IT’S A SWORD. THEY’RE NOT MEANT TO BE SAFE.
What's up with the communitys impatience?
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Remove CoF.
/problemsolved
Wouldn’t it be a kick if it was that easy.
Sadly, the entitled, self-focused behavior is not limited to locations in game.
It’s a choice. It’s a value. And a lack of understanding that other players may not embrace/support/ascribe to the same choice/values.
Is the Bartle test so outdated that no one understands there are multiple types of gaming personalities that exist in this game? (Explorer/Achiever/Killer/Social).
BG: 52 alts, 29 lvl 80’s. They all look good, so I am done with the game: Oct 2014
So my guild isn’t part of the community. There’s 115 people in my guild who don’t act like that. There’s a very VISIBLE percentage of the community that do and I still believe they’re the minority.
If you go onto LFG.com and put an add up for a casual dungeon group, you’ll get casual players. There are more of them than you think. If you join a casual guild, you’ll find casual players. Why does it seem there are so many speed runners?
Because these guys run dungeons over and over and over again, where as my guild runs this one once, that one once, the other one once. In other words, in the time these guys do 12 dungeon runs, we’ve done one or two. So it seems like there are a lot of them. But it’s the same few elitists over and over again, who by percentage don’t make up the bulk of the community.
In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if more than half the players in this game have never done a dungeon.
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Well the proof is in the pudding, I challenge you to try and watch all cutscenes in a group formed by Gw2lfg.com (I never watch them by the way) in 10 mutually independent groups, or go afk for 2 minutes, or be completely clueless in a fractal.
Don’t let it be your guildmates either, or the effect would be lost.
Just put in your ads watching cut scenes. It’s pretty simple. Then people who don’t mind will party with you. I’m not seeing this as the end of the world. Some people don’t want to watch cut scenes and some people do. But I think the percentage isn’t as skewed as you think it is.
That said, the game is almost a year old now and the majority of people still playing have seen the cutscenes already. They get boring after 20 times, really.
Right, but you can skip them and wait for some newbie who’s never seen them, simple because it’s the decent thing to do. It’s pro community. I’m always happy to sit there and let someone else experience the game, because once I did that too.
Maybe if more people felt this way this thread wouldn’t even exist.
Well the proof is in the pudding, I challenge you to try and watch all cutscenes in a group formed by Gw2lfg.com (I never watch them by the way) in 10 mutually independent groups, or go afk for 2 minutes, or be completely clueless in a fractal.
I have done those, except for the AFK part. In some situations I have not watched the cutscenes, but others have.
I do not AFK during dungeons because I prefer to show more respect for others in my group.
Because time = money.
The quicker you get over a dungeon, the more things you can do, the more rewards you can get, thus the more productive your game time is..If you follow that reasoning, then you should never play a game ever, because you miss out on the money you could be making in a real job.
I have a real job. I work 9hrs a day, weekdays.
Problem?
Look, reality-wise, you know I am right. Most people are looking for efficiency. You’re not the only one affected by being late. There are other people too. This is a MMO – be mindful of the time of others – you could be wasting them.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici
Because time = money.
The quicker you get over a dungeon, the more things you can do, the more rewards you can get, thus the more productive your game time is..If you follow that reasoning, then you should never play a game ever, because you miss out on the money you could be making in a real job.
I have a real job. I work 9hrs a day, weekdays.
Problem?
Look, reality-wise, you know I am right. Most people are looking for efficiency. You’re not the only one affected by being late. There are other people too. This is a MMO – be mindful of the time of others – you could be wasting them.
The thing is, I don’t think most people are looking for efficiency. I’m not even sure that most people that run dungeons are looking for efficiency, but I think efficiency is secondary to most people. Most people don’t know what a meta even is.
Because time = money.
The quicker you get over a dungeon, the more things you can do, the more rewards you can get, thus the more productive your game time is..If you follow that reasoning, then you should never play a game ever, because you miss out on the money you could be making in a real job.
I have a real job. I work 9hrs a day, weekdays.
Problem?
Look, reality-wise, you know I am right. Most people are looking for efficiency. You’re not the only one affected by being late. There are other people too. This is a MMO – be mindful of the time of others – you could be wasting them.
The thing is, I don’t think most people are looking for efficiency. I’m not even sure that most people that run dungeons are looking for efficiency, but I think efficiency is secondary to most people. Most people don’t know what a meta even is.
Hmm, then I don’t know why before the dungeon reward revamp – most CoF runners in gw2lfg.com are looking for zerkers.
I also don’t know why zerkers are the most used armor in game pve-wise (hey, you can’t argue with that – it’s a fact).
I also don’t know why people are usually looking for “experienced only” when running dungeons.
Cheers!
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici
Because time = money.
The quicker you get over a dungeon, the more things you can do, the more rewards you can get, thus the more productive your game time is..If you follow that reasoning, then you should never play a game ever, because you miss out on the money you could be making in a real job.
I have a real job. I work 9hrs a day, weekdays.
Problem?
Look, reality-wise, you know I am right. Most people are looking for efficiency. You’re not the only one affected by being late. There are other people too. This is a MMO – be mindful of the time of others – you could be wasting them.
The thing is, I don’t think most people are looking for efficiency. I’m not even sure that most people that run dungeons are looking for efficiency, but I think efficiency is secondary to most people. Most people don’t know what a meta even is.
Hmm, then I don’t know why before the dungeon reward revamp – most CoF runners in gw2lfg.com are looking for zerkers.
I also don’t know why zerkers are the most used armor in game pve-wise (hey, you can’t argue with that – it’s a fact).
I also don’t know why people are usually looking for “experienced only” when running dungeons.
Cheers!
First you’re making the assumption that most dungeon runners use LFG.com. I’m not sure that’s true. There are people who LFG in game, people who play only with a guild. The problem is, you have a lack of data because people who do use LFG.com use it over and over and over again. There’s no telling how many people are actually using it by number, only the number of times it’s used.
Now as to why people ask for zerker…you can ask for something and be completely unaware of the meta. Do you know how many people just copy other people without even knowing why? In my years playing MMOs, I’ve seen plenty of people copy builds from websites without the slightest understanding of why that build is good or bad. It’s just what everyone else does.
Do humans copy what other people are doing? Sure. Do they necessarily understand why others are doing it?
I’ll leave each person to answer that question themselves.
LEEEEEEERRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!
Because time = money.
The quicker you get over a dungeon, the more things you can do, the more rewards you can get, thus the more productive your game time is..If you follow that reasoning, then you should never play a game ever, because you miss out on the money you could be making in a real job.
I have a real job. I work 9hrs a day, weekdays.
Problem?
Look, reality-wise, you know I am right. Most people are looking for efficiency. You’re not the only one affected by being late. There are other people too. This is a MMO – be mindful of the time of others – you could be wasting them.
The thing is, I don’t think most people are looking for efficiency. I’m not even sure that most people that run dungeons are looking for efficiency, but I think efficiency is secondary to most people. Most people don’t know what a meta even is.
I cannot disagree, but consider that even if you (not you specifically) are not looking for efficiency you may not enjoy having someone else decide to waste your time.
I was in line at the local drugstore a couple days ago. The woman ahead of me in line had her purchase scanned at the checkout stand and right in the middle of pulling out her wallet answered her phone. She turned her back on the clerk and ignored his requests that she finish paying for her merchandise. When he mentioned cancelling the transaction so that he could help the next customer (me) she moved in closer to the counter, blocking it in such a way that I could not have checked out even if the clerk had followed through on cancelling the transaction. I was certainly not looking for any sort of efficiency when I went in to pick up a package of bathroom tissue, but I certainly did not enjoy standing behind the woman on her phone for nearly ten minutes.
I should mention they’ve done polls in the past in other games, and usually, the people running dungeons regularly are a relatively small part of the population. Most people who run dungeons have no idea how people can play WoW and not care about dungeons, but there are a whole lot of people playing that don’t group at all, in addition to people who PvP and don’t do dungeons and people who just prefer open world content.
I believe the dungeon running crowd is pretty small compared to the overall population.
Because time = money.
The quicker you get over a dungeon, the more things you can do, the more rewards you can get, thus the more productive your game time is..If you follow that reasoning, then you should never play a game ever, because you miss out on the money you could be making in a real job.
I have a real job. I work 9hrs a day, weekdays.
Problem?
Look, reality-wise, you know I am right. Most people are looking for efficiency. You’re not the only one affected by being late. There are other people too. This is a MMO – be mindful of the time of others – you could be wasting them.
The thing is, I don’t think most people are looking for efficiency. I’m not even sure that most people that run dungeons are looking for efficiency, but I think efficiency is secondary to most people. Most people don’t know what a meta even is.
Hmm, then I don’t know why before the dungeon reward revamp – most CoF runners in gw2lfg.com are looking for zerkers.
I also don’t know why zerkers are the most used armor in game pve-wise (hey, you can’t argue with that – it’s a fact).
I also don’t know why people are usually looking for “experienced only” when running dungeons.
Cheers!
First you’re making the assumption that most dungeon runners use LFG.com. I’m not sure that’s true. There are people who LFG in game, people who play only with a guild. The problem is, you have a lack of data because people who do use LFG.com use it over and over and over again. There’s no telling how many people are actually using it by number, only the number of times it’s used.
Now as to why people ask for zerker…you can ask for something and be completely unaware of the meta. Do you know how many people just copy other people without even knowing why? In my years playing MMOs, I’ve seen plenty of people copy builds from websites without the slightest understanding of why that build is good or bad. It’s just what everyone else does.
Do humans copy what other people are doing? Sure. Do they necessarily understand why others are doing it?
I’ll leave each person to answer that question themselves.
And you have the data?
Atleast I have some solid source. What makes you think that those people who doesn’t look at gw2lfg doesn’t use zerker items as well?
And why do people copy builds? Because it’s the most effective to date. It’s efficient. They don’t need to understand as long as it works.
Vayne come on, you’ve been playing guildwars like every hour. Don’t tell me you haven’t observed the trend for the past few months.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici
LEEEEEEERRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!
I’ll just assume you mean KIIIIIILLROOOOOY STOOOONEKIIIIIN!!!!!
IT’S A SWORD. THEY’RE NOT MEANT TO BE SAFE.
Just put in your ads watching cut scenes. It’s pretty simple. Then people who don’t mind will party with you. I’m not seeing this as the end of the world. Some people don’t want to watch cut scenes and some people do. But I think the percentage isn’t as skewed as you think it is.
You’re missing the point: the point is to test the patience of your fellow group members in a testable setting.
I have no interest in cut scenes, but I am mindful when somebody is watching them for the first time. Not many others share this sentiment.
Step outside of your circle and prove me wrong.
I have a real job. I work 9hrs a day, weekdays.
Problem?
Look, reality-wise, you know I am right. Most people are looking for efficiency. You’re not the only one affected by being late. There are other people too. This is a MMO – be mindful of the time of others – you could be wasting them.
Is your job not challenging enough that you have to carry over the same (if not greater) intensity into an online game with no monetary reward?
I have a real job. I work 9hrs a day, weekdays.
Problem?
Look, reality-wise, you know I am right. Most people are looking for efficiency. You’re not the only one affected by being late. There are other people too. This is a MMO – be mindful of the time of others – you could be wasting them.
Is your job not challenging enough that you have to carry over the same (if not greater) intensity into an online game with no monetary reward?
I’m a programmer and yes, it becomes boring after 3 years.
Why are we talking about my job anyways?
Back to topic – again, you are interacting with people. If you want patient people, you should have started your own group asking for a friendly, casual run.
I’m sure there are people with mindset like yours in-game.
Also, people play differently. Again – this is a MMO – you get to interact with people. Some people play for fun, some people play for reward – deal with it.. It doesn’t matter if they have jobs iRL (you might bring that argument again) – the point is, they have different play style.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici
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I have a real job. I work 9hrs a day, weekdays.
Problem?
Look, reality-wise, you know I am right. Most people are looking for efficiency. You’re not the only one affected by being late. There are other people too. This is a MMO – be mindful of the time of others – you could be wasting them.
Is your job not challenging enough that you have to carry over the same (if not greater) intensity into an online game with no monetary reward?
I’m a programmer and yes, it becomes boring after 3 years.
Why are we talking about my job anyways?
Back to topic – again, you are interacting with people. If you want patient people, you should have started your own group asking for a friendly, casual run.
I’m sure there are people with mindset like yours in-game.
Also, people play differently. Again – this is a MMO – you get to interact with people. Some people play for fun, some people play for reward – deal with it.. It doesn’t matter if they have jobs iRL (you might bring that argument again) – the point is, they have different play style.
And why don’t we turn this around. Don’t assume a group is automatically a speedrun group. You want speedrun make your own group. You join someone else’s group show some patience when it takes a bit longer.
Welcome to my pain OP, such reasons are exactly why I typically don’t like to ‘socialize’ in what should be a social game. Patience is a virtue that it seems the great majority of the world lacks in these modern times….like booting someone because they didn’t load fast enough, not that the person has any control over that….
Anyway, lack of patience is prevalent in society. Everything is about how fast you can get it done, not just in the game. We have ‘fast food’ because we’re in a hurry and can’t be bothered to stop for a real meal. We have ‘fast lanes’ at the grocery store because its just so much quicker to scan and bag it ourselves. Toro lawn mowers advertise that they can reduce your lawn care time by 40%. Sitting in traffic, and the light turns green, if the person at the front doesn’t move immediately people are blaring their horns. Maid services in my area have blossomed everywhere, because people can’t be bothered to clean their own homes…it cuts into their precious time.
Its these things, this ‘must go top speed, dont slow down’ mentality that feeds the speed clear sickness, and other ‘must be 100% efficient, no minute to waste, time is money’ mentalities. Yes, for some people optimization and efficiency are fun; however, I’d say for most people its probably not. I know I don’t like feeling rushed all the time. I don’t play the game to ‘work’ and yet, this is exactly how so many treat it….like a job, not like a game at all. Like they need to get to the next shiny as fast as they possibly can, before anyone else can. It sad really, but since the root of the problem lies outside the game, its not something that can just be fixed within it.
Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.
I have a real job. I work 9hrs a day, weekdays.
Problem?
Look, reality-wise, you know I am right. Most people are looking for efficiency. You’re not the only one affected by being late. There are other people too. This is a MMO – be mindful of the time of others – you could be wasting them.
Is your job not challenging enough that you have to carry over the same (if not greater) intensity into an online game with no monetary reward?
I’m a programmer and yes, it becomes boring after 3 years.
Why are we talking about my job anyways?
Back to topic – again, you are interacting with people. If you want patient people, you should have started your own group asking for a friendly, casual run.
I’m sure there are people with mindset like yours in-game.
Also, people play differently. Again – this is a MMO – you get to interact with people. Some people play for fun, some people play for reward – deal with it.. It doesn’t matter if they have jobs iRL (you might bring that argument again) – the point is, they have different play style.
And why don’t we turn this around. Don’t assume a group is automatically a speedrun group. You want speedrun make your own group. You join someone else’s group show some patience when it takes a bit longer.
Except we can’t in OP’s case.
They clearly wanted to start. OP is late. Valid excuse or not, point is, he’s late. He’s dragging the minutes down if they waited for him.
OP should have just let them run it and join them and accept the fact he’s late – or if he really don’t like that gameplay – quit, then create a new group that runs casually. There really is no point complaining how majority of the group wanted to run the dungeon. (And if by chance OP saw something illegal, feel free to report the group)
Please don’t get me wrong – I am one of the players who usually waits fair amount of time. But, before ranting, be objective. Try to see what’s on the other side. Try to see their side of the story.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici
A group meeting at a dungeon is as classic as an RPG gets. GW2 has that and it’s good. Starting early is fine, if a member is lagging behind. Clear some trash, chit-chat and so forth.
A group speedrunning a dungeon, is game breaking if it’s allowed. GW2 has this and it’s kitten. A group that freaks out and starts flaming over someone doing anything ‘wrong’ (watch a cutscene, do a quest, not ‘zerker) is even worse and defines ’toxic’.
Because time = money.
The quicker you get over a dungeon, the more things you can do, the more rewards you can get, thus the more productive your game time is..If you follow that reasoning, then you should never play a game ever, because you miss out on the money you could be making in a real job.
I have a real job. I work 9hrs a day, weekdays.
Problem?
Look, reality-wise, you know I am right. Most people are looking for efficiency. You’re not the only one affected by being late. There are other people too. This is a MMO – be mindful of the time of others – you could be wasting them.
The thing is, I don’t think most people are looking for efficiency. I’m not even sure that most people that run dungeons are looking for efficiency, but I think efficiency is secondary to most people. Most people don’t know what a meta even is.
Hmm, then I don’t know why before the dungeon reward revamp – most CoF runners in gw2lfg.com are looking for zerkers.
I also don’t know why zerkers are the most used armor in game pve-wise (hey, you can’t argue with that – it’s a fact).
I also don’t know why people are usually looking for “experienced only” when running dungeons.
Cheers!
First you’re making the assumption that most dungeon runners use LFG.com. I’m not sure that’s true. There are people who LFG in game, people who play only with a guild. The problem is, you have a lack of data because people who do use LFG.com use it over and over and over again. There’s no telling how many people are actually using it by number, only the number of times it’s used.
Now as to why people ask for zerker…you can ask for something and be completely unaware of the meta. Do you know how many people just copy other people without even knowing why? In my years playing MMOs, I’ve seen plenty of people copy builds from websites without the slightest understanding of why that build is good or bad. It’s just what everyone else does.
Do humans copy what other people are doing? Sure. Do they necessarily understand why others are doing it?
I’ll leave each person to answer that question themselves.
And you have the data?
Atleast I have some solid source. What makes you think that those people who doesn’t look at gw2lfg doesn’t use zerker items as well?
And why do people copy builds? Because it’s the most effective to date. It’s efficient. They don’t need to understand as long as it works.
Vayne come on, you’ve been playing guildwars like every hour. Don’t tell me you haven’t observed the trend for the past few months.
I’ve observed the trend in Guild Wars 2 and I’ve observed the same trend in just about every MMO and I still say the majority of players simply don’t care about dungeons. And I don’t have the data that’s why I use words like “I’m not sure that’s true” and “I believe.” Only Anet has the data.
But that doesn’t stop me from believing that those that do dungeons aren’t the biggest share of the pie, and I don’t believe they ever have been.
But you look at a place like gw2lfg.com and the only people posting there, or the largest majority is dungeon runners. Just like you go to Orr and all you see are tons of farmers. So the farmers are all in the same place at the same time. Everyone else is scattered all over the place.
Who has the data?
But I know from interviews and from stuff devs have said that the solo contingent is far larger than most people realize. That much I do know. At least Scott Hartsman of Rift has said it, and others too in the past.
I hate waiting for slow pokes… I’ve only got so many hours in the day to work with. If I want to knock out CoF, CoE, and Arah in one day, that’s like 4-5 hours realistically if you account for downtime finding groups, selling loot, etc. If I have to wait 5 minutes at the beginning of every one of those paths for a slow poke to load in, (3+3+4)*5 = 50 minutes of wasted time. And let’s be honest, someone at some point is going to afk for 20 minutes in there somewhere. Someone is going to DC. Someone is going to be a moron and wipe us and force us to replace him. All of these things are massive time sinks when you add them up. You have to learn to be impatient if you want to get things done efficiently.
LEEEEEEERRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!
I’ll just assume you mean KIIIIIILLROOOOOY STOOOONEKIIIIIN!!!!!
kilroy was reference to leroy jenkins so im thinking he meant leroy
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Kilroy_Stonekin
look in the trivia section
Because time = money.
The quicker you get over a dungeon, the more things you can do, the more rewards you can get, thus the more productive your game time is..If you follow that reasoning, then you should never play a game ever, because you miss out on the money you could be making in a real job.
I have a real job. I work 9hrs a day, weekdays.
Problem?
Look, reality-wise, you know I am right. Most people are looking for efficiency. You’re not the only one affected by being late. There are other people too. This is a MMO – be mindful of the time of others – you could be wasting them.
The thing is, I don’t think most people are looking for efficiency. I’m not even sure that most people that run dungeons are looking for efficiency, but I think efficiency is secondary to most people. Most people don’t know what a meta even is.
Hmm, then I don’t know why before the dungeon reward revamp – most CoF runners in gw2lfg.com are looking for zerkers.
I also don’t know why zerkers are the most used armor in game pve-wise (hey, you can’t argue with that – it’s a fact).
I also don’t know why people are usually looking for “experienced only” when running dungeons.
Cheers!
First you’re making the assumption that most dungeon runners use LFG.com. I’m not sure that’s true. There are people who LFG in game, people who play only with a guild. The problem is, you have a lack of data because people who do use LFG.com use it over and over and over again. There’s no telling how many people are actually using it by number, only the number of times it’s used.
Now as to why people ask for zerker…you can ask for something and be completely unaware of the meta. Do you know how many people just copy other people without even knowing why? In my years playing MMOs, I’ve seen plenty of people copy builds from websites without the slightest understanding of why that build is good or bad. It’s just what everyone else does.
Do humans copy what other people are doing? Sure. Do they necessarily understand why others are doing it?
I’ll leave each person to answer that question themselves.
And you have the data?
Atleast I have some solid source. What makes you think that those people who doesn’t look at gw2lfg doesn’t use zerker items as well?
And why do people copy builds? Because it’s the most effective to date. It’s efficient. They don’t need to understand as long as it works.
Vayne come on, you’ve been playing guildwars like every hour. Don’t tell me you haven’t observed the trend for the past few months.
I’ve observed the trend in Guild Wars 2 and I’ve observed the same trend in just about every MMO and I still say the majority of players simply don’t care about dungeons. And I don’t have the data that’s why I use words like “I’m not sure that’s true” and “I believe.” Only Anet has the data.
But that doesn’t stop me from believing that those that do dungeons aren’t the biggest share of the pie, and I don’t believe they ever have been.
But you look at a place like gw2lfg.com and the only people posting there, or the largest majority is dungeon runners. Just like you go to Orr and all you see are tons of farmers. So the farmers are all in the same place at the same time. Everyone else is scattered all over the place.
Who has the data?
But I know from interviews and from stuff devs have said that the solo contingent is far larger than most people realize. That much I do know. At least Scott Hartsman of Rift has said it, and others too in the past.
Vayne, we are talking about dungeons here right? Ofcourse I am referencing dungeon runners. And incase I got you confused – my bad, but I meant to imply that dungeon is still under PvE.
You don’t need the data. Just by observing the trend, the posts, the chats, you’ll notice that zerkers are wanted. Why? They can finish dungeon runs faster. Efficiency.
And please see Xenon’s response – it pretty much explains why people would rather begin at the time they enter a dungeon, rather than wait for the latecomer – no offense in the term “latecomer”.
In real life – time is gold. Time is precious. It cannot be replaced. For all people, it’s a finite resource draining and draining every second. Spend it wisely. Don’t let someone waste it.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici
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What this all comes down to is the OP not looking for the proper group.
If you are going to use gw2lfg, then you need to put in your advertisement what you want. If you are new, put down that you are a first timer(or if you are building the group yourself: Put down that new folks are welcome and that this is a learning run).
If you want to watch the cutscenes, put that in your ad.
If you want it to be a nice and casual run without speed-farmers, then put ‘casual’ in your ad.
It’s not hard.
What this all comes down to is the OP not looking for the proper group.
If you are going to use gw2lfg, then you need to put in your advertisement what you want. If you are new, put down that you are a first timer(or if you are building the group yourself: Put down that new folks are welcome and that this is a learning run).
If you want to watch the cutscenes, put that in your ad.
If you want it to be a nice and casual run without speed-farmers, then put ‘casual’ in your ad.
It’s not hard.
Exactly.
As I pointed out – different players, different gameplay.
If they wanted rush and efficient – nothing wrong with it. If they wanted casual/friendly, absolutely nothing wrong with it.
What’s wrong is, you complain about how they play (except if they are doing illegal stuff). If you don’t like a group’s certain playstyle – find/create your own group or deal with it.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici
When the bus arrives i’ll get on that bus. I don’t let the people wait for me just because i forgot something, that’s my problem.
If you want to run a dungeon, you make sure you are at the entrance and you are set to go. Just like you would do at a bus station.
Because time = money.
The quicker you get over a dungeon, the more things you can do, the more rewards you can get, thus the more productive your game time is..If you follow that reasoning, then you should never play a game ever, because you miss out on the money you could be making in a real job.
I have a real job. I work 9hrs a day, weekdays.
Problem?
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Hmm, then I don’t know why before the dungeon reward revamp – most CoF runners in gw2lfg.com are looking for zerkers.
I also don’t know why zerkers are the most used armor in game pve-wise (hey, you can’t argue with that – it’s a fact).
I also don’t know why people are usually looking for “experienced only” when running dungeons.
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First you’re making the assumption that most dungeon runners use LFG.com. I’m not sure that’s true. There are people who LFG in game, people who play only with a guild. The problem is, you have a lack of data because people who do use LFG.com use it over and over and over again. There’s no telling how many people are actually using it by number, only the number of times it’s used.
Now as to why people ask for zerker…you can ask for something and be completely unaware of the meta. Do you know how many people just copy other people without even knowing why? In my years playing MMOs, I’ve seen plenty of people copy builds from websites without the slightest understanding of why that build is good or bad. It’s just what everyone else does.
Do humans copy what other people are doing? Sure. Do they necessarily understand why others are doing it?
I’ll leave each person to answer that question themselves.
And you have the data?
Atleast I have some solid source. What makes you think that those people who doesn’t look at gw2lfg doesn’t use zerker items as well?
And why do people copy builds? Because it’s the most effective to date. It’s efficient. They don’t need to understand as long as it works.
Vayne come on, you’ve been playing guildwars like every hour. Don’t tell me you haven’t observed the trend for the past few months.
I’ve observed the trend in Guild Wars 2 and I’ve observed the same trend in just about every MMO and I still say the majority of players simply don’t care about dungeons. And I don’t have the data that’s why I use words like “I’m not sure that’s true” and “I believe.” Only Anet has the data.
But that doesn’t stop me from believing that those that do dungeons aren’t the biggest share of the pie, and I don’t believe they ever have been.
But you look at a place like gw2lfg.com and the only people posting there, or the largest majority is dungeon runners. Just like you go to Orr and all you see are tons of farmers. So the farmers are all in the same place at the same time. Everyone else is scattered all over the place.
Who has the data?
But I know from interviews and from stuff devs have said that the solo contingent is far larger than most people realize. That much I do know. At least Scott Hartsman of Rift has said it, and others too in the past.
Vayne, we are talking about dungeons here right? Ofcourse I am referencing dungeon runners. And incase I got you confused – my bad, but I meant to imply that dungeon is still under PvE.
You don’t need the data. Just by observing the trend, the posts, the chats, you’ll notice that zerkers are wanted. Why? They can finish dungeon runs faster. Efficiency.
And please see Xenon’s response – it pretty much explains why people would rather begin at the time they enter a dungeon, rather than wait for the latecomer – no offense in the term “latecomer”.
In real life – time is gold. Time is precious. It cannot be replaced. For all people, it’s a finite resource draining and draining every second. Spend it wisely. Don’t let someone waste it.
And you know those posting on LFG.com are most people doing dungeons how? How many guilds are there in Guild Wars 2. How many of them run dungeons? How many of them run dungeons several times a day that never get onto LFG.com
My guild runs dungeons most days. Sometimes several a day. None of us insist on zerkers. Are you saying we’re the only guild like this. Are you sure the majority of people pug?
That’s my question.
Sure the trend with puggers that use that site is that they want efficiency. But what percentage is that of the gaming population? And what percentage of the people who play a zerker warrior ONLY play it to get into groups because a few people are asking for it?
If you don’t like a group’s certain playstyle – find/create your own group or deal with it.
This right here.
I like casual runs so I let it be known on my gw2lfg posts. If you just put up “LFG insert dungeon and path here” that’s not saying a lot, and might increase your PUG groups being less than desirable for the style of run you are looking for.
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And you know those posting on LFG.com are most people doing dungeons how? How many guilds are there in Guild Wars 2. How many of them run dungeons? How many of them run dungeons several times a day that never get onto LFG.com
My guild runs dungeons most days. Sometimes several a day. None of us insist on zerkers. Are you saying we’re the only guild like this. Are you sure the majority of people pug?
That’s my question.
Sure the trend with puggers that use that site is that they want efficiency. But what percentage is that of the gaming population? And what percentage of the people who play a zerker warrior ONLY play it to get into groups because a few people are asking for it?
Ever heard of probability? We take a sample out of all, and use that sample to draw conclusion. It has +/- margin of error, but mostly it is small.
Besides ANet, there is no one on this forum who can call who is majority/minority. That’s why all that’s left for us is probability. We take what sample we have. It may be a little inacurate – but then again, it’s all we have.
I don’t want to elaborate on that anymore, since I already made my point, plus we are derailing the topic. I just used zerkers as an example of efficiency on why most people tend not to wait if you are late.
I’ll be the bigger man, I’ve seen your threads and I am not a fan of making 10+ page trying to validate/defend an obvious point – I’m past that stage. I’ll just say maybe we could agree to disagree on this off-topic.
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I agree with the general idea that you advertise for what you want, and you pick teams that fit with your playstyle.
But having said that … when I used to play CoH, and lead teams, I took the responsibility upon myself to keep the team informed, to keep everyone co-ordinated, etc., etc., and if it was clear someone was not fitting in, to get a quick discussion going about it so that everything was fair. One can’t assume anything. e.g., you might be on a speed run and there’s a newbie, but he’s entertaining in chat, or his antics are amusing, so the team decides to keep going even though it’s a wee bit slower. It happens sometimes.
I’m not saying the leader should keep team chat constantly filled with updates, but he should definitely be aware of the team as a team, and have an overview of what’s going on, and be prepared to say key things at certain times.
That seems to be a lost art these days, and leaders are just the player who happens to have the right to kick.
I blame automated dungeon finders.
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