove that buying proces, or you use a different currency. As long as they use the same rate it’s all fine. In the end, you get the same result.

Or in other words, I don’t think they are going to change in value.

Brown Fang Thump.9482:

Does anyone else see my perceived problem here?

I see you perceive a problem. I don’t see that there is a problem…yet. The details released to-date are too sparse to draw any conclusions. All we know so far is:

• SPs earned from leveling or challenges can be applied to the new mechanics.
• SPs earned otherwise cannot be.

It’s not clear what will happen to a player with 8+ characters at L80, one with 100% map completion. Will they be able to unlock everything outside of area-specific masteries? Will they need to go back to old content (like the ‘new’ trait system required)?

It’s even hard to say what would be ‘fair’ or what would be best for the game. It’s reasonable to ask questions about the details, but I don’t think it’s reasonable to accuse ANet of taking stuff away from us. Not yet, anyhow.

tl;dr too soon to speculate about “lost” anything.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

I don’t see that there is a problem…yet. The details released to-date are too sparse to draw any conclusions.

That.

They might streamline the MF currencies. Turn them into a single currency (perhaps even redesign the MF interface and make it an actual currency and not a bank clogging set of items).

Zania.8461:

They might streamline the MF currencies. Turn them into a single currency (perhaps even redesign the MF interface and make it an actual currency and not a bank clogging set of items).

Yeah, instead of SP, everything now costs GOLD.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they are doing this to create even more goldsinks into the game, especially for Legendaries.

eekzie.5640:

I’m thinking it’s a huge overreaction and it’s not that big of deal.

Admittedly, I do think this may be the case; but, as I said in the OP: I don’t trust Anet to make equitable decisions about player rewards anymore; so, my opinions are tainted by that.

The amount of information currently available is sparse. I simply felt a visceral desire to react immediately (which may be unwise at times, I know).

My greatest concern is the apparent lack of vision and foresight that would allow such general information to be released without expecting wild reactions and speculation.

The major difference between an MMO and a single player game, and the reason why I started playing MMOs in the first place, is that the game changes over time. SPGs can have a few bugfixes and a little DLC to add to the experience, but unless there is a significant number of player-created addons like Baldur’s Gate or Skyrim has had over the years, most SPGs eventually run out of interesting things to do.

The downside is that not all changes to an MMO are going to be to your liking. It’s in the devs’ best interest to make changes that keep their players happy, but every change they make is going to make some aspect of the game unfun for someone. And every part of the game they leave alone is also making the game unfun for someone, there is simply no way to please everyone. So they try to make sure that the game is as fun as possible for the greatest number of people.

Sometimes you’re going to be part of that majority that like whatever they changed/kept, and sometimes you’re going to be one of the few who are disappointed that something was/was not changed.

tolunart.2095:

The major difference between an MMO and a single player game, and the reason why I started playing MMOs in the first place, is that the game changes over time.

There are different kinds of changes. An MMO can change because new stuff is added that shakes things up, or an MMO can change because old things are dismantled and replaced with something else.

Sometimes you’re going to be part of that majority that like whatever they changed/kept, and sometimes you’re going to be one of the few who are disappointed that something was/was not changed.

True. And as customers, we should express our views whichever side we end up on. A complaining customer is better than a former customer.

‘’Old skill points in excess of those earned by leveling and skill challenges will be converted into crafting materials for the Mystic Forge. Items and activities that were previously repeatable sources of skill points will now also provide that same crafting material.’’

From what I can tell. We only gonna have enough skill point to unlock our skills. If you already unlocked all your skill then skill point shouldn’t be an issue anymore.

Every other skill point you have and will earn will be transform into a new crafting material for the mystic forge. It just seem that they make a division between skill point that you use to unlock skills and skill point you use in recipe. You won’t lose anything, they just gonna change the name and the icon, in the end everything will be the same. The only difference is that a recipe that need 50 skill points now, will cost 50 ‘’insert a name here’’.

Gibson.4036:

tolunart.2095:

The major difference between an MMO and a single player game, and the reason why I started playing MMOs in the first place, is that the game changes over time.

There are different kinds of changes. An MMO can change because new stuff is added that shakes things up, or an MMO can change because old things are dismantled and replaced with something else.

Sometimes you’re going to be part of that majority that like whatever they changed/kept, and sometimes you’re going to be one of the few who are disappointed that something was/was not changed.

True. And as customers, we should express our views whichever side we end up on. A complaining customer is better than a former customer.

Both kinds of changes are common in MMOs, and both can be good or bad from an individual’s point of view. By signing up to play an MMO, you are accepting that these things will happen occasionally, and generally speaking you don’t get to choose what changes happen to the game, only your reaction to those changes.

Expressing an opinion is fine, collecting feedback about changes is an important part of planning the future of the game, and unpopular changes can be adjusted or reversed. But not without good reason. The forums are a collecting point for disappointed customers and experienced players who are already used to doing things a certain way. Their complaints do not reflect how many players enjoy the new content or changes to existing systems, and tend towards extremes of entitlement and hyperbole.

The devs have access to far more detailed information about how people play the game than any player, no matter how many “me too” posts you point to or how many guildies quit the game because “they changed it now it sucks.” Real data guides their actions, not hyperbolic complaints from someone who is personally affected by the latest updates and assumes that he speaks for the player base in general.

There’s going to be literally no change. As-is you either spend skill points on unlocking skills, or on the mystic forge. They’re separating the two, and you’ll be credited for both categories. It’s only a matter of logistics (new skill point currency instead of mystic forge items purchased with skill points.)

How are unused skill points even close to a “reward”? They are a currency. Yes, they are worth gold if you wish to take the time to convert them (and to get a decent conversion it IS a lot of clicking work). Once you buy all the skills an Traits you need, their immediate usefulness is gone. This is demonstrated by most players having several characters with hundreds of points just sitting there doing absolutely nothing.

Now it remains to be seen if it will be more adventitious to spend them all prior to the update conversion, but Anet is basically forcing us all to spend them in one way or another and until skill points are spent, they are a currency, not a reward.

Semantics aside, I see this as a potential positive change, but it does bear some scrutiny, but not a blind assumption that it’s Anet forcing you to “loose” something (that is likely not being properly utilized to begin with).

(and to get a decent conversion it IS a lot of clicking work)

Or you could just go to this website.

http://gw2sp2g.herokuapp.com

Brown Fang Thump.9482:

it seems that Arena Net has chosen again to convert rewards that players have earned in the game into something else that may be useless, depending on how a person plays the game, this time by converting skill points into mystic forge materials.

As apposed to doing what with them? What does one do with extra skill points… oh yes you use them to buy mystic forge materials. So I’m not understanding the complaint.

there si ONE problem NOONE said anything:

the materials that are needed for the mystic forge HAVE NO MATEERIAL BANK SLOT.
means that with the sudden materials you get for your scrolls AND allready gathered SPs you have more stuff in your bank you DONt need and can not sell.

ShroomOneUp.6913:

there si ONE problem NOONE said anything:

the materials that are needed for the mystic forge HAVE NO MATEERIAL BANK SLOT.
means that with the sudden materials you get for your scrolls AND allready gathered SPs you have more stuff in your bank you DONt need and can not sell.

We don’t know they’re not adding one. They did for quartz, sprockets, toxic spores, and ambrite. They may for this as well. It is still my hope they make it a freaking currency and just add it to the wallet.

Right now though it’s too early to freak out about it.

Though given the track record of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, it’s understandable why people would be nervous.

Thaddeus.4891:

‘’Old skill points in excess of those earned by leveling and skill challenges will be converted into crafting materials for the Mystic Forge. Items and activities that were previously repeatable sources of skill points will now also provide that same crafting material.’’

From what I can tell. We only gonna have enough skill point to unlock our skills. If you already unlocked all your skill then skill point shouldn’t be an issue anymore.

Every other skill point you have and will earn will be transform into a new crafting material for the mystic forge. It just seem that they make a division between skill point that you use to unlock skills and skill point you use in recipe. You won’t lose anything, they just gonna change the name and the icon, in the end everything will be the same. The only difference is that a recipe that need 50 skill points now, will cost 50 ‘’insert a name here’’.

That would be the major issue. If currently unlocked skills/traits remain as they are regardless of how you got the currency to unlock them then I don’t think there will be any issue.

If on the other hand the game decides to refund all SP cost for your unlocked skills/traits and then give back a number of hero points equal to the number of completed challenges then there will definitely be issues(not for me though, working on 100% on last character :P).

Its not even a change, other than the name. Once you have unlocked your skills, what do you do with your excess skill points? You either hoard them or spend them in the Mystic Forge.

With the expansion, the excess skill points will get a new name and you can do what with them? Spend them in the Mystic Forge, just as always.

Skill points can be used to:

• Buy skills; this is being changed, they will no longer be needed for this function
• Buy traits; this is being changed, they will no longer be needed for this function
• Buy MF mats

It looks like MF mats are all that’s left once the changes hit. What am I missing?

I will say this, if you’re inclined toward a specific MF mat, I’d think about buying them before the changes come, as I’ve seen no guarantees we’ll get a choice.

When they implemented the Wardrobe, they converted existing transmutation stones into the new transmutation currency. What they didn’t really tell you was that it took three stones to get one of the new transmutation things. I’ve got like 1 or 2 transmutation stones still in my inventory to remind me of how not having multiples of three kittened me over.

I really hope there’s a 1 to 1 exchange at least.

Chaba.5410:

When they implemented the Wardrobe, they converted existing transmutation stones into the new transmutation currency. What they didn’t really tell you was that it took three stones to get one of the new transmutation things. I’ve got like 1 or 2 transmutation stones still in my inventory to remind me of how not having multiples of three kittened me over.

I really hope there’s a 1 to 1 exchange at least.

On the other hand if you only have lv80 characters the transmutation stones were previously completely useless.