Guild Wars 2

I am a little confused. A lot of people talk about how promises were made in the manifesto that were not kept. I just watched the manifesto and in that video I didn’t hear any promises that aren’t in the game.

“everything you love about GW1” subjective so that is an impossible promise.

“we just don’t want players to grind” that’s true, Anet doesn’t want players to grind, doesn’t mean that there won’t be some artificial grind created by the player.

Dynamic events do create a sense of a living environment. you complete the event then it may chain off, you leave the area , an event that could be defended is failed and everything goes back to the beginning chain.

So basically 1 promise was made that was impossible to keep. What I loved about GW1?
Guild Halls. GvG. Fort Aspenwood, Jade Quarry. PvP before it got dumbed down with less modes to play. Secondary professions. Great weapon skins. Ease of travel. Intellectual combat meaning choosing skills and knowing when to use them. Lockpicks! Huge open areas that were only open to me/instanced to go through and vanquish.

Basically it is a kittenildish to think that the manifesto made any promises that could be kept because there really weren’t any promises at all. The manifesto did do a good job of describing what kind of content you will be doing though.

BTW I never felt like I was grinding while playing GW2. The second I would feel like something would be a grind I would just find some other way to get what I wanted and enjoy doing it. Grinding to me is something you don’t want to do but have to get something you want fast.

A lot of the statements people read too far into them.

No one, apart from a handful of soapbox-toting forum warriors, gives two kittens about the manifesto. They promised stuff. We got some, didn’t get others and quite a lot is open to debate. It’s all behind us now.

Heart of Thorns, baby!

Jahroots.6791:

No one, apart from a handful of soapbox-toting forum warriors, gives two kittens about the manifesto. They promised stuff. We got some, didn’t get others and quite a lot is open to debate. It’s all behind us now.

Heart of Thorns, baby!

This.

Jahroots.6791:

No one, apart from a handful of soapbox-toting forum warriors, gives two kittens about the manifesto. They promised stuff. We got some, didn’t get others and quite a lot is open to debate. It’s all behind us now.

Heart of Thorns, baby!

Completely agree!

It’s mostly people disliking changes they’ve made to the game and attempting to shoe-horn that into the Manifesto to give their complaints legitimacy. For example:

“I don’t like this!”
“That’s just how Guild Wars 2 works, go play another game.”

Versus:

“I don’t like this and ArenaNet is even breaking their own rules!”
“Now I have to choose whether to defend an idealistic, pre-release Guild Wars 2 or a Guild Wars 2 which has been available and needs to actually sell copies and gem store items to succeed…. crap.”

“No operation extends with any certainty beyond the first encounter with the main body of the enemy.”

• Helmuth Von Moltke.

Regardless of wether or not the manifesto constituted a social contract with prospective players, regardless of what vows were or weren’t made, of what promises were or weren’t broken, the manifesto should be considered utterly obsolete.

We are now well over two years into Guild War 2’s lifespan. We know what kind of content they’re liable to produce: we’ve seen what happens when they’re reacting to something they didn’t expect, and we’ve seen what kind of content they make when they’ve planned ahead.

That experience is a quadrillion times more useful/effective in determining what GW2 will look like, and probably will continue to look like in the future.

In short, horrifically antiquated videos/interviews are horifically antiquated.

And before anyone starts in with that “false advertising” rabble rousing again, this game has been out for over two years. People who are buying the game know what it is they’re getting.

Who is giving a kitten kitten about the manifesto still? Collin stated about half a year ago that the manifesto was a big mistake, as they were talking about ideas that turned out to be not realisable. Yet, the community nailed them down on each single word they stated back than.

That’s why they abandonned the manifesto kind of and stopped their road ahead blog posts and followed a “it’s done when it’s done” policy and issue information only if they are 100% sure they will release something.

Get over it…

It’s the problem with talking about things that have not entered development or are only in early stages, things are subject to change as things don’t always go as planned. It’s really why they don’t communicate things in early stages anymore.

The haters have to find some justification to sling their venom, don’t they?
Well some do, anyway… Other just do it because they can. :p

It’s something they said back in the days when they were young and naive, before they realized that every word would be scrutinized, considered to be a verbal contract, and then taken out of context and twisted around to support the argument De jour.

The only thing I can see promised in the Manifesto, is that GW2 will be a game set in the world of Tyria and share the same history as GW1. It looks like they fulfilled that promise VERY well.

manifesto =/= promise